If "Only Allah", then "Allah Alone" is our watchword

[DrGm]

peace Dr,

every-time as i read the ayats, i get locked in some of the ayat. i see that ayat as the interlock between me and the ayat at that particular point of time. then this ayat links with the another ayat for confirmation and clarity. in this way, as once you have said earlier, every ayat is interlinked.

again, in this way, i wonder how 7127; 335, 36; 5729 is interlinked in your posts. really a blessing, humans evolve if they can interlink the ayats in their life.

Allah alone is sufficient for the interlinks in more number of ayats paving the way for our easy living.

peace

[Joe_Betik]

The Prayer for the Expecting Mothers

Most pregnant women pray to their God and say O my God, make my pregnancy be uneventful; and may my delivery be smooth; I want a healthy cuddly male baby; or female baby and nothing more. But --

When the wife of 'Imran said "O my God! I vow to surrender what is in my womb to be at Your services; so accept this, from me. Verily, You are the All-Hearer, the All-Knowing." And when she delivered her female baby she further said, "I turn to You to save her and her progenies from the accursed evil-force."

Allah accepts this prayer of Imran's wife as a beautiful prayer; He not only gave her a female baby but kept her pure from shaitan even nearing her all through her life and made her the most chaste woman in all the worlds.

The above in green should be the prayer of all pregnant women during pregnancy and on delivering the baby. Imran's wife is only an ordinary woman whose prayer and submission is well received and answered with a beautiful reward by the Almighty Allah. This confirms what Allah says in 5729 So that the people holding on to the Book may know that they have no power whatsoever over the Grace of Allah, and that His Grace is in His Hand to bestow it on whomsoever He wills. And Allah is the Owner of Great Bounty.

All women shall follow the prayer of the wife of Imran, and be blessed with the Bounties and Grace from Him from every direction.

Salam drfazl (hope you have been unblocked by now),

This prayer of Imran's wife is excellent as far as I am concerned, because she has totally surrendered her pregnancy to God. However, are wives today really prepared for it?

Now, lets look at the events after the prayer. Meaning, we look at what happened to her.

So then she gave birth to a baby. Is the baby a male? Or a female?

Please read 336 here http//corpus.quran.com/translation.jsp?chapter=3&verse=36

For the sake of discussion, lets read Yusuf Ali

When she was delivered, she said (Falamma wadaAAat-ha qalat)
"O my Lord! Behold! I am delivered of a female child!"- (rabbi innee wadaAAtuha ontha)
and Allah knew best what she brought forth- (waAllahu aAAlamu bima wadaAAat)
"And no wise is the male Like the female. (walaysa alththakaru kaalontha)
I have named her Mary, (wa-innee sammaytuha maryama)
and I commend her and her offspring to Thy protection from the Evil One, the Rejected." (wa-innee oAAeethuha bika wathurriyyataha mina alshshaytani alrrajeem)

So the question is, what is 'ontha'? Here is the entry by Hans Wehr, on page 30.

http//s26.postimg.org/irdequmbt/a_n_th.jpg

While this is the entry for 'thakar' on page 310.

http//s26.postimg.org/aj6vs451l/th_k_r_2.jpg

I trust this phrase is the key "... walaysa alththakaru kaalontha ..."

Yusuf Ali "And no wise is the male Like the female.
Sahih International And the male is not like the female.
Pickthall the male is not as the female;
Shakir and the male is not like the female,
Muhammad Sarwar Male and female are not alike.
Mohsin Khan "And the male is not like the female,
Arberry the male is not as the female.
A Monotheist Translation "And the male is not like the female,

Really, what does this phrase ("... walaysa alththakaru kaalontha ...&quot mean?

If it is a baby (boy) the Arabic is 'tifl' (t-f-l), and 'tiflah' for a baby girl.

Literally the phrase means

walaysa alththakaru and/as the male/penis is not
kaalontha like feminine/unmanly

So we could either read it like this and/as the male is not like feminine
Or and/as the penis is not like unmanly

Either way, this phrase should clearly indicate that the baby was
a. feminine or unmanly; and
b. has a male organ

In fact, traditionally 'ontha' refers to 'a girl/woman with unmanly penis'.

