Israel a grateful servant : He never was a prophet neither his progeny was
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Salam ,
I already mentioned this in other post so just to keep it in one separate post , i posted it in this category as this subject is connected to genealogy / progeny so to ethnology.
The Quran distinguish clearly between the progeny of Abrahim and the progeny of Israel
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19-58 Those were the ones upon whom Allah bestowed favor from among the prophets of the progeny of Adam and of those We carried with Noah, and of the progeny of Abraham and Israel, and of those whom We guided and chose. When the verses of the Most Merciful were recited to them, they fell in prostration and weeping.
The progeny of Abrahim is different from the progeny of Isra?l as The verse stated , they re simply not from the same linage this is why the Quran distinguish between them Who was Israel ?
The only glimpse in the Quran as i think about Israel is in this verse
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17-2 And We gave Moses the Scripture and made it a guidance for the Children of Israel that you not take other than Me as Disposer of affairs,
17-3 progeny of those We carried with Noah. Indeed, he was a grateful servant.Who's the one that the Al-Quran talk about here as being from progeny of those who was carried with Nuh/Noah , and who was a grateful servant ? Mussa/Moses or Israel ?
In my understanding the exsamination of the verse point to Isreal not Mussa/ Moses , simply because Mussa/ Moses is directly from the progeny of Nuh/Noah not from the ones that was carried with him in the ship .
If Mussa/ Moses was the one mentioned here as being a grateful servant the verse should be like this
17-2(...)
17-3 progeny of Nuh/Noah (..) not the progeny of who was carried out with Nuh/Noah(..)because Mussa/ Moses is from the progeny of Al-Imran , so simply he is from the progeny of Abrahim and then from the progeny of Nuh/ Noah , so he can not be the one mentioned in verse 17-3 as being from the progeny of who was carried with Nuh/Noah in the ship , because Mussa/Moses is directly from his progeny .
7-144He said "O Moses, I have chosen you over the people with My messages and My words . So take what I have given you and be among the grateful."
Mussa/Moses was one of the chosen ones because he is from the progeny of the chosen ones , who are they
3-33 Indeed, Allah chose Adam and Noah and the family of Abraham and the family of 'Imran over the Al-Aalimen
3-34 A progeny some of them from others. And Allah is Hearing and Knowing.3-33
Israel was a grateful servant from the progeny of who was carried with Nuh/Noah in the ship , being gratifull doens't mean thank you allah , but he used to give the excess (Al-aa'faw ) of everything Allah has provided him with , that's the meaning of being grateful (Al-shokrr ) , they twisted it up to mean meaningless words , being grateful (Al-shokrr ) is a work to do not words to say
34-13 They made for him what he willed of elevated chambers, statues, bowls like reservoirs, and stationary kettles. "Work, O family of David, in gratitude /shokra." And few of My servants are grateful.
I also according to my understanding from the above that there were no prophets and messengers from children of Israel but only from the progeny of the chosen ones (Adam , Nuh/Noah , family of Abrahim and family of Imran ) The family of the chosen ones prophets and messenger used to live within the family of the Favorited ones ( Children Of bani Israel )
I got that understanding from the verse below
5-20 And , when Moses said to his people, "O my people, remember the favor of Allah upon you when He appointed among you prophets and made you kings and gave you that which He had not given anyone among the worlds.
As you can notice the verse about the community of Moses who were bani Isreal , when it talks about being prophets it says he made among you , but when it talk about kingship it says he made you kings , where all of them kings ? surely not , but the expression is pointing that kings are from them mean are from bani Israel in the other hand the prophets mentioned in the verse as being among them simply because they are not from bani Israel as they are not from the progeny of Israel but from the progeny of (Adam , Nuh/Noah , family of Abrahim and family of Imran )
As for Al-Omyeen ( never received a book from Allah )whom Muhammed was from and as long as he received the revelation that's mean he is from the progeny of the chosen ones (Adam , Nuh/Noah , family of Abrahim and family of Imran ) but doesn't mean that all Al-Omyeen are from this progeny . the community of Al-Omyeen used to live closer to bani Israel this is why the verse asked him to ask them by mentioning their name not saying to him ask your community as Mussa/Moses did in 5-20
2-211 .
2-211 Ask the Children of Israel how many a sign of evidence We have given them. And whoever exchanges the favor of Allah after it has come to him - then indeed, Allah is severe in penalty.
