If "Only Allah", then "Allah Alone" is our watchword
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I have never seen such an Attribute for God, The Inventor, but seen Him As the Originator, The Creator. Please show where is this Name for Allah as The Inventor?
God's decree is that if you follow Allah you will receive goodly reward from Allah; Allah rewards you when He is pleased with your obedience; so all good is from Allah. And if you disobey Allah, then God's decree is that you will be made to undergo punishment by way of afflictions from Him; and you will not avert it; no medication, no doctors could help you; and it is happening to day all patients die ultimately in the hospital committing shirk; and so in this manner the bad is from Allah as a punishment for your shirky disobedience.
The under quoted ayats are a misplaced ones, given the context.
Living on medications and added adverse effects upon the existing diseases with poisoned bodily system is improvement in the condition of their lives? Weird stuff, isn't it?
Look up to other sources for cure from illnesses other than Allah is surely shirk; I endorse it.
Yes, Allah is not the destructor of man, but the man is. Man is unjust, wrongdoer, vilely, atrocious while God is Rahman and Rahim.
http//islamawakened.com/quran/59/24/
See if you find the word "Inventor" there.
To "invent" something, generally means to "create" too, to design, etc.
There is no other "creator" of anything. You're making me angry, as usual.
Those quotes about the curse on the shirk people are not misplaced, you can read a few verses up and you'll see it mentions shirk, but there are many things in the Qur'an about how shirk is bad and the people who do it are bad.
Shirk means "sharing", and generally means those who attribute to others creative powers, a "share" in the creation. The Qur'an says there is no other creator at all, All is from God. I gave numerous examples, you seem to ignore them, so now it is just a matter of waiting until you go wherever you may be going.
You state there are "others" which create things, this is the definition of shirk, and you perform it repeatedly.
I state there are no "others" that create anything at all. What I say is in line with the Qur'an and reality, and is not shirk.
To "invent" is generally a word for creating something, making something, and only God does this ultimately, no one else has the power to even think of anything at all good or bad.
We can just repeat this all day long. Consider yourself warned. This may be brought up on Judgment day, and lets see if the one who says "You didn't create everything" will be granted good. If you are granted good, then the Qur'an lied when it said that shirk is the unforgivable sin.
It is not shirk to use a computer, ride on a boat, or mend a wound. Just because some medications hurt people, just like a car might hurt people, does not mean there are other creators than God or that medication has not also helped people.
Don't talk to me too much, you irritate me tremendously. Out of all the people on this forum, I dislike you the most strongly because of your style, your views, the shirk, and your promotion of something which can harm many people, like telling children and the elderly not to take medicine which can help them or receive surgery which can help them. Also the way you come around and have harassed me in the past, calling me a devil and whatnot, which is generally what devils do themselves probably.
Telling people there are other creators besides God, that God is not the power but people have the power to "do this or do that" thus Chance is the determiner, telling people to die and suffer when God has given people medical technologies that can help them, and so much more, your crimes are many and you continue to persist in them.
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i see like this if we pray/ask Allah for healing, it is a favour from my God who is the Healer. I believe in His Power of Healing, His forgiveness and His All-Mighty. ask Him His Guidance believing He will guide me to good. whereas you say He may or guide me into harm? how will it fit Allah, be Allah when He do not understand my prayer / need for good but He opt bad for me. it will make me leave Allah if i know my prayer is useless and anyway it is He who decide good or bad for me! even though i seek good - path-etic human! i become.
who will desire for bad omen for themselves. everyone will desire them only good. this shows only good desire comes from Allah. if we reject, His desire loses His protection and turns to be bad to the rejecter. this is how bad influences a person i understand.
you yourself say medicine is a tool to assist only some people. sometimes people may have infections due to anti-bacterial substances that can kill them. it is Allah who designed some shirking people get killed by their shirk of medical services. you may not be one of the shirking men, because you see it only a tool. it is Allah who taught these people these things and gave them this opportunity. certainly i can allow someone to mend my shoe not my toe.
asking Allah to heal us, is it specific or by a technology is specific, decide.
i do not shirk technology and consider me and my computer the same. can put the computer into service spare parts avbl.
FS. can you see how you phrased the sentence above - but, sometimes, certain methods, certain ailments, not treated properly, lead harm, trouble people. you can not say it firm because your Allah Alone stand is preventing it. i.e., the good from Allah preventing you from your bad shirk in technology.
the way you quote above, may be from a person who do not follow Allah, His end, His angels, His scriptures and His messengers.
i see to pray Allah do not put me in a situation so that the rejecters mock at me. i believe Allah will not allow His bondsmen to a grave situation unwanted. let them bring a situation, by their desire, they have technologies for good, they can help, they think it is from Allah.