And Maryam was an 'ontha', born to the respected Family of Imran, but raised by Zakariya, a respected elder (hukm) in his community. Even in Zakariya's care, Maryam was confined to a room away from people. We read about this in 337 (http//corpus.quran.com/translation.jsp?chapter=3&verse=37).

In the same verse we also learn about how close was Maryam with God, so much so that God even provided her with unimaginable (at least to Zakariya) provisions. Then Maryam was to be pregnant without a husband. She later left the comfort of Zakariya's care and gave birth to Isha under a palm tree.

Just imagine how great was Maryam's tests, trials and tribulations. Imagine the shock (or perhaps even shame) of her parents. Imagine the look and talk of the people around Maryam. Most people would be bewildered with a daughter like Maryam. Her mother was not an exception, since she gave Maryam to Zakariya's care. Then Maryam got pregnant without a husband. Then the birth of Isha. But as a true servant of God, totally submitting herself to God, Maryam overcame all obstacles with gratitude.

To me, the narrative (hadith) on Maryam is a indeed a reminder to all of us (generations after Maryam) about

Being careful and wise with what we say to God. While there are times when we need to be general (indefinite) about what we ask for or pledge to, there are also times when we need to be very definite. Otherwise, everything will be up to God alone to determine, as in the case of Maryam's mother. She pledged her pregnancy totally and solely to God, and she didn't give birth to a male nor a female, but an 'ontha'. Are we prepared for that?

But instead we should take lessons from Zakariya. "As if it is hard/difficult!" ("Kahiya AAassa" from 'Kaf Ha Ya Ain Sod' in 191). Zakariya was very definite in his prayers to God. Please read 191 to 196. So understandably, God was definite with His reply.

But this is merely my personal comprehension. It may not necessarily be the truth to anyone of you.

God be with you guys.

Cheers!
mohammed noh

[drfazl]

Salam drfazl (hope you have been unblocked by now),

This prayer of Imran's wife is excellent as far as I am concerned, because she has totally surrendered her pregnancy to God. However, are wives today really prepared for it?

Now, lets look at the events after the prayer. Meaning, we look at what happened to her.

So then she gave birth to a baby. Is the baby a male? Or a female?

Joe Betik
Salam

Keep God more in mind and discard the rubbishes.

Your thinking points to me you are original and not a follower of majority people's ways and so towards wisdom you are moved on; Allah guides those who listen to all such wise thinking selfs when they assemble and exchange among them their light weight to heavy weight perspectives and notions with a view to a greater understanding and for a broader sense of application so that each of them are fine tuned all the time, by Allah. For Allah loves them all.

Based on your light, the ayat is

When she was delivered, she said
"O my Lord! Behold! I am delivered of a feminine male!"-
and Allah knew best what she brought forth-
"And the male is not like that I have 'feminined';
Or, the penis is not like unmanly."
"I have named her Mary,
and I commend her and her offspring to Thy protection from the Evil One, the Rejected."

Based on this light you shall say Adam was created with male and female component and then from the twin of him the female is separated; thereafter male and female originated as the finality of human creation. Though this was from the comic caricature of hadith graphics, the view is strongly instilled into the largest section of theologians of various scriptures, the truth is Adam is mankind with males and females cropped out of the sand as the first creation with a word 'Be' from Him all over the world. Depending upon the nature of the sand the humans are of different color, different faces, their height, the weight; and due to the differences in the sands' nature, one human race is born with such of all morphological variations.

This apart, is there any reference in Quran that God created male and female in one; and such are the blessed people to give rise to people of prophets' status?

Is it to be feared if we are not precise in our submission to Allah, we should face difficult tests on this earth because of our entrusting wholesomely for a handsome reward? Any referential ayats?

Our submission is mostly with regard to our future; and our future is entirely with Allah. We put our Trust in Him alone for all life to come. This in mind I pray to God, " O Allah, the God of the universes, I entrust myself and my family to You under Your responsibility and do not leave us under our care, ever; and You guide us in the Straight path."

I want to clear this from you Joe, before going into other parts of your post, which I do want to.

