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What does shirk/ mushrik mean, does it have anything to do with God ?

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    farida
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    Salaam
    The main question is what does it mean to take another god with Allah? Let us read Surah 18( The cave); 32-44 which gives us clues how shirk is committed by ordinary people.
    I am only going to paste parts of this surah to higlight this issue. As for the rest everyone can read for themselves with their preferred translation;
    34 "more wealth have I than you, and more honour and power among men." .....
    later the same wronged one says
    43 Would I had never ascribed partners to my Lord and Cherisher!"
    And the parable ends with this reminder
    44 There, the (only) protection comes from Allah, the True One. He is the Best to reward, and the Best to give success.
    According to this parable which is given to us to reflect shirk comes in several forms including; when one give's importance to power, people or wealth.
    Munafiqun are those people who put up the appearance of being submitters, but in fact give much importance to maintaining a hold on power and their reputation in the community.
    They make themselves equal to Allah by succeeding in deceiving the majority to follow them and their ideas. As I understand it that is why both the mushriq and munafiq come under the category of people who will not be forgiven and who would dwell in the lowest secton of hell.
    Maybe the worldly wise people should think twice? hmm

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      hey Farida, are u/was dawoodi bohra? o

      normally only shia ismaili keeps this name FARIDA.

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        Been thinking about this lately, does it realy have anything at all to do with God, or is it simply one causing devision in the society at large?

        Looking at the word in the quran - can it be linked somehow to God?

        confused

        Anybody! Thanks.......In advance

        Mushrik means HYPOCRITE, and in QURAAN this word is used for those, who were double faced and tried to trick MUHAMMED(s) by saying they brought IMAAN but in reality they were still KAFIR and unfortunately most mushrik died as KAFIR.

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          Mushrik means HYPOCRITE, and in QURAAN this word is used for those, who were double faced and tried to trick MUHAMMED(s) by saying they brought IMAAN but in reality they were still KAFIR and unfortunately most mushrik died as KAFIR.

          Of course, but we all i think fall into the fold , even if it is temporarily - when ever we go in opposition to God - as He can see us not following him , but something other.......even though we may regret it after.

          Each time we go in oposstion to the spirit of God.........it is shirk, as our master then isn't God, is he?

          Let us try and stay clean, most of the time at least............

          peace

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            AliHuzaifa
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            yeah sun

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              Salaam
              The main question is what does it mean to take another god with Allah? Let us read Surah 18( The cave); 32-44 which gives us clues how shirk is committed by ordinary people.
              I am only going to paste parts of this surah to higlight this issue. As for the rest everyone can read for themselves with their preferred translation;
              34 "more wealth have I than you, and more honour and power among men." .....
              later the same wronged one says
              43 Would I had never ascribed partners to my Lord and Cherisher!"
              And the parable ends with this reminder
              44 There, the (only) protection comes from Allah, the True One. He is the Best to reward, and the Best to give success.
              According to this parable which is given to us to reflect shirk comes in several forms including; when one give's importance to power, people or wealth.
              Munafiqun are those people who put up the appearance of being submitters, but in fact give much importance to maintaining a hold on power and their reputation in the community.
              They make themselves equal to Allah by succeeding in deceiving the majority to follow them and their ideas. As I understand it that is why both the mushriq and munafiq come under the category of people who will not be forgiven and who would dwell in the lowest secton of hell.
              Maybe the worldly wise people should think twice? hmm

              This is implicit reasoning. The story does not tell us that the people involved were not pagans for us to deduce what you concluded. You must base Quranic arguments from explicit verses. There are many explicit verses in the Quran about shirk.

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                Mushrik means HYPOCRITE, and in QURAAN this word is used for those, who were double faced and tried to trick MUHAMMED(s) by saying they brought IMAAN but in reality they were still KAFIR and unfortunately most mushrik died as KAFIR.

                A mushrik is kafir by definition. But kufr is a broader term. There is no similarity between the munafiqeen and mushriks in the Quran. The munafiqeen sometimes sided with the believers and sometimes with the Meccan pagans depending on whom they believed had the upper hand. I fail to see a real Quranic analysis here. Mostly relying on one or two verses usually by implicit reasoning. There are literaly hundreds of verses in the Quran about shirk. We must not be tempted to interpret shirk on how we want it to be but on how its talked about in the Quran and how it has been applied. The Quran tells us to go forth and see the legacy of those who disobeyed the prophets and refused to abandon their gods. The best way to know shirk is to study the religions of the mushriks.

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                  farida
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                  hey Farida, are u/was dawoodi bohra?

                  normally only shia ismaili keeps this name FARIDA.

                  I never wrote Farida nope as for the word" farida" it means "unique"

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                    I never wrote Farida nope as for the word" farida" it means "unique"

                    my aunty name is farida hmm

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                      my aunty name is farida hmm

                      Quite a common name among Turkish, Iranian and Pakistanis I think its has its origin in Iran who apart from their relegious belief are very civilised people
                      Salaam

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