is Sinai in Ethiopia ?
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Salaam
During the exile, a strange story happened. Let Bible speaks
Numbers 121
New International Version (NIV)
Miriam and Aaron Oppose Moses12 Miriam and Aaron began to talk against Moses because of his Cushite wife, for he had married a Cushite. 2 ?Has the Lord spoken only through Moses?? they asked. ?Hasn?t he also spoken through us?? And the Lord heard this.
and let wikipedia speaks http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cushi
Etymology
"Cush" is the name of an ancient ethnic group who come from the land of Cush (Today's Sudan, and practically the entire southern Egypt, though some scholars point to the Beta Israel Ethiopian Jewry as remnants of the 'Cushite' tribe).
Where did Moses found the cushite women he married with ?
In the sinai desert (rotfl)? Among the bani israel escaped from Firaoun (rotfl)I think i have an idea in wich Moses had a big choice between many cushite women
Peace
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Salaam
http//atlas.geo.cornell.edu/oman/images/Al-Lazki2002_fig1.gif
Perhaps cheikh dukhani is not right.
according to this tectonic map, there is two possible "majmaa bahrein" (confluent of seas) in wich tectonic events could have divided see in two.
the first one is between ethiopia and yemen
the second is between actual emirates and Iran.i am sure Nassara are persians.
But Jewish traces are visible in ethiopia.Sinai (place where Bani were exiled 40 sanaton after the dividing sea) is ethiopia or iran ?
Really, i don't know. I cannot decide.It is still possible however for me that nephew of moses went to Iran while bani israel were in ethiopia.
i like very much the allegoric images of sea (of words and water) of God who separates and after crash against each other during many centuries.
i am troubled.
Peace
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Salaam friend noshirk,
Did you believe in my theory or at least parts of it?
The Ghalilee in my theory would be the region around the Persian gulf. Pharisees would be the region north part of the Persian Gulf. The man called Jesus in the New Testament, no matter who he was or when he lived, traveled across the Persian Gulf to Gadarenes (Qatar) to preach the Message. He might has well been in Oman (or Ethiopia in your theory).
The answer to your question is that the Jews (or people of Israel) were occupying the whole regions around this gulf. So no wonder you find traces of them even on the Arabian Peninsula.
I still think that Moses crossed the Red Sea and then went on steadily towards east. The idol worshiping people Moses and his people saw where his people mentioned that they should carve idols like them so that they could worship and Moses said they were ignorant, that was probably the Palestinian people (Phillistines) who was a much bigger people back then and stretched more south I am sure.
I am glad if you locate the true Mount Sinai and I think it is not the traditional mountain. I think they passed today's mount Sinai and then went up in the high mountain range slightly south.
And when they were disobeying God and exiled to 40 sanaton they were wandering the deserts of the Arabian Peninsula I am sure of. It seems clear that it was a desert area they wandered.
That you find "Jewish traces" in Ethiopia (traditional location?) might be that some of the people who moved with Moses gave up and went back, can that be?
God bless you
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Salaam friend noshirk,
Did you believe in my theory or at least parts of it?
salaam
only parts.
Issa is for me nephew of Moses. it is a quranic fact for me.
i don't why brother pazuzu seems reluctant to accept this.Phonetic comparison between Fars and pharisee is troubling. Why not ?
wikipedia
Following *Zarantu?tra- are
"with old/aging camels" related to Avestic zarant-. (cf. Pashto z and Ossetic z?rond, "old"; Old Persian zl, "old"
"with angry/furious camels" from Avestan *zarant-, "angry, furious".
Following *Zaratu?tra- are
" golden camel" this is derived from old Eastern Iranian word *zar- for gold and ushtra for camel, further corresponding to an Eastern Iranian origin (the Old Persian word dar as a Western-Iranian dialect would be the equal term of Eastern Iranian zar; Modern Persian uses the Eastern Iranian word for gold).
"who is driving camels" or "who is fostering/cherishing camels" related to Avestan zar?-, "to drag".
