Seerah Of Prophet Mohammed
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Salaamun Alaikum !
Dear Friends,
I would like to suggest that we should compile a list of hadiths, sunnah and seerah of Prophet Mohammed relevant to the film and salman rushdie's book which the "so called Muslims" think are blasphemous.
If we can compile the complete list from so called seerah of prophet Mohammed then we could show that to our "so called Muslims" that neither salam rushdie nor the director of the movie "Innocence of Muslims" are getting those blasphemous ideas from Satan nor Jews but those ideas and deeds are all present since 1200 years in the books of great Imams, champions and idols of "so called Muslims".
PS Mods can you make this a sticky topic so that we all can contribute our quotes from hadiths, sunnah and seerah books.
Regards,
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Salamun Alayka MASOOMboy,
lol, you stole my idea, I was gonna start a thread similar to this, great idea, if I get time, I'll contribute as well
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I just posted about that on a comment. How can they blame others when this is from hadith and such.. I will post some ) Great idea. I think the awareness need so get out there. Once we finish it, I will be happy to post it on my facebook and even place it in my masjid!
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Will be waaaaaiting for that day when you post!
Hope you live up to your promises. And may Allah guide you to the fact that How much hatred and Jealousy do the Jews have against Christ, Christians, Muhammad and Islam. Movies, dramas, their books written by rabis are witness for it.
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I already know about how deep and dark the hatred is. They own the media and everything else. Starbuck... bucks for the stars. They have their hand in EVERYONE'S COOKIE JAR. My father is into conspiracy theories, he also worked undercover for the pentagon and special communications for 20 years. Trust me, he has told me some interesting things and his ideas.
What I am stating is it makes it easy for us to be targeted when you can get your dirt from our own "sources"
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free to rape captives Sahih Muslim, volume 2, #3371.
?Abu Sirma said to Abu Said al Khudri "O Abu Said, did you hear Allah's messenger mentioning about al-azl (coitus interruptus)?" He said, "Yes", and added "We went out with Allah's messenger on the expedition to the Mustaliq and took captive some excellent Arab women; and we desired them for we were suffering from the absence of our wives, (but at the same time) we also desired ransom for them. So we decided to have sexual intercourse with them but by observing azl" (withdrawing the male sexual organ before emission of semen to avoid conception). But we said "We are doing an act whereas Allah's messenger is amongst us; why not ask him?" So we asked Allah's messenger and he said "It does not matter if you do not do it, for every soul that is to be born up to the Day of Resurrection will be born".
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Womanizing/ sexual power
The Prophet used to pass by (have sexual relation with) all his wives in one night, and at that time he had nine wives. Bukhari, volume 7, # 142.
Anas bin Malik said, "The Prophet used to visit all his wives in a round, during the day and night and they were eleven in number." I asked Anas, "Had the Prophet the strength for it?" Anas replied, "We used to say that the Prophet was given the strength of thirty (men)." And Sa'id said on the authority of Qatada that Anas had told him about nine wives only (not eleven). Bukhari, volume 1, #268.
Wonder if they realized this type of behavior is appauling, to the men and to the women who are pieces of meat and not treat as humans with feelings.
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I already know about how deep and dark the hatred is. They own the media and everything else. Starbuck... bucks for the stars. They have their hand in EVERYONE'S COOKIE JAR. My father is into conspiracy theories, he also worked undercover for the pentagon and special communications for 20 years. Trust me, he has told me some interesting things and his ideas.
That is nice you almost have first hand information.
What I am stating is it makes it easy for us to be targeted when you can get your dirt from our own "sources"
Almost 99.9% Muslims believe Quran has not been changed, Yet there uncountable interpretations and understandings about it.
Hadith are basically reports, good reporter is one who reports what ever he hears without deleting, If a report says Muhammad Peace be upon married with a six year or nine year girl, it means this was in circulation at that time and they reported it, this report may be wrong or may be correct,. (this one does not seem correct as per Quran) there may be many Hadith which may be correct as per Quran, they provide and enhance our information.
To right away reject them or accept them as a divine source are of the same mentality.
People who believe in Hadith and Sharia laws based on them as divine laws are needed to be educated and not mocked as EDIP YUKSEL and others are proposing. -
I don't think they want to be educated, end of story. They are happy in the ignorance bubble. I suppose you are right we should not ridicule, that is not a good action. But what about awareness, showing them... hello, have you read this and used your mind? I am not here to ridicule, I am here to maybe help some one think or open their eyes. They can't deny this stuff comes from the sources they advocate and complain about me not believing in.
