Knocking on the doors of atheism
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So what you are saying is that your belief is shaped by people's attitude. Muslims and Christians are in general more arrogant and atheist tend to be less arrogant in how they treat others. And so you lean towards atheism
About figuring things out. Who said I or anybody else have figured things out and God judging you for not figuring things out? We only understand like 10% of how the brain functions. It is very simple as I said previously. Do you believe that a higher being created you or not? If the answer is no because you don't have that "evidence" then end of discussion. Suggest that you stop wasting your time here and go on with your busy life.
If you don't believe in God then simply doesn't make sense to talk about who goes to hell and heaven. It seems that you are so stuck in your thinking that "normal" people go to hell and you just cannot see any other way no matter what. Then I suggest that you stop wasting your time here. Instead of knocking on the doors to atheism, open the doors to atheism. Seems to me that you already have based on your posts.
Growing up, i was told that i am going to hell or will be in purgatory if i dont accept jesus as son of God. Either God had a son with human Mary or not. I tried to understand Christian beliefs. Read the bible. Read the Koran. Came to my conclusions that I don't agree with Christian beliefs and end of story. I don't argue with my Christian friends. I don't have issues with them. I am not bothered by their belief or behavior. I have a busy life and why would I waste my time on pedominately Christian forum asking the Christians for evidence to change my mind or having issues with their belief that I am going to hell for simply not accepting Jesus. Sure doesnt make sense to do that.
So confused, I suggest that you quit wasting your time here. You are right that hell is sadistic and normal people don't belong there. If that is what you understand Koran is saying then it makes sense to reject the koran and go on your way. Simply your life. As you say you find no evidence of God, then end of discussion. Seems to me that you are done knocking on the doors of atheism.
I have said enough. there is nothing new or more i can add and so I am done with my contribution on this post.
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So what you are saying is that your belief is shaped by people's attitude. Muslims and Christians are in general more arrogant and atheist tend to be less arrogant in how they treat others. And so you lean towards atheism
About figuring things out. Who said I or anybody else have figured things out and God judging you for not figuring things out? We only understand like 10% of how the brain functions. It is very simple as I said previously. Do you believe that a higher being created you or not? If the answer is no because you don't have that "evidence" then end of discussion. Suggest that you stop wasting your time here and go on with your busy life.
If you don't believe in God then simply doesn't make sense to talk about who goes to hell and heaven. It seems that you are so stuck in your thinking that "normal" people go to hell and you just cannot see any other way no matter what. Then I suggest that you stop wasting your time here. Instead of knocking on the doors to atheism, open the doors to atheism. Seems to me that you already have based on your posts.
Growing up, i was told that i am going to hell or will be in purgatory if i dont accept jesus as son of God. Either God had a son with human Mary or not. I tried to understand Christian beliefs. Read the bible. Read the Koran. Came to my conclusions that I don't agree with Christian beliefs and end of story. I don't argue with my Christian friends. I don't have issues with them. I am not bothered by their belief or behavior. I have a busy life and why would I waste my time on pedominately Christian forum asking the Christians for evidence to change my mind or having issues with their belief that I am going to hell for simply not accepting Jesus. Sure doesnt make sense to do that.
So confused, I suggest that you quit wasting your time here. You are right that hell is sadistic and normal people don't belong there. If that is what you understand Koran is saying then it makes sense to reject the koran and go on your way. Simply your life. As you say you find no evidence of God, then end of discussion. Seems to me that you are done knocking on the doors of atheism.
I have said enough. there is nothing new or more i can add and so I am done with my contribution on this post.
I read the first paragraph and refused to read the rest. NO I am not an atheist because I think Muslims are more arrogant then atheists. Do you think I am five years old or something? Even five year olds have more brains than that. I was simply responding to your claim that atheists are arrogant and nothing more. But you latched to that of course.
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Do you think I am five years old or something? Even five year olds have more brains than that.
Really and you wrote this; people who really hurt humanity, like Hitler, Saddam Hussein, Mubarak, rebel leaders in Africa who maime and murder people, also killers and rapists.
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I read the first paragraph and refused to read the rest. NO I am not an atheist because I think Muslims are more arrogant then atheists. Do you think I am five years old or something? Even five year olds have more brains than that. I was simply responding to your claim that atheists are arrogant and nothing more. But you latched to that of course.
I suggest that you go back and read my posts. Seems to me that you read what you want to read. No, I don't claim all atheists are arrogant. As I said, not all atheists are alike and the same. My brother is agnostic and far from arrogant. I have friends who are atheists.