For people who are interested in progeny , lineage and connections while doing historical and genealogy research
Here is a progeny from Adam and the progeny of Adnan and Qahtan , i am not claiming that anything there is correct but this is a comparative for researchers.
There are many glimpse there as to communities and names , as you can notice there is no mentioning of Israel among the progeny from (Adam , Nuh/Noah , family of Abrahim and family of Imran ) , also in the lineage of Al-Omyeen , the claim that Israel is Yaa'kub/Jacob is simply one of the big misleading lie , and i think that was done intenntionaly to claim prophet-hood and choosiness , The Quran mention that they were Favorited as a community above Al-aa'limen , and was promised with a blessed ( fertile) land as long as they keep up the covenant , and i think they were reaping the good way of conducts of their ancestor basically their father Israel and the ones who followed his step and surely among them were very good people . now what Al-Omyeen done after the death of Muhammed (p) is even worst , all the message that are in the Quran pointed to bani Israel is absolutely to be pointed to Al-Omyeen the community of Muhamed as they have done the same ,even worst, then what was Bani Israel asked to not do.
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Salam ,
somebody can helphow can i load photos ?
Regards
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Salaam AlKitaab,
Thanks for the post.
I totally agree Israel is not JacobBut there are a couple of things that per my understanding are not correct in your post.
InshaAllah I will be back to you soon after doing some rechecks for myself.if the photo?s are from internet then copy-paste the link then select the whole link then push the button "insert image", it's under the Bold button.
if it?s from your harddisk, I have no idea.Salaam,
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if the photo?s are from internet then copy-paste the link then select the whole link then push the button "insert image", it's under the Bold button.
if it?s from your harddisk, I have no idea.Salaam,
BenderSalam Bender ,
Welcome anytime for discussion , i'll look forward to know your thoughts about the above
Yes the photo is in the hard disk
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There are many glimpse there as to communities and names , as you can notice there is no mentioning of Israel among the progeny from (Adam , Nuh/Noah , family of Abrahim and family of Imran ) , also in the lineage of Al-Omyeen , the claim that Israel is Yaa'kub/Jacob is simply one of the big misleading lie , and i think that was done intenntionaly to claim prophet-hood and choosiness , The Quran mention that they were Favorited as a community above Al-aa'limen , and was promised with a blessed ( fertile) land as long as they keep up the covenant , and i think they were reaping the good way of conducts of their ancestor basically their father Israel and the ones who followed his step and surely among them were very good people . now what Al-Omyeen done after the death of Muhammed (p) is even worst , all the message that are in the Quran pointed to bani Israel is absolutely to be pointed to Al-Omyeen the community of Muhamed as they have done the same ,even worst, then what was Bani Israel asked to not do.
salam
i agree with main of this post.
I think that Israel was not a nabi nor a rassol but only elevated to this grade by lies of his progeny.
Bani Israel seems to be even jealous of bani Ibrahim and bani Imran, the true lineage of prophecy.There are many other questions
- Is Israel the only false prophet in old testament ?
- Are bani Israel the lineage of false prophets, claiming prophecy.
- who is mister israel ?
- Where are now, the true bani israel (10 tribes are lost in official jewish history) and where are bani israel mentionned in quran as comtemporary to Muhammed ?
Peace
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Salam ,
I already mentioned this in other post so just to keep it in one separate post , i posted it in this category as this subject is connected to genealogy / progeny so to ethnology.
The Quran distinguish clearly between the progeny of Abrahim and the progeny of Israel
19-58
19-58 Those were the ones upon whom Allah bestowed favor from among the prophets of the progeny of Adam and of those We carried with Noah, and of the progeny of Abraham and Israel, and of those whom We guided and chose. When the verses of the Most Merciful were recited to them, they fell in prostration and weeping.
Salaam brother,
1958 only talks about and not about of Israel.
As per my understanding Israel was not a single person same as Adam. Please check here about Adam. If he was, then why still Allah addresses in AlQuraan as when ya is used to address someone who is present now, and sons of Israel still on earth? How?
Same goes for Adam, he is not a single person.
Please take a look at similar bani Israel thread here.
May Allah increase us in knowledge and guide us to His true path pr
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Salaam brother,
1958 only talks about and not about of Israel.
Salam ,
Sorry to tell you that but the understanding you'r claiming about the verse above is incorrect in term of reasoning , the usage of the phonetic sound " w/And" in between Abrahim and Israel is to indicate "Al-aa'tf / Conjunctive " .