Mayrhofer (1977) proposed an etymology of "who is desiring camels" or "longing for camels" and related to Vedic har-, "to like", and perhaps (though ambiguous) also to Avestan zara-.
"with yellow camels" parallel to younger Avestan zairi-.hum! Zoroaster seems like a stranger from country with camels!
and that
wikipedia
In English, an adherent of the faith commonly refers to himself or herself as a Zoroastrian or as a Zarathustrian. An older, but still widespread expression is Behdin, meaning "follower of Daena", for which "Good Religion" is one translation.but daena, in arabic, means "who call us".
and that, in hearsays reported by iranian tabari
wikipedia
Citing the authority of the 8th-century al-Kalbi, the 9th- and 10th-century historian al-Tabari (i.64 reports that Zaradusht bin Isfiman (an Arabic adaptation of "Zarathustra Spitama" was an inhabitant of Palestine, and a servant of one of the disciples of the prophet Jeremiah. According to this tale, Zaradusht defrauded his master, who cursed him, causing him to become leprous (cf. Elisha's servant Gehazi in Jewish Scripture). The apostate Zaradusht then eventually made his way to Balkh (present day Afghanistan) where he converted Bishtasb (i.e. Vishtaspa), who in turn compelled his subjects to adopt the religion of the Magians. Recalling other tradition, al-Tabari (i.681?683) recounts that Zaradusht accompanied a Jewish prophet to Bishtasb/Vishtaspa. Upon their arrival, Zaradusht translated the sage's Hebrew teachings for the king and so convinced him to convert (Tabari also notes that they had previously been Sabis) to the Magian religion.it is the kind of "hearsays" where brother pazuzu would probably be able to separate the grain from the chaff and compare with other hearsay that says that it was a certain Yeshua Bin Nun who accmpagned Moses in the trip related in quran in sourate el kahf (confluent of the two seas). In that quranic trip, bani israel were not accompagning Moses and the "unknown" young man.
all this seems very complicated.
Peace
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Salaam,
Yeah, it is complicated because we are about to make a breakthrough in unwinding a long era of falsehood and lies and deliberate changes that the history seems feasible with traditional understanding.
God bless you
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In mainstream archaeology and anthropology Exodus is considered for the most part fictional. The closest account in history to match Exodus is the Eviction of the Hyksos shortly after the Thera Eruption. Mount Sinai is most likely in reference or modeled after the Thera eruption to which would have been visible to the entire region of Levant. This includes as far East as Israel. It is the volcanic event in which triggered the collapse of the Bronze Age, and caused the turmoil in Egypt described in Exodus. However the story of Exodus is likely embellished give most of it is considered fiction such as Moses leading hundreds of thousands of people out of Egypt..
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Salaam,
No I do not believe that the events were fictional. The reason little physical evidence exists is because it was so long ago and also that people have been looking in the wrong location and for the wrong things.
God bless you
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Salaam,
No I do not believe that the events were fictional. The reason little physical evidence exists is because it was so long ago and also that people have been looking in the wrong location and for the wrong things.
God bless you
And yet we can find evidence to actual event far less impressive from thousands 30,000 years ago of human activity.. This has been highly investigated in terms of archaeology throughout the region in question, and such a mass exodus of people from Egypt would have lefts a very heavy trail of evidence.. Saying there is so little physical evidence is hugely and understatement. Exodus wasn't complete fictional as it's based on the Thera Eruption, but how the story is told is entirely fictional. And saying they are looking in the wrong locations at this point is just making excuses / Everyone knows by now it's about the Thera Eruption, that is where all the physical evidence points to, and the only people who were evicted were the Hyksos because the Eruption of Thera resulted in the collapse of their reign in Egypt. Those are the people mentioned in Exodus, and it would not have been 100's of thousands of people, a massive chunk of Egypt's population. What likely happened was that these Hyksos wrote the story of Exodus and embellished it to not only be in defiance of those who evicted them as much of the story of Exodus is anti-Egyptian propaganda to which includes the embellishment of slavery. And interestingly enough, the hallmark of the Hyksos is to move to a region and use patron GOD's to create their own by equating them such as they did with seth, Ba'al, and the moon god Sin in Egypt. It's no surprise that we find Yahweh being equated to the moon god sin, the Asiatic god of the Hyksos with the Canaanite deity El Shaddai. The Hyksos may have joined the tribes of the Shasu in their eviction, and in particular the Shasu of YHW. This is all speculation, but not long after the their eviction from Egypt do we find the rise of Yahwism in Canaan along the Shasu enclave.
