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Surah 70 Ayah 40

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    mmkhan
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    Thank you, I was searching for examples like this.
    As per my current understanding the Alif in the beginning is for interrogative sentences ( I hope this is the correct term).

    So as per my current understanding it has to be read like this
    1062 Is it NOT for sure that on the allies of God there is no fear over them nor will they grieve?
    Not the best translation but I hope you understand what I mean.

    Salaam brother,

    I agree with you on 1062. And 292 makes it more clear in usage of initial alif, inshaAllah.

    292

    May Allah increase us in knowledge and guide us to His true path pr
    mmKhan

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      Bender
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      Than if that is the case why not "Should I not swear" being the case.

      Salaam Bigmo,
      Because there is no Alif in the beginning of the "qasam", but a Fa.

      I think you are trying to imply the la here means no. Than you changed it to negative. As I said negative can also be "should I not swear". The problem is the la here does not mean no. Alla is also about emphasis. However you try to word that emphasis is not relevant.

      As per my undersatning La means always No/Not

      In the verses with "qasam" there is not such a questioning, it's simply "thus no".

      I couldn't find a single verse with Fa-La where it was about empasis, so there is for me not a single reason to make an exception for the "Fala uquasimu" verses.

      Here are some examples with "fala" where no translator traslate it as an emphasis
      11109
      955
      1447
      There are many many more. So how come in all those verses it's a neg. but ONLY in the qasam verses it's to emphasis?
      Please share if you can find 1 verse where Fala means to emphasis.

      Such as the verse
      "
      (214) Or do ye think that ye shall enter the Garden (of bliss) without such (trials) as came to those who passed away before you? they encountered suffering and adversity, and were so shaken in spirit that even the Messenger and those of faith who were with him cried "When (will come) the help of Allah?" Ah! Verily, the help of Allah is (always) near!
      You can translate is as "is it not the case that Allah's victory is near" as long as you dont change the meaning. However gramatically its about emphasis and not negative or positive. But with the la uqsim you actually changed the meaning of the text to mean God does not swear rather than God swears.

      I didn't change anything.
      And you are talking here about "A-la" not about "Fa-la"
      People who translate fa-la without using the "La" are changing the meaning not me nope

      RED There is nowhere in those ayaats "God swears" or "God does not swear" nope

      Al Dhariyat (7) By the Sky with (its) numerous Paths,

      ( Truly ye are in a doctrine discordant,

      This is a different subject, but here also I do not agree that it is a swear.

      (22) And in heaven is your Sustenance, as (also) that which ye are promised.

      (23) Then, by the Lord of heaven and earth, this is the very Truth, as much as the fact that ye can speak intelligently to each other.

      There are many examples where God swears. The notion that la uqsimu means God does not swear is changing the meaning and does not make Quranic sense or gramatical sense.

      As far as I know nowhere in The Quran there is a verse with a swear of Allah.
      Allah's Word is already the truth, a swear does not make it more truth.

      Red Even if you take it here as a swear then who do you think is saying this and who is then Lord of heaven and earth? hmm

      Even a casual glance at these verses tell us what la uqsimu means

      Al Waqia'Al (75) Furthermore I call to witness the setting of the Stars,-

      (76) And that is indeed a mighty adjuration if ye but knew,-

      (77) That this is indeed a qur?an Most Honourable,

      (7 In Book well-guarded,

      (79) Which none shall touch but those who are clean

      (80) A Revelation from the Lord of the Worlds.

      As I said before, I am at the moment not sure what "uqsimu" means in The Quran. So I don't know how to understand these verses.

      But I am sure that it says "Thus I do NOT uqsimu with..." in 5675
      And I am even more sure that it's not Allah who is saying this, because if it's Allah then who is Rabbi Al3alameen in 5680?

      http//www.oneummah.net/quran/

      Thank You!!!

      Salaam,
      Bender

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        Bigmo
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        Salaam Bigmo,
        Because there is no Alif in the beginning of the "qasam", but a Fa.As per my undersatning La means always No/Not

        In the verses with "qasam" there is not such a questioning, it's simply "thus no".

        I couldn't find a single verse with Fa-La where it was about empasis, so there is for me not a single reason to make an exception for the "Fala uquasimu" verses.

        Here are some examples with "fala" where no translator traslate it as an emphasis
        11109
        955
        1447
        There are many many more. So how come in all those verses it's a neg. but ONLY in the qasam verses it's to emphasis?
        Please share if you can find 1 verse where Fala means to emphasis.

        I didn't change anything.
        And you are talking here about "A-la" not about "Fa-la"
        People who translate fa-la without using the "La" are changing the meaning not me nope

        RED There is nowhere in those ayaats "God swears" or "God does not swear" nope

        This is a different subject, but here also I do not agree that it is a swear.

        As far as I know nowhere in The Quran there is a verse with a swear of Allah.
        Allah's Word is already the truth, a swear does not make it more truth.

        Red Even if you take it here as a swear then who do you think is saying this and who is then Lord of heaven and earth? hmm

        As I said before, I am at the moment not sure what "uqsimu" means in The Quran. So I don't know how to understand these verses.

        But I am sure that it says "Thus I do NOT uqsimu with..." in 5675
        And I am even more sure that it's not Allah who is saying this, because if it's Allah then who is Rabbi Al3alameen in 5680?

        Thank You!!!

        Salaam,
        Bender

        what do you mean by Allah is not saying this?

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          Bender
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          what do you mean by Allah is not saying this?

          Salaam Bigmo,

          5115
          blue part is what Allah says red part is not what Allah says.

          Salaam,
          Bender

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            hawk99
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            Peace,

            There are criterion for understanding Quran, one of which is that you must side
            with God, that is asumming that God is all-wise and all knowing, the creator of
            everything and that his knownledge encompasses all things and that it is we
            who are the seekers of wisdom.

            Having said that let's address your question.
            In the Quran sometimes it's God Almighty speaking or the Quran itself,
            others times it's the angel gabreal speaking and at other times
            creatures.

            When they approached the valley of the ants, one ant said, "O you ants, go into your homes, lest you get crushed by Solomon and his soldiers, without perceiving."

            I hope this was helpful

            Peace O0

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              mmkhan
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              When they approached the valley of the ants, one ant said, "O you ants, go into your homes, lest you get crushed by Solomon and his soldiers, without perceiving."

              I hope this was helpful

              Salaam brother,

              Taking ants? hmm

              mmKhan

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                hawk99
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                Salaam brother,

                Taking ants? hmm

                mmKhan

                Peace mmKhan,

                It has been known for a long time that animals communicate with each other.
                Elephants use their trunks to communicate with other elephants over long distances.
                Animals might not be able to speak or master advanced language techniques, but they certainly have other ways of communicating. Whale song, wolf howls, frog croaks, bird chips -- even the waggle dance of the honeybee or the vigorous waving of a dog's tail -- are among the panoply of ways animals transmit information to each other and to other denizens of the animal kingdom.

                Species often rely on verbal and nonverbal forms of communication, such as calls; non-vocal auditory outbursts, like the slap of a dolphin's tail on the water; bioluminescence; scent marking; chemical or tactile cues; visual signals and postural gestures.

                Other species don't talk as we humans do, our way of communicating is only one of many.

                Peace O0

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                  mmkhan
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                  Peace mmKhan,

                  It has been known for a long time that animals communicate with each other.
                  Elephants use their trunks to communicate with other elephants over long distances.
                  Animals might not be able to speak or master advanced language techniques, but they certainly have other ways of communicating. Whale song, wolf howls, frog croaks, bird chips -- even the waggle dance of the honeybee or the vigorous waving of a dog's tail -- are among the panoply of ways animals transmit information to each other and to other denizens of the animal kingdom.

                  Species often rely on verbal and nonverbal forms of communication, such as calls; non-vocal auditory outbursts, like the slap of a dolphin's tail on the water; bioluminescence; scent marking; chemical or tactile cues; visual signals and postural gestures.

                  Other species don't talk as we humans do, our way of communicating is only one of many.

                  Peace O0

                  Peace Hawk99,

                  Thank you for your reply brother, I am aware of it. Its my bad that I did not ask my question correctly. I wanted to ask "Sulaiman listen to a talking ant?", how he understood them talking?

                  I believe that Namal refers to some tribe, I am not 100% sure though.

                  May Allah increase us in knowledge and guide us to His true path pr
                  mmKhan

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                    hawk99
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                    Peace mmkhan,

                    When they approached the valley of the ants, one ant said, "O you ants, go into your homes, lest you get crushed by Solomon and his soldiers, without perceiving."

                    Notice that the ants are communicating with one another not Sulaiman!

                    I hope this is helpful.

                    Peace O0

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                      Mazhar
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                      Peace mmkhan,

                      When they approached the valley of the ants, one ant said, "O you ants, go into your homes, lest you get crushed by Solomon and his soldiers, without perceiving."

                      Notice that the ants are communicating with one another not Sulaiman!

                      I hope this is helpful.

                      Peace O0

                      Next Ayah

                      Thereon, for reason of having heard, he/Sulie'maan smiled feeling amused by her commanding statement;

                      One may find and listen ants speaking searching youtube...google to get the latest information.

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                        mmkhan
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                        Peace mmkhan,

                        When they approached the valley of the ants, one ant said, "O you ants, go into your homes, lest you get crushed by Solomon and his soldiers, without perceiving."

                        Notice that the ants are communicating with one another not Sulaiman!

                        I hope this is helpful.

                        Peace O0

                        Peace Hawk99,

                        Thank you for aayat brother, I know they communicated to each other but how Sulaiman understood it? Is it not against Sunnah of Allah?

                        Please take a look at this. The only problem is they live on island. Were they or someone like them lived somewhere else?

                        May Allah increase us in knowledge and guide us to His true path pr
                        mmKhan

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                          hawk99
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                          peace mmkhan,

                          Amazing videos! eventhough I would not watch the woman giving birth
                          on a couch. The rest is refreshing and educational.

                          Peace O0

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