Whats your opinion of Sufi Islam?
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Peace
Indeed it does! She is a Sufi Kathak dancer.Well, as for me, i was kind of attracted to the whirling of their dances.
Your photo reminds me of Persian Dances, which i used to adore...
Shahrokh Moshkin Ghalam - Sohrab and Gordafarid
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Very nice! I watched the entire thing. I've never seen this kind of dance before. I've seen lots of different Persian dances, but never this kind. I love the footwork and chemistry between the two.
This is the kind of kathak that I like to observe ( and attempt though I am too clumsy)
Just the whirling http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cJpDAH4jJM
Now the technical piece that accompanies it (Stuff I have learned from young) http//www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfZhBN0zH-o&feature=channel&list=UL
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Yeah, i used to like dancing, especially Persian Dancing. Shahrokh Moshkin was kind of inspirational to me, and also the sufi whirling dancing. I kind of like how they use whirling/dancing as a form of connection with God .
"Indian whirling dances" were also inspiring, ... I kind of delved into far eastern music/dances, from Tajik, hindi, afghan music etc..
I liked how many used their bodies/arms/hands to dance, which was of course more classy and tolerable than the less classy belly dancing that middle easterners are used too. -
The sufis have deeper insights into Quran than any quranist at present. It would do us a world of good to read their works and use them as stimuli to higher understanding.
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Sure. I love this Sufi Metaphysics and Qur'anic Prophets Ibn Arabi's Thought and Method in the 'Fusus Al-Hikam'
helps us see the function of Quranic personalities )
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Yeah, to me, most of their practices aren't from the Quran. I find their reverence for their shuyukh also to be anti-quranic.
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peace I am ignorant about Sufi's - just wondering, do they follow any man made doctrines or practices outside of Quran?
Thanks.
The majority of Sufies are Sunnis, and from I have seen and read, they differ only in additional methods of worship, but still govern themselves by the Sunni madhabs.
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Another book I highly recommend is Ian Almond's Sufism and Deconstruction. This book shows how Sufis had non-linnear readings of the Quran which enabled them to make conceptual leaps in the same way as Derrida's techniques of deconstruction.
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Thanks for recommendations.
I found it interesting that Saladin was highly influenced by Sufism. His main source al-Ghazali.
P.H. Newby in his book, Saladin in his Time stated
"Had it not for al-Ghazali, Saladin would have been a fundamentalist than in practice he was because al-Ghazali was largely responsible for making mysticism respectable. For al-Ghazali the Sufi (from suf the garment sufis wore) path was one that led out of the despair into which at a crucial period of his life he had fallen. His 'dark night of the soul' came when he was a professor at the Nizamiya University in Baghdad and found that for all his mastery of scholastic theology he was without the spiritual experience necessary for that truly religious life which would ensure bliss in the world to come. His illumination came after years of ascetic contemplation. Al-Ghazali's search for truth tested the limits of human knowledge. As a result of his experience he wrote The Revival of the Religious Sciences which showed that true religion was not achieved merely by rituals or by mastering a lot of information (important though both of these were) but through a living awareness of divine values."Its is important to note that these exquisite values were the traits of Saladin, and the thrust by which he exercised during the course of events with the Crusaders.
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Yeah, I believe Al-Ghaz became as popular as he is because of Saladin's influence. He used him to overcome the Shia influence of the Fatimids of Egypt.
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I think there might actually be more branches of sufism than there is with islam confused
I'm still reading the page, but the Chishti Order (an order in particular known for tolerance and peace) supposedly follow the quran and the hadith rigidly
http//www.chishti.org/sufismquran.htm
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The Chisti order had some elements which made me very uncomfortable. I think quranists should arrive at their own 'sufi path' although sadly most of us are still stuck between traditionalism (like Mohamed Shiekh) and rationalism (Ghulam Ahmed Parwez). To me the Quran cannot fit either approach.