:: Who brought AlQuraan/AlKitaab? Muhammed? NO!!! ::

mmkhan

Salaam brother,

How do you want to justify this ayaat and 100 other ayaats which happened after he was given the book (think about the stories of Dawoed and Sulayman)?

7150 And when Moses returned to his people, angry and grieved, he said "Miserable is what you have done after I was gone; do you wish to hasten the action of your Lord?" And he cast down the tablets, and took his brother by his head dragging him towards him. He said "Son of my mother, the people overpowered me and nearly killed me, so do not make the enemies rejoice over me, and do not make me with the wicked people."

Salaam,
Bender

Salaam brother,

Everything is there in AlQuraan/AlKitaab clearly mentioned but we cannot see it until Allah gives us permission to see. Please take a look at the following aayat and let me know what you think bro.

738
738 He said, "Enter among nations which had passed on before you of jinn and mankind into the Fire." Every time a nation enter, it curse its sister until, when they have all overtaken one another therein, the last of them will say about the first of them "Our Lord, these had misled us, so give them a double punishment of the Fire. He said, "For each is double, but you do not know."

Qaala = He said , check 230 and see the difference in translation.
Dakhalat = They enter
La'anat = They curse
And also Iddaarakoo, Qaalat, etc... all are maazi - past tense. How?

Unfortunately almost all translators think that they are more smarter than Allah, hence they try to correct Allah's mistakes in their translation.

Please take a look at the translations how they try to correct Allah in this aayat, they changed all past tense to future tense.
http//corpus.quran.com/translation.jsp?chapter=7&verse=38

And many other aayaats that supports my understanding, such as

255 ...
255 And when you said, "O Musa..."

261 ...
261 And when you said, "O Musa, we can never endure one food..."

And also from 263-65

Why YOU is mentioned in these aayaats? What YOU have to do with Musa? Just think.

May Allah increase us in knowledge and guide us to His true path pr
mmKhan

Mazhar

And many other aayaats that supports my understanding, such as

255 ...
255 And when you said, "O Musa..."

261 ...
261 And when you said, "O Musa, we can never endure one food..."

And also from 263-65

Why YOU is mentioned in these aayaats? What YOU have to do with Musa? Just think.

is not for bender or mmkahn. It is for Bani Israel who lived with Musa alahissalam. is continuing the discourse with those people reminding them of their past history.

Tlepsh

472 And those who believe and do good works, and believe in what was sent down to Mohammed, for it is the truth from their Lord, He cancels for them their sins, and relieves their concern.

Noon_waalqalami

472 And those who believe and do good works, and believe in what was sent down to Mohammed, for it is the truth from their Lord, He cancels for them their sins, and relieves their concern.

Peace Tlepsh,

Yes of course and also consider the transmission...

31
32 The God no deity only He The Living The Sustainer of all
33 descended to you the book in the truth confirming to what between His hands and descended the Taurat and The Injeel

297 say who is an enemy to Gabriel so indeed he descended it on your heart by permission The God confirming to what between His hands and guidance and glad tidings to the believers

mmkhan

472 And those who believe and do good works, and believe in what was sent down to Mohammed, for it is the truth from their Lord, He cancels for them their sins, and relieves their concern.

Dear Tlepsh,

Thank you for the aayat. First of all you have understand what "Nuzilla" means. If you note, Allah never used this word in aayaats that I have quoted in my original post. Do you understand what could be the reason? Please check...

Nuzillah is maazi majhool , why do you think it is not Unazzilu which is muzarey ? As per your say, those who believe and do good works they believe in what was SENT down to Mohammed, that means they believe only after its completion because of Nuzillah. If so, then how they become believers and how they do good works?

Don't get confuse bro. Naazil is not something very special, you can see Naazil of water Naazil of fadhl Naazil of maaida , Naazil of authority , Naazil of rizq , etc. There is nothing HOLY about naazil.

If you are talking about Naazil of aayaats, they are still in progress NOW... yes

16101
16101 And when We substitute a verse in place of a verse - and Allah is most knowing of what He sends down - they say, "you, are but an inventor." But most of them do not know.

Substitution of aayat in place of an aayat, to understand it better, how it works, please see 420
Allah is most knowing of what He sends down , referring to aayaats. Naazil is not referring to new additional aayaats, but it is referring to understanding of aayaats.
In this case, they say, "you are but an inventor". Allah replies to them "most of them do not know".

Please check the exactly same word unazzilu in 3024 for water. It means, it is continues process, not once and for all.

Hope you understand what I am trying to say, inshaAllah.

May Allah increase us in knowledge and guide us to His true path pr
mmKhan

mmkhan

Peace Tlepsh,

Yes of course and also consider the transmission...

31
32 The God no deity only He The Living The Sustainer of all
33 descended to you the book in the truth confirming to what between His hands and descended the Taurat and The Injeel

297 say who is an enemy to Gabriel so indeed he descended it on your heart by permission The God confirming to what between His hands and guidance and glad tidings to the believers

Thanks Noon for the aayaats.

How do you understand 4140?

4140
4140 And indeed He has SENT DOWN UPON YOU ALL in the Book that when you hear the verses of Allah, they are denied and ridiculed; so do not sit with them until they enter into another conversation. Indeed, you would then be like them. Indeed Allah will gather the hypocrites and disbelievers in Hell all together

May Allah increase us in knowledge and guide us to His true path pr
mmKhan

mmkhan

is not for bender or mmkahn. It is for Bani Israel who lived with Musa alahissalam. is continuing the discourse with those people reminding them of their past history.

I don't see mentioning of Bani Israel in those aayaats. And there is no those and them but YOU.

mmKhan

Mazhar

I don't see mentioning of Bani Israel in those aayaats. And there is no those and them but YOU.

mmKhan

This shows unawareness about reading Arabic text.

And many other aayaats that supports my understanding, such as

255 ...
255 And when you said, "O Musa..."

261 ...
261 And when you said, "O Musa, we can never endure one food..."

And also from 263-65

Why YOU is mentioned in these aayaats? What YOU have to do with Musa? Just think.

is a discourse coordinator. is a time adverb, and read English grammar that will also tell what is meant by an adverb. Just see what is the discourse. It is about the point in time when Musa alahissalam and his nation were conversing.

Noon_waalqalami

Thanks Noon for the aayaats.

How do you understand 4140?

4140
4140 And indeed He has SENT DOWN UPON YOU ALL in the Book that when you hear the verses of Allah, they are denied and ridiculed; so do not sit with them until they enter into another conversation. Indeed, you would then be like them. Indeed Allah will gather the hypocrites and disbelievers in Hell all together

May Allah increase us in knowledge and guide us to His true path pr
mmKhan

Peace mmKhan, how did we all hear the book -- which source and transmission?

mmkhan

This shows unawareness about reading Arabic text.

And many other aayaats that supports my understanding, such as

255 ...
255 And when you said, "O Musa..."

261 ...
261 And when you said, "O Musa, we can never endure one food..."

And also from 263-65

Why YOU is mentioned in these aayaats? What YOU have to do with Musa? Just think.

is a discourse coordinator. is a time adverb, and read English grammar that will also tell what is meant by an adverb. Just see what is the discourse. It is about the point in time when Musa alahissalam and his nation were conversing.

Thank you for your advice for learning English grammar, I will try, inshaAllah. Now,

Allah knows how to say otherwise...

267
267 And when Musa said to his people, "Indeed, Allah commands you to slaughter a cow." They said, "Do you take us in ridicule?" He said, "I seek refuge in Allah from being among the ignorant."

Look at the construction of this aayat and then compare it with the one in original post.

May Allah increase us in knowledge and guide us to His true path pr
mmKhan

mmkhan

Peace mmKhan, how did we all hear the book -- which source and transmission?

Peace brother Noon,

Is it really important? If it is, Allah would have shown us.

I got TheBook from my aunt for the first time, then next copies I bought from a publisher. I am not kidding, this is true as it is irrelevant.

mmKhan

Mazhar

Thank you for your advice for learning English grammar, I will try, inshaAllah. Now,

Allah knows how to say otherwise...

267
267 And when Musa said to his people, "Indeed, Allah commands you to slaughter a cow." They said, "Do you take us in ridicule?" He said, "I seek refuge in Allah from being among the ignorant."

Look at the construction of this aayat and then compare it with the one in original post.

May Allah increase us in knowledge and guide us to His true path pr
mmKhan

"His Qaum" denotes none else but Bani Israel. And the entire discourse is about reminding the Bani Israel of their past history.

mmkhan

"His Qaum" denotes none else but Bani Israel. And the entire discourse is about reminding the Bani Israel of their past history.

Did I ask you who his qaum is? BTW, remember always, your words are not at all important to me until you give proper references from AlQuraan.

Why you ignored what I asked you. I said, look at the construction of that aayat which is very very clear unlike the other one and please tell me why it has been designed differently?

mmKhan

Mazhar

Thank you for your advice for learning English grammar, I will try, inshaAllah. Now,

Allah knows how to say otherwise...

267
267 And when Musa said to his people, "Indeed, Allah commands you to slaughter a cow." They said, "Do you take us in ridicule?" He said, "I seek refuge in Allah from being among the ignorant."

Look at the construction of this aayat and then compare it with the one in original post.

May Allah increase us in knowledge and guide us to His true path pr
mmKhan

The other quoted Ayah were

And many other aayaats that supports my understanding, such as

255 ...
255 And when you said, "O Musa..."

261 ... 261 And when you said, "O Musa, we can never endure one food..."

And also from 263-65

Why YOU is mentioned in these aayaats? What YOU have to do with Musa? Just think.

You thanked for the advice but did not adhere to it. Please accept it and read about Pronouns in some English grammar site on line. What they are, what they represent, when are they used, when are they the subjects and when are they the objects.

The moment you understand Pronouns, you will find the difference and cause of use of different pronouns for second person in the above Ayah.

Tlepsh

2 136

Say "We believe in God and in what was sent down to us and what was sent down to Abraham, and Ishmael, and Isaac, and Jacob, and the Patriarchs, and what was given to Moses and Jesus, and what was given to the prophets from their Lord; we do not make a distinction between any of them and to Him we submit."

3 84

Say "We believe in God and what was sent down to us and what was sent down to Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and the Patriarchs, and what was given to Moses and Jesus and the prophets from their Lord. We do not make a distinction between any of them, and to Him we submit."

4 163

We have inspired you as We had inspired Noah and the prophets after him. And We had inspired Abraham, and Ishmael, and Isaac, and Jacob, and the Patriarchs, and Jesus, and Job, and Jonah, and Aaron, and Solomon; and We gave David the Psalms.

42 13

He has decreed for you the same systemHe ordained for Noah, and what We inspired to you, and what We ordained for Abraham, Moses, and Jesus You shall uphold this system, and do not divide in it. Intolerable for the polytheists is what you invite them towards. God chooses for Himself whoever He wills; He guides to Himself those who repent.

Dear mmkhan
God says he has send the same system to all. What I understand is that the book=the law is the same book/law but in Qur'an there may be some new kasas/stories compared to Taurat and njil

good_logic

Peace mmkhan and all.
Dear mmkhan

You are absolutely right in your quest to find out for yourself, only seeking help from your creator.That is the correct method to learn the word of GOD.
I am going to add my views for you to reflect further towards finding your answer.

GOD has sent the same "Message", All true messengers of GOD are " Rassoul Karim" . They bring the same message. Here are some exract from the "Qoran"

2125 We did not send any messenger before you except with the inspiration "There is no god except Me; you shall worship Me alone."
3965 It has been revealed to you, and to those before you that if you ever commit idol worship, all your works will be nullified, and you will be with the losers.
416 Say, "I am no more than a human being like you, who has been inspired that your god is one god. You shall be devoted to Him, and ask His forgiveness. Woe to the idol worshipers.

4143 What is said to you is precisely what was said to the previous messengers. Your Lord possesses forgiveness, and He also possesses painful retribution.

4213 He decreed for you the same System/religion decreed for Noah, and what we inspired to you, and what we decreed for Abraham, Moses, and Jesus "You shall uphold this one religion, and do not divide it." The idol worshipers will greatly resent what you invite them to do. GOD redeems to Himself whomever He wills; He guides to Himself only those who totally submit.

4215 This is what you shall preach, and steadfastly maintain what you are commanded to do, and do not follow their wishes. And proclaim "I believe in all the scriptures sent down by GOD. I was commanded to judge among you equitably. GOD is our Lord and your Lord. We have our deeds and you have your deeds. There is no argument between us and you. GOD will gather us all together; to Him is the ultimate destiny."

The message is Submission and total loyalty to GOD Alone. Rites/rules may vary because GOD tries believers of different messengers.
Unfortunately very few follow these messengers ( Uphold the authority of GOD Alone, only follow HIS word.

354 If they disbelieve you, messengers before you have been disbelieved. GOD is in control of all things.

4221 They follow idols who decree for them religious laws never authorized by GOD. If it were not for the predetermined decision, they would have been judged immediately. Indeed, the transgressors have incurred a painful retribution.*

4323 Invariably, when we sent a warner to any community, the leaders of that community would say, "We found our parents following certain practices, and we will continue in their footsteps."

You are responsible only for yourself. So you are right to question and only trust in GOD Alone.

4344 This is a message for you and your people; all of you will be questioned.

2784 When they arrive, He(GOD0 will say, "You have rejected My revelations, before acquiring knowledge about them. Is this not what you did?"

Peace.

mmkhan

The other quoted Ayah were

You thanked for the advice but did not adhere to it. Please accept it and read about Pronouns in some English grammar site on line. What they are, what they represent, when are they used, when are they the subjects and when are they the objects.

The moment you understand Pronouns, you will find the difference and cause of use of different pronouns for second person in the above Ayah.

I know that I did not adhere it because I don't have much time to study languages.

I will thankful to you if you can quote my any aayat showing me its usage that you wanted to say.

May Allah guide us to His true path pr
mmKhan

mmkhan

2 136
Say "We believe in God and in what was sent down to us and what was sent down to Abraham, and Ishmael, and Isaac, and Jacob, and the Patriarchs, and what was given to Moses and Jesus, and what was given to the prophets from their Lord; we do not make a distinction between any of them and to Him we submit."

3 84
Say "We believe in God and what was sent down to us and what was sent down to Abraham and Ishmael and Isaac and Jacob and the Patriarchs, and what was given to Moses and Jesus and the prophets from their Lord. We do not make a distinction between any of them, and to Him we submit."

4 163
We have inspired you as We had inspired Noah and the prophets after him. And We had inspired Abraham, and Ishmael, and Isaac, and Jacob, and the Patriarchs, and Jesus, and Job, and Jonah, and Aaron, and Solomon; and We gave David the Psalms.

42 13
He has decreed for you the same systemHe ordained for Noah, and what We inspired to you, and what We ordained for Abraham, Moses, and Jesus You shall uphold this system, and do not divide in it. Intolerable for the polytheists is what you invite them towards. God chooses for Himself whoever He wills; He guides to Himself those who repent.

Dear mmkhan
God says he has send the same system to all. What I understand is that the book=the law is the same book/law but in Qur'an there may be some new kasas/stories compared to Taurat and njil

Salaam brother,

Thanks for quoting aayaats. You highlighted "wahi", without going into details, I just wanted to give you some references, inshaAllah you will understand what "wahi" is. Please check - Zachariyya's wahi in 1911, Shaitaan's wahi in 6121, etc.

Brother, I take AlKitaab/TheBook means TEXT/Written. If you search for AlTauraat, you will NOT find that it was given to Musa, if you search for AlQuraan, you will NOT find that it was given to Muhammed, so why to differentiate?

We have to understand that AlQuraan/AlKitaab is from Allah, we need to serve Him by agreeing what He said in it. That is what we have been created for.

May Allah increase us in knowledge and guide us to His true path pr
mmKhan

Mazhar

I know that I did not adhere it because I don't have much time to study languages.

I will thankful to you if you can quote my any aayat showing me its usage that you wanted to say.

Such an irrational and illogical answer and understanding through which one has the hallucination of understading Qur'aan is enough for me to say good bye to you. And pray that Shaitaan does not fully overpower you.

mmkhan

Such an irrational and illogical answer and understanding through which one has the hallucination of understading Qur'aan is enough for me to say good bye to you. And pray that Shaitaan does not fully overpower you.

Is it irrational and illogical answer for you when I say you "the Truth"? Learning English language is NOT necessary for me, you or anyone else. How can you force anyone on that.

Instead, I asked you to get me some aayaats from AlQuraan, is this important or learning English language for you? How you people judge!

Anyways, thanks for your prayers and same to you.

May Allah protect us and guide us to His true path pr
mmKhan