What's the difference between Quranist, God Alone and Quran Alone
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Peace Bigmo,
Why not accept the name muslim and reject all others?
God know best
How do you define what a Muslim is? From the Quran. We define a Muslim different than how other Muslims do. I guess its a way to seperate us from other Muslims but Quranist is the best label for us. Anyways you don't chose your label, its usually done by others to identify you. Labels are not based on ideology as much as identification. Most Sunni/Shia clerics despise us being called Quranist because it gives the impression that we are following the Quran and they are not.
Anyways Quranically speaking the right label is Mu'min.
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SAlaam
IN MOP
Mumiin and muslim-- muslim is to be submited, but to be submited you need to bealive with ikhlass(sincerity), you can bealive Quran but not submmit, and you can submit to Allah and dont bealive Quran.. so make confusing now..lets take other exemple hudan or nasara..(comon translation cristian and jew) Hudan means orientation nasara comes from helpers.. so ibrahim was not only a helper nor only guided, but was muslim submited to Creator alone trough all his actions. the Relion of Allah consist in not associating partnership with them..so we we have ibrahim as pure monoteist and all otrher messengers follow this principle and theire coming was to , and simple to defende this monoteistic faith.
Conlusion to be muslim, you need to be mumin(bealive) have to help others(ansar) have to guide others(hudan) so you can become a submited=Muslim ...otherwise you are incomplete..now sheck all messengers narrations and you ll see..almost of them had knowledge,guide,help others, and submited to God alone.
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How do you define what a Muslim is? From the Quran. We define a Muslim different than how other Muslims do. I guess its a way to seperate us from other Muslims but Quranist is the best label for us. Anyways you don't chose your label, its usually done by others to identify you. Labels are not based on ideology as much as identification. Most Sunni/Shia clerics despise us being called Quranist because it gives the impression that we are following the Quran and they are not.
Anyways Quranically speaking the right label is Mu'min.
Peace Bigmo
My understanding of muslim is one who has submitted. Do we desire separation by calling ourselves
by a title not in Quran (Quranist)?You shall submit to Him, reverence Him, observe the Contact Prayers (Salat), and - whatever you do - do not ever fall into idol worship.
(Do not fall in idol worship,) like those who divide their religion into sects; each party rejoicing with what they have.Others identifying us by whatever title they choose is out of our control, we can only reinforce to them
what we call ourselves.The clerics being wroth with us may be a consequence of our journey that we must be willing to accept
regardless of the consequences as the truth must be our guide.It is my understanding the Abraham named us muslims (submitters).
You shall strive for the cause of GOD as you should strive for His cause. He has chosen you and has placed no hardship on you in practicing your religion?the religion of your father Abraham. He is the one who named you "Submitters" originally. Thus, the messenger shall serve as a witness among you, and you shall serve as witnesses among the people. Therefore, you shall observe the Contact Prayers (Salat) and give the obligatory charity (Zakat), and hold fast to GOD; He is your Lord, the best Lord and the best Supporter.
Bigmo said, Anyways Quranically speaking the right label is Mu'min.
The question is muslim or mu'min or both?Peace
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Salam people, I haven't read the whole thread, just this page, and I want you all to consider the idea that we define the words Muslim and Momin before labeling etc. This is the reason I opened my thread, which for some reason is getting but no one is replying. I believe we first need to grasp the definitions of the words.
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Salam people, I haven't read the whole thread, just this page, and I want you all to consider the idea that we define the words Muslim and Momin before labeling etc. This is the reason I opened my thread, which for some reason is getting but no one is replying. I believe we first need to grasp the definitions of the words.
Peace Fallen Angel 21098,
The floor is yours, Give us your definitions if you will.
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Peace Bigmo
My understanding of muslim is one who has submitted. Do we desire separation by calling ourselves
by a title not in Quran (Quranist)?You shall submit to Him, reverence Him, observe the Contact Prayers (Salat), and - whatever you do - do not ever fall into idol worship.
(Do not fall in idol worship,) like those who divide their religion into sects; each party rejoicing with what they have.Others identifying us by whatever title they choose is out of our control, we can only reinforce to them
what we call ourselves.The clerics being wroth with us may be a consequence of our journey that we must be willing to accept
regardless of the consequences as the truth must be our guide.It is my understanding the Abraham named us muslims (submitters).
You shall strive for the cause of GOD as you should strive for His cause. He has chosen you and has placed no hardship on you in practicing your religion?the religion of your father Abraham. He is the one who named you "Submitters" originally. Thus, the messenger shall serve as a witness among you, and you shall serve as witnesses among the people. Therefore, you shall observe the Contact Prayers (Salat) and give the obligatory charity (Zakat), and hold fast to GOD; He is your Lord, the best Lord and the best Supporter.
