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Miracle of the Word Day: Historical proofs that the Quran originates from God.

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    Salaam everyone,

    I published yesterday several very important articles that provide breakthrough discoveries regarding the mathematical miracle of the Quran, especially, but not only, regarding the way the word "day" is coded in the Quran.
    The magnitude of the discoveries speak for themselves and prove that the Quran originates from God Almighty.
    This is not numerology, I insist, and I made sure that anyone can verify the miracles by themselves.
    Please read attentively the articles and you will see that we have reached a new dimension regarding the miracle of the Quran.
    You will realize that all those who have thus far denied the fact that the Quran is coded mathematically in a divine manner were wrong, and were misleading people.
    I suggest that you read at least these 2 articles, although others on islamrevolution.org also provide similar proofs
    Miracle of the Word Day http//www.islamrevolution.org/miracleofthewordday.htm
    Land/Sea Ratio http//www.islamrevolution.org/landsearatio.htm

    These two articles are important because they use a similar proven technique to identify miracles.
    It is a Quranic breakthrough.
    I pray that it will help people who are in doubt, or in denial regarding Islam. I also pray that people who have rejected the miracle of the Quran thus far will reevaluate their beliefs, because what is presented is really very heavy.

    God bless you.

    Pierre

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      Amazing!

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        Amazing!

        Salaam brother,

        I am glad to see that the articles are receiving very positive feedback, and not just from you.
        The first time I witnessed the phenomena I fell in prostration, and repeatedly as I witnessed more.
        Even more unbelievable there are several profound signs already identified that all work with exactly the same proven method of counting and same principles. (Miracle of the word day, solar/lunar ratio, lan/sea ratio They all follow the same pattern, and are all amazing; the miracle of the word "day" is even more special, it is... I have no word to define it.

        Pierre

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          Peace,

          Worth pondering upon.

          Some of the details look really fascinating.

          Regards

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            Amazing and important findings, elegantly presented!

            Thank you!

            sun

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              Interesting.

              I need more study time but I'll be back to this topic.

              Very interesting on the surface but I need more time to scrutinize this.

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                Okay I'm back to throw my skepticism at your claims.

                Okay first off you started with this disclaimer

                'This is not numerology, I insist.'

                You then proceed to link me to 2 articles that are filled with page upon page of what is clearly numerology. I can tell a woman that "I'm not ugly and poor, I insist" but the instant she looks at my face and my checking account she can see my statement is a blatant untruth.

                Now first off the fact that the only way the word "Day" occurs 365 times is if you qualify it by only using the simple singular form is subject. If you have to qualify and be selective about how you choose to count the word I would hardly call that an obvious miracle.

                Furthermore it would have been more of a "miracle" if the Qur'an had actually got the accuracy of the Gregorian calendar precisely correct at 365.25 days per year. Does Allah not know about leap years?

                A more obvious "miracle" would have been if Allah simply wrote in the Qur'an "Verily, the length of a solar year is 365.25 days."

                The rest of the article just gets into vague, tedious, and bothersome numerology that can be derived in many texts using such selective methodology and which doesn't even have a purpose except to show mathematical equivalents. Nothing miraculous. I've had enough numerology with the 19 nonsense.

                Now for the 2nd article.

                • As usual every time an article is written on this website which involves counting words in the Quran, it is very important to precise that there is a specific way of counting words in Arabic, as only simple singular forms (or generic forms) are taken into account (unless we specifically deal with counting plurals). For instance, every time a possessive pronoun is attached to a word, it is discarded in the count since it is no more a simple form.

                Sigh.... If the only way you can make this prophecy or miracle work is if you selectively count which forms of the word to include, I can hardly call this a miracle. Anyone can do that and it's not impressive to me.

                In addition the way you had to modify "dry sea" to mean "land" is just another example of the selective nature of this so called "miracle". Furthermore none of the numerical values were exact. Is Allah incapable of pinpoint precision?

                Not that I think any of this has any substance or relevance anyway. Even if I thought this code or word count was in any way significant, it offers me as a human being nothing in terms of spiritual benefit. Someone who doubts the Qur'an will probably ignore it and someone who already believes in the Qur'an's divinity gains nothing.

                Once again all you did was selectively choose word forms that would prove your point. The rest is more numerology bunk and I would hardly call any type of numerology a "miracle". I remain a strong skeptic.

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                  Thank you @Faithful Jinn for your input.

                  I follow your posts very diligently and they mean a great deal to me since you are on a much higher spiritual level then I am. I hope your posts can help me not to fall into unnecessary traps.

