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Where did "wudu" come from??

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    Bender
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    Peace,

    I usually see this world as an unusually real video game, a simulation, way more realistic than the best games available. God set the game world and its rules at creation, and that is why this world feels like it has limitations as God created limitations. God created death and any other feature of the game.

    This gives a feeling of the Matrix, does it not?

    May God convince you

    Salaam Man of Faith,

    I understand what you mean. Just want you to know that it's not a game.

    2116 And We did not create the heavens and the earth and what is between them for entertainment.
    2117 If We wanted to be amused, We could have done so from what is already with Us, if that is what We wished to do.
    2118 No, We cast with the truth upon the falsehood, so it disrupts it, and then it retreats. And woe to you for what you have described.
    2119 And to Him is whoever is in the heavens and on the earth. And those who are near Him are not too proud to serve Him, nor do they complain.

    Salaam,
    Bender

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      Man_of_Faith
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      Peace Bender,

      The game thing was an allegory. Of course I know what you mean.

      Can you not draw a parallel between this life and a game?

      It is dead serious this life, and you have only one chance. A difficult game aye?

      Sometimes the game allegory makes it easier for me to cope with life.

      Hope you understood.

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        Bender
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        Peace Bender,

        The game thing was an allegory. Of course I know what you mean.

        Can you not draw a parallel between this life and a game?

        It is dead serious this life, and you have only one chance. A difficult game aye?

        Sometimes the game allegory makes it easier for me to cope with life.

        Hope you understood.

        Salaam,

        RED That's why I said that I understood what you meant with it
        Yes we can see it as some sort of game to make it easier to understand but Allah warns us that it's not a game, but dead serious.

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          Man_of_Faith
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          Peace Bender,

          It is no game for entertainment. As far as I know a game does not have to necessarily mean an amusement game.

          Anyway, it was in terms of showing allegorically that God has given us the game rules and a game world to use our character in the best possible way to redeem ourselves.

          Game features is what he created for this world, like death, birth, hunger, pain, reproduction, pleasure sensation etc. If He had wanted we could live without dieing, thus it is a rule of this game.

          Without talking in an allegorical way we can say; this is not a game, this is for real.

          Sorry now the topic has derailed. See how it can go.

          May God lead us on a straight path

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            Bender
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            Peace Bender,

            It is no game for entertainment. As far as I know a game does not have to necessarily mean an amusement game.

            Anyway, it was in terms of showing allegorically that God has given us the game rules and a game world to use our character in the best possible way to redeem ourselves.

            Game features is what he created for this world, like death, birth, hunger, pain, reproduction, pleasure sensation etc. If He had wanted we could live without dieing, thus it is a rule of this game.

            Without talking in an allegorical way we can say; this is not a game, this is for real.

            Sorry now the topic has derailed. See how it can go.

            May God lead us on a straight path

            Salaam,

            yes it was off topic I am very good in going off topic
            Anyway, the game subject could be a nice topic though

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              hawk99
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              Life is like a card game. God is the dealer, he deals everyone a hand, how you play is up to you.

              God is the cosmic card dealer, he is the house, he makes the rules, on can pout, cry foul, hate it,
              fall on the floor kicking and screaming like a three year old, ask why, philosophize, but the point
              of religion/path/way/deen is guidance and that God is All-Powerful and answers to no one.

              You cannot ask this dealer what he is doing or why or how he is dealing.

              Have they found gods on earth who can create?
              If there were in them (the heavens and the earth) other gods beside GOD, there would have been chaos. Glory be to GOD; the Lord with absolute authority. He is high above their claims.
              He is never to be asked about anything He does, while all others are questioned.

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                Man_of_Faith
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                Peace hawkninetynine,

                Thanks for a nice allegory. I got interested in creating a new thread with this allegorical view as a topic.

                Time in the game is elapsing.

                May God appreciate our jokes

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                  hawk99
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                  You are welcome my brother,

                  One can have a sense of humor, for it is God given

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                    mmkhan
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                    Life is like a card game. God is the dealer, he deals everyone a hand, how you play is up to you.

                    Peace, &

                    2116
                    2116 And We did not create the heaven and earth and that between them in play.

                    2117
                    2117 Had We intended to take a passtime, We could have taken it from with Us - if We were to do so.

                    May Allah help us understand the truth and guide us to Him alone pr
                    mmKhan

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                      hawk99
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                      Peace, &

                      2116
                      2116 And We did not create the heaven and earth and that between them in play.

                      2117
                      2117 Had We intended to take a passtime, We could have taken it from with Us - if We were to do so.

                      May Allah help us understand the truth and guide us to Him alone pr
                      mmKhan

                      Peace mmkhan,

                      You must understand what parable means, it's a moral or religious story, a short simple story intended to illustrate a moral or religious lesson.

                      aaaahhhh, language barriers!

                      may God guide us

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                        Wakas
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                        It is a fact according to how i understand the ayah (do you understand it any different?) the ayah is talking to people in general and then simply says if one does such a thing then you must (all) do tayamum.

                        So the argument no way tarnsishes waht Dr Zamman has said.

                        IF QZ and you were being consistent you'd say if one did X then all do tayamum, and if you ALL do y and z, you ALL do tayamum, then, ideally, explained why this was so, but he is silent on the issue. Likewise, you do not actually address the point I raise.

                        The rest of the counter argument can be no different.............it is some one who does believe in namaz ( i think) and just trying to save the day with baseless arguments.

                        As is clear from my many posts I do not believe in "namaz". As I said

                        I have noticed something about those who consider QZ's views credible, and that is they frequently make illogical arguments/statements.

                        All information is correct to the best of my knowledge only and thus should not be taken as a fact. One should always seek knowledge and verify for themselves when possible: 17:36, 20:114, 35:28, 49:6, 58:11.

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