Qiblah...searched but found no answer
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This has been discussed perhaps in detail. I think it was the first topic that remained under discussion way back in 07 when I joined this forum. Perhaps with Aymen. Samia also participated. I will search it.
However, have you watched congregational prayer in Masjid alHaram around Ka'aba? People are facing all 360 directions? Does it not show, believers do not believe in directions?
Mazhar,
I see. I agree with you completely...I didn't know about the disbelievers facing east or west. I looked up the threads and didn't find one that gave the exact answer I was looking for.
To me the word "confront" means to come face to face with, in a negative manner. So in my mind it seems ill-placed, the word "confront."
And it is impossible for many people the world over to face "east" toward mecca...some people are south of mecca, which means they would face north, and vice versa.
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Salamun alaiki,
Where did you read this? Which dictionary?
http//www.google.com/url?q=http//www.audioenglish.net/dictionary/qibla.htm&sa=U&ei=CoJXULmDCdPG0AHMsYGgDg&ved=0CCQQFjAD&usg=AFQjCNHBfx8McYcoqAGs3Cb5cl3HgRrlIA
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Mazhar,
I see. I agree with you completely...I didn't know about the disbelievers facing east or west. I looked up the threads and didn't find one that gave the exact answer I was looking for.
To me the word "confront" means to come face to face with, in a negative manner. So in my mind it seems ill-placed, the word "confront."
And it is impossible for many people the world over to face "east" toward mecca...some people are south of mecca, which means they would face north, and vice versa.
Yes, I agree that "confront", though means face to face with somebody, it is used especially in a challenge, and with hostility. Please find a better word to describe a person and an object in a face to face state, to transcribe Arabic word into English. Thanks.
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That is because they are all facing the Kaaba, that is their qibla
Salamun alaiki, Ayesha,
Excellent.
And everyone has a direction different than even the person standing shoulder to shoulder with him. When people are away from Ka'aba they do not stand in a circle. Therefore, there it is not Ka'aba with which every one in a long row could be face to face with Ka'aba-it being a rectangle House.
What is that with which everyone is face to face when away from Ka'aba? -
Salamun alaiki, Ayesha,
Excellent.
And everyone has a direction to the person standing shoulder to shoulder with him. When people are away from Ka'aba they do not stand in a circle. Therefore, there it is not Ka'aba with which every one in a long row could be face to face with Ka'aba-it being a rectangle House.
What is that with which everyone is face to face when away from Ka'aba?Not sure what you mean Mazhar.
Taking the Kaaba as 'the qibla' in 2.144 so anywhere in the world one is supposed to face that.....so if you lived in India/Pakistan one would assume you would face west.........never thought about that, do you face west? o and at which point on the world map would that become facing east......as the earth is round........... hypno
Just checking other verses with same root letters.........I always thought it meant direction too, now I'm thinking it doesn't...........and why would the people of the book know it was right? Have to admit I am confused now on 2.142 -144.
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Peace scaredmuslimah,
We have seen you turning your face about the sky (searching for the right direction). We now assign a Qiblah that is pleasing to you. Henceforth, you shall turn your face towards the Sacred Masjid. Wherever you may be, all of you shall turn your faces towards it. Those who received the previous scripture know that this is the truth from their Lord. GOD is never unaware of anything they do.
The Qiblah depends on your position in relation to the kaaba.
Example, if you are due north of the kaaba then the qiblah would be south
if you are south of the kaaba then the qiblah would be north
because we are to "face" the kaaba
in mecca, that would entail 360 degrees if the kaaba was surrouned
because everyone would be facing the kaaba" Wherever you may be, all of you shall turn your faces towards it."
The building has a mosque built around it, the Masjid al-Haram. All Muslims around the world are supposed to face the Kaaba during prayers, no matter where they are. From any given point in the world, the direction facing the Kaaba is called the Qibla.
We have rendered the shrine (the Ka'aba) a focal point for the people, and a safe sanctuary. You may use Abraham's shrine as a prayer house. We commissioned Abraham and Ismail "You shall purify My house for those who visit, those who live there, and those who bow and prostrate."
Similarities between "baca" in the bible and "Makkah" in the holy quran
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As how you read previously, "Bakka" is mentioned as the other name of "Mecca" in quran. The word "BAKKA" (in quran) is the same as "BACA" (in bible) you read in my previous explanations about "Ash-shaddat" the only difference between these two words is the "ash-shaddat".
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Psalms 845 shows that "baca" is city of pilgrimge, and quran also show that "bakka" is city of pilgrimage.
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"Macca" (bakka) is God selected city according to both quran and bible.
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There is existing of well close to the ka,aba (zam-zam which is still existing upto now) according to quran, the most amazing is that even in the bible this city of "baca" was mentioned together with this well. This certainly proved that even bible confirmed the existing of ka,aba and Makka since the time of David.
No sensible person can reject that "Bakka" in quran is not mean "baca" in bible, because all describtions of "Baca" in bible and "Bakka" in quran are the same
Interested reader can read the history of building of ka'aba by Abraham on this link http//islamblogonline.wordpress.com/2011/07/28/the-story-of-the-building-of-kaab
I have to learn how to do the link thing
Peace O0
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Not sure what you mean Mazhar.