And Maryam was an 'ontha', born to the respected Family of Imran, but raised by Zakariya, a respected elder (hukm) in his community. Even in Zakariya's care, Maryam was confined to a room away from people. We read about this in 337 (http//corpus.quran.com/translation.jsp?chapter=3&verse=37).

In the same verse we also learn about how close was Maryam with God, so much so that God even provided her with unimaginable (at least to Zakariya) provisions. Then Maryam was to be pregnant without a husband. She later left the comfort of Zakariya's care and gave birth to Isha under a palm tree.

Just imagine how great was Maryam's tests, trials and tribulations. Imagine the shock (or perhaps even shame) of her parents. Imagine the look and talk of the people around Maryam. Most people would be bewildered with a daughter like Maryam. Her mother was not an exception, since she gave Maryam to Zakariya's care. Then Maryam got pregnant without a husband. Then the birth of Isha. But as a true servant of God, totally submitting herself to God, Maryam overcame all obstacles with gratitude.

To me, the narrative (hadith) on Maryam is a indeed a reminder to all of us (generations after Maryam) about

Being careful and wise with what we say to God. While there are times when we need to be general (indefinite) about what we ask for or pledge to, there are also times when we need to be very definite. Otherwise, everything will be up to God alone to determine, as in the case of Maryam's mother. She pledged her pregnancy totally and solely to God, and she didn't give birth to a male nor a female, but an 'ontha'. Are we prepared for that?

But instead we should take lessons from Zakariya. "As if it is hard/difficult!" ("Kahiya AAassa" from 'Kaf Ha Ya Ain Sod' in 191). Zakariya was very definite in his prayers to God. Please read 191 to 196. So understandably, God was definite with His reply.

But this is merely my personal comprehension. It may not necessarily be the truth to anyone of you.

God be with you guys.

Cheers!
mohammed noh

Salam

[DrGm]

Adam is mankind with males and females cropped out of the sand as the first creation with a word 'Be' from Him all over the world. Depending upon the nature of the sand the humans are of different color, different faces, their height, the weight; and due to the differences in the sands' nature, one human race is born with such of all morphological variations.

peace Dr,

i wish to join in this discussion from a different angle apart from Joe Betik's.

mankind with different colours is due to their amount of exposure to sunlight. this is the argument from the people who call themselves as scientists. how is this argument seen in the light of quran.

peace

[drfazl]

peace Dr,

i wish to join in this discussion from a different angle apart from Joe Betik's.

mankind with different colours is due to their amount of exposure to sunlight. this is the argument from the people who call themselves as scientists. how is this argument seen in the light of quran.

peace

DrGm,
Peace.

Science means seeing anything through the external sight and the external senses before believing it. Science has no inner vision; and the believers in the science are a community devoid of perception of materially non-existing things such as life-force, mind, belief, God etc and they are a people whose insight is blinded almost. For this reason they cannot believe God, they cannot understand the life-force, their perception about mind is vague - yet all these are arguable materials for them; their science dealing with this field is compilation of wild conjectures called philosophies.

Color, shape, size, height, weight - all such and more are The Only Designer's Fashioning and none shall have any definite say as to how and why things are like this way, and that. Unless they prove with their scientific methodology such as this that a population of whites settle down in Africa for a few generations and confirm through their scientific external senses that their offsprings have become black. And let a community of blacks settle down in England and see if their offsprings turn white. Have they done this test? No. The truth is this those whose generations are the descendants from the first crop of man from their original sands, as the whole of Adam's community first propped up in the entire land of the earth, in one 'go', do have the inherent quality of color, never to change.

The Adam's community of the world, the first crop of generations from all over the world began moving from one place to another place via land and the sea mixing with the people of different lands of various crops and getting to know each other with their insight and mind perceptivity; and understanding them all as the same humans with their cognitive constancy.

Sun burning to change the white color to brown or black; or snow bathing to change brown or black color to white is impossible. It is very evident from the fact that the sun or snow bathers never were able to change their skin colours, or give birth to dark colored or white coloured off springs after tanning during their pregnancies.