Bigmo said, Anyways Quranically speaking the right label is Mu'min.
The question is muslim or mu'min or both?Peace
There are many labels the Quran uses. Hudna is one, nasara is another. Sadiqeen is another. Saliheen is another. You yourself said muslim is a submitter. That is an adjective. Submitted to what? To God. And how do you understand God ? From the Quran. So a Quranist is a proper label. Generally the Quran uses mu'min. But all religions see themselves as mu'min. So Quranist distinquishes.
But Quranically speaking the term used is mu'min. The term Muslim was invented later by Islamic authorities. Early followers called themselves mu'min.
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Peace Fallen Angel 21098,
The floor is yours, Give us your definitions if you will.
I would love to, but I'm confused myself
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Peace Fallen Angel 21098,
It appears that the list is getting longer as per your thread.
Peacemaker, mu'min, submitter
But Quranically speaking the term used is mu'min. The term Muslim was invented later by Islamic authorities. Early followers called themselves mu'min.
Bigmo could you please give references for your claim that
The term Muslim was invented later by Islamic authorities. Early followers called themselves mu'min.
Peace
Hawk
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I used to just say I'm Muslim. But people immediately associate this term with long beards, hijab, a prophet who married a 6 year old (allegedly), crazy imams giving crazy fatwas, women having no rights, etc. Unfortunately Sunnis have hijacked the term "Muslim". I have little in common with them and don't want to be assumed to be one of them.
I now say I'm a "Quranist Muslim". This prompts them to ask what's that? And it gives me an opportunity to explain. I like it better this way.
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SAlaam
IN MOP
Mumiin and muslim-- muslim is to be submited, but to be submited you need to bealive with ikhlass(sincerity), you can bealive Quran but not submmit, and you can submit to Allah and dont bealive Quran.. so make confusing now..Peace Nomad
I think muslim is to distinguish those who have submitted to God who are basically
Quranists and its offshoots which are the many sects of Islam. Despite the abhorrance
of the practice of many sects they are also muslim. -
There are many labels the Quran uses. Hudna is one, nasara is another. Sadiqeen is another. Saliheen is another. You yourself said muslim is a submitter. That is an adjective. Submitted to what? To God.
Peace Bigmo,
I'm afraid you are incorrect my friend, submitter is not an adjective but a noun.
Related forms
sub?mit?ta?ble, sub?mis?si?ble /sbmsbl/ Show Spelled sub?mit?tal, noun
sub?mit?ter, noun
sub?mit?ting?ly, adverb
non?sub?mis?si?ble, adjective"O ye who believe, fear Allah and keep company with those who are True
to their word" sadiqeen or the truthful ones in my opinion can be regarded as a
level of spiritual development and does not apply to all that are muslim.The Ummah of Muhammad was called Mu'min (believers), because of the depth
of their faith and certainty, and because they believed in all of the previous Prophets
and matters of the Unseen. Again I do not believe the term mu'min applies to
muslims in general because mu'min have attained certainty while many of the
general muslim population have not.Hudna or guided ones/ those on the path again does not apply to all muslims,
while one may have acknowledged God, it does not mean one is striving towards
upliftment.
Who listen to speech and follow the best of it. Those are the ones Allah has
guided, and those are people of understanding.You as a member of this forum should agree with the preceding anologies.
nasara or supporters/helpers, originally the followers of Jesus or supporters of
deen is an affable term but does not create enough distance between the two faiths.Pickthall And strive for Allah with the endeavour which is His right. He hath
chosen you and hath not laid upon you in religion any hardship; the faith of your
father Abraham (is yours). He hath named you Muslims of old time and in this
(Scripture), that the messenger may be a witness against you, and that ye
may be witnesses against mankind. So establish worship, pay the poor-due, and
hold fast to Allah. He is your Protecting friend. A blessed Patron and a blessed Helper!There is a distance between acknowledgment (beginning) and striving.
Thank you Bigmo
Peace
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I used to just say I'm Muslim. But people immediately associate this term with long beards, hijab, a prophet who married a 6 year old (allegedly), crazy imams giving crazy fatwas, women having no rights, etc. Unfortunately Sunnis have hijacked the term "Muslim". I have little in common with them and don't want to be assumed to be one of them.
I now say I'm a "Quranist Muslim". This prompts them to ask what's that? And it gives me an opportunity to explain. I like it better this way.
Peace Aamer,
Can we give ourselves names not authorized by God? Is this the beginning of another sect?
It also may be that you are an example of muslim diversity in the eyes of those who ask!O0