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Sura Al-Fatihah, is it really a prayer?

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    Surah 11
    Among eternal sign conveying knowledge about one who is not a deity for worship is the extreme eternal compassion.

    it is a combination of a preposition, which has several meanings but one here picked up based upon its use as? the instrument of whose aid we avail ourselves?
    from root radical ?waw? is dropped and replaced at the beginning with ?hemza?. The hemza is also dropped when word is used at the beginning of sentence with a preposition. This root means ?sign to identify sometime?.
    a sentence written as such meaning ?one who is not a deity for worship?
    two both from root meaning ?he had mercy, compassion or pity or forgave?. Both nouns are definite due presence of definite article ?al?. This ?al? is to make, this mercy a one and only kind of the mercy.
    is at the measure of it is a measure which meanings of intensification to the root.
    is at the measure of which give meaning to eternity and permanence to the root meaning.

    Surah 12

    The praise for (one who) is not a deity for worship, (he) is the Rabb (sustainer, maintainer, foster and accomplisher) for all those one can learn.

    a definite noun from root meaning ?he praised, eulogized or commended?.
    it is a combination of meaning ? for (one who) is not a deity for worship, or for not god?.
    the definite noun due to being part of compound meaning ?sustainer, maintainer, foster and accomplisher?.
    this a noun plural noun from root at the measure of meaning of root ? he know it, or acquaint with it?. The ?al? here is contraction of ?alathi?

    Surah 13
    The extreme eternal compassion.

    Both these nouns are explained above.

    Surah 14
    What for you are the customs and traditions at all times?

    it is a combination of interrogative noun meaning ?what? preposition meaning ?for? and second person personal noun meaning ?you?. It is not one word like traditionally considered.
    a common noun from root meaning usually ?a day? but it actually means ?time in absolute sense?
    a definite noun from root meaning ?customs and traditions?

    Surah 15
    You beware of; making us an object of worship also you beware of, to think of us as a beast.

    it is a phrase meaning from Lane, in root ?you beware of?.
    it is imperfect first person plural from root meaning ?he had made an object of worship?. The pronoun at the start is nominative and translated as ?we?. I am translated as ?us? which usually in English is a subjective noun. However, ?us? can be used as indirect object. This is the case here.
    it is imperfect verbs x form, its root is traditionally it is meant ?he aided? but one were to read this meaning is only for noun and not the verb root. In root meaning Lane writes that ?She was or became such as termed which ?a beast?.

    Surah 16
    We direct against fleeing the path thought to be universally original, straight, undeviating and unceasing.

    an imperative verb with a personal pronoun attached at the end. The root for verb is meaning ?he directed?. The personal pronoun at the end is considered as subjective case and translated as ?us? but at several places in Quran it is translated as ?we?; Hence, due context it is translated as ?we?.
    A definite noun from root meaning ?a path? furthermore, it is at the measure of which adds meanings of ?flight or refusal? (Wright Vol. 1; page, 113 B). Therefore, meaning ?fleeing from the path?.
    A definite noun/adjective from root it is a noun of time and place from verb?s X form. Therefore, a meaning of ?Universally thought to be? is added.

    Surah 17

    Those fleeing the path, if you were to inform them, it would be nothing but the object of anger for them even confounded and perplexed unable to see the right course.

    explained above.
    is a relative plural noun ?those?
    it is a combination of a letter of interrogation, followed by particle usually means ?yes? but Lane has discussed in detail under root meaning ?to provide information? and a particle of allocation added at end to ?you?.
    combination of a particle with several meanings used ?to? and a third parson plural pronoun.
    a particle with several meanings used ?nothing but?
    the passive participle from root meaning ?an object of anger?
    explained above.
    due to context translated as ?even?
    A active plural noun from root meaning ?he was confounded and perplexed unable to see the right course?.

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      I was struggling with one word in this Sura. This word was as how to convey its meanings/concept in English without adding too many words and brackets. Hence, I kept working. Now I think I can say with reasonable certainty that I understand it all. Those who are interested may like to Google English words of "learn and learning" to comprehend the depth and profoundness of this concept.

      Badar

      Surah 11
      Among eternal sign conveying knowledge about one who is not a deity for worship is the extreme eternal compassion.

      it is a combination of a preposition, which has several meanings but one here picked up based upon its use as? the instrument of whose aid we avail ourselves?
      from root radical ?waw? is dropped and replaced at the beginning with ?hemza?. The hemza is also dropped when word is used at the beginning of sentence with a preposition. This root means ?sign to identify sometime?.
      a sentence written as such meaning ?one who is not a deity for worship?
      two both from root meaning ?he had mercy, compassion or pity or forgave?. Both nouns are definite due presence of definite article ?al?. This ?al? is to make, this mercy a one and only kind of the mercy.
      is at the measure of it is a measure which meanings of intensification to the root.
      is at the measure of which give meaning to eternity and permanence to the root meaning.

      Surah 12

      The praise for one not a deity for worship is a master owner and proprietor (Rabb) of all the learning.

      a definite noun from root meaning ?he praised, eulogized or commended?.
      it is a combination of meaning ? for one not a deity for worship, or for not god?.
      the definite noun due to being part of compound meaning ?sustainer, maintainer, foster and accomplisher?.
      this a noun plural noun from root at the measure of meaning of root ? he know it, or acquaint with it?. It would become which is usually translated as "a learned or scholar", but also means "learning".

      Surah 13
      The extreme eternal compassion.

      Both these nouns are explained above.

      Surah 14
      What for you are the customs and traditions at all times?

      it is a combination of interrogative noun ?Ma? meaning ?what? preposition meaning ?for? and second person personal noun meaning ?you?. It is not one word like traditionally considered.
      a common noun from root meaning usually ?a day? but it actually means ?time in absolute sense?
      a definite noun from root meaning ?customs and traditions?

      Surah 15
      You beware of; making us an object of worship also you beware of, to think of us as a beast.

      it is a phrase meaning from Lane, in root ?you beware of?.
      it is imperfect first person plural from root meaning ?he had made an object of worship?. The pronoun at the start is nominative and translated as ?we?. I am translated as ?us? which usually in English is a subjective noun. However, ?us? can be used as indirect object. This is the case here.
      it is imperfect verbs x form, its root is traditionally it is meant ?he aided? but one were to read this meaning is only for noun and not the verb root. In root meaning Lane writes that ?She was or became such as termed which ?a beast?.

      Surah 16
      We direct against fleeing the path thought to be universally original, straight, undeviating and unceasing.

      an imperative verb with a personal pronoun attached at the end. The root for verb is meaning ?he directed?. The personal pronoun at the end is considered as subjective case and translated as ?us? but at several places in Quran it is translated as ?we?; Hence, due context it is translated as ?we?.
      A definite noun from root meaning ?a path? furthermore, it is at the measure of which adds meanings of ?flight or refusal? (Wright Vol. 1; page, 113 B). Therefore, meaning ?fleeing from the path?.
      A definite noun/adjective from root it is a noun of time and place from verb?s X form. Therefore, a meaning of ?Universally thought to be? is added.

      Surah 17

      Those fleeing the path, if you were to inform them, it would be nothing but the object of anger for them, confounded and perplexed unable to see the right course.

      explained above.
      is a relative plural noun ?those?
      it is a combination of a letter of interrogation, followed by particle usually means ?yes? but Lane has discussed in detail under root meaning ?to provide information? and a particle of allocation added at end to ?you?.
      combination of a particle with several meanings used ?to? and a third parson

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        it is a combination of a preposition, which has several meanings but one here picked up based upon its use as? the instrument of whose aid we avail ourselves?

        Elided Verb The Elevated Messenger of Allah the Exalted Pronounced, and following him in letter and spirit, now we begin reading by pronouncing.
        The Personal Name Ar'Reh'maan of Allah the Exalted is the recourse-resort to begin.
        Ar'Reh'maan is eternally the Fountain of Infinite Mercy.

        The prerequisite to accurately and comprehensively perceive the perception and thought conveyed in Arabic text is to know and determine the relation of each and every word with its preceding and subsequent word, while determining its own position and role played in the sentence/text. One cannot comprehensively perceive the thought-idea conveyed therein merely by knowing the vocabulary of language. Some say about Arabic that we learn Arabic to read Arabic.

        The Preposition designates contiguity in its broadest sense. It has a wide range of uses including spatiotemporal, instrumental and manner adverbial. It is frequently used for connectivity, be it true or figurative; for accompaniment; and to make a verb transitive. It is used for resorting, recourse.

        Word by Word analysis of 101

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          Elided Verb The Elevated Messenger of Allah the Exalted Pronounced,

          You're still doing it I see Mazhar sun

          Did you miss me? How are you? handshake

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            Mazhar
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            You're still doing it I see Mazhar sun

            Did you miss me? How are you? handshake

            Lovely to see you. . Where were you busy? Hope everything, husband and children are all well by the Grace of Allah the Exalted.

            You had said this

            Your quotes here say the plural, and I agree they were ALL chosen and 'elevated' for that, just that verse implies something else in how it is translated.

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              Lovely to see you. . Where were you busy? Hope everything, husband and children are all well by the Grace of Allah the Exalted.

              You had said this

              No the avatar is the same one, I've been elderly forever but still feel 18 yay

              I found I was spending way too much time here and researching so I had to have a break and face reality for a while......then got addicted to Facebook giveup so inshaAllah I'm back because at least you lot are sane with brains, but yes, all well Alhamdulillah, hope the same for you and yours. sun

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                No the avatar is the same one, I've been elderly forever but still feel 18 yay

                I found I was spending way too much time here and researching so I had to have a break and face reality for a while......then got addicted to Facebook giveup so inshaAllah I'm back because at least you lot are sane with brains, but yes, all well Alhamdulillah, hope the same for you and yours. sun

                Good to know that you will now be with us. I recall avator was different. There you were not even 18, rather very young playful happy naughty small girl.

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