Understanding the process used in 14:4
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Reading the process of delivery of the messages to people I stumbled over 144, where I don't understand the process and require suggestions and brain stimulation.
Pickthall And We never sent a messenger save with the language of his folk, that he might make (the message) clear for them. Then Allah sendeth whom He will astray, and guideth whom He will. He is the Mighty, the Wise.
My questions regarding the first part
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We never sent a messenger = messengers were sent but were they sent from Arabia or from within the recipients?
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save with the language of his folk = speaking the language of the messenger or the language of the recipients?
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he might make (the message) clear for them = clarifying something, which is not specified, but it must be important, as the translator inserts something not explicitly mentioned, the message, ie the Koran?
What I would appreciate is the description of the process. Like who was transporting what to a place like Iceland.
What am I missing or overlooking?
Was an Icelandic person selected to speak to the people in Icelandic?
What do you think he said; what was the message?
Was a messenger sent to Iceland from Arabia?
Did this messenger speak Arabic or the Icelandic?
Was this before, during or after the revelation of the Koran? -
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141 ALR a book/scripture/record We sent it thee that you bring out al-nas/the humankind from the darkness to the light by permission their Lord to path The Mighty The Praiseworthy 142 The God The One Who to Him what in the skies/heavens and what in the earth and woe to the disbelievers from punishment severe 143 the ones who love more the life the world over the afterlife and hinder about path The God and seek in it crookedness indeed those in misguidance error distant 144 and not We sent from messenger only/except speech his clan/folk to clarify for them so let?s stray The God from wills and guides from wills and He The Mighty The Wise 145 and surely We sent Moses with our signs that bring forth your people from the darkness to the light and remind them in days The God indeed in that surely signs to each patient thankful
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If a messenger was sent it was from within.
Qur'an is translation to Arabic of some events. -
If a messenger was sent it was in language understood.
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Yes Qur'an is for all humanity available for all the guided.
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If a messenger was sent it was from within.
Qur'an is translation to Arabic of some events. -
If a messenger was sent it was in language understood.
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Yes Qur'an is for all humanity available for all the guided.
Thank you for your opinion. I don't really know how to understand your comment "Qur'an is translation to Arabic of some events". If a messenger was sent to the people of Iceland, did the messenger convey a message in Icelandic which was translated into the Arabic of the Koran?
But then, if the message is the Koran, was it available in Icelandic? -
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If you wish to read up on it
http//quransmessage.com/articles/is%20arabic%20a%20holy%20language%20FM3.htm
http//quransmessage.com/articles/why%20in%20Arabic%20FM3.htm
Thanks for the links. I know the story and I know the claims in the Koran. But it's good to get confirmation that I have indeed understood it the same way as others do.
However, I do NOT understand the process. Who said what to whom in what language and where. The Koran is not clear on what is meant here. What is it that was "made clear"?
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Reading the process of delivery of the messages to people I stumbled over 144, where I don't understand the process and require suggestions and brain stimulation.
Pickthall And We never sent a messenger save with the language of his folk, that he might make (the message) clear for them. Then Allah sendeth whom He will astray, and guideth whom He will. He is the Mighty, the Wise.
My questions regarding the first part
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We never sent a messenger = messengers were sent but were they sent from Arabia or from within the recipients?
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save with the language of his folk = speaking the language of the messenger or the language of the recipients?
-
he might make (the message) clear for them = clarifying something, which is not specified, but it must be important, as the translator inserts something not explicitly mentioned, the message, ie the Koran?
What I would appreciate is the description of the process. Like who was transporting what to a place like Iceland.
What am I missing or overlooking?
Was an Icelandic person selected to speak to the people in Icelandic?
What do you think he said; what was the message?
Was a messenger sent to Iceland from Arabia?
Did this messenger speak Arabic or the Icelandic?
Was this before, during or after the revelation of the Koran?- We never sent a messenger = messengers were sent but were they sent from Arabia or from within the recipients?
Each messenger is chosen in the language of his own clan to whom he shall stand a moral model, a witness and a living sign of Quran.
- save with the language of his folk = speaking the language of the messenger or the language of the recipients?
The messengers always are being chosen from among the brethren of a community who speak their own dialect such as Nuh, Ibrahim, Hud, Salih, Shuaib, Musa, Esa, Muhammad and so on who were chosen from among the different communities of variable languages and dialects.
- he might make (the message) clear for them = clarifying something, which is not specified, but it must be important, as the translator inserts something not explicitly mentioned, the message, ie the Koran?
Messengers are being chosen from among the recipients to speak of the Quran whose ayats are viable to any point of time before the universe was created, and in the present position of the universe and after the demise of the universe.
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144 has stumbled me a lot. Quran clearly states that 'We never sent forth any rasul (messenger) except in the tongue of his people....'
None of the classical interpretations in English have satisfied me, and enemies of Islam have used this to further their own aims.Essentially there are two explanations that I am inclined to explore further...
Mohammed Asad in his footnotes for this Ayat writes;
Since every divine writ was meant to be understood by man, it is obvious that each had to be formulated in the language of the people whom the particular prophet was addressing in the first instance; and the Qur'an - notwithstanding its universal import (cf. note 126 on 715 - is no exception in this respect.
Here M Asad's explanation depends on the use of 'in the first instance' - not entirely satisfactory.The second explanation hinges on the definition (and difference) between nabi (prophet) and rasul (messenger). The quran supports a difference in meaning here, and the most convincing (thus far to me) difference put forward is that Nabi brought a scripture/message (Prophet Muhammed, Moses & Aaron, Jesus, ...) and the role of the messenger is to clearly explain that message.
I believe knowing this distinction helps understand a lot of verses of Quran, which have perplexed me otherwise, and I also believe it may put you on the path of answering your questions!I don't want to ever write anything that may mislead anyone hence I've left my remarks rather open ended for your research, but nonetheless felt compelled to write because I think your answer is in the second explanation (the use of word rasul).
Qamar