And "Al-aa'tf / conjunctive" require "Contraindication / "
Israel is conjunct-ed by the phonetic sound "w" to Abrahim for the subject of progeny , it's simply impossible through the correct straight reasoning of the Arabic ( Authentic / original ) tongue that the subject of progeny in the verse 1958 is linked to Abrahim only as you claimed , but it's linked to both Abrahim and Israel ,and the proof is the phonetic sound "w" , and as long as considering the "Al-aa'tf / conjunctive" witch is one of the rule of the usage of the phonetic sound "w" in the Arabic tongue it requires systematically "Contraindication / " mean in the verse we are studying that there is "Contraindication / " between the progeny of Abrahim and the progeny of Israel as they are simply not the same progeny .
The tongue in the Quran is from the most Knower the most wiser ( ) , hence the tongue in teh quran is free from any useless repetition or fillers . So it would be a sort of useless repetition if the verse said 1958 (.....) and of the progeny of Abraham and of the progeny of Israel (...) .
the verse simply used Al-hadf / Deletion of the word progeny in front of the word Israel simply to not droop into useless repetition and used a short wise phonetic "w" who indicate "Al-aa'tf / Conjunctive " , As simple as that friend.
As per my understanding Israel was not a single person same as Adam. Please check here about Adam. If he was, then why still Allah addresses in AlQuraan as when ya is used to address someone who is present now, and sons of Israel still on earth? How?
Same goes for Adam, he is not a single person.
Please take a look at similar bani Israel thread here.
May Allah increase us in knowledge and guide us to His true path pr
mmKhanExcuse me again to tell you brother but this understanding is simply sick understanding , there are hundreds of proof that district this 5-13 ( They change words from their context / ه and 3-7 ( They are looking to interpreted it / ه
These are not the "Ayats " that are subject to interpretation brother. if you do so what stops you to interpret Muhammed , Abrahim Mussa too , to not mean a single person but a group or i don't know what .
I didn't want to be offensive but this is out of correct reasoning .
As for the link you can check back what i posted weeks ago about that subject
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Salam ,
The progeny of Abrahim is different from the progeny of Isra?l as The verse stated , they re simply not from the same linage this is why the Quran distinguish between them Who was Israel ?Salaam brother,
Note that in the verse also the progeny of Adam is mentioned.
The only glimpse in the Quran as i think about Israel is in this verse
17-2/3
17-2 And We gave Moses the Scripture and made it a guidance for the Children of Israel that you not take other than Me as Disposer of affairs,
17-3 progeny of those We carried with Noah. Indeed, he was a grateful servant.Who's the one that the Al-Quran talk about here as being from progeny of those who was carried with Nuh/Noah , and who was a grateful servant ? Mussa/Moses or Israel ?
In my understanding the exsamination of the verse point to Isreal not Mussa/ Moses ,Why didn't you consider Nuh?
And Why did you only mark Israel red here and not Bani Israel?
I think there are only 2 possible scenario's for
if is reffering to a group then "thurriyata" is reffering to Bani Israel and Israel is not the name of a person but the collective name of those who where with Nuh.
if is reffering to a single person then "thurriyata" is still reffering to Bani Israel and Israel was a person among those who where saved with Nuh.simply because Mussa/ Moses is directly from the progeny of Nuh/Noah
Do you have evidence from The Quran for this?
Mussa/Moses was one of the chosen ones because he is from the progeny of the chosen ones , who are they
3-33 Indeed, Allah chose Adam and Noah and the family of Abraham and the family of 'Imran over the Al-Aalimen
3-34 A progeny some of them from others. And Allah is Hearing and Knowing.3-33
note that progeny in 334 is referring (to my understanding) to the ones and families of the ones mentioned in 333 and not to their progeny.
I also according to my understanding from the above that there were no prophets and messengers from children of Israel but only from the progeny of the chosen ones (Adam , Nuh/Noah , family of Abrahim and family of Imran ) The family of the chosen ones prophets and messenger used to live within the family of the Favorited ones ( Children Of bani Israel )
I got that understanding from the verse below
5-20 And , when Moses said to his people, "O my people, remember the favor of Allah upon you when He appointed among you prophets and made you kings and gave you that which He had not given anyone among the worlds.