Scientists form a great majority section of the people who are blinded by the insight; and the products of their external senses and their knowledge would soon become obsolete, turn yellow, become crusts, and disappear into thin air as the time passes by. All that their science delivers to them is fake and destructive and objectionable objects as their inventions. It never caters to the insight and visionary life of a human being. They are the people who debate and argue with pride for no use to them or to the human race.

From Quran's perspective the relevance of 6 116 absolutely fits the context the world is in

Thus "Never follow the science of the people on the earth; lest they should deviate you from the Inspiring Sign of your insight and make you loiter and go astray chasing every object you see through your illusionary sci-fi external sights; they follow nothing but hypotheses; and they are a people drowned in their own hypotheses."

[Noon_waalqalami]

Either way, this phrase should clearly indicate that the baby was
a. feminine or unmanly; and
b. has a male organ

In fact, traditionally 'ontha' refers to 'a girl/woman with unmanly penis'.

Based on your light, the ayat is

When she was delivered, she said
"O my Lord! Behold! I am delivered of a feminine male!"-

Peace -- bizarre translation! It is clear untha in all occurrences means female.

336 so when delivered her said she lord that I delivered her untha/female and the god of knowledge in what delivered and not is the male as the female

411 directs you the god in children yours lildhakari/to the male like share al-unthayayni/the female two

[unknownuser]

When she was delivered, she said
"O my Lord! Behold! I am delivered of a feminine male!"-
and Allah knew best what she brought forth-
"And the male is not like that I have 'feminined';
Or, the penis is not like unmanly."
"I have named her Mary,
and I commend her and her offspring to Thy protection from the Evil One, the Rejected."

Ya Allooooh!!!

[drfazl]

@ Earthdom,

No need to exclaim with such emotion; the discussion had just started; have some patience. Instead of reacting, come out with your explanation in a beautiful manner. We are all here to take the best of the revelations, for sure.

@ Noon waalqalami,

While appreciating your effort at giving the translation, I would also want you to say your view on it; participate and put in your valuable comprehension if they have advantage over others' views with a goodly revelation.

Peace,
In the Name of Allah, Knower of all Things, Most Wise.

[drfazl]

Association of Human 'arabic-gymnastics' to God's Verbatim

Salam drfazl

This prayer of Imran's wife is excellent as far as I am concerned, because she has totally surrendered her pregnancy to God. However, are wives today really prepared for it?

Now, lets look at the events after the prayer. Meaning, we look at what happened to her.

So then she gave birth to a baby. Is the baby a male? Or a female?

Salam,
Joe Betik, Noon waalqalami, Earthdom,

Imran's wife said to God "336 I delivered a female child!" i.e a very normal female child as we all would appreciate a baby as to what gender it is. When Imran's wife said this, she meant to her God, 'how a female baby could do all God's commands before a male dominated community and be of service in His cause. To this her God said The male progeny whom you thought could be fit enough to be in My service, is not like the female, Maryam, I have given you now. Allah makes her to be the ultimate model for The Pure among women in Allah's Cause and Chaste Woman in the entire worlds who would bear in her womb that which Imran's wife submitted to her God when she was pregnant. Then Maryam, the perfect among women confronted with a malayika, a real looking male stranger who appeared before her with a Glad news and argued with him with regard to her pregnancy as to how it was possible when no man ever touched her and when she was not immoral - all the while seeking protection from her Rahman from the stranger malayika.

Joe Betik, all these incidents are plain and simple and clear verbatim particular of Quran that Maryam is a girl baby, she comes of age, she matures into adult female, she knows only when a male touches her she would be pregnant, she knows what chaste means, she knows what immorality means to the extent she argues with a stranger in malayika, she sought protection from her Rahman for protection of her chastity. Allah commends her vigilance in the ayat

6612 And Maryam, the daughter of Imran, who guarded her chastity, so We breathed into her of Our inspiration and she accepted the truth of the words of her Lord and His books, and she was of, the obedient ones.

The words Maryam, the daughter of Imran, guarded her, chastity, breathed into her, she accepted - all these are direct meanings to say Maryam, the daughter of Imran has been delivered of a girl baby.

Joe Betik, Noon waalqalami, earthdom,

The problem with you people is your association to human invented dictionaries and useless man made grammar to each of all the God taught communication verbatim. All God taught languages are for communication of the feel and wisdom you have as The Truths, breathed in your hearts by Allah.