                  I had problems with the article on the "Night of Decree".
                  Now, I had difficulty in discerning when would the 27th of the 9th month fall this year, because there is a lot of controversy as to when does the Hijrah year start and when is Ramadan?

                  http//www.aididsafar.com/hijrah.html (Hijrah fallacy)
                  http//www.aididsafar.com/fast.html (Ramadan Rituals)

                  and
                  The Islamic Jewish Calendar
                  How the Pilgrimage of the 9th of Av became the Hajj of the 9th of Dhu'al-Hijjah.
                  http//www.eretzyisroel.org/~jkatz/The%20Islamic%20Jewish%20Calendar.pdf

                  So, I could not figure out how can we know the date when would the Night of Decree be this 2012 year in our western calendar?

                  Not that I think any of this has any substance or relevance anyway. Even if I thought this code or word count was in any way significant, it offers me as a human being nothing in terms of spiritual benefit. Someone who doubts the Qur'an will probably ignore it and someone who already believes in the Qur'an's divinity gains nothing.

                  I agree with this. sun

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                    You then proceed to link me to 2 articles that are filled with page upon page of what is clearly numerology. I can tell a woman that "I'm not ugly and poor, I insist" but the instant she looks at my face and my checking account she can see my statement is a blatant untruth.
                    Now first off the fact that the only way the word "Day" occurs 365 times is if you qualify it by only using the simple singular form is subject. If you have to qualify and be selective about how you choose to count the word I would hardly call that an obvious miracle.

                    Salaam Faithful-jinn,
                    The Quran is designed according to a precise and consistent way of counting.
                    Using this precise and consistent way of counting (Simple forms (singular or plural) are taken into account) the word ?day? occurs 365 times. That may have been a coincidence, why not, but the word ?days? occurs 30 times, and the word month 12 times.

                    Furthermore it would have been more of a "miracle" if the Qur'an had actually got the accuracy of the Gregorian calendar precisely correct at 365.25 days per year. Does Allah not know about leap years?
                    A more obvious "miracle" would have been if Allah simply wrote in the Qur'an "Verily, the length of a solar year is 365.25 days."
                    The rest of the article just gets into vague, tedious, and bothersome numerology that can be derived in many texts using such selective methodology and which doesn't even have a purpose except to show mathematical equivalents. Nothing miraculous. I've had enough numerology with the 19 nonsense.

                    The Quran uses averages (365 days, 30 days) because God knows how long the world will last and over a long period of time the length of the Solar calendar (365.2425 days) would evolve. On the other hand, the averages He chooses are in my opinion designed to remain the same until the end of the world.
                    What the article ?miracle of the Word day? shows is that behind the 365 day system, and despite the main system being based on the average of 365 words ?day?, the ratio based on gematrical values between 365 words day and the first 354 words day reflects an amazingly close ratio between an actual length of a solar year (365.2425 days) and a lunar year (354.36708 days) since the actual gematrical values of what the word ?day? (discarding conjunctions and prepositions since they do not reflect a ?day?) is exactly
                    22781/22103 = 1.03067?
                    365.2425 /354.36708 = 1.03068?

                    Just dividing 365/354 days, you are very far from the same level of accuracy as you only get
                    365/354 = 1.031073.
                    Regarding the actual count of the 365 gematrical values of the word ?day?, if you do not discard the conjunctions and prepositions you get
                    24085/23289 = 1.03417? An absolutely meaningless ratio when it comes to depict the accuracy between a solar and lunar year.
                    So, can you explain to me how we get from 365/354 = 1.031073 to 22781/22103 = 1.03067?(a ratio based on whole numbers !), when it takes very precise decimal number (365.2425 /354.36708 = 1.03068?) to achieve the same level of precision?
                    You have the right to say that it is just a huge coincidence, but why would it be then specifically in such a crucial system as the 365 words day system?
                    The Quran proclaims that it is a ?protected book? (567 and this remarkably accurate ratio is designed to be a powerful sign in this regard.
                    Furthermore the calculations are based on gematrical values and what allows the ratio of 1.03067 is the differential in gematrical values between 22781 and 22103.
                    Subtracting the two numbers you get 22781 ? 22103 = 678, which is a gematrical value and sign designed to test the sincerity of people, since it is the gematrical value of 5678 "in a protected book".
                    In addition the gematrical of the 365 words day system send a warning related to number 19
                    22781 = 19 x 1199 (GV of 7450 ?It is as if they are scared away like zebras?, GV 1199).
                    7450 is a famous verse that has been used for many years by people who believe that 19 is a mathematical sign in the Quran to qualify those who reject the sign of 19, so it is up to anyone to judge. Would it be another ?coincidence?, or is it a divine warning?
                    All what has just been described is emblematic of how the Quran functions
                    God manifests signs that are going to increase the faith of the sincere, while those who are not will choose to deny them and will denigrate proofs that should instill fear and reverence towards God Almighty.
                    Again the article on the word ?day? that is referred to can be read @ http//www.islamrevolution.org/miracleofthewordday.htm
                    All details regarding gematrical values are provided for people to be able to verify if it is a hoax or a genuine sign from God.
                    Also, it is extremely important to point at that the 365/354 words day ratio confirms that the Quran acknowledges a 365 day calendar, as well as a pure 354 day lunar calendar with no intercalation. That also exposes the theories advocated by Freeminds that deny it.
                    (105) He is the one who made the sun a shining light and the moon a light, and assigned to it phases, that you may know the number of years and how to calculate. God did not create that except in truth. He explains the signs for people who know.