There are those who turn to atheism out of arrogance and ignorance. Do you refute that? Perhaps you have not encountered all the different types of atheists. Just the same, the nicest people I have across have been Christians and Muslims in particular Sunnis.
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Growing up, i was told that i am going to hell or will be in purgatory if i dont accept jesus as son of God. Either God had a son with human Mary or not. I tried to understand Christian beliefs. Read the bible. Read the Koran. Came to my conclusions that I don't agree with Christian beliefs and end of story. I don't argue with my Christian friends. I don't have issues with them. I am not bothered by their belief or behavior. I have a busy life and why would I waste my time on pedominately Christian forum asking the Christians for evidence to change my mind or having issues with their belief that I am going to hell for simply not accepting Jesus. Sure doesnt make sense to do that.Perfect! needs to be repeated over and over again
Peace
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Yes please do spell out to me. What is nature and how did this nature managed to design me and you so differently, us being of the same species?You mean like.... answer questions with questions )It's not my fault if you feel that way.Me giving you advice? nopeRe-read what I wrote .... who is at your service desperately trying to restore.....
This conversation is useless and going nowhere.
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The term refers to a person who rejects God or who hides, denies, or covers the "truth."
This shows you how ridiculous some people are who write in Wikipedia. You have read my definition and explanation so many times and you still quote this nonsense? What am I doing wrong?
Can you remember just one thing maybe rejection is for proven thing!!!
"Kafara," which shares the Arabic root K-F-R with "kafir," means to "disbelieve," and also to be "thankless," "ungrateful," "disown," or "deny."
Is there any value which I am missing in writing about kafara when discussing kafir?
Is there any value in bringing up the definitions at all?I can bring up the definitions of many derogatory words and still refrain from using them.
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Ma yujadilu fee ayati Allahi illa allatheena kafaroo fala yaghrurka taqallubuhum fee albiladi
No one disputes concerning the signs of Allah except those who disbelieve, so be not deceived by their movement throughout the land.
One's approval or disapproval of God's words is between them and God.
Peace,
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I suggest that you go back and read my posts. Seems to me that you read what you want to read. No, I don't claim all atheists are arrogant. As I said, not all atheists are alike and the same. My brother is agnostic and far from arrogant. I have friends who are atheists.
There are those who turn to atheism out of arrogance and ignorance. Do you refute that? Perhaps you have not encountered all the different types of atheists. Just the same, the nicest people I have across have been Christians and Muslims in particular Sunnis.
Dis you even read what I wrote? Once again you misread what I said. I did NOT say you accuse atheists of being arrogant. WHEN DID I SAY THAT???? I was only refuting your weird argument that I became an atheist because they are less arrogant than Muslims and hence "lean" towards them more. That's like if you tell me that you don't like pork and I say "ah, that's why you became a Muslim, they don't eat pork." Please read slowly before responding.
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I suggest that you go back and read my posts. Seems to me that you read what you want to read. No, I don't claim all atheists are arrogant. As I said, not all atheists are alike and the same. My brother is agnostic and far from arrogant. I have friends who are atheists.
There are those who turn to atheism out of arrogance and ignorance. Do you refute that? Perhaps you have not encountered all the different types of atheists. Just the same, the nicest people I have across have been Christians and Muslims in particular Sunnis.
I am starting to think that you are misreading my posts on purpose. When did I say you accuse atheists of being arrogant. WHEN??? I was simply responding to an accusation you made to ME. I am not responding to anything you say until you stop this childishness. This is not conclusive to a good debate.
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Really and you wrote this; people who really hurt humanity, like Hitler, Saddam Hussein, Mubarak, rebel leaders in Africa who maime and murder people, also killers and rapists.
brickwallYes I did write this. If you have an argument against it, please post it. But a smiley banging its head doesn't make much sense to me.
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Perfect! needs to be repeated over and over again
Peace
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However, if this person, has a little of the old faith in Christianity left, and is worried that she made the wrong decision, then it would be normal to go into Christian forums and ask questions.
Why do you people want me to shut up? Why are you upset that I opened a thread on atheism on a Muslim forum? The only point of this thread was to open a debate, see what people have to say, analyze different point of views and see if I feel less confused by the end. Isn't this the whole point of religious forums, to DISCUSS RELIGION???
And if people feel upset by this thread, why don't you just skip.