Go by the verbatim of Quran seeking God's help to teach you His Quran, word by word, devoid of the woeful grammar and their never ending despicable thesaurus meanings by which alone you can engage in endless arguments and debates. Do not go by the shaitan invented purposeless multiple thesauruses for One Word of Allah's and proudly call it a language and equate this human invention to the Quran verbatim of Allah. Because of your association of your human languages, you have blocked Allah's direct teaching you of His Quran; and because of your failure to pray to Allah seeking protection from shaitan, the rejected one, you had failed to shun shaitans' grammar/thesaurus manoeuvred languages; and shaitan made each of you become proud with your own language skills and abilities. This pride is shaitan. The result of this association of languages to God's direct teachings is You become well versed in the languages and have become very poor in 'comprehension and communication on the dot' of Godsend feel in your Ruh.

If Joe Betik has come out with his self-limited abilities using his man made arabic, a view point you should not exclaim Ya Allooooh!!! as if you are honest in your understanding; if you are honest in your comprehension and if only you know prostrate to this Truth, Allah teaches whom He will; and guides whom He will. Argument is not Allah's way and it is unbecoming of a pious believer to argue before Allah. Allah says receive all the view points and choose the best of them all. Allah guides only these and these are the people who shall Know from Him.

Joe Betik, I am awaiting you to strengthen your view on Maryam using your fullest man-made-arabic language ability without contradicting the Aalimul Ghaib's (The Knower of All Hidden Truths) Quran. If your obedience is to be taught of the secrets of Quran, and be Guided through the seven skies to the heavens ultimately, then throw away shaitan's gymnastic lexicons, his chaos mongering languages that should give you only the pride that you know a language; and that it does not serve your purpose of reading, The Great Reading.

[The_Chimp]

Association of Human 'arabic-gymnastics' to God's Verbatim

Salam,
Joe Betik, Noon waalqalami, Earthdom,

Imran's wife said to God "336 I delivered a female child!" i.e a very normal female child as we all would appreciate a baby as to what gender it is. When Imran's wife said this, she meant to her God, 'how a female baby could do all God's commands before a male dominated community and be of service in His cause. To this her God said The male progeny whom you thought could be fit enough to be in My service, is not like the female, Maryam, I have given you now. Allah makes her to be the ultimate model for The Pure among women in Allah's Cause and Chaste Woman in the entire worlds who would bear in her womb that which Imran's wife submitted to her God when she was pregnant. Then Maryam, the perfect among women confronted with a malayika, a real looking male stranger who appeared before her with a Glad news and argued with him with regard to her pregnancy as to how it was possible when no man ever touched her and when she was not immoral - all the while seeking protection from her Rahman from the stranger malayika.

Joe Betik, all these incidents are plain and simple and clear verbatim particular of Quran that Maryam is a girl baby, she comes of age, she matures into adult female, she knows only when a male touches her she would be pregnant, she knows what chaste means, she knows what immorality means to the extent she argues with a stranger in malayika, she sought protection from her Rahman for protection of her chastity. Allah commends her vigilance in the ayat

6612 And Maryam, the daughter of Imran, who guarded her chastity, so We breathed into her of Our inspiration and she accepted the truth of the words of her Lord and His books, and she was of, the obedient ones.

The words Maryam, the daughter of Imran, guarded her, chastity, breathed into her, she accepted - all these are direct meanings to say Maryam, the daughter of Imran has been delivered of a girl baby.

Joe Betik, Noon waalqalami, earthdom,

The problem with you people is your association to human invented dictionaries and useless man made grammar to each of all the God taught communication verbatim. All God taught languages are for communication of the feel and wisdom you have as The Truths, breathed in your hearts by Allah.