Placing the word shirk awkwardly in between or behind other words does not change the definition of shirk. Shirk means "sharing" and it is generally believed to be talking about the "sharing" of attributing creation and creative power to other than God, which is what people are doing when they say that medical technology is from other than God, or anything is from other than God.
If a person is in the water, going to drown, and prays for help, and a boat comes and the person on the boat says "get on!" and the person says "I am waiting for God to lift me up, go away!" they are rejecting the help of Allah.
Saying "shirk technology" "shirk doctors" "shirk shirk shirk" is not going to make the definition of shirk change from what it means. They have no share in the power of Allah, if a medicine is put on your wound, it is the same as any other material tool, it is coming from God and the effectiveness and the healing and every aspect of the experience is from God too. It is not "shirk", but to say that "it is not from God" IS shirk and defiance of "All is from God" and many other things.
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Read the verse right behind that one and tell if it just contradicted itself immediately after it made the statement "All is from God".
The answer is "All is from God", the good that is from God is from God, the evil that you deem to be from yourselves is from God too, that is what ALL IS FROM GOD means. Go ahead and read it carefully, and stop the shirk and blasphemy.
I know there is no answer from you to 4.79 without contradicting the ayat with 4.78.
I will answer you now which you dodge. The meaning of 4/78 is Allah is the Creator; man is the inventor of lies against the Creator 4/50. And so He Originates from it the creation which you invented as a lie unto Him, so that you shall taste your own invention shirkily. Medicine is what you hatched in your heart and invented hypotheses against Allah while Allah says 6/17, none can cure a disease except by Allah; and He tests you often with diseases and poverty in combination so that you fear Allah and become humble to 6/17.
And understand this lacunae in your methodology of reading Quran. He is the Creator from nothingness; and He is the Originator of what you invent for you to taste your own evil. Fear Him; and follow 6/17 & 10/107.
This is the answer to your confusion, Freedomstands.
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Also, using this attempt to talk about how I'm "obsessed" when these people are telling people to reject medical technologies and help? Are you sure you're doing the right thing? What does it matter though, you're best pals with Sustainer, so it probably doesn't matter much that you're choosing this opportune moment to talk about my "obsession" while these people are basically trying to tell people to die and reject medical technology.
Brother Man of Faith tried to fine tune you in many ways but you do not seem to heed; as you said, he has chosen an opportune time to draw your concentration again only for your own good; there is no fault in it; I appreciate Man of Faith for his concern toward you.
reject medical technology. I am asking you if the medical technology has reached its absoluteness in curing patients of every kind or it is only groping in the dark for want of evolution from its devolution? Allah says do not attempt at a good deed even if it is from Quran, without you gaining full knowledge of it 20/114, and until you fit into your own shoes 61/2, 3, praying The All Knowing for increase in knowledge.
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There is no "other than Allah" which is the point I've been repeating repeatedly, ALL IS FROM GOD. You're telling people to reject the gifts of Allah. Allah took credit for the chainmail armor, the ships, the iron crafting, all sorts of things, All is from God, these are not from other sources because there are no other sources.
Argue you all you want, add some more shirk to your book.
6/17 & 10/107 says turn only to Allah not to the doctors who were entrusted with the "gift" of Allah be them a Hindu, a Muslim, a Jew, a Chrisitian, or a Sabian. To who will Allah give his gift? And will Allah's gift fail you in the hospitals and that too in the Intensive Critical Care? It is where you find your waterloo, in the end; is not true then to know your medical technology is what you deeply hatched as an invention against 6/17 and belying Allah's Signs?
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http//islamawakened.com/quran/59/24/
See if you find the word "Inventor" there.
To "invent" something, generally means to "create" too, to design, etc.
There is no other "creator" of anything. You're making me angry, as usual.
You cannot be angry if only you apply 16/98 before you touch Quran, for it is Shaitan's gift to those who fail to remember the ayats of Allah.