They can say anything about the Christians, which offends me, my family is christian. But if anyone says something to them they freak and act like 2 year olds who need a nap and/or a time out. They can believe what they want, but killing innocents and this behavior needs to stop. And I would say the same to any religion that would do the same.
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Actually the Hadith you have quoted are from missionary sites, or from Edips site. I would love to comment on these Hadith if you can post the exact Arabic text with reference.Till then this is just a repeated story sorry to say.
I can quote in response
Your servants and your slaves are your brothers/sisters. Anyone who has slaves should give them from what he eats and wears. He should not charge them with work beyond their capabilities. If you must set them to hard work, in any case I advise you to help them.
Source Bukhari, Iman, 22; Adab, 44; Muslim, Iman, 38?40; Abu Dawud, Adab, 124
Ali reported that the last words of the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, were "The prayer! The prayer! Fear Allah concerning your slaves ! "
Source Al-Adab al-Mufrad Al-Bukhari , Nr. 158.
Jabir ibn 'Abdullah said, "The Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, advised that slaves should be well-treated. He said, 'Feed them from what you eat and clothe them from what you wear. Do not punish what Allah has created.' "
Source Al-Adab al-Mufrad Al-Bukhari , Nr. 188.
"The entire history of Islam proves that slaves could occupy any office, and many former military slaves, usually recruited from among the Central Asian Turks, became military leaders and often even rulers as in eastern Iran, India (the Slave Dynasty of Delhi), and medieval Egypt (the Mamluks). ?
Read the Quranic verse 33 of 24 alonf with above quoted Hadith and then the Hadith you quoted holds no air.
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Actually the Hadith you have quoted are from missionary sites, or from Edips site. I would love to comment on these Hadith if you can post the exact Arabic text with reference.Till then this is just a repeated story sorry to say.
I can quote in response
Your servants and your slaves are your brothers/sisters. Anyone who has slaves should give them from what he eats and wears. He should not charge them with work beyond their capabilities. If you must set them to hard work, in any case I advise you to help them.
Source Bukhari, Iman, 22; Adab, 44; Muslim, Iman, 38?40; Abu Dawud, Adab, 124
Ali reported that the last words of the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, were "The prayer! The prayer! Fear Allah concerning your slaves ! "
Source Al-Adab al-Mufrad Al-Bukhari , Nr. 158.
Jabir ibn 'Abdullah said, "The Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, advised that slaves should be well-treated. He said, 'Feed them from what you eat and clothe them from what you wear. Do not punish what Allah has created.' "
Source Al-Adab al-Mufrad Al-Bukhari , Nr. 188.
"The entire history of Islam proves that slaves could occupy any office, and many former military slaves, usually recruited from among the Central Asian Turks, became military leaders and often even rulers as in eastern Iran, India (the Slave Dynasty of Delhi), and medieval Egypt (the Mamluks). ?
Read the Quranic verse 33 of 24 alonf with above quoted Hadith and then the Hadith you quoted holds no air.
First one
http//sunnah.com/urn/233710second one.
http//sunnah.com/bukhari/67#148 -
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I agree with you on that. Good and bad are both from the same source. Those hadith are not from the sites you mentioned. I usually can find stuff at http//www.searchtruth.com/hadith_books.php I can never find the Arabic ones, even on that site.
Arabic are on the links I gave peace
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Peace Raaajah.
Shall we pick and choose which hadith to accept or shall we ditch all hadith?
Quote Actually the Hadith you have quoted are from missionary sites, or from Edips site. I would love to comment on these Hadith if you can post the exact Arabic text with reference.Till then this is just a repeated story sorry to say.
Are we to accept the ones you listed without reference or arabic text or are they a repeated story like the others.
If you are a real believer in the word of God, you will have no choice but to accept the Qoran as the only true hadith. The best hadith.
Hadith fabricators and followers have only themselves to blame for their lies about the prophet and Islam.
Believers in God and His scripture will not be fooled by " good hadith" V " bad hadith" nonsense. All hadith is man made and leads its followers to take" other gods beside God". This is called " Idol worship" by God in Qoran.Peace.
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Salaam,
Dear Raaajah,
I guess you missed the whole point of my post.
I didn't start this post to discuses which hadiths are good and which are bad.