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The homepage of Free Minds has this statement
This website invites all people of various beliefs (Sunni, Shia, Christian, Jewish, Buddhist, Hindu, Bahai, Agnostic, Humanist, and even Atheists) to come and examine for themselves the system of Submission/Islam which is based on God Alone.
So why are people here upset that an atheist came in and opened a thread? Isn't that the whole point of this forum?
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I am starting to think that you are misreading my posts on purpose. When did I say you accuse atheists of being arrogant. WHEN??? I was simply responding to an accusation you made to ME. I am not responding to anything you say until you stop this childishness. This is not conclusive to a good debate.
Confused, if anyone is acting childish i don't think it is me. Telling me that I am purposely misreading your posts is a allegation. Trust me, I have far better things to do than waste my time. I did not take time from my life to purposely misread you and make accusations of you. I have nothing to gain from doing that.
What I have noticed from reading your post is that if you don't like what is said or you find something upsetting, you then don't listen to anything else and you see what you want to see missing the whole point. You did that with IAMOP and others. I wonder if this is the way you also approach in reading the Koran?
Perhaps you are not being clear in expressing yourself. I am not the only one who has this impression that your confusion and issues are from what you see and observe Muslims do which you have repeatedly stated. I know people who have left Islam or non-Muslims who don't embrace Islam based on what they see and observe. This doesn't make them childish.
Listen confused, you don't have to respond to me. I don't expect that. It is not me that you have to answer to at the end. Whether you turn to atheism, Islam or anything else, what difference would it make to me and why would I care? Why would you expect others to care when you have this attitude which really turns people off? One thing that I have noticed about people is that if you approach stating listen, I am really confused and having problems/issues with concepts.....people would receive you in a different way wanting to help you become less confused.
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Peace confused.
Quote So why are people here upset that an atheist came in and opened a thread? Isn't that the whole point of this forum?
Listen brother/sister, you are more than welcome to open as many threads as you like. it is " free" minds.
However please also " open" your mind . Do not close it. For example if you say you have not read a post after you answered it, is this fair to contributors?Peace.
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So why are people here upset that an atheist came in and opened a thread? Isn't that the whole point of this forum?
I don't think people are upset that an atheist opened up a thread. However, people do want to know why. I think that you need to make yourself clear of your reasons.
it was not clear to me at the start that you are an atheist. I am sure you have your reasons for your belief or disbelief just as faithful-jinn has made himself clear. So wondering what do you hope to come and examine for yourself here? What is it that you want to know that will help you decide that you made the right choices/decision? when you are closed to differing views, then I fail to understand what is it that you are wanting? if you are not open to reading different views and refuse to read posts if you don't like what is said or perceive was said, then why bother?
You don't have to agree with what others have said, but at least it would be nice on your part to appreciate that people have taken time to share their views, understanding and beliefs. People have tried to help you see things.
What I have learned from my personal experience is that if you are sincerely trying to figure things out for yourself and really want to learn and understand, people are very open to that wanting to help in your search for your truths. Of course keep in mind that people will try to sway you to believe what they believe to be the truth. It is for you to think and decide for yourself. But if you start arguing and reacting negatively, personally attacking people, then you cannot expect people to then respond to you in a positive manner.
If you are confused as you say and sincerely wanting to put out any doubts, then I suggest that you take a different approach with an open mind, willing and wanting to listen and understand. Also internet has made it so much easier. There are lot of books out there that you can read. I have read personal stories of what lead people to be atheist, and what lead them to then become believers. I have lurked forums, websites listening to various religious groups and sects to learn about where I stand. It helps a lot in reading opposing view points.
If you are looking for us to provide you with evidence or to change your mind of what you have come to disbelief then expect to be disappointed. If you are confused and looking to be less confused wanting us to share our beliefs, thoughts, views to help you then I am sure people will be open but if you are closed reacting the way that you have, then don't expect people to really care.
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Are your disbelievers better than those disbelievers? Have you been absolved by the scripture?
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Peace confused.
Quote So why are people here upset that an atheist came in and opened a thread? Isn't that the whole point of this forum?
Listen brother/sister, you are more than welcome to open as many threads as you like. it is " free" minds.
However please also " open" your mind . Do not close it. For example if you say you have not read a post after you answered it, is this fair to contributors?Peace.
I am starting to doubt the logics of your logics.
Could you please explain what you mean by "open" your mind?
Is your mind open enough to accept Thor as a god? Or are you so close minded that you will immediately reject any notion that Thor could be a god?
Have you closed your mind to the fact that Allah is the only god for you?
If you are so close minded on an issue, why do you expect others to be open minded on the very same issue?