The One Who's Not God
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Sorry missed this part. It is Sura Baqra, Aya 255, popularly know as Ayat Al Kursi.
Regards
That's ok...
But brother you mis-used the aayat, let me show how.
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Why didn't you translate this red part in your reply#21? Can you please translate this complete part mentioned above . Thanks!
May Allah increase us in knowledge and guide us to His only path pr
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Salaam,
Thank you, I don't think the red part is correct.
What is according you the difference between God and Allah?
Salaam,
BenderBrother you are free to think whatever you like. However, description given for concept of the word god, is not mine. It is by religious, philosphers and scholars of the said language.
Conceptually, word Allah, as it is understood and as well, manifested by practice of religion of Islam today. I do not find any difference in concept. Difference is only in practice of mode and rituals of worship for the two.
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That's ok...
But brother you mis-used the aayat, let me show how.
2255 ...
Why didn't you translate this red part in your reply#21? Can you please translate this complete part mentioned above . Thanks!
May Allah increase us in knowledge and guide us to His only path pr
mmKhanAllah is not a deity for worship, except he
But let me decode for you fully, so you may percieve the depth of this sentence.( )
One who is not a deity for worship, does not at all belong to genus/specie of illah (deity for worship).This part of verse( ) after denying Allah as deity for worship is followed by "La" as a particle of negation, used here as " La-e- Nafee alJiins" due Nasab on illah. Illah here is not object of the sentence. But it is repeated to deny any and every such concept of deity for worship. Please contemplate.
Regards
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Allah is not a deity for worship, except he
But let me decode for you fully, so you may percieve the depth of this sentence.Thank you for your reply.
Can you please elaborate the first line? Who is "he"? As per your translations, it is cannot be Allah, because He is out of question when you say "Allah is not a deity for worship", then who is "he" and what means "except" in this sentence. Please clarify for me.
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One who is not a deity for worship, does not at all belong to genus/specie of illah (deity for worship).You again missed "illa huwa" brother.
Let me translate it in your way "One who is not a deity for worship, no deity for worship, except he". To me it makes not sense. Can you please put some light on this to explain. Thanks.
This part of verse( ) after denying Allah as deity for worship is followed by "La" as a particle of negation, used here as " La-e- Nafee alJiins" due Nasab on illah. Illah here is not object of the sentence. But it is repeated to deny any and every such concept of deity for worship. Please contemplate.
Regards
We are not going into grammar as for now, we just wanted to see how to make that sentence correct at the moment, we will go into grammar when needed later inshaAllah.
Thanks again for your reply,
May Allah guide us to His only path and increase us in knowledge pr
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You again missed "illa huwa" brother.
Please pay attention to part high lighted in red. You have your answer.
Thank you for your reply.
Can you please elaborate the first line? Who is "he"? As per your translations, it is cannot be Allah, because He is out of question when you say "Allah is not a deity for worship", then who is "he" and what means "except" in this sentence.
Brother, Who is he? I am surprised you put the verse below as your signature and yet you ask me who is he?
The word "except" relates to and what is said after describing what he is not in this verse.
Regards
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Please pay attention to part high lighted in red. You have your answer.
nope sorry, I did not get what you meant.
Brother, Who is he? I am surprised you put the verse below as your signature and yet you ask me who is he?
The word "except" relates to and what is said after describing what he is not in this verse.
Regards
Now you come up with another aayat and made more confusion. Will you please explain what is asked to you? Thanks.
Regards,
May Allah increase us in knowledge and guide us to His only path pr
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So you believe following are correct translations?
Yousuf Ali Allah! There is no god but He,-
Tahir Ul Qadri
Is it difficult for you to answer straight to me brother? Why you always twist and jump.
To me, "Allah" and "ilaha" is very well explained in 2760-64. Allah is the creator, maker and designer of all things that is mentioned in the aayaats given and it explains well when it says "a-ilaahun ma3a Allahi".
Tahir Qadri, I don't believe in his translation even lesser.
May Allah increase us in knowledge and guide us to His only path pr
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Brother when one becomes used to looking and accepting twisted things as correct. It becomes hard to see straight. Forget about Tahir ul Qadri. Do you believe Yousaf Ali is correct? If no bring the translation you believe is correct. I am not jumping, it is you who started to bring other verses and questions. Instead, of just talking about a three word sentence.
So please bring the translation of these three words that you understand and believe is correct, so we can continue a rationale discussion. Otherwise, you are free to believe whatever you like as always.
Regards
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ok folks, my dear fellow humans who are discussing this topic.... let's take a step back, cool our egos, and treat the matter at hand totally objectively with no emotions involved. I find this matter interesting, but it is starting to drift off topic, away from the grammar and language, and more towards emotions and persons. For everyone's sake, let's not make this thread another one about who said, meant, thought or did what. This forum already contains enough of that. Let's share knowledge, opinions and understanding about the Arabic language and its application. Keeping it objective and mature will let everyone benefit from it. The topic is quite interesting!
Peace and Cheers
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Brother when one becomes used to looking and accepting twisted things as correct. It becomes hard to see straight. Forget about Tahir ul Qadri. Do you believe Yousaf Ali is correct? If no bring the translation you believe is correct. I am not jumping, it is you who started to bring other verses and questions. Instead, of just talking about a three word sentence.
So please bring the translation of these three words that you understand and believe is correct, so we can continue a rationale discussion. Otherwise, you are free to believe whatever you like as always.
Regards
Red This is a clear lie on me. Lets see how it was done.
Reply # 21 You explained as per your understanding.
Reply # 22 I asked you, how will you translate if your explanation in reply # 21 is correct.
Reply # 23 You said "I shall fulfill your wish soon" and "Please point out any mistakes in above translation."