Taking the Kaaba as 'the qibla' in 2.144 so anywhere in the world one is supposed to face that.....so if you lived in India/Pakistan one would assume you would face west.........never thought about that, do you face west? o and at which point on the world map would that become facing east......as the earth is round........... hypno
Just checking other verses with same root letters.........I always thought it meant direction too, now I'm thinking it doesn't...........and why would the people of the book know it was right? Have to admit I am confused now on 2.142 -144.
Salamun alaiki,
Ka'aba is a small rectangle. When you getting away from it and the straight row lengthens, people on both ends of the line would not be face to face with Ka'aba. Thereby, many will be just facing some direction, not Ka'aba.
For this reason, injunction is different when people are out of Masjid alHaram-the Mosque around Ka'aba.
We are indeed continuously seeing, O you the Messenger, the frequent turning of your face into the Sky.
For this reason, We swear-assure you that We will certainly give you the guardianship of the Qib'la'tan.
Fulfillment of this promise will make you persistently pleased.
Therefore , keep fronting face to the Sacred Mosque so long you are out-away from it.
And, wherever and from whatever direction you people have exited, thereat for reason you cause your selves face to face that Mosque, when you are out-away from it.
Know the fact that those people whom Book was given earlier certainly understand very well that this is an established fact ordained by their Sustainer Lord.
Beware, Allah the Exalted is never unmindful about that which acts they people are/keep doing. -
Whether or not someone is exactly facing Mecca, geographically, is not of immense importance. No-one will notice if you are off some degrees, or if one considers the direction as a line pointing into space. The actual thing is that people INTEND and BELIEVE that they are facing the city of Mecca in KSA. That's what counts. Actually facing or not facing, will not have any real physical consequences. It's not like a laser beam that either hits or misses its target. And 'facing' just means in what compass direction you are turned... it's a 2-dimensional thing. I think it is simply of matter of deciding in what 2-D direction to turn, to face, and of course, whether or not at all one thinks that qibla is a geographical direction of turning.
Peace
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Know the fact that those people whom Book was given earlier certainly understand very well that this is an established fact ordained by their Sustainer Lord.
Beware, Allah the Exalted is never unmindful about that which acts they people are/keep doing.But why would the earlier people know this was the truth?
(still don't like your additions in brackets brickwall
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But why would the earlier people know this was the truth?
(still don't like your additions in brackets brickwall
Okay I remove it which I inserted to let know the reader to what "this" pronoun refers. I remove and use the direct words for masculine pronoun.
Know the fact that those people whom Book was given earlier certainly understand very well that promise of guardianship is an established fact ordained by their Sustainer Lord.
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Salaam
Quibla in Quran is Allah only. its the rightous to Face Allah(quibla) from the time you wake up till the time you go to sleep, wherever youre walking on earth face it(Allah).. not a focal point..that will not be very logical if its a real place..one canoot live looking/facing a specific spot all time and in all ocasions..thats not very logical
Salaam Allah knows best
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Whether or not someone is exactly facing Mecca, geographically, is not of immense importance. No-one will notice if you are off some degrees, or if one considers the direction as a line pointing into space. The actual thing is that people INTEND and BELIEVE that they are facing the city of Mecca in KSA. That's what counts. Actually facing or not facing, will not have any real physical consequences. It's not like a laser beam that either hits or misses its target. And 'facing' just means in what compass direction you are turned... it's a 2-dimensional thing. I think it is simply of matter of deciding in what 2-D direction to turn, to face, and of course, whether or not at all one thinks that qibla is a geographical direction of turning.
Peace
It is not that simple. Earlier, Jews and christians are told that turning faces to East or West-----
People of Book sanctify direction of East and West.
Allah the Exalted has also given the reason for facing Masjid alHaram when away from Kaaba.so that argument-counter reason-accusation might not lie for the people of Book against you people,
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Salaam
Quibla in Quran is Allah only. its the rightous to Face Allah(quibla) from the time you wake up till the time you go to sleep, wherever youre walking on earth face it(Allah).. not a focal point..that will not be very logical if its a real place..one canoot live looking/facing a specific spot all time and in all ocasions..thats not very logical
Salaam Allah knows best
Qiblata is feminine. What you are saying is in 2115.
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Does anyone know some benefits of facing a certain geographical direction? Why would we do that? What's the point? (Apart from blind faith and 'God says so'
The idea of everyone praying at the same time in a similar way doesn't seem inherantly bad in itself, I think. Perhaps more beneficial for "unity of the ummah" reasons as opposed to simple prayer though, I dunno.
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Peace Zulf,
What Allah says is enough, obedience first, understanding second.
My understanding is that it organizationally proficient for everyone to do the same thing.
If we got together to make congregational worship it would be best if we faced the same
direction.
If I faced east and you faced west and the person to your right faced north and the person
to to my left faced south that would not be an efficient way to conduct worship. And remember
there could be rows and rows of worshipers.Peace O0
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My understanding is that it organizationally proficient for everyone to do the same thing.
If we got together to make congregational worship it would be best if we faced the same
direction.
If I faced east and you faced west and the person to your right faced north and the person
to to my left faced south that would not be an efficient way to conduct worship. And remember
there could be rows and rows of worshipers.Agreed.
What Allah says is enough, obedience first, understanding second.
Without first having understanding, then what is your obedience worth? 1736! If we don't understand what Allah has said, then we'll just follow conjecture.