                    Now for the 2nd article.
                    Sigh.... If the only way you can make this prophecy or miracle work is if you selectively count which forms of the word to include, I can hardly call this a miracle. Anyone can do that and it's not impressive to me.
                    In addition the way you had to modify "dry sea" to mean "land" is just another example of the selective nature of this so called "miracle". Furthermore none of the numerical values were exact. Is Allah incapable of pinpoint precision?
                    Not that I think any of this has any substance or relevance anyway. Even if I thought this code or word count was in any way significant, it offers me as a human being nothing in terms of spiritual benefit. Someone who doubts the Qur'an will probably ignore it and someone who already believes in the Qur'an's divinity gains nothing.
                    Once again all you did was selectively choose word forms that would prove your point. The rest is more numerology bunk and I would hardly call any type of numerology a "miracle". I remain a strong skeptic.

                    When you say that ?none of the numerical values were exact? could you provide any example?
                    I know the gematrical value system extremely well and I am on the contrary pretty sure that the counts are very accurate. So please provide specific any example if you can, otherwise it will only spread doubt in the minds of people who do not check for no reason, and it would be unfair if what you say is not true, and I think it is.
                    The land/sea ratio miracle has been well known for many years, and I am not the one who discovered it. The Quran is a book coded according to sound logic?
                    ?Dry sea? cannot possibly represent the actual coverage of water on earth, only real ?sea? can. It is a fact.
                    The Quranic researcher who first noticed that there are 32 words that represent the actual ?sea? and 13 words that represent (dry) ?Land? (Land = 28.9%, sea 71.1% based on words frequency) had no clue that by using the exact same technique that was used in the ?Miracle of the Word Day?, we would get a ratio regarding Land (28.8%) and Sea (71.2%) that is so incredibly similar. (current land sea ratio calculated by modern science is 29.2% (land) and 70.8% (sea).
                    Anyone has the right to call the above a ?coincidence?, I call it a divine design.
                    Again these ratios are based on WHOLE NUMBERS, still the level of accuracy is stunning.
                    As I said in the articles, people who are in denial will try to find ways to reject the proofs by saying things like ?Isn?t God capable of getting the exact ratio calculated by modern science??, when it is so obvious that the land /sea ratio evolves over time, and can therefore only be represented by close averages.
                    This is how God allows people to stray, as He could have designed such ratios to be 100% stable; but He has a plan, and part of that plan is to test people?s sincerity and separate them in different categories.

                    Peace.

                    Pierre

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                      Thank you @Faithful Jinn for your input.

                      I follow your posts very diligently and they mean a great deal to me since you are on a much higher spiritual level then I am. I hope your posts can help me not to fall into unnecessary traps.

                      I had problems with the article on the "Night of Decree".
                      Now, I had difficulty in discerning when would the 27th of the 9th month fall this year, because there is a lot of controversy as to when does the Hijrah year start and when is Ramadan?

                      http//www.aididsafar.com/hijrah.html (Hijrah fallacy)
                      http//www.aididsafar.com/fast.html (Ramadan Rituals)

                      and
                      The Islamic Jewish Calendar
                      How the Pilgrimage of the 9th of Av became the Hajj of the 9th of Dhu'al-Hijjah.
                      http//www.eretzyisroel.org/~jkatz/The%20Islamic%20Jewish%20Calendar.pdf

                      So, I could not figure out how can we know the date when would the Night of Decree be this 2012 year in our western calendar?