As you can notice the verse about the community of Moses who were bani Isreal , when it talks about being prophets it says he made among you , but when it talk about kingship it says he made you kings , where all of them kings ? surely not , but the expression is pointing that kings are from them mean are from bani Israel in the other hand the prophets mentioned in the verse as being among them simply because they are not from bani Israel as they are not from the progeny of Israel but from the progeny of (Adam , Nuh/Noah , family of Abrahim and family of Imran )
Please read 2246-251
Was the nabi there from Bani Israel or not?
If you think that he wasn't from Bani Israel then how about Dawoed?
You can read about him that he fought also that war (2251) and that war was decreed for Bani Israel.Btw Why does The Quran give so much importance to Bani Israel? Note for example ayaat 240 it's directly after the story of Adam and the warning given 238-39.
When you read 240-46 do you feel adressed or do you think that it's only adressing some other people. Most think they are only the jews, even when most of the jews don't even read The Quran.
you in this last part is not you but general.Salaam,
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salam
i agree with main of this post.
I think that Israel was not a nabi nor a rassol but only elevated to this grade by lies of his progeny.
Bani Israel seems to be even jealous of bani Ibrahim and bani Imran, the true lineage of prophecy.There are many other questions
- Is Israel the only false prophet in old testament ?
- Are bani Israel the lineage of false prophets, claiming prophecy.
- who is mister israel ?
- Where are now, the true bani israel (10 tribes are lost in official jewish history) and where are bani israel mentionned in quran as comtemporary to Muhammed ?
Peace
Where on earth do you get this false prophets to do with Israel from???
45.16 We did aforetime grant to the Children of Israel the Book the Power of Command, and Prophethood; We gave them, for Sustenance, things good and pure; and We favoured them above the nations.
As Torah says too they were favoured by God because they were from Abrahams line through Isaac as I went through on the other Israel thread. GOD is saying the prophets are from this line and YOU claim they are the line of false prophets?? Seriously where do you get this from??
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Salam ,
Sorry to tell you that but the understanding you'r claiming about the verse above is incorrect in term of reasoning , the usage of the phonetic sound " w/And" in between Abrahim and Israel is to indicate "Al-aa'tf / Conjunctive " .
And "Al-aa'tf / conjunctive" require "Contraindication / "
Israel is conjunct-ed by the phonetic sound "w" to Abrahim for the subject of progeny , it's simply impossible through the correct straight reasoning of the Arabic ( Authentic / original ) tongue that the subject of progeny in the verse 1958 is linked to Abrahim only as you claimed , but it's linked to both Abrahim and Israel ,and the proof is the phonetic sound "w" , and as long as considering the "Al-aa'tf / conjunctive" witch is one of the rule of the usage of the phonetic sound "w" in the Arabic tongue it requires systematically "Contraindication / " mean in the verse we are studying that there is "Contraindication / " between the progeny of Abrahim and the progeny of Israel as they are simply not the same progeny .
They are the same descendants as Israel is a descendant of Abraham, hence the descendants of Abraham AND Israel and not Abraham and Nebajoth, Nebajoth was the first son of Ishmael. The line of prophethood was promised to the line of Abrahams son Isaac whose son was Jacob who was Israel, so same descendants for Israel as for Abraham as same family.
The tongue in the Quran is from the most Knower the most wiser ( ) , hence the tongue in teh quran is free from any useless repetition or fillers . So it would be a sort of useless repetition if the verse said 1958 (.....) and of the progeny of Abraham and of the progeny of Israel (...) .
the verse simply used Al-hadf / Deletion of the word progeny in front of the word Israel simply to not droop into useless repetition and used a short wise phonetic "w" who indicate "Al-aa'tf / Conjunctive " , As simple as that friend.
there is TONS of repetition on Quran, there are even verses saying 'oft repeated', look it up . The fact that those words are NOT repeated for progeny of Abraham and progeny of Israel shows they are the SAME progeny as if it repeated 'progeny' for both Abraham and Israel it would then be 2 different lines, not one.
Excuse me again to tell you brother but this understanding is simply sick understanding , there are hundreds of proof that district this 5-13 ( They change words from their context / ه and 3-7 ( They are looking to interpreted it / ه
sunni muslims say the verses for a woman to cover her 'bosom' means cover everything but one eye to see with, that is changing the words from their context but has it changed the words you read in Quran? Sunni muslims claim various things are haram and God told Muhammed in hadith, that is changing it 'with their tongues', is it actually changing anything that God really said in Quran?? While you continue to believe the sunni inventions regarding things being changed in the Torah itself you will continue searching in dark muddy waters. The Torah is the first 5 books of the OT, the rest and more added rabbanical laws are them changing it without touching the book itself, exactly like muslims do with hadith, fiqh, blah blah blah.