Go by the verbatim of Quran seeking God's help to teach you His Quran, word by word, devoid of the woeful grammar and their never ending despicable thesaurus meanings by which alone you can engage in endless arguments and debates. Do not go by the shaitan invented purposeless multiple thesauruses for One Word of Allah's and proudly call it a language and equate this human invention to the Quran verbatim of Allah. Because of your association of your human languages, you have blocked Allah's direct teaching you of His Quran; and because of your failure to pray to Allah seeking protection from shaitan, the rejected one, you had failed to shun shaitans' grammar/thesaurus manoeuvred languages; and shaitan made each of you become proud with your own language skills and abilities. This pride is shaitan. The result of this association of languages to God's direct teachings is You become well versed in the languages and have become very poor in 'comprehension and communication on the dot' of Godsend feel in your Ruh.

If Joe Betik has come out with his self-limited abilities using his man made arabic, a view point you should not exclaim Ya Allooooh!!! as if you are honest in your understanding; if you are honest in your comprehension and if only you know prostrate to this Truth, Allah teaches whom He will; and guides whom He will. Argument is not Allah's way and it is unbecoming of a pious believer to argue before Allah. Allah says receive all the view points and choose the best of them all. Allah guides only these and these are the people who shall Know from Him.

Joe Betik, I am awaiting you to strengthen your view on Maryam using your fullest man-made-arabic language ability without contradicting the Aalimul Ghaib's (The Knower of All Hidden Truths) Quran. If your obedience is to be taught of the secrets of Quran, and be Guided through the seven skies to the heavens ultimately, then throw away shaitan's gymnastic lexicons, his chaos mongering languages that should give you only the pride that you know a language; and that it does not serve your purpose of reading, The Great Reading.

So why did god choose this man made language to give his message? Surely - then the fault lies with god? He made Quran reliant upon Arabic? So - if god made Quran bound to Arabic . . .then so is everyone else.

[drfazl]

So why did god choose this man made language to give his message? Surely - then the fault lies with god? He made Quran reliant upon Arabic? So - if god made Quran bound to Arabic . . .then so is everyone else.

You had pasted my entire post. What was the subject matter for which the post is made? And what was your take on the subject matter taken? Is it the language matter alone or the language matter is linked with a subject proper? Is Maryam a feminine-male based on one of the member's understanding of the language? And then followed by another member using his lexicon starting a debate and argument that would run to volumes of counters to no end. This is your man-made-arabic. Or for that matter in any language the discussion is no discussion but purely arguments each sticking to his view finally to say To you your way; and to me my way. Can you say the meaning of this two phrases using your man-made-arabic?

God chose arabic because the arabians were the worst of its kind in the entire world when the Prophet was chosen to guide such a fallen people who were wild in nature without sense and mind. If the Russians were even worse at that time, the Quran would have come in the Russian. So the choice is not for the language but for the people, worst hit by shaitan.

What does this ayat mean ...

54 17 And certainly We have made the Quran easy for remembrance, but is there anyone who will mind?

For each of the word, WE, Easy, Remembrance, But, Is there Anyone, Mind -

Please use and give your entire lexicon bunch in toto and give me the practical approach that suits the mind and the living the word for word meaning, glad tiding, bad news, admonition...

I know chimp, you are interested in arguments and when you are asked to sit down for a conclusive end on a matter, you would walk away as you did in our previous encounter sometime ago.

[Joe_Betik]

Association of Human 'arabic-gymnastics' to God's Verbatim

Salam,
Joe Betik, ...

...

The problem with you people is your association to human invented dictionaries and useless man made grammar to each of all the God taught communication verbatim. All God taught languages are for communication of the feel and wisdom you have as The Truths, breathed in your hearts by Allah.

Go by the verbatim of Quran seeking God's help to teach you His Quran, word by word, devoid of the woeful grammar and their never ending despicable thesaurus meanings by which alone you can engage in endless arguments and debates. Do not go by the shaitan invented purposeless multiple thesauruses for One Word of Allah's and proudly call it a language and equate this human invention to the Quran verbatim of Allah. Because of your association of your human languages, you have blocked Allah's direct teaching you of His Quran; and because of your failure to pray to Allah seeking protection from shaitan, the rejected one, you had failed to shun shaitans' grammar/thesaurus manoeuvred languages; and shaitan made each of you become proud with your own language skills and abilities. This pride is shaitan. The result of this association of languages to God's direct teachings is You become well versed in the languages and have become very poor in 'comprehension and communication on the dot' of Godsend feel in your Ruh.

