is Sinai in Ethiopia ?
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Other Cheikh Dukhani fantasies
Let consider this hypothesis Moses was in Yemen and not in Egypt.
So where is the crossed Sea of Exodus ?
1860 And Moses said to his youth "I will not stop until I reach the junction of the two seas, or I spend a lifetime trying."
From verse 18-60, we know that Moses was near the junction of two seas (not rivers).The crossed sea of the exodus could then be the narrow passage, not very deep, between the Red Sea and Gulf of Aden (Indian Ocean).
Looking at a map, the region mentioned above is the only one that fit verse 18-60.
If we cross it, we are in Ethiopia. The Sinai would be then Ethiopia.We notice also that, at the two sides of that crossing, there is two very old jewish cultures (Yemenite and Ethiopian).
Notice also that a second crossing is mentioned in the bible (by Yeshua army and it was over the ?Jordan? river).
Notice also that near Ethiopia, there was a Nubian civilization that worshipped his own idols. It is what is mentioned in Quran in verse 7-138
7138 And We let the Children of Israel cross the sea, then they came upon a people who were devoted to statues made for them; they said "O Moses, make for us a god like they have gods?" He said "You are an ignorant people!"
So we can deduce that there was people in the true Sinai who worshipped other unkown divinities and we can deduce that Sinai was not desert.
Verses (7-136 and 7-137) expressed the idea that the "famous Promised Land" is just an extension of the ancient land of "Pharaoh" God has blessed and he did inherit those who were oppressed, in fulfillment of his promise (see also 26-59, 44-2.
The Ethiopian Jews, also known as Falashas are Jews with Jewishness very odd. Not only their synagogues are called Masjid , not only they do sheep sacrifice , they not only had different Jewish holidays, but they did not recognize the "sunna" (the Talmud), had no rabbis and do not recognize the Star of David but they are particularly attached to his son Solomon and the Queen of Sheba. More interestingly, the ark of alliance is the subject of a very special worship.
We can notice also old traditions conveyed by Falashas that they are descended from Hebrews who refused to follow Moses during the exodus. Other tradition stipulates that Falashas have been converted by Moses during a "visit".
The archaeological evidence are too large and showy. There is old synagogues and old jewish traditions in ethiopia.
we can find also in the Ethiopian Sinai volcanoes and even a mountain "Musa."During this time, archeologists following sectarians spend millions to find nothing in the false Israel and in the false Sinai.
They have even lost 10 of the 12 Jewish tribes and refuse to see where there is jewish tribes and old synaguogues.So the question is
Why Ethiopia cannot be the true Sinai ?
Wich region fit better?Peace
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Sina'a mzntioned in the quran isn't a place or an area, but it is the mushroom's name, twar sina'a means the TOP of a Mushrom, where yuo get medicine like peniciline
peniciline wasn't the discovery of british, but it was known for centuries, since the begining of MEN
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Let me tell you something about Ethiopia, bro..
The Ethiopians have a very very intersting book called "The Kebra Negasht" (meaning Tthe Glory of the Kings). It is an outstanding piece of religious literature, written mostly in the G'eez script (although some parts are in Amharic).
Of particular interest to us is the chapter called "The Sheba-Menelik Cycle". This chapter puts forth the theory of the ORIGINS of the Felasha Jews, and explains how the Solomonic Line of kings came to rule Ethiopia. The story, part myth and part true (as is the case in most histories), goes that Sheba had an affair with Solomon, and the fruit of that was their son, Menelik. This "bastard" son, so to speak, eventually set into motion a sinister plot to steal the Arc of the Covenant, which was placed in the "Holy of Holies" inside the Temple. Where did he run off to? You gussed it Ethiopia.
The legend has it that the Queen and her son, Menelik, with the Arc in his possession, sought refufe in Ethiopia. (does this ring a bell? )) Consequently, Ethiopian folklore has it that the Arc is burried somewhere in a volcano near Axum.
The most outrageous thing about the Sheba-Menelik Cycle are the comments made by the Christian interpreters of later ages. The Cycle tells us that it took the Queen THREE DAYS to travel from Solomon's temple to Axum. The interpreters were dumbfounded and couldn't figure out how anyone could make the trip (from Jerusalem to Axum ) in just 3 days, at a time when it normally took no less than a month to complete such a journey. So they inserted, in their commentaries, that the Arch-angel Michael descended, spread his wings, and flew them there rotfl
Because of their pre-conceived belief that Jerusalem was in Palestine (God Said So!), they couldn't figure out what they thought was a geographical absurdity and ignorance on the part of the authors of the Kebra Negasht.
