:: Who brought AlQuraan/AlKitaab? Muhammed? NO!!! ::
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Salaam,
I was wondering who brought AlQuraan/AlKitaab, but could not find any answer from AlQuraan till now. But Allah has shown me something just now, lets take a look at it.
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6940 Indeed, it is surely a speech of a noble Messenger.8119
8119 Indeed, it is surely a speech of a noble Messenger.Who is this Rasoolin Kareem ?
Some say, he is Jibraeel - There is no evidence from AlQuraan that Jibraeel is a Rasoolin Kareem.
Some say, he is Muhammed - There is no evidence from AlQuraan that Muhammed is a Rasoolin Kareem.
No other choice left. But no body ever think, whom Allah called a Rasoolin Kareem. Can you guess? Try!! OK! Please check 4417
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4417 And We had already tried before them the people of Pharaoh, and there came to them a noble messenger.A Noble Messenger is with "M", that is not Muhammed, not Me either but that is Musa. This is only messenger called Rasoolin Kareem in AlQuraan.
Lets try it out the other way, inshaAllah.
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7144 He said, "O Musa, I have chosen you over the people with My messages and My speaking. So hold what I have given you and be among the grateful."7145
7145 And We wrote for him on the tablets of all things - instruction and explanation for all things, "Hold them strongly and order your people to take the best of it. I will show you the home of the defiantly disobedient."Please note the last part of 7145 i.e., "sa-uooreeKUM" referring to YOU all not them. Why?
I think because AlQuraan/AlKitaab is the Book given to Musa in writing, which shows that it was not written down by any human as said in 7145 nor markings was put by any wicked non-believing king. Those are surely made up stories.
Please note This is my personal understanding, please do check all the aayaats quoted before you accept anything.
May Allah increase us in knowledge and guide us to His true path pr
mmKhan -
One should not draw such conclusions without having first completely studied the subject or having confidence that what is understood is correctly understood in the light of Arabic language and other references.
However perhaps Qur'aan is the only book about which even otherwise most idiots of the world keep commenting and talking that it means this and that. Otherwise idiots are not allowed to comment about any other book of world.
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Peace Mazhar.
Your post seem to portrait "arrogance".
You keep reading in your Qoran that GOD ALONE teaches/explains/helps the sincere understand HIS words, yet you seem to think that only"certain types" understand it.
Only GOD decides , not you , me or anyone else.
As for this forum, everyone is entitled to their own opinion without risking being called" idiots" by you or anyone else.If you want to correct others , do it with knowledge, kindness and understanding
May the Lord grant you and us more patience.
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Thank you for your clarification Mazhar.
Peace.
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I always thought that Moses (Moshe) was the very first, and surely the greatest messenger of all!
He certainly spoke to God and God gave him tablets of the 10 commandments!
Even Jesus confirms this, when he said that we should all do as written in Moses' law, and that even the earth and the heavens will pass , but not one single iota of the Torah will pass!!!
Certainly, Quran is the confirmation and clarification of the Torah, there isn't much new in it.
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Thank you for your clarification Mazhar.
Peace.
Thanks good logic. Now you will start finding similar to what I said
However perhaps Qur'aan is the only book about which even otherwise most idiots of the world keep commenting and talking that it means this and that. Otherwise idiots are not allowed to comment about any other book of world.
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Salaam,
I was wondering who brought AlQuraan/AlKitaab, but could not find any answer from AlQuraan till now. But Allah has shown me something just now, lets take a look at it.
6940
6940 Indeed, it is surely a speech of a noble Messenger.8119
8119 Indeed, it is surely a speech of a noble Messenger.Who is this Rasoolin Kareem ?
Some say, he is Jibraeel - There is no evidence from AlQuraan that Jibraeel is a Rasoolin Kareem.
Some say, he is Muhammed - There is no evidence from AlQuraan that Muhammed is a Rasoolin Kareem.
No other choice left. But no body ever think, whom Allah called a Rasoolin Kareem. Can you guess? Try!! OK! Please check 4417
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4417 And We had already tried before them the people of Pharaoh, and there came to them a noble messenger.A Noble Messenger is with "M", that is not Muhammed, not Me either but that is Musa. This is only messenger called Rasoolin Kareem in AlQuraan.
Lets try it out the other way, inshaAllah.