If Joe Betik has come out with his self-limited abilities using his man made arabic, a view point you should not exclaim Ya Allooooh!!! as if you are honest in your understanding; if you are honest in your comprehension and if only you know prostrate to this Truth, Allah teaches whom He will; and guides whom He will. Argument is not Allah's way and it is unbecoming of a pious believer to argue before Allah. Allah says receive all the view points and choose the best of them all. Allah guides only these and these are the people who shall Know from Him.

Joe Betik, I am awaiting you to strengthen your view on Maryam using your fullest man-made-arabic language ability without contradicting the Aalimul Ghaib's (The Knower of All Hidden Truths) Quran. If your obedience is to be taught of the secrets of Quran, and be Guided through the seven skies to the heavens ultimately, then throw away shaitan's gymnastic lexicons, his chaos mongering languages that should give you only the pride that you know a language; and that it does not serve your purpose of reading, The Great Reading.

drfazl

Congratulations! You are right!

You should know better than to wait for me.

Yes. You are right!

Cheers!
mohammed noh

[drfazl]

drfazl

Congratulations! You are right!

You should know better than to wait for me.

Yes. You are right!

Cheers!
mohammed noh

This is Allah's Grace! All Glory Be To Him Alone! God Bless Us All, mohammed noh!

[dr_rks]

Depending upon the nature of the sand the humans are of different color, different faces, their height, the weight; and due to the differences in the sands' nature, one human race is born with such of all morphological variations.

3527 Do you not see that Allah sends down rain from the sky, and We produce thereby fruits of varying colors? And in the mountains are tracts, white and red of varying shades and extremely black.

3528 And among people and moving creatures and grazing livestock are various colors similarly. Only those fear Allah , from among His servants, who have knowledge. Indeed, Allah is Exalted in Might and Forgiving.

In your post you have mentioned that mankind came from sand or earth but in 3527,28 it is mentioned that allah brings down water from sky so as to create different colours of fruits, human beings, cattles and other living things.

You have mentioned it is from sand the colour of humans are determined, but in here its given that rain the from skies that determines it. I can understand humans cropped up from sand but according to the ayat 3527,28 its the rain water that determines the colour. Could you explain on this please?

[unknownuser]

Salaam

I'd just like to say "vah vah!"

Looks like I know from where u came from, Zulf.
The term "vah vah" or "wah wah" (in my region) is same with expression "wow" in english.

@drfazl, regarding "Ya Alloooh" don't take it as rude, I have no intention on play rude in this forum, plus my english is also limited.
Maybe you're already old and too serious, so you has little now about joking (maybe).
Drfazl, I appreciate if you're good in phylosophies, and maybe you get banned because relating Quranic verses with your medical style.

But I'm not probleming this.You claim if Quranic Arabic pattern is manmade language, in my opinion all Quran's language both in Arabic and translations are manmade, because in Quran stated if the original Quran lies in a Sacred Tablet /Lauh Mafudz (8522).
God sent His wahy to Muhammad with lisan/oral transmission then the the wahy was written in an Arabic language by Muhammad himself or his companions.

You also claim if we must try to intepretate Quran withouth contradict with God's, then how we know if our understanding didn't contradict with God's best knowledges of Quran??
You also claim if God may teach us to understand Quran, but in the fact by using Quran Alone resulted too many kinds of intepretations and each intepretators even contradict eac other.
It's really God's answers to us about Quran, with many kinds of answers and contradict each other??

Currently I'm in agnostic state, believe in God but just refute some Scriptures including QUran.

Peace

[drfazl]

Salaam

You're already old and too serious, so you has little now about joking Drfazl, I appreciate if you're good in phylosophies, and maybe you get banned because relating Quranic verses with your medical style.
Currently I'm in agnostic state, believe in God but just refute some Scriptures including QUran.

Peace

You refute Quran; You are not serious; You are joker too. And you are let free to roam around and peep in for poop; and for fun, joke and play; and then laugh out of various discussion platforms. Your types are very welcome here, I know. The red part indicates you are sticking to Rule # 2, Rule# 3 of the forum rules.