I think so many people on so many occations and sites did that already , no point blahbing about them anymore.The issue at hand is salman rushdie and the film-maker of "innocence of Muslims" were blasphemous with their stuff as claimed by the sunnis and shias around the world and jump to violence with their pathetic rallies and stupid & funny signboards against america , Jews and Christians or the same stuff is present in both sunni and shia HOLY Sunnah and hadith since more than 1200 years.
As a matter of fact all those stupid fools should be burning effigies of Imam Tabari & co and calling them kafirs, murtids and issuing fatwas of blasphemy against them !
People deserve to know the truth and I'm sure at least by exposing those hidden enemies within our ranks we can bring a little change in the way people think and act on those satanic hadiths and seerah.Regards,
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Following are some of the gems of great Imam Bukhari , will get some from Imam Muslim in the next post.
I guess these hadiths are relevant to our topic at hand.Volume 1, Book 6, Number 296
Narrated 'Aisha
The Prophet used to lean on my lap and recite Qur'an while I was in menses.Volume 1, Book 6, Number 299
Narrated 'Abdur-Rahman bin Al-Aswad
(on the authority of his father) 'Aisha said "Whenever Allah's Apostle wanted to fondle anyone of us during her periods (menses), he used to order her to put on an Izar and start fondling her." 'Aisha added, "None of you could control his sexual desires as the Prophet could."Volume 1, Book 6, Number 301
Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri
Once Allah's Apostle went out to the Musalla (to offer the prayer) o 'Id-al-Adha or Al-Fitr prayer. Then he passed by the women and said, "O women! Give alms, as I have seen that the majority of the dwellers of Hell-fire were you (women)." They asked, "Why is it so, O Allah's Apostle ?" He replied, "You curse frequently and are ungrateful to your husbands. I have not seen anyone more deficient in intelligence and religion than you. A cautious sensible man could be led astray by some of you." The women asked, "O Allah's Apostle! What is deficient in our intelligence and religion?" He said, "Is not the evidence of two women equal to the witness of one man?" They replied in the affirmative. He said, "This is the deficiency in her intelligence. Isn't it true that a woman can neither pray nor fast during her menses?" The women replied in the affirmative. He said, "This is the deficiency in her religion."Volume 1, Book 6, Number 306
Narrated 'Aisha
Once one of the wives of the Prophet did Itikaf along with him and she was getting bleeding in between her periods. She used to see the blood (from her private parts) and she would perhaps put a dish under her for the blood. (The sub-narrator 'Ikrima added, 'Aisha once saw the liquid of safflower and said, "It looks like what so and so used to have."Volume 1, Book 5, Number 270
Narrated Muhammad bin Al-Muntathir
on the authority of his father that he had asked 'Aisha about the saying of Ibn 'Umar(i.e. he did not like to be a Muhrim while the smell of scent was still coming from his body). 'Aisha said, "I scented Allah's Apostle and he went round (had sexual intercourse with) all his wives, and in the morning he was Muhrim (after taking a bath)."Volume 7, Book 62, Number 6
Narrated Anas
The Prophet I used to go round (have sexual relations with) all his wives in one night, and he had nine wives.Volume 7, Book 62, Number 13o
Narrated 'Abdullah
We used to participate in the holy battles led by Allah's Apostle and we had nothing (no wives) with us. So we said, "Shall we get ourselves castrated?" He forbade us that and then allowed us to marry women with a temporary contract (2) and recited to us -- 'O you who believe ! Make not unlawful the good things which Allah has made lawful for you, but commit no transgression.' (5.87)Volume 7, Book 62, Number 15
Narrated 'Aisha
Allah's Apostle said (to me), "You have been shown to me twice in (my) dreams. A man was carrying you in a silken cloth and said to me, 'This is your wife.' I uncovered it; and behold, it was you. I said to myself, 'If this dream is from Allah, He will cause it to come true.' "Volume 7, Book 62, Number 17
Narrated Jabir bin 'Abdullah
When I got married, Allah's Apostle said to me, "What type of lady have you married?" I replied, "I have married a matron' He said, "Why, don't you have a liking for the virgins and for fondling them?" Jabir also said Allah's Apostle said, "Why didn't you marry a young girl so that you might play with her and she with you?'Volume 7, Book 62, Number 30
Narrated Abdullah bin 'Umar
Allah's Apostle said, "Evil omen is in the women, the house and the horse.'Volume 7, Book 62, Number 64
Narrated 'Aisha
that the Prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old, and then she remained with him for nine years (i.e., till his death).Volume 7, Book 62, Number 90