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Salam ,
Sorry to tell you that but the understanding you'r claiming about the verse above is incorrect in term of reasoning , the usage of the phonetic sound " w/And" in between Abrahim and Israel is to indicate "Al-aa'tf / Conjunctive " .
Salaam brother,
There is no problem if we disagree with each other, still we can be handshake. Let me explain you my understanding, inshaAllah.
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33 He has sent down upon you, the Book in truth, confirming what was before it. And He anzala/revealed AlTauraata and AlInjeela.As per your understand brother, AlTauraat and AlInjeel both are sent down or anzala in 33, right? But that is not the case.
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546 And We sent, following in their footsteps, Eisa, the son of Maryam, confirming that which came before him in AlTauraat; and We aataiyna/gave him AlInjeel, in which was guidance and light and confirming that which preceded it of AlTauraat as guidance and instruction for the righteous.AlInjeel was not sent down but was given , another reference
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5727 Then We sent following their footsteps Our messengers and followed with Jesus, the son of Mary, and aataina/gave him AlInjeel. And We placed in the hearts of those who followed him compassion and mercy and monasticism, which they innovated; We did not prescribe it for them except seeking the approval of Allah. But they did not observe it with due observance. So We gave the ones who believed among them their reward, but many of them are defiantly disobedient.If you find any clear aayat as I quoted above that AlInjeel was sent down, please let me know, I could not find such aayat.
Did you understand 33 now? That waw separates it. Same as in...
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332 Say, "Obey Allah and the Messenger." But if they turn away - then indeed, Allah does not like the disbelievers.Do you think this waw also relates AlRasool? If so, then how about 459?
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459 O you who have believed, obey Allah and obey the Messenger and those in authority among you. And if you disagree over anything, refer it to Allah and the Messenger, if you should believe in Allah and the Last Day. That is the best and best in result.Do you see the difference between 332 and 459 brother? Additional 'atii'oo/obey is missing in 332, why? Until you stop using your so called Arabic grammar rules, you will not understand what I am saying.
There are two waws in AlQuraan as and . One waw is separating waw and another with tashdeed is a relating waw.
Excuse me again to tell you brother but this understanding is simply sick understanding , there are hundreds of proof that district this 5-13 ( They change words from their context / ه and 3-7 ( They are looking to interpreted it / ه
These are not the "Ayats " that are subject to interpretation brother. if you do so what stops you to interpret Muhammed , Abrahim Mussa too , to not mean a single person but a group or i don't know what .
I didn't want to be offensive but this is out of correct reasoning .
That is OK brother. Why not Muhammed, Ibrahim and Musa are single person and not a group because of their usage in AlQuraan. Please see..
03035 - Imran's imraat .
11071 - Ibrahim's imraat .
19005 - Zachariyya's imraat .
66010 - Nooh's imraat .
66010 - Loot's imraat .
66011 - Firaun's imraat .04001 - Nafs's zauja .
07019 - Adam's zauja .
33053 - Allah's Rasool's zauja .
33059 - Nabi's zauja .Hope you understand what I am saying, again, it has nothing to do with grammar.
May Allah increase us in knowledge and guide us to His true path pr
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Please, read this quranic genealogy
335 When the wife of Imran said "My Lord, I have vowed to You what is in my womb, dedicated, so accept from me, You are the Hearer, the Knower."
so, biological mother of meriam was wife of imran.6612 And Mary, daughter of Imran, who maintained the chastity of her private part, so We blew into it from Our Spirit, and she believed in the words of her Lord and His Books; and she was of those who were dutiful.
so, miriam was daughter of imran, the husband of the wife of imran.1928 "O sister of Aaron, your father was not a wicked man, and your mother has never been unchaste!"
so miryam was sister of Aaron1953 And We granted him from Our mercy his brother Aaron as a prophet.
and aaron was brother of Moses. see also (19-53 ; 20-30 ;23-45 ;25-35 ;28-34)and amazingly, Bible says that Moses and aaron had a sister called meriem, that she was a prophetess, and that their father was called Imran.
No comments!
Peace
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Salaam brother,
There is no problem if we disagree with each other, still we can be handshake. Let me explain you my understanding, inshaAllah.