I will teach you 59/24
He is Allah, the Creator,
Allah is the Creator from nothingness; He does to perfection what He wills without even the remotest source of any sense, through which a man could ever imagine. He has no partners to His Will and Creation. Thus is The Creator.
the Evolver/ the Originator/ the Inventor/ the Maker/
Then comes the man's imaginations to create too, in pride from the available sources, as an instinct flash or as a 'spark of fire' from the sources Created by Allah, and claims he has invented a concept and begins working on that. Allah leaves him astray because of his pride that he too can save the people from even cancers developing through the technologies through billenniums. Allah allows them in their evil ways and Evolves them so that they shall know the worth of their pride in due course at some stage of their evil evolutions that their efforts will finally be futile. Medical technology is the classical example to this, for all time to come till the dooms day. He helps you in your inventive technology; what do you think of that they are flourishing in their ways 3/176, 178? Is it that Allah does good to them 3/196?
the Shaper of Forms.
If they repent and reform from their shirky evil business of technology, the medical invention with which they intervene and cause obstruction between man and Allah, then it is He Who Fashions the diseased parts back to its Originally Created Form and Shape. He is the Creator.
59.24 Allah makes clear as to who He is, in that He is The Creator, The Evolver, and The Shaper.
And a kind note to you do not paste the link-URLs for an answer; if you do so, it means you have no fresh knowledge by the moment. You shall always opt from Allah for "Increase in Knowledge!"
59.24 To Him belong the Most Beautiful Names whatever is in the heavens and on earth, doth declare His Praises and Glory and He is the Exalted in Might, the Wise.
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I know there is no answer from you to 4.79 without contradicting the ayat with 4.78.
I will answer you now which you dodge. The meaning of 4/78 is Allah is the Creator; man is the inventor of lies against the Creator 4/50. And so He Originates from it the creation which you invented as a lie unto Him, so that you shall taste your own invention shirkily. Medicine is what you hatched in your heart and invented hypotheses against Allah while Allah says 6/17, none can cure a disease except by Allah; and He tests you often with diseases and poverty in combination so that you fear Allah and become humble to 6/17.
And understand this lacunae in your methodology of reading Quran. He is the Creator from nothingness; and He is the Originator of what you invent for you to taste your own evil. Fear Him; and follow 6/17 & 10/107.
This is the answer to your confusion, Freedomstands.
There is no confusion, and I did not dodge anything. Persist in shirk and perish in it if "you will", but it is not for me to utter shirk insha'Allah. The Qur'an said clearly "All is from God" there is no confusion about it. The good and the bad, what is said to be from God and what is said to be from yourselves, ALL IS FROM GOD. No confusion. Mock all you want, you'll have a feast of it later perhaps.
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You cannot be angry if only you apply 16/98 before you touch Quran, for it is Shaitan's gift to those who fail to remember the ayats of Allah.
I will teach you 59/24
He is Allah, the Creator,
Allah is the Creator from nothingness; He does to perfection what He wills without even the remotest source of any sense, through which a man could ever imagine. He has no partners to His Will and Creation. Thus is The Creator.
the Evolver/ the Originator/ the Inventor/ the Maker/
Then comes the man's imaginations to create too, in pride from the available sources, as an instinct flash or as a 'spark of fire' from the sources Created by Allah, and claims he has invented a concept and begins working on that. Allah leaves him astray because of his pride that he too can save the people from even cancers developing through the technologies through billenniums. Allah allows them in their evil ways and Evolves them so that they shall know the worth of their pride in due course at some stage of their evil evolutions that their efforts will finally be futile. Medical technology is the classical example to this, for all time to come till the dooms day. He helps you in your inventive technology; what do you think of that they are flourishing in their ways 3/176, 178? Is it that Allah does good to them 3/196?
the Shaper of Forms.
If they repent and reform from their shirky evil business of technology, the medical invention with which they intervene and cause obstruction between man and Allah, then it is He Who Fashions the diseased parts back to its Originally Created Form and Shape. He is the Creator.
59.24 Allah makes clear as to who He is, in that He is The Creator, The Evolver, and The Shaper.
And a kind note to you do not paste the link-URLs for an answer; if you do so, it means you have no fresh knowledge by the moment. You shall always opt from Allah for "Increase in Knowledge!"
59.24 To Him belong the Most Beautiful Names whatever is in the heavens and on earth, doth declare His Praises and Glory and He is the Exalted in Might, the Wise.
The man can not create and jinn can not create, nor are the ideas "apart from creation" because there is nothing that was not created by Allah, there is nothing in existence which Allah has not made and brought about, if you say otherwise, it is shirk. I showed you many verses clearly which you called "flooding ayats" and probably ignored them. Persist in the shirk, go ahead, lets watch you accumulate sin after sin and crime after crime with your blasphemous insistence.