When I read that passage about the the ride on the wings of an angel, I actually began to convulse with laughter, and my room-mate came in and asked me what the hell was going on.
Anyway, I think I know now where the "Islamic" legend of Muhammad fleeing to Ethiopia to seek refuge with the Negashi came from. Most probably it was a Jewish invention that paralleled the Sheba-Menelik Cycle account.
Anyway, I've reserved an entire chapter in Book III to analyse the Kebra-Negasht.
Ethipia is a very very ancient land, with a rich culture. In fact it is one of the places thought to be the craddle of humanity (notice how all the places that are candidates are rich in VOLCANOES? This is a very important point that I will elaborate on sometime in the future). However, I don't think that Solomon's kingdom was there. The story of Sheba-Menelik, IMHO, might have been told as a legendary explanation of how the Falasha "popped" up in Ethiopia.
Peace...
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salaam Pazuzu
i am not saying that kingdom of solomon was there.
The hypothesis is that ethiopia was only the land where bani israel were exiled for forty years.
After that, They returned into the black circle, on the land of Firaoun.
The sea crossed would be that between yemen and ethiopia and is inside your black circle.Bahr is not a river. Please note that there is a big "majmaa el bahrein", like the one in 18-60, into your black circle. There is no other "majmaa el bahrein" near your black circle. In fact, there is No other Majmaa el bahrein in all that region.
18-60 could alone proove that Moses was in that land, bro, into the black circle!Please read carefully
7138 And We let the Children of Israel cross the sea, then they came upon a people who were devoted to statues made for them; they said "O Moses, make for us a god like they have gods?" He said "You are an ignorant people!"During the 40 years, Bani Israel were not in a desert. There were people living there. And that people whorshipped idols bani israel didn't knew before. (asnamon lahom).
7-138, for me, indicates clearly that the exile was not in the culturally "known yemen".Of course, i think that Ethiopian scholars lies like the others.
Peace
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Salaam Pazuzu
please note existence of a miraculous "reverse" crossing in bible at the beginning of conquest of "cannan rotfl "
from wikipedia http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joshua
Part Conquest of Canaan ( rotfl )
At the Jordan River ( rotfl ), the waters parted, as they had for Moses at the Red Sea ( rotfl ). The first battle after the crossing of the Jordan ( rotfl ) was the Battle of Jericho( rotfl ).from bible http//www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Joshua+3-4&version=NIV
Joshua 31 to 314
Crossing the Jordan3 Early in the morning Joshua and all the Israelites set out from Shittim and went to the Jordan, where they camped before crossing over. 2 After three days the officers went throughout the camp, 3 giving orders to the people ?When you see the ark of the covenant of the Lord your God, and the Levitical priests carrying it, you are to move out from your positions and follow it. 4 Then you will know which way to go, since you have never been this way before. But keep a distance of about two thousand cubits between you and the ark; do not go near it.?
5 Joshua told the people, ?Consecrate yourselves, for tomorrow the Lord will do amazing things among you.?
6 Joshua said to the priests, ?Take up the ark of the covenant and pass on ahead of the people.? So they took it up and went ahead of them.
7 And the Lord said to Joshua, ?Today I will begin to exalt you in the eyes of all Israel, so they may know that I am with you as I was with Moses. 8 Tell the priests who carry the ark of the covenant ?When you reach the edge of the Jordan?s waters, go and stand in the river.??
9 Joshua said to the Israelites, ?Come here and listen to the words of the Lord your God. 10 This is how you will know that the living God is among you and that he will certainly drive out before you the Canaanites, Hittites, Hivites, Perizzites, Girgashites, Amorites and Jebusites. 11 See, the ark of the covenant of the Lord of all the earth will go into the Jordan ahead of you. 12 Now then, choose twelve men from the tribes of Israel, one from each tribe. 13 And as soon as the priests who carry the ark of the Lord?the Lord of all the earth?set foot in the Jordan, its waters flowing downstream will be cut off and stand up in a heap.?