Salam ,
Stop this strategy its satanic .
If you find that i am offensive in this message its only a self defence as i read directly and indirectly your personal attack , i will surely can guaranty to you that i will never ever fight with you because you disagree with me , but i can't guaranty friendship or brotherhood in the system as long as we disagree between each other ( i am not a pretender here or claiming self superiority but i am 10000 % that we can't really become friend or brother if we disagree , i'am not assuming here that you should agree with me precisely but i mean in general about all members discussions in the forum) , we should come and overcome and have strong patient to come to an absolute agreement that's the goal , the concept of " disagrement do not spoil the intimacy" was one of the fabricated rules and culture during the Abbasid era at the time of the spread of false hadiths , the concept of disagreement on the system is strongly banned and refused by the Quran
2-213 Mankind was one Ommah ; then Allah sent the prophets as bringers of good tidings and warners and sent down with them the Scripture in truth to judge between the people concerning that in which they differed. And none differed over the Scripture except those who were given it - after the clear proofs came to them - out of jealous animosity among themselves. And Allah guided those who believed to the truth concerning that over which they had differed, by His permission. And Allah guides whom He wills to a straight path.
3-19 Indeed, the system in the sight of Allah is Islam. And those who were given the Scripture did not differ except after knowledge had come to them - out of jealous animosity between themselves. And whoever disbelieves in the verses of Allah , then indeed, Allah is swift in account.
You , me , all the people in the forum we are among "The people of the book " if you become a ruler or a governor and you keep on holding on the scripture you become "Those who received the book " , and if i become too among "Those who received the book " we are both asked to not disagree at all about what is on the book , we should be in a total agreement , in the contrary if i was or you were among other poeple scripture then disagrement ( variance) in the law ( Al-shariaa' ه is recongnised because the law ( Al-shariaa' ه do differ from poeple scripture to another.
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33 He has sent down upon you, the Book in truth, confirming what was before it. And He anzala/revealed AlTauraata and AlInjeela.As per your understand brother, AlTauraat and AlInjeel both are sent down or anzala in 33, right? But that is not the case.
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546 And We sent, following in their footsteps, Eisa, the son of Maryam, confirming that which came before him in AlTauraat; and We aataiyna/gave him AlInjeel, in which was guidance and light and confirming that which preceded it of AlTauraat as guidance and instruction for the righteous.AlInjeel was not sent down but was given , another reference
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5727 Then We sent following their footsteps Our messengers and followed with Jesus, the son of Mary, and aataina/gave him AlInjeel. And We placed in the hearts of those who followed him compassion and mercy and monasticism, which they innovated; We did not prescribe it for them except seeking the approval of Allah. But they did not observe it with due observance. So We gave the ones who believed among them their reward, but many of them are defiantly disobedient.If you find any clear aayat as I quoted above that AlInjeel was sent down, please let me know, I could not find such aayat.
Did you understand 33 now? That waw separates it. Same as in...
What about this
15-87 And We have certainly given ( Ataynak) you, seven of Matani and the great Qur'an.
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Muhammed was given the Quran , the arabic word used here is / Ataynak , the same word used for Ii'ssa ( son of Mary ) being given the Injeel in verse 5-46 . So as per your claim , Muhammed should not then be receiving the book but he was only given the book , what about the this verse then
20-2 We have not sent down to you the Qur'an that you be distressed
The word used here is " / Anzalna " so your claim is simply and clearly wrong , your claim collapse now and forever , and you better vomit what you have in your chest because it will make your understanding sick and your self will get contaminated , and you better not vomiting it in the forum as you will mislead people and it will remain in your account .
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332 Say, "Obey Allah and the Messenger." But if they turn away - then indeed, Allah does not like the disbelievers.Do you think this waw also relates AlRasool? If so, then how about 459?
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459 O you who have believed, obey Allah and obey the Messenger and those in authority among you. And if you disagree over anything, refer it to Allah and the Messenger, if you should believe in Allah and the Last Day. That is the best and best in result.Do you see the difference between 332 and 459 brother? Additional 'atii'oo/obey is missing in 332, why? Until you stop using your so called Arabic grammar rules, you will not understand what I am saying.
There are two waws in AlQuraan as and . One waw is separating waw and another with tashdeed is a relating waw.