997 The dwellers of the deserted land, are very hard in unbelief and hypocrisy, and more disposed not to know the contents of the Scripture; and Allah is Knowing, Wise.

Allah should not ban us from entering into, or even touching it, or worse still, not being allowed to getting anywhere near Quran; but poor you ...!? I have nothing to say about God's decision to ban you from Quran; I am sorry. Good Bye.

[muslims]

There is nothing to refute and Allah gave "sufficient evidence" for us to believe that the Book is from "One True Creator".

The rest of the evidence depends entirely on our level of submission, ie. level of shirk.

"This is what has been promised by Allah.. ONLY, and nothing more. "

Therefore the rule is quite simple...

Submit, and we will find more proof for our faith.

Being arrogant, good bye!

Iblees. He refused and was arrogant and became of the disbelievers. (2.34)

[unknownuser]

You refute Quran; You are not serious; You are joker too. And you are let free to roam around and peep in for fun and play; and laugh out of various discussion platforms. Your types are very welcome here, I know. The red part indicates you are sticking to Rule # 2, Rule# 3 of the forum rules.

I questioning Quran not because I want to play fun, but after studied it more intensively for some months and I found some which I considered as "fallacy".

All religious people in the world will claim if their Scripture was sent by God as well as you.

"Scripture is true because written in Scripture if Scripture is true"

This red circle will always flowing to religious people who already influenced by dogma for many years.
The example is "Why Quran is true and clear Scriptures?", the most religious people will answer "Because in this verses, in that verses written if that Scripture is true and clear".

Hence already ask some questions regarding Quran to some locals, indeed no one capable to answer it instead play assumptions.

There is nothing to refute and Allah gave "sufficient evidence" for us to believe that the Book is from "One True Creator".

The rest of the evidence depends entirely on our level of submission, ie. level of shirk.

"This is what has been promised by Allah.. ONLY, and nothing more. "

Therefore the rule is quite simple...

Submit, and we will find more proof for our faith.

Being arrogant, good bye!

Iblees. He refused and was arrogant and became of the disbelievers. (2.34)

Who is being arrogant, this is free-mind forum, remember??
Members in here have each own prespective and methodologiest.
Indeed what you're doing is "oppression" to someone, force own belief-prespective to someone like you always did in this forum.

[drfazl]

3527 Do you not see that Allah sends down rain from the sky, and We produce thereby fruits of varying colors? And in the mountains are tracts, white and red of varying shades and extremely black.

In your post you have mentioned that mankind came from sand or earth but in 3527,28 it is mentioned that allah brings down water from sky so as to create different colours of fruits, human beings, cattles and other living things.

You have mentioned it is from sand the colour of humans are determined, but in here its given that rain the from skies that determines it. I can understand humans cropped up from sand but according to the ayat 3527,28 its the rain water that determines the colour. Could you explain on this please?

The whole earth is given life by the rain from the sky; before the rain there is the earth ready to prosper when the rain comes down upon it, and according to each of its nature it would grow the plantations. There are good fertile land and marshy poisonous lands too. Allah says about such lands and their fertility and produces are of varying nature, though they are watered with one and the same water from the sky, in the following ayat

134 And in the earth there are tracts side by side and gardens of grapes and corn and palm trees having one root and others having distinct roots-- they are watered with one water, and We make some of them excel others in fruit; most surely there are signs in this for a people who understand.

758 And the good land - its vegetation emerges by permission of its Lord; but that which is bad - nothing emerges except sparsely, with difficulty. Thus do We diversify the signs for a people who are grateful.

3528 And among people and moving creatures and grazing livestock are various colors similarly. Only those fear Allah , from among His servants, who have knowledge. Indeed, Allah is Exalted in Might and Forgiving.

It is all about the nature of the land that gives crops and plantations in varying colours, and as their fruits that matter - because the water from the sky is in the same blessed form to all the lands.

[muslims]

Who is being arrogant, this is free-mind forum, remember??
Members in here have each own prespective and methodologiest.
Indeed what you're doing is "oppression" to someone, force own belief-prespective to someone like you always did in this forum.

So you can deny that Allah gave....

"sufficient evidence"?

That sounds very arrogant, sorry.

Good bye, I don't want to spoil this thread with my argument.