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7144 He said, "O Musa, I have chosen you over the people with My messages and My speaking. So hold what I have given you and be among the grateful."7145
7145 And We wrote for him on the tablets of all things - instruction and explanation for all things, "Hold them strongly and order your people to take the best of it. I will show you the home of the defiantly disobedient."Please note the last part of 7145 i.e., "sa-uooreeKUM" referring to YOU all not them. Why?
I think because AlQuraan/AlKitaab is the Book given to Musa in writing, which shows that it was not written down by any human as said in 7145 nor markings was put by any wicked non-believing king. Those are surely made up stories.
Please note This is my personal understanding, please do check all the aayaats quoted before you accept anything.
May Allah increase us in knowledge and guide us to His true path pr
mmKhancongratu.............on your fine reasoning.
I agree with you, even though others may not.
peace
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Salaam brother,
How do you want to justify this ayaat and 100 other ayaats which happened after he was given the book (think about the stories of Dawoed and Sulayman)?
7150 And when Moses returned to his people, angry and grieved, he said "Miserable is what you have done after I was gone; do you wish to hasten the action of your Lord?" And he cast down the tablets, and took his brother by his head dragging him towards him. He said "Son of my mother, the people overpowered me and nearly killed me, so do not make the enemies rejoice over me, and do not make me with the wicked people."
Salaam,
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Salaam brother,
How do you want to justify this ayaat and 100 other ayaats which happened after he was given the book (think about the stories of Dawoed and Sulayman)?
7150 And when Moses returned to his people, angry and grieved, he said "Miserable is what you have done after I was gone; do you wish to hasten the action of your Lord?" And he cast down the tablets, and took his brother by his head dragging him towards him. He said "Son of my mother, the people overpowered me and nearly killed me, so do not make the enemies rejoice over me, and do not make me with the wicked people."
Salaam,
BenderSalaam brother,
Everything is there in AlQuraan/AlKitaab clearly mentioned but we cannot see it until Allah gives us permission to see. Please take a look at the following aayat and let me know what you think bro.
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738 He said, "Enter among nations which had passed on before you of jinn and mankind into the Fire." Every time a nation enter, it curse its sister until, when they have all overtaken one another therein, the last of them will say about the first of them "Our Lord, these had misled us, so give them a double punishment of the Fire. He said, "For each is double, but you do not know."Qaala = He said , check 230 and see the difference in translation.
Dakhalat = They enter
La'anat = They curse
And also Iddaarakoo, Qaalat, etc... all are maazi - past tense. How?Unfortunately almost all translators think that they are more smarter than Allah, hence they try to correct Allah's mistakes in their translation.
Please take a look at the translations how they try to correct Allah in this aayat, they changed all past tense to future tense.
http//corpus.quran.com/translation.jsp?chapter=7&verse=38And many other aayaats that supports my understanding, such as
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255 And when you said, "O Musa..."261 ...
261 And when you said, "O Musa, we can never endure one food..."And also from 263-65
Why YOU is mentioned in these aayaats? What YOU have to do with Musa? Just think.
May Allah increase us in knowledge and guide us to His true path pr
mmKhan -
And many other aayaats that supports my understanding, such as
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255 And when you said, "O Musa..."261 ...
261 And when you said, "O Musa, we can never endure one food..."And also from 263-65
Why YOU is mentioned in these aayaats? What YOU have to do with Musa? Just think.
is not for bender or mmkahn. It is for Bani Israel who lived with Musa alahissalam. is continuing the discourse with those people reminding them of their past history.
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472 And those who believe and do good works, and believe in what was sent down to Mohammed, for it is the truth from their Lord, He cancels for them their sins, and relieves their concern.
Peace Tlepsh,
Yes of course and also consider the transmission...
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32 The God no deity only He The Living The Sustainer of all
33 descended to you the book in the truth confirming to what between His hands and descended the Taurat and The Injeel297 say who is an enemy to Gabriel so indeed he descended it on your heart by permission The God confirming to what between His hands and guidance and glad tidings to the believers
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472 And those who believe and do good works, and believe in what was sent down to Mohammed, for it is the truth from their Lord, He cancels for them their sins, and relieves their concern.
Dear Tlepsh,
Thank you for the aayat. First of all you have understand what "Nuzilla" means. If you note, Allah never used this word in aayaats that I have quoted in my original post. Do you understand what could be the reason? Please check...