Reply # 24 I was waiting for the first part from above quote, and for the second part of your quote above, I asked "let me know where is that aayat you have quoted, please give me the sura and aayat."
Reply # 25 You translated the sentence asked in reply # 22 as ?Surely, One who is not a deity for worship, separates himself from all concepts of illah or god?
Reply # 30 You answered the question asked in reply # 24 as "It is Sura Baqra, Aya 255, popularly know as Ayat Al Kursi."
Reply # 34 I said "you mis-used the aayat, let me show how." you missed the red part and I asked "Can you please translate this complete part".
Reply # 36 You translated it as "Allah is not a deity for worship, except he".
Reply # 37 I asked "Can you please elaborate the first line? Who is "he"? As per your translations, it is cannot be Allah, because He is out of question when you say "Allah is not a deity for worship", then who is "he" and what means "except" in this sentence. Please clarify for me."
Reply # 38 You said "Brother, Who is he? I am surprised you put the verse below as your signature and yet you ask me who is he? The word "except" relates to and what is said after describing what he is not in this verse."
Reply # 39 I said "Now you come up with another aayat and made more confusion. Will you please explain what is asked to you? Thanks."
Reply # 40 You said "So you believe following are correct translations? Yousuf Ali Allah! There is no god but He,"
Reply # 41 I said "Is it difficult for you to answer straight to me brother? Why you always twist and jump."
Reply # 42 You replied "Brother when one becomes used to looking and accepting twisted things as correct. It becomes hard to see straight." and "I am not jumping, it is you who started to bring other verses and questions. Instead, of just talking about a three word sentence." and "So please bring the translation of these three words that you understand and believe is correct,"
Please note, it was not me who was jumping here and there, but you started with a translation of three words from a five words sentence, THEN you jumped to my signature, THEN you jumped to other's translations.
Did I asked you to bring what and how others translated it? nope I asked for your translation and I asked why you missed "illa huwa" from a sentence and giving your idea on a part of a sentence instead of taking it in full. What translation I believe in is not in question. The question is "why you took only three words from a five words sentence"? and "How will you translate the complete five words sentence with your understanding". Will you please now explain it to me! Thanks.
May Allah increase us in knowledge and guide us to His only path pr
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Reply # 36 You translated it as "Allah is not a deity for worship, except he".
Reply # 37 I asked "Can you please elaborate the first line? Who is "he"? As per your translations, it is cannot be Allah, because He is out of question when you say "Allah is not a deity for worship", then who is "he" and what means "except" in this sentence. Please clarify for me."
[mmKhan
Sorry the part in red is what I miss read/understood. My fault and my sincere apologies for this omission.
The "he" in this line is referring to one who has been discussed in first three words/sentence before it. It is a pronoun. It is just like if I were to say " Brother mmkhan, came into house, then he opened the fridge". Here pronoun "he" is used as pronoun to refer to something that has been described in sentence before. Hope this is clear.
Why this can not be Allah? It is referring to Allah meaning as "One who is not deity for worship". This is what I have explained by using both "Allah" as proper name as well with the break down of "Allah" not as a proper name.
Regards
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Sorry the part in red is what I miss read/understood. My fault and my sincere apologies for this omission.
The "he" in this line is referring to one who has been discussed in first three words/sentence before it. It is a pronoun. It is just like if I were to say " Brother mmkhan, came into house, then he opened the fridge". Here pronoun "he" is used as pronoun to refer to something that has been described in sentence before. Hope this is clear.
Why this can not be Allah? It is referring to Allah meaning as "One who is not deity for worship". This is what I have explained by using both "Allah" as proper name as well with the break down of "Allah" not as a proper name.
Regards
No need to apologize brother. Its OK, we all make mistakes so correcting it is enough handshake
If you say "he" is referring to "Allah" which is used in first part of this aayat, then how will you understand "except" or "illa"?
May Allah increase us in knowledge and guide us to His only path pr
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If you say "he" is referring to "Allah" which is used in first part of this aayat, then how will you understand "except" or "illa"?
May Allah increase us in knowledge and guide us to His only path pr
mmKhanI should have given a better and related example above. "bkanwar2, tries his best except sometimes he makes mistakes". The except in this verse describes what allah is in the following part of the verse after describing what he is not.
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I should have given a better and related example above. "bkanwar2, tries his best except sometimes he makes mistakes". The except in this verse describes what allah is in the following part of the verse after describing what he is not.
Thank you brother for your example.. now this will be translated as
The one who is not a deity for worship, no deity for worship, except the one who is not a deity for worship.
It is not making any sense to me. How else will you translate it? Can you please clarify. Thanks!
May Allah increase us in knowledge and guide us to His only path pr
mmKhan -
No brother, please look back for ease, here it is again. First with break down of orthographic script of Allah.
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One who is not a deity for worship, does not at all belong to genus/specie of illah (deity for worship), except he is........., in the space would be translation of the words that follow "illa" to complete. You have not asked for translation of those so far. If you want I can translate those as well.
This is accepting Allah as proper name.
Allah is not an Illah (a deity for worship), except he is........
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No brother, please look back for ease, here it is again. First with break down of orthographic script of Allah.
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One who is not a deity for worship, does not at all belong to genus/specie of illah (deity for worship), except he is........., in the space would be translation of the words that follow "illa" to complete. You have not asked for translation of those so far. If you want I can translate those as well.
This is accepting Allah as proper name.
Allah is not an Illah (a deity for worship), except he is........
Regards,Thanks. Will you please translate for me the complete sentence including "illa huwa" and brother please do not use any Arabic words in translation. Please translate all words of .
Regards,
mmKhan