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Salaam,
You need to consider this was relatively long ago and I think the population that left was not that enormous maybe only a few hundreds up to a thousand or two. Just a guess but I still think it was not a huge population. The numbers you see in the Bible are likely very exaggerated numbers but yet you see the Earth was pretty scarcely populated compared with today's numbers.
Anyway, the probable reason no one found any trace is because they looked in the wrong location. They likely raced on far east (or turned south as according to Pazuzu), anxious to get as far away from their "prison" as possible. I cannot think they went to today's Israel because it is too close to Egypt, they would risk revenge attacks even if the Egyptians were crippled by a dead Pharaoh, and the Palestinians (Phillistines) would not made it easy or likely for them to settle down. They either went on east or south from there, but no matter what they wandered the deserts of Arabia for some years due to disobedience. They met people (Palestinians I suppose) who worshiped statues/idols, so I think they ignored that place and kept wandering.
There were events with eruptions mentioned in the Bible and some of them were probably triggered by God directly to punish them and you also see real life traces of those eruption events. The Earth opened up and swallowed quite some of Moses' people.
This does not answer the topic of the thread though but might be worth mentioning. It would seem a bit weird if Moses people went to Mount Sinai in Ethiopia when they first crossed the waters and then went up in the mountains of Sinai.
God bless you
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Salaam,
You need to consider this was relatively long ago and I think the population that left was not that enormous maybe only a few hundreds up to a thousand or two. Just a guess but I still think it was not a huge population. The numbers you see in the Bible are likely very exaggerated numbers but yet you see the Earth was pretty scarcely populated compared with today's numbers.
Anyway, the probable reason no one found any trace is because they looked in the wrong location. They likely raced on far east (or turned south as according to Pazuzu), anxious to get as far away from their "prison" as possible. I cannot think they went to today's Israel because it is too close to Egypt, they would risk revenge attacks even if the Egyptians were crippled by a dead Pharaoh, and the Palestinians (Phillistines) would not made it easy or likely for them to settle down. They either went on east or south from there, but no matter what they wandered the deserts of Arabia for some years due to disobedience. They met people (Palestinians I suppose) who worshiped statues/idols, so I think they ignored that place and kept wandering.
There were events with eruptions mentioned in the Bible and some of them were probably triggered by God directly to punish them and you also see real life traces of those eruption events. The Earth opened up and swallowed quite some of Moses' people.
This does not answer the topic of the thread though but might be worth mentioning. It would seem a bit weird if Moses people went to Mount Sinai in Ethiopia when they first crossed the waters and then went up in the mountains of Sinai.
God bless you
Volcanoes are not triggered by Gods. We know what causes them here in the 21st Century as where they did not.. And if you read the Psalms, the deity is described as both the spirit of the volcano and the volcano itself. Exodus isn't much different. They literally believed the eruption and the volcano was God, and I can't really blame them for it as they are among the rare few who have ever, if ever entirely, witnessed a super volcanic eruption. And if I had saw that myself in that Era, I probably would have believed it to have been god to. Thera exploded with so much force due to sea water getting into the magma chamber, and not because a god made it happen. And it won't be the last super volcanic eruption we will see either. Yellow Stone being probably at the top of the list..
However, it is most likely the Hyksos who lost power in Egypt and who portrayed themselves as slaves rather than the rulers who's reign of power came to an end around 1560 BC. They are the ones that should be looked at in regards to the people who left Egypt.