                      I agree with this. sun

                      Salaam Godsubmitter,

                      There is no issue regarding the Night of Decree.
                      The lunar calendar is a pure one without intercalation.
                      You take any lunar year, you select the 9th moon, and the 27th night. That's it.
                      I don't understand what you do not understand.
                      As for the article you pointed at, I read it, and it does not make any sense, as both as solar and a lunar calendars are in use in Islam as reflected by the Quran. Please read my previous post to Faithful Jinn.
                      Jews and therefore prophets have used a seven day week for millenniums and the day that is described as the day of gathering is the day right before the sabbath of the Jews. The word sabbath occurs 7 days in the Quran, reflecting the seven day rhythm that we inherited.
                      Salaat is not indexed on the lunar calendar as Aidid safar claims, but on the solar calendar, as we follow the movement of the sun to determine the times of prayer.
                      Ramadan and Hajj rely on the lunar calendar, we still pray during that time following a solar system.
                      As for the Hijrah calendar, Muslims never stopped praying, fasting and going to Hajj in accordance to a pure lunar calendar without intercalation in the time frame that Aidid Safar says the starting year for the Hijrah calendar had not yet been decided. God controls everything and it is normal that the Ummah decided a symbolic starting date. It never changed or affected the recurrence of the pure lunar calendar.
                      The articles you referred to are typical of people who try to reinvent Islam and end up completely out of touch with God's religion.
                      Peace and God bless you.

                      Pierre

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                        Thank you brother @6619 for your kind reply.

                        Will you be so kind as to write quite simply what is the date of the Night of Decree this year?

                        Like the Night of Decree is --date of ---- month 2012?

                        Thank you

                        Salam
                        peace

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                          Thank you brother @6619 for your kind reply.

                          Will you be so kind as to write quite simply what is the date of the Night of Decree this year?

                          Like the Night of Decree is --date of ---- month 2012?

                          Thank you

                          Salam
                          peace

                          Salaam Godsubmitter,

                          The date for the Night of Decree this year in the USA for instance (where I live), was August 14, that is to say last Tuesday night.
                          The first night of Ramadan started at sunset on July 19 at sunset. That makes August 14 the 27th night.
                          God bless you.

                          Pierre

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                            Salaam @6619,

                            Thank you for your quick reply.
                            So, it means it is the same as the official Islamic calendar like this one

                            http//www.islamicfinder.org/Hcal/index.php

                            God bless!

                            peace

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                              Salaam @6619,

                              Thank you for your quick reply.
                              So, it means it is the same as the official Islamic calendar like this one

                              http//www.islamicfinder.org/Hcal/index.php
                              U
                              God bless!

                              peace

                              Salaam,

                              Yes, it is the calendar in place, there is no need to reinvent Islam.
                              Peace.

                              Pierre

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                                Salaam,

                                do you think that Qur'an is setting the "universal" calendar aright?

                                What about God's instructions for the calendar before the appearance of the Qur'an, as chosen people of Israel got precise information about it in the Torah, and used it for cca some 2000 years?
                                Even today the Jews have 19th year soli-lunar adjustment year. )

                                Peace
                                peace

                                God bless sun

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                                  Peace 6619,

                                  Translate these, please no long gv calculations lets focus on words/meanings.

                                  Aama (trialing alif denotes for)
                                  snh
                                  snyn

                                  ywm day
                                  ayam days (prefix alif denotes plural)
                                  ayama for days (trialing alif denotes for)

                                  Also bear in mind here who the audience is and we need to use old Egyptian calendar which had seasons.
                                  1247 said you will plant seven snyn as usual so what you harvest so leave it in its ears only/except little from what you eat
                                  1248 furthermore comes from after that seven severe eat/consume what you advanced to them only/except little from what you stored
                                  1249 furthermore comes from after that Aam in it will be given succor/relief (i.e. flood returns) the mankind and in it they will press

                                  145 and surely We sent Moses with our signs that bring forth your people from the darkness to the light and remind them b-ayam in/of days The God indeed in that surely signs to each patient thankful

                                  2914 and surely We sent Noah to his tribe so he stayed amongst them thousand snh only fifty Aama so seized them the flood and they unjust

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                                    Salaam,

                                    do you think that Qur'an is setting the "universal" calendar aright?

                                    What about God's instructions for the calendar before the appearance of the Qur'an, as chosen people of Israel got precise information about it in the Torah, and used it for cca some 2000 years?
                                    Even today the Jews have 19th year soli-lunar adjustment year. )

                                    Peace
                                    peace

                                    God bless sun

                                    Salaam everyone,
                                    I posted a very short summary of the profound Quranic phenomenon associated with the word "day"
                                    http//www.islamrevolution.org/worddaysummary.htm
                                    The Quran clearly states that it takes both a solar and (pure) lunar calendar into account (105); the miracle of the word day confirms it in a divine manner, as explained very simply in the summary.
                                    God bless you all.

                                    Pierre

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