Nuzillah is maazi majhool , why do you think it is not Unazzilu which is muzarey ? As per your say, those who believe and do good works they believe in what was SENT down to Mohammed, that means they believe only after its completion because of Nuzillah. If so, then how they become believers and how they do good works?
Don't get confuse bro. Naazil is not something very special, you can see Naazil of water Naazil of fadhl Naazil of maaida , Naazil of authority , Naazil of rizq , etc. There is nothing HOLY about naazil.
If you are talking about Naazil of aayaats, they are still in progress NOW... yes
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16101 And when We substitute a verse in place of a verse - and Allah is most knowing of what He sends down - they say, "you, are but an inventor." But most of them do not know.-
Substitution of aayat in place of an aayat, to understand it better, how it works, please see 420
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Allah is most knowing of what He sends down , referring to aayaats. Naazil is not referring to new additional aayaats, but it is referring to understanding of aayaats.
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In this case, they say, "you are but an inventor". Allah replies to them "most of them do not know".
Please check the exactly same word unazzilu in 3024 for water. It means, it is continues process, not once and for all.
Hope you understand what I am trying to say, inshaAllah.
May Allah increase us in knowledge and guide us to His true path pr
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Peace Tlepsh,
Yes of course and also consider the transmission...
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32 The God no deity only He The Living The Sustainer of all
33 descended to you the book in the truth confirming to what between His hands and descended the Taurat and The Injeel297 say who is an enemy to Gabriel so indeed he descended it on your heart by permission The God confirming to what between His hands and guidance and glad tidings to the believers
Thanks Noon for the aayaats.
How do you understand 4140?
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4140 And indeed He has SENT DOWN UPON YOU ALL in the Book that when you hear the verses of Allah, they are denied and ridiculed; so do not sit with them until they enter into another conversation. Indeed, you would then be like them. Indeed Allah will gather the hypocrites and disbelievers in Hell all togetherMay Allah increase us in knowledge and guide us to His true path pr
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is not for bender or mmkahn. It is for Bani Israel who lived with Musa alahissalam. is continuing the discourse with those people reminding them of their past history.
I don't see mentioning of Bani Israel in those aayaats. And there is no those and them but YOU.
mmKhan
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I don't see mentioning of Bani Israel in those aayaats. And there is no those and them but YOU.
mmKhan
This shows unawareness about reading Arabic text.
And many other aayaats that supports my understanding, such as
255 ...
255 And when you said, "O Musa..."261 ...
261 And when you said, "O Musa, we can never endure one food..."And also from 263-65
Why YOU is mentioned in these aayaats? What YOU have to do with Musa? Just think.
is a discourse coordinator. is a time adverb, and read English grammar that will also tell what is meant by an adverb. Just see what is the discourse. It is about the point in time when Musa alahissalam and his nation were conversing.
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Thanks Noon for the aayaats.
How do you understand 4140?
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4140 And indeed He has SENT DOWN UPON YOU ALL in the Book that when you hear the verses of Allah, they are denied and ridiculed; so do not sit with them until they enter into another conversation. Indeed, you would then be like them. Indeed Allah will gather the hypocrites and disbelievers in Hell all togetherMay Allah increase us in knowledge and guide us to His true path pr
mmKhanPeace mmKhan, how did we all hear the book -- which source and transmission?
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This shows unawareness about reading Arabic text.
And many other aayaats that supports my understanding, such as
255 ...
255 And when you said, "O Musa..."261 ...
261 And when you said, "O Musa, we can never endure one food..."And also from 263-65
Why YOU is mentioned in these aayaats? What YOU have to do with Musa? Just think.
is a discourse coordinator. is a time adverb, and read English grammar that will also tell what is meant by an adverb. Just see what is the discourse. It is about the point in time when Musa alahissalam and his nation were conversing.
Thank you for your advice for learning English grammar, I will try, inshaAllah. Now,
Allah knows how to say otherwise...
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267 And when Musa said to his people, "Indeed, Allah commands you to slaughter a cow." They said, "Do you take us in ridicule?" He said, "I seek refuge in Allah from being among the ignorant."Look at the construction of this aayat and then compare it with the one in original post.
May Allah increase us in knowledge and guide us to His true path pr
mmKhan