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Placing the word shirk awkwardly in between or behind other words does not change the definition of shirk. Shirk means "sharing" and it is generally believed to be talking about the "sharing" of attributing creation and creative power to other than God,
also, anger is a byproduct of shirk. if someone takes away our shirk we get anger.
eg. Allah allows us to enjoy the benefits of His creation; but not to usurp His creation as our own, this is shirk. instead of the fruits, i think that 'the tree is mine'. and when someone take away this brings anger.
If a person is in the water, going to drown, and prays for help, and a boat comes and the person on the boat says "get on!" and the person says "I am waiting for God to lift me up, go away!" they are rejecting the help of Allah.
- a religious story to uphold blind faith not faith. faith is yearned only when you bring your real proof from your living in front of our eyes and heart.
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also, anger is a byproduct of shirk. if someone takes away our shirk we get anger.
eg. Allah allows us to enjoy the benefits of His creation; but not to usurp His creation as our own, this is shirk. instead of the fruits, i think that 'the tree is mine'. and when someone take away this brings anger.
- a religious story to uphold blind faith not faith. faith is yearned only when you bring your real proof from your living in front of our eyes and heart.
You just made that up. "Anger" is not a byproduct of shirk. Especially considering you two "Dr" guys are the ones holding on to shirk by saying there are other creators.
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And know that among you is Allah's Messenger were he, in many matters, to follow your (wishes), ye would certainly fall into misfortune But Allah has endeared the Faith to you, and has made it beautiful in your hearts, and He has made hateful to you Unbelief, wickedness, and rebellion such indeed are those who walk in righteousness;-There are numerous other examples I can provide
al-Ma`idah 560
Whom Allah has cursed and He became angry with him and made of them apes and swines, and (who) worshipped the false deities.Is that because Allah is a performer of shirk?
Don't just make up things out of the blue, for your own sake.
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The path of those You have blessed, Not of those who have earned Your anger, nor those who have gone astray.This is not anger at your telling the truth, this is anger at the lies of shirk, the insisting that there are creators other than God.
There is a difference.
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Turn not in friendship to a folk against whom God was angry. ... T.B.Irving, You who believe, do not patronize any folk whom God has become angry with;Shirk is unforgivable, God has made it hateful to me absolutely, and anyone who supports it is going to see the same harshness.
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And those with him are hard against the disbelievers and merciful among .... him are harsh towards the disbelievers and compassionate towards each other.at-Taubah 973
Strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites! Be harsh with them. Their ultimate abode is hell, a hapless journey's end.For as long as you do not conform wholly to what I am saying, and all I am saying is God is the sole creator, there are no other creators that make or do anything, it is God doing it all, you are performing shirk, and you will be hated, and you will be treated harshly, and you are according to the Qur'an headed towards destruction.
It is not me performing shirk, it is you performing shirk, you have been warned repeatedly. Conform or perish in disbelief.
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even i consider made up as said by you, is there not truth in it. why do you take it personal against you. anger is a byproduct of shirk(own something which is not theirs). its a meaning we understand even from the kids; when two kids are there, one with a toy. if the other take away the toy from the kid, the toykid gets anger.
when did i say there is other creator other than Allah. in my view you are missing a link (you have to find out yourself with the help of Allah) from quran other than that you wish Allah alone.
i know there is Allah's messenger among us.
Is that because Allah is a performer of shirk?
do you equate yourself with Allah by this. Allah's anger by His justice, and your anger by your justice? never said you are performing shirk(accuse). only said what is shirk and only Allah knows who is performing shirk. the real definition and the truthfulness is with Allah. He is the Decider, the Justice, my Remover of my shirk.
at peace
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even i consider made up as said by you, is there not truth in it. why do you take it personal against you. anger is a byproduct of shirk(own something which is not theirs). its a meaning we understand even from the kids; when two kids are there, one with a toy. if the other take away the toy from the kid, the toykid gets anger.
when did i say there is other creator other than Allah. in my view you are missing a link (you have to find out yourself with the help of Allah) from quran other than that you wish Allah alone.
i know there is Allah's messenger among us.
do you equate yourself with Allah by this. Allah's anger by His justice, and your anger by your justice? never said you are performing shirk(accuse). only said what is shirk and only Allah knows who is performing shirk. the real definition and the truthfulness is with Allah. He is the Decider, the Justice, my Remover of my shirk.
at peace
You said in a very general way "anger is a byproduct of shirk", which I said is made up, then showed an example which talks about Allah being angry, to show "anger" is not a "byproduct of shirk" at least not in all cases. I am not equating myself to Allah. I also showed that abominations such as shirk are hateful to the believers.
