A question regarding the concept of Oath of Engagement
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Yes, it is 2211, my typing error. Thanks.
No problem, but still, why did you quote that verse anyway? I didn't get it...
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That was about the statement to which you responded "Agreed".
Oh, ok
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That was about the statement to which you responded "Agreed".
2211 And from the people there is he who serves God nervously. So if good comes to him, he is content with it; and if an ordeal comes to him, he makes an about-face. He has lost this world and the Hereafter. Such is the clear loss.
Are you conveying that those who face an ordeal (like earthquake etc.) and lose their faith in God have lost the hereafter as well as the present world?
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2211 And from the people there is he who serves God nervously. So if good comes to him, he is content with it; and if an ordeal comes to him, he makes an about-face. He has lost this world and the Hereafter. Such is the clear loss.
Are you conveying that those who face an ordeal (like earthquake etc.) and lose their faith in God have lost the hereafter as well as the present world?
Change "nervously" with borderline, on a corner, and thereafter, get the perception. It is about an individual.
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Change "nervously" with borderline, on a corner, and thereafter, get the perception. It is about an individual.
Which individual? What's the relation to natural disasters?
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Pl go back and see the quoted Ayah.
I really don't see a connection.
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I do think that some people have replaced what religion is supposed to preach (reverence of God and morality) with superstition and rituals. If their rituals and superstitions bring them good morals and zikr (reverence) then they've got good reason to continue what they are doing.You
And from the people there is he who serves God nervously. So if good comes to him, he is content with it; and if an ordeal comes to him, he makes an about-face. He has lost this world and the Hereafter. Such is the clear loss.The point of my post was that the key thing to serving God, is morality and reverence. If one reads the Quran and this never does anything to benefit their morality or zikr, then their status as Quranist/Quran reader etc. is pretty much pointless. The primary purpose of the Quran as far as I can see is to enhance a people's morality (self-sufficiency + beneficence) and zikr. Thus the one who is morally good and reverent (whether this be with or without the Quran), is always better than the one who is of a lesser moral standing. Believing in the Quran makes no difference to this ranking.
The good person is the one that does not serve God half-heartedly but instead does so whole-heartedly provided that good = strong, righteous and reverent IMO.4913 O people, We created you from a male and female, and We made you into nations and tribes, that you may know one another. Surely, the most honorable among you in the sight of God is the most righteous. God is Knowledgeable, Expert.