14 So when the people broke camp to cross the Jordan, the priests carrying the ark of the covenant went ahead of them. 15 Now the Jordan is at flood stage all during harvest. Yet as soon as the priests who carried the ark reached the Jordan and their feet touched the water?s edge, 16 the water from upstream stopped flowing. It piled up in a heap a great distance away, at a town called Adam in the vicinity of Zarethan, while the water flowing down to the Sea of the Arabah (that is, the Dead Sea) was completely cut off. So the people crossed over opposite Jericho. 17 The priests who carried the ark of the covenant of the Lord stopped in the middle of the Jordan and stood on dry ground, while all Israel passed by until the whole nation had completed the crossing on dry ground.
We both know, dear Pazuzu, that they were far away from the jordan River.
And the question is, if true, where did happened the second crossing ?
Note that it was just after the end of the exile of 40 years.Peace
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Peace, noshirk.
The word "ha-yerden" as it appears in the original Aramaic text, simply means "the ridge" or "the escarpment". It has nothing to do with JORDAN whatsoever.
And yes, you're right. The Israleites were never in Jordan.
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Salaam
During the exile, a strange story happened. Let Bible speaks
Numbers 121
New International Version (NIV)
Miriam and Aaron Oppose Moses12 Miriam and Aaron began to talk against Moses because of his Cushite wife, for he had married a Cushite. 2 ?Has the Lord spoken only through Moses?? they asked. ?Hasn?t he also spoken through us?? And the Lord heard this.
and let wikipedia speaks http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cushi
Etymology
"Cush" is the name of an ancient ethnic group who come from the land of Cush (Today's Sudan, and practically the entire southern Egypt, though some scholars point to the Beta Israel Ethiopian Jewry as remnants of the 'Cushite' tribe).
Where did Moses found the cushite women he married with ?
In the sinai desert (rotfl)? Among the bani israel escaped from Firaoun (rotfl)I think i have an idea in wich Moses had a big choice between many cushite women
Peace
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Salaam
http//atlas.geo.cornell.edu/oman/images/Al-Lazki2002_fig1.gif
Perhaps cheikh dukhani is not right.
according to this tectonic map, there is two possible "majmaa bahrein" (confluent of seas) in wich tectonic events could have divided see in two.
the first one is between ethiopia and yemen
the second is between actual emirates and Iran.i am sure Nassara are persians.
But Jewish traces are visible in ethiopia.Sinai (place where Bani were exiled 40 sanaton after the dividing sea) is ethiopia or iran ?
Really, i don't know. I cannot decide.It is still possible however for me that nephew of moses went to Iran while bani israel were in ethiopia.
i like very much the allegoric images of sea (of words and water) of God who separates and after crash against each other during many centuries.
i am troubled.
Peace
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Salaam friend noshirk,
Did you believe in my theory or at least parts of it?
The Ghalilee in my theory would be the region around the Persian gulf. Pharisees would be the region north part of the Persian Gulf. The man called Jesus in the New Testament, no matter who he was or when he lived, traveled across the Persian Gulf to Gadarenes (Qatar) to preach the Message. He might has well been in Oman (or Ethiopia in your theory).
The answer to your question is that the Jews (or people of Israel) were occupying the whole regions around this gulf. So no wonder you find traces of them even on the Arabian Peninsula.
I still think that Moses crossed the Red Sea and then went on steadily towards east. The idol worshiping people Moses and his people saw where his people mentioned that they should carve idols like them so that they could worship and Moses said they were ignorant, that was probably the Palestinian people (Phillistines) who was a much bigger people back then and stretched more south I am sure.
I am glad if you locate the true Mount Sinai and I think it is not the traditional mountain. I think they passed today's mount Sinai and then went up in the high mountain range slightly south.
And when they were disobeying God and exiled to 40 sanaton they were wandering the deserts of the Arabian Peninsula I am sure of. It seems clear that it was a desert area they wandered.
That you find "Jewish traces" in Ethiopia (traditional location?) might be that some of the people who moved with Moses gave up and went back, can that be?
God bless you
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Salaam friend noshirk,
Did you believe in my theory or at least parts of it?
salaam
only parts.
Issa is for me nephew of Moses. it is a quranic fact for me.
i don't why brother pazuzu seems reluctant to accept this.Phonetic comparison between Fars and pharisee is troubling. Why not ?
wikipedia
Following *Zarantu?tra- are
"with old/aging camels" related to Avestic zarant-. (cf. Pashto z and Ossetic z?rond, "old"; Old Persian zl, "old"
"with angry/furious camels" from Avestan *zarant-, "angry, furious".
Following *Zaratu?tra- are
" golden camel" this is derived from old Eastern Iranian word *zar- for gold and ushtra for camel, further corresponding to an Eastern Iranian origin (the Old Persian word dar as a Western-Iranian dialect would be the equal term of Eastern Iranian zar; Modern Persian uses the Eastern Iranian word for gold).
"who is driving camels" or "who is fostering/cherishing camels" related to Avestan zar?-, "to drag".
Mayrhofer (1977) proposed an etymology of "who is desiring camels" or "longing for camels" and related to Vedic har-, "to like", and perhaps (though ambiguous) also to Avestan zara-.
"with yellow camels" parallel to younger Avestan zairi-.hum! Zoroaster seems like a stranger from country with camels!
and that
wikipedia
In English, an adherent of the faith commonly refers to himself or herself as a Zoroastrian or as a Zarathustrian. An older, but still widespread expression is Behdin, meaning "follower of Daena", for which "Good Religion" is one translation.but daena, in arabic, means "who call us".
and that, in hearsays reported by iranian tabari
wikipedia
Citing the authority of the 8th-century al-Kalbi, the 9th- and 10th-century historian al-Tabari (i.64 reports that Zaradusht bin Isfiman (an Arabic adaptation of "Zarathustra Spitama" was an inhabitant of Palestine, and a servant of one of the disciples of the prophet Jeremiah. According to this tale, Zaradusht defrauded his master, who cursed him, causing him to become leprous (cf. Elisha's servant Gehazi in Jewish Scripture). The apostate Zaradusht then eventually made his way to Balkh (present day Afghanistan) where he converted Bishtasb (i.e. Vishtaspa), who in turn compelled his subjects to adopt the religion of the Magians. Recalling other tradition, al-Tabari (i.681?683) recounts that Zaradusht accompanied a Jewish prophet to Bishtasb/Vishtaspa. Upon their arrival, Zaradusht translated the sage's Hebrew teachings for the king and so convinced him to convert (Tabari also notes that they had previously been Sabis) to the Magian religion.it is the kind of "hearsays" where brother pazuzu would probably be able to separate the grain from the chaff and compare with other hearsay that says that it was a certain Yeshua Bin Nun who accmpagned Moses in the trip related in quran in sourate el kahf (confluent of the two seas). In that quranic trip, bani israel were not accompagning Moses and the "unknown" young man.
all this seems very complicated.
Peace
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Salaam,
Yeah, it is complicated because we are about to make a breakthrough in unwinding a long era of falsehood and lies and deliberate changes that the history seems feasible with traditional understanding.
God bless you
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In mainstream archaeology and anthropology Exodus is considered for the most part fictional. The closest account in history to match Exodus is the Eviction of the Hyksos shortly after the Thera Eruption. Mount Sinai is most likely in reference or modeled after the Thera eruption to which would have been visible to the entire region of Levant. This includes as far East as Israel. It is the volcanic event in which triggered the collapse of the Bronze Age, and caused the turmoil in Egypt described in Exodus. However the story of Exodus is likely embellished give most of it is considered fiction such as Moses leading hundreds of thousands of people out of Egypt..
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Salaam,
No I do not believe that the events were fictional. The reason little physical evidence exists is because it was so long ago and also that people have been looking in the wrong location and for the wrong things.
God bless you
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Salaam,
No I do not believe that the events were fictional. The reason little physical evidence exists is because it was so long ago and also that people have been looking in the wrong location and for the wrong things.
God bless you
And yet we can find evidence to actual event far less impressive from thousands 30,000 years ago of human activity.. This has been highly investigated in terms of archaeology throughout the region in question, and such a mass exodus of people from Egypt would have lefts a very heavy trail of evidence.. Saying there is so little physical evidence is hugely and understatement. Exodus wasn't complete fictional as it's based on the Thera Eruption, but how the story is told is entirely fictional. And saying they are looking in the wrong locations at this point is just making excuses / Everyone knows by now it's about the Thera Eruption, that is where all the physical evidence points to, and the only people who were evicted were the Hyksos because the Eruption of Thera resulted in the collapse of their reign in Egypt. Those are the people mentioned in Exodus, and it would not have been 100's of thousands of people, a massive chunk of Egypt's population. What likely happened was that these Hyksos wrote the story of Exodus and embellished it to not only be in defiance of those who evicted them as much of the story of Exodus is anti-Egyptian propaganda to which includes the embellishment of slavery. And interestingly enough, the hallmark of the Hyksos is to move to a region and use patron GOD's to create their own by equating them such as they did with seth, Ba'al, and the moon god Sin in Egypt. It's no surprise that we find Yahweh being equated to the moon god sin, the Asiatic god of the Hyksos with the Canaanite deity El Shaddai. The Hyksos may have joined the tribes of the Shasu in their eviction, and in particular the Shasu of YHW. This is all speculation, but not long after the their eviction from Egypt do we find the rise of Yahwism in Canaan along the Shasu enclave.
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Salaam,
You need to consider this was relatively long ago and I think the population that left was not that enormous maybe only a few hundreds up to a thousand or two. Just a guess but I still think it was not a huge population. The numbers you see in the Bible are likely very exaggerated numbers but yet you see the Earth was pretty scarcely populated compared with today's numbers.
Anyway, the probable reason no one found any trace is because they looked in the wrong location. They likely raced on far east (or turned south as according to Pazuzu), anxious to get as far away from their "prison" as possible. I cannot think they went to today's Israel because it is too close to Egypt, they would risk revenge attacks even if the Egyptians were crippled by a dead Pharaoh, and the Palestinians (Phillistines) would not made it easy or likely for them to settle down. They either went on east or south from there, but no matter what they wandered the deserts of Arabia for some years due to disobedience. They met people (Palestinians I suppose) who worshiped statues/idols, so I think they ignored that place and kept wandering.
There were events with eruptions mentioned in the Bible and some of them were probably triggered by God directly to punish them and you also see real life traces of those eruption events. The Earth opened up and swallowed quite some of Moses' people.
This does not answer the topic of the thread though but might be worth mentioning. It would seem a bit weird if Moses people went to Mount Sinai in Ethiopia when they first crossed the waters and then went up in the mountains of Sinai.
God bless you
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Salaam,
You need to consider this was relatively long ago and I think the population that left was not that enormous maybe only a few hundreds up to a thousand or two. Just a guess but I still think it was not a huge population. The numbers you see in the Bible are likely very exaggerated numbers but yet you see the Earth was pretty scarcely populated compared with today's numbers.
Anyway, the probable reason no one found any trace is because they looked in the wrong location. They likely raced on far east (or turned south as according to Pazuzu), anxious to get as far away from their "prison" as possible. I cannot think they went to today's Israel because it is too close to Egypt, they would risk revenge attacks even if the Egyptians were crippled by a dead Pharaoh, and the Palestinians (Phillistines) would not made it easy or likely for them to settle down. They either went on east or south from there, but no matter what they wandered the deserts of Arabia for some years due to disobedience. They met people (Palestinians I suppose) who worshiped statues/idols, so I think they ignored that place and kept wandering.
There were events with eruptions mentioned in the Bible and some of them were probably triggered by God directly to punish them and you also see real life traces of those eruption events. The Earth opened up and swallowed quite some of Moses' people.
This does not answer the topic of the thread though but might be worth mentioning. It would seem a bit weird if Moses people went to Mount Sinai in Ethiopia when they first crossed the waters and then went up in the mountains of Sinai.
God bless you
Volcanoes are not triggered by Gods. We know what causes them here in the 21st Century as where they did not.. And if you read the Psalms, the deity is described as both the spirit of the volcano and the volcano itself. Exodus isn't much different. They literally believed the eruption and the volcano was God, and I can't really blame them for it as they are among the rare few who have ever, if ever entirely, witnessed a super volcanic eruption. And if I had saw that myself in that Era, I probably would have believed it to have been god to. Thera exploded with so much force due to sea water getting into the magma chamber, and not because a god made it happen. And it won't be the last super volcanic eruption we will see either. Yellow Stone being probably at the top of the list..
However, it is most likely the Hyksos who lost power in Egypt and who portrayed themselves as slaves rather than the rulers who's reign of power came to an end around 1560 BC. They are the ones that should be looked at in regards to the people who left Egypt.