What you said at the bottom here is good though, I like it.
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nor are the ideas "apart from creation" because there is nothing that was not created by Allah, there is nothing in existence which Allah has not made and brought about, if you say otherwise, it is shirk. I showed you many verses clearly which you called "flooding ayats" and probably ignored them. Persist in the shirk, go ahead, lets watch you accumulate sin after sin and crime after crime with your blasphemous insistence.
The diseases are designed and made by Allah as only a reward for the evil that you devise with your own hands on your own accord, against the wish of Allah. You shall understand you are the source for the evil that you reap. You think you showed the verses clearly is your plain thought; in fact you just pushed in the numbers of ayats, ignoring to clarify. I do not blame you for that for I do not think you meant anything by figuring it there. Reading the red part of your lines, I can only remember the ayat, 244
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You just made that up. "Anger" is not a byproduct of shirk. Especially considering you two "Dr" guys are the ones holding on to shirk by saying there are other creators.
I taught you the verse 59/24 and told you the meanings of Creator, Inventor, Shaper. Without caring to know the meanings of any of His Names nor even caring to know what you mean by the word shirk, you simply fill up the pages with your supposed understandings. You have accidentally stumbled upon some weird stuff like "information, non-information" etc., based on which you have constructed something from which you do not want to come out into openness to explore many truths from other people.
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And know that among you is Allah's Messenger were he, in many matters, to follow your (wishes), ye would certainly fall into misfortune But Allah has endeared the Faith to you, and has made it beautiful in your hearts, and He has made hateful to you Unbelief, wickedness, and rebellion such indeed are those who walk in righteousness;-Messenger is created by Allah, matters are created by Allah, to follow my wish is created by Allah, falling into misfortune is created by Allah, such faith is created by Allah, making it beautiful in my heart is Allah's work, Allah creates hatred, Allah creates unbelief, wickedness is Allah's, Allah owns all rebellion such indeed are those who are walked by Allah in to righteousness.
If this is your understanding, certainly I understand nothing of this ayat. Please clarify this ayat from what I have understood from you.
There are numerous other examples I can provide
No, no. If you clarify the above ayat 49/7 is sufficient; from your clarification I can deduce myself.
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The path of those You have blessed, Not of those who have earned Your anger, nor those who have gone astray.This is not anger at your telling the truth, this is anger at the lies of shirk, the insisting that there are creators other than God.
There is a difference.
Have you forgotten the verse, 4/49 whoever calls himself free from shirk and calling others mushriks? Nay, Allah frees one from shirk whom He Will; and He will not wrong the husk of a date stone. And you have forgotten the verse 2/44, How can you forget yourself while admonishing others? Man, there is difference between you getting angry and Allah getting angry. Descend down and see even with others; do not look down upon - it is hateful to Allah. Is it not the idea of grandeur in you to behave this way thinking you are the Lord Yourself? Have you forgotten you are mean to think that way?
59/19 Do not become of those who have forgotten Allah; shaitan has made them forget themselves. And such are the worst sinners.
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Whom Allah has cursed and He became angry with him and made of them apes and swines, and (who) worshipped the false deities.When Allah created people He created them only to turn them apes, swine while Allah created false deities Himself and while He Himself creating how to worship and making them to worship? Now I ask you, "Is Allah a performer of shirk to Himself?"
But you ask us the same question here,
Is that because Allah is a performer of shirk?
Don't just make up things out of the blue, for your own sake. For as long as you do not conform wholly to what I am saying, and all I am saying is God is the sole creator, there are no other creators that make or do anything, it is God doing it all, you are performing shirk, and you will be hated, and you will be treated harshly, and you are according to the Qur'an headed towards destruction.
Good enough of you.
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I taught you the verse 59/24 and told you the meanings of Creator, Inventor, Shaper. Without caring to know the meanings of any of His Names nor even caring to know what you mean by the word shirk, you simply fill up the pages with your supposed understandings. You have accidentally stumbled upon some weird stuff like "information, non-information" etc., based on which you have constructed something from which you do not want to come out into openness to explore many truths from other people.
Messenger is created by Allah, matters are created by Allah, to follow my wish is created by Allah, falling into misfortune is created by Allah, such faith is created by Allah, making it beautiful in my heart is Allah's work, Allah creates hatred, Allah creates unbelief, wickedness is Allah's, Allah owns all rebellion such indeed are those who are walked by Allah in to righteousness.
If this is your understanding, certainly I understand nothing of this ayat. Please clarify this ayat from what I have understