New Groundbreaking Arabic Book: Peacemaking from the Quran

Zulf

Just wanted to add a thought I had regarding that Allah = the god, with def. article and all.

Traditional Muslims consider 'Allah' as a personal name of the God, but it becomes quite interesting when you think of the situations when personal names are needed and used, which is when there are several individual entities and one would like to be able to separate them from eachother for the purpose of identification.

The purpose of a personal name is incompatible with the quranic concept of God. There is no need for a personal name of God since there are no other gods to keep separate.... but perhaps people fancy having Allah has one of many other entities of worship.

hmm

Peace

Timur

Peace brother Ayman.

This is definitely an area needing further research. This is especially since the use of matres lectionis is sometimes inconsistent. For example, the word is spelled with a Matres Lectionis as through out the great reading except in 4112 where it is spelled as .

I agree that further research on this matter is needed. However, are you sure about the case of ? I have just checked its spelling in 4112 in several manuscripts but only in the Kodex Samarkand there is an alif and even there it is behind the mim and not behind the waw . Probably this is a simple typo of the scribe. Hence I think should always be spelled without an alif.

In order to give an example here is a picture of the passage in the Kodex Topkap Saray M?zesi

http//s1.directupload.net/images/130313/phqxe2f8.png

You can access the manuscripts on this site http//www.corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/41/vers/12?handschrift=2

Peace be with you,

Timur

ayman

Peace brother Timur,

Peace brother Ayman.

I agree that further research on this matter is needed. However, are you sure about the case of ? I have just checked its spelling in 4112 in several manuscripts but only in the Kodex Samarkand there is an alif and even there it is behind the mim and not behind the waw . Probably this is a simple typo of the scribe. Hence I think should always be spelled without an alif.

In order to give an example here is a picture of the passage in the Kodex Topkap Saray M?zesi

http//s1.directupload.net/images/130313/phqxe2f8.png

You can access the manuscripts on this site http//www.corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/41/vers/12?handschrift=2

Peace be with you,

Timur

It could be a spelling mistake but not a typo (typing was not invented yet)

This inconsistent use of matres Lectionis is also seen in other words such as in passages 1338, 154, 1827 and 271.

Peace,

Ayman

Timur

Peace brother Ayman.

It could be a spelling mistake but not a typo (typing was not invented yet)

Haha, thank you for correcting rotfl As I see you got what I meant nonetheless

This inconsistent use of matres Lectionis is also seen in other words such as in passages 1338, 154, 1827 and 271.

I have checked those verses on
http//www.corpuscoranicum.de/handschriften/index/sure/27/vers/1?handschrift=163
and for each of these verses I have found manuscripts wherein is consistently written without an alif. Hence I think this is most probably the original spelling of the word.

Peace,

Timur

Wilson

BUMP

English translation here http//www.quran4peace.org/en_index.html

unknownuser

BUMP

English translation here http//www.quran4peace.org/en_index.html

Thanks. From what I have read so far, it seems like an interesting and thought-provoking book. I like the book. However, I am not sure if the word peacemaker is the correct english translation of the word muslim. If I remember correctly, according to M.Asad the word muslim means someone who has surrendered himself/herself to God. Since I can't speak arabic and have not studied the word "muslim" in detail, I can't accept this translation of the word yet. Therefore I am critical. But at the same time I am open to the idea that the word muslim means peacemaker. I have to study this word in detail before I make a decision whether I should acccept or reject the interpretation/translation. That being said, Ayman seems like a believer with deep knowledge about islam, quran and the classical arabic language, and I appreciate his effort for writing this book.

Wilson

"According to M.Asad"

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You're right. You should be critical.

Man_of_Faith

Salaam,

Peacemaker may be accurate, Islam is about coming to a peace of mind with oneself and the surroundings. Absolutely certainty about the Truth is when one is a true Believer.

I have come to like the term Truthseeker instead of Peacemaker, even if the word does not translate into this. It is a sort of paraphrasing on my part, but it cannot be too far from the Truth. It is the goal of Islam anyway, to seek the Truth to attain absolute certainty, and I suppose this is when you can consider yourself Mu?min.

After all, the peace thing about Islam is to gain a balanced soul through following the Light of God. Peace of mind.

This is my interpretation of the religion anyway, I accept any righteous suggestions.

God bless you

Zulf

It starts with what 'islam' and 'salaam' etc actually and really are. Then if we grasp this, we may describe it with words. This is the direction it should go. It is not the words that define the concepts. The English word 'peace' doesn't do justice to 'islam/salaam'... but it is of course a part of it that we can use to understand the bigger concept.

Cheers

Man_of_Faith

Salaam zulf,

Peacemaker, or Muslim, as I understand it, is to seek an inner peace within yourself, that you may in return ascend on the religious path. That is my current interpretation of the word Peacemaker and why it may translate into this compound verb. The making thing is searching for peace in your own soul by seeking His nearness and guidance.

I like to use Truthseeker in conjunction with the Peacemaker "translation", to further define Muslim in English. If you are absolutely certain about the Truth, then you are well on your way into the Light.

I am thinking whether or not Mu?min describes this condition, , when you have become absolutely certain and have no doubt whatsoever.

Believer is an awkward translation of the word Mu?min, I am searching for alternatives, but so far I found none except describe Believer with additional words, i. e true Believer etc.

My own nickname here is perhaps an unintended attempt to describe Mu?min. Without intention to brag or shine, I consider myself a Mu?min, but of course it is God who has the final say in that. Absolutely certain I am, at least, with no doubt.

I am very happy that I discovered this Internet forum, because it has given me so many ideas I would probably otherwise never gotten. I must say thay people like you, through the grace of God, really help to develop the mind. A little piece of Truth in your words is enough, even if we are not entirely right always, it is difficult to determine who is right and who is wrong, in the end it does not matter, as long as we intend to be righteous and worship the Lord alone.

First, when I arrived here, I was a bit skeptical to the heavy reform of Islam here, but now I am more liberal about it. Nothing is wrong except the unrighteous acts, is my belief now. I was never narrow-minded, but I voiced my concerns.

Now it feels like I belong to a brotherhood of friends and I like your thoughts and I seldom criticize them harshly. Controversial thinking is only beneficial for the mind, mind exercise.