Narrated Aisha
When the Prophet married me, my mother came to me and made me enter the house (of the Prophet) and nothing surprised me but the coming of Allah's Apostle to me in the forenoon.Volume 7, Book 62, Number 118
Narrated 'Ursa
Aisha said, "While the Ethiopians were playing with their small spears, Allah's Apostle screened me behind him and I watched (that display) and kept on watching till I left on my own." So you may estimate of what age a little girl may listen to amusement.Volume 7, Book 62, Number 140
Narrated Anas
The tradition, (of the Prophet) is that if someone marries a virgin and he has already a matron wife (with him), then he should stay with the virgin for seven days; and if someone marries a matron (and he has already a virgin wife with him) then he should stay with her for three days.Volume 7, Book 62, Number 144
Narrated 'Aisha
that during his fatal ailment, Allah's Apostle, used to ask his wives, "Where shall I stay tomorrow? Where shall I stay tomorrow?" He was looking forward to Aisha's turn. So all his wives allowed him to stay where he wished, and he stayed at 'Aisha's house till he died there. 'Aisha added He died on the day of my usual turn at my house. Allah took him unto Him while his head was between my chest and my neck and his saliva was mixed with my saliva.Volume 7, Book 62, Number 177
Narrated 'Aisha
Abu Bakr admonished me and poked me with his hands in the flank, and nothing stopped me from moving at that time except the position of Allah's Apostle whose head was on my thigh. -
good logic
Peace Raaajah.
Shall we pick and choose which hadith to accept or shall we ditch all hadith?
Why should we go either way? Please read my post before being so sentimental like typical so called Quran aloners,, try to understand what I am saying, brother.
Are we to accept the ones you listed without reference or arabic text or are they a repeated story like the others.
again you have to re-read my post.
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Salaam,
Dear Raaajah,
I guess you missed the whole point of my post.No! it is you brother who have missed the point.
As a matter of fact all those stupid fools should be burning effigies of Imam Tabari & co and calling them kafirs, murtids and issuing fatwas of blasphemy against them !
People deserve to know the truth and I'm sure at least by exposing those hidden enemies within our ranks we can bring a little change in the way people think and act on those satanic hadiths and seerah.Why Imam Tabri? there is where a full stop enters for Quranists
Imam Tabri is a writer a Historian, He wrote what he heard or listened or what occurred during his times, Imam Bukhari reported what was in circulation at that time, in reporting that he took utmost care with the best tools available at that time (these tools may be laughed at by us today) the information they reported may be correct or it may be wrong. They did their job.
People deserve to know the truth and I'm sure at least by exposing those hidden enemies within our ranks we can bring a little change in the way people think and act on those satanic hadiths and seerah
Yes people deserve to know the truth is also my point. The Quranists have chosen an easier way, the entirely change the translation of Quran just to satisfy the present day criticism, for example if their is criticism on Houirs they deny such a thing in Quran, if there is criticism on Muhammad peace is upon him they say Prophet does not matter.
History is very important, Hadith and Sunnah are very important, the way Islam was practiced in his times is very important. We should study them for information.
The problem is with the laws made by men based on these reports and then Call it laws of Allah. For this we need to educate and that is all. If you say they don't want to learn then that is not true right here on this board there are many examples who have come to One God from practicing shirk due to educating.
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Volume 7, Book 62, Number 177
Narrated 'Aisha
Abu Bakr admonished me and poked me with his hands in the flank, and nothing stopped me from moving at that time except the position of Allah's Apostle whose head was on my thigh.I will just reply to all of these repeated hadith by missionary sites as soon as I am free, but for these two particular hadith, what do you find odd in it?
Narrated 'Aisha
that during his fatal ailment, Allah's Apostle, used to ask his wives, "Where shall I stay tomorrow? Where shall I stay tomorrow?" He was looking forward to Aisha's turn. So all his wives allowed him to stay where he wished, and he stayed at 'Aisha's house till he died there. 'Aisha added He died on the day of my usual turn at my house. Allah took him unto Him while his head was between my chest and my neck and his saliva was mixed with my saliva.I would too like to be with my loved one at the time of death and may be kissing her. What do you want to point in this Hadith?