There is nothing whatsoever in the Arabic tongue called "waw with tashdeed is a relating waw same as there is nothing even called " waw " ( you are using Abbasid grammar not me , and for your information not all that grammar is wrong, and i am sure you know that iam not using traditional grammar , and i am sure you remember what i posted in that matter since i joined the forum , and i am sure you used what i posted in that matter as reference in your understanding and research ) . Tashdid ta?dd "emphasis", is one of the diacritics used with the Arabic alphabet, marking a long consonant (geminate),(consonant or vowel doubled) , for "tashdeed"on the phonetic " W" it is "mushadada" only when its inside a word never isolated and never in the beginning of a word or at the end of a word , for the simple reason as its hard to pronounce by being so hard to pronounce it become not Arabic ( Authentic) as the Arabic tongue is following one of the very simple basic rule witch is easy . easy to pronounce easy to memories easy to use , hence Tashdid on the phonetic " W" when its isolated between word do not exist at all.
Exemple for Tashdid on the phonetic " W" iside a word2-185 (...) faman tatawwaa' (...)
16-92 (...) men baa'di qowwah (...)
If you you can justify or find a Tashdid on the phonetic " W" isolated or in front of a word or at the end of a word , you will never saw me posting in this forum.
what does mean , when you say (There are two waws in AlQuraan as and . One waw is separating waw) , what does "separating waw" mean this is loose and poor explination , the "W" in 19-58 simply mean that the "Al-maa'touf /The conjunctive noun ( Isreal's progeny ) is different then The upon conjunctive Al-maa'touf aa'layeh (Ibraheem's progeny م , if i say
Yesterday i saw the familly of mmkhan and Jankiz khan .
Don't youunderstand that the "and" in between is to indicate that they are diffrent familly ?, and that the familly in front of mmkhan ("Al-maa'touf /The conjunctive noun ) is to be unlaterly spreaded to Jankiz Khan (The upon conjunctive Al-maa'touf aa'layeh ) ?, mean i saw the family of mmkhan and the family of Jankiz Khan , and its reasonably from the contecxt of the speech it is understood that the familly of mmkhan is diffrent to the family of Jankiz KhanThere are other diffrent usage of "W" in the arabic tongue witch is not its subject now.
That is OK brother. Why not Muhammed, Ibrahim and Musa are single person and not a group because of their usage in AlQuraan. Please see..
03035 - Imran's imraat .
11071 - Ibrahim's imraat .
19005 - Zachariyya's imraat .
66010 - Nooh's imraat .
66010 - Loot's imraat .
66011 - Firaun's imraat .04001 - Nafs's zauja .
07019 - Adam's zauja .
33053 - Allah's Rasool's zauja .
33059 - Nabi's zauja .Then what about this
66 -1 O Prophet ( Al-naby ي, why do you make unlawful for you what Allah has made lawful for you, seeking the approval of your wives ( azwajak ) ? And Allah is Forgiving and Merciful.
(The verse is saying your wives ( azwajak ) to whome ? to the Prophet ( Al-naby ي,
There are dozen of prrof from quran that distruct your above claim , the one i bring is enough in my opinion, there are more insight about thematter of Prohphet and Messenger but its out of the subject of the thread .
Your claim collapse now and forever , and you better vomit what you have in your chest because it will make your understanding sick and your self will get contaminated accordignly , and you better not vomiting it in the forum as you will mislead people and it will remain in your account , i saw dozens of mistakes and misleading understanding in your recent posts , and i didn't want to interact for the simple reason
I didn't want to end up to personal conversation and useless disagrement like now.
Do you see the difference between 332 and 459 brother? Additional 'atii'oo/obey is missing in 332, why? Until you stop using your so called Arabic grammar rules, you will not understand what I am saying.
Hope you understand what I am saying, again, it has nothing to do with grammar.
Stop this Not only i understand what you'r saying but I understand through your understanding what you do no't understand in your understanding
May Allah increase us in knowledge and guide us to His true path pr
mmKhanPersonal view I am worried about some of what you are posting recently that you are about decreasing in knowledge .
If you don't like me and my posting ignore me and my posting , but do not post attack underline ( message not to you only but to the ones that they know themself)
Salam ( i mean i will not fight with you )
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Salam ,
Stop this strategy its satanic .
If you find that i am offensive in this message its only a self defence as i read directly and indirectly your personal attack , i will surely can guaranty to you that i will never ever fight with you because you disagree with me , but i can't guaranty friendship or brotherhood in the system as long as we disagree between each other ( i am not a pretender here but i am 10000 % that we can't really become friend or brother if we disagree ,
The word used here is " / Anzalna " so your claim is simply and clearly wrong , your claim collapse now and forever , and you better vomit what you have in your chest because it will make your understanding sick and your self will get contaminated , and you better not vomiting it in the forum as you will mislead people and it will remain in your account .
Salam,
Red part 4912 .
Blue part You don't even know how to talk, no decency. Be happy with you Deen. You are afraid of your lies getting exposed. Anyways,
1041
1041 And if they deny you, then say, "For me are my deeds, and for you are your deeds. You are disassociated from what I do, and I am disassociated from what you do."mmKhan
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Salam,
Red part 4912 .
Blue part You don't even know how to talk, no decency. Be happy with you Deen. You are afraid of your lies getting exposed. Anyways,
1041
1041 And if they deny you, then say, "For me are my deeds, and for you are your deeds. You are disassociated from what I do, and I am disassociated from what you do."mmKhan
Out of context .
Reply to the main subject and the argument i provided or leave me in Salam
- The phonetic " W" and its usage in 19-58 (between Ibramem and Israel).
- Ataynak and Anzalna
- Zawjak and the prophet
I feel not comfortable and i take out what i said in the previous post , and would like if moderator could delete what is offensive and keep the main post and arguments , and i appreciate if you watch your word next time.
I respect your self but i do not respect some of your understanding , hence i distinguish between what you are and some of what you hold as way of understanding , but in the meanwhile i do recognize many of correct understanding posted by you . anyway i am not here to judge you . I found you offensive so i replied back , now i take out that .
Salam
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Salam ,
Stop this strategy its satanic .
If you find that i am offensive in this message its only a self defence as i read directly and indirectly your personal attack , i will surely can guaranty to you that i will never ever fight with you because you disagree with me , but i can't guaranty friendship or brotherhood in the system as long as we disagree between each other ( i am not a pretender here or claiming self superiority but i am 10000 % that we can't really become friend or brother if we disagree , i'am not assuming here that you should agree with me precisely but i mean in general about all members discussions in the forum) , we should come and overcome and have strong patient to come to an absolute agreement that's the goal , the concept of " disagrement do not spoil the intimacy" was one of the fabricated rules and culture during the Abbasid era at the time of the spread of false hadiths , the concept of disagreement on the system is strongly banned and refused by the Quran
so agree with you or you speak to people like this??
The word used here is " / Anzalna " so your claim is simply and clearly wrong , your claim collapse now and forever , and you better vomit what you have in your chest because it will make your understanding sick and your self will get contaminated , and you better not vomiting it in the forum as you will mislead people and it will remain in your account .
Yesterday i saw the familly of mmkhan and Jankiz khan .
Don't youunderstand that the "and" in between is to indicate that they are diffrent familly ?, and that the familly in front of mmkhan ("Al-maa'touf /The conjunctive noun ) is to be unlaterly spreaded to Jankiz Khan (The upon conjunctive Al-maa'touf aa'layeh ) ?, mean i saw the family of mmkhan and the family of Jankiz Khan , and its reasonably from the contecxt of the speech it is understood that the familly of mmkhan is diffrent to the family of Jankiz Khanconfused but ..."Yesterday i saw the familly of mmkhan and Jankiz khan" would mean they are from the same family and "Yesterday i saw the family of mmkhan and the family of Jankiz khan" would be different families..........
Your claim collapse now and forever , and you better vomit what you have in your chest because it will make your understanding sick and your self will get contaminated accordignly , and you better not vomiting it in the forum as you will mislead people and it will remain in your account , i saw dozens of mistakes and misleading understanding in your recent posts , and i didn't want to interact for the simple reason
I didn't want to end up to personal conversation and useless disagrement like now.
again?Stop this Not only i understand what you'r saying but I understand through your understanding what you do no't understand in your understanding
I don't understand you not understanding his understanding but maybe he's thinking the same as me and doesn't understand your understanding of his understanding making it impossible to have any understanding of the misunderstanding in question..whatever you understand that to be......but I as an onlooker don't understand. hypnobrickwall
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I don't understand you not understanding his understanding but maybe he's thinking the same as me and doesn't understand your understanding of his understanding making it impossible to have any understanding of the misunderstanding in question..whatever you understand that to be......but I as an onlooker don't understand. hypno
Salaam,
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I already said it once but I repeat it, I really like your avatar )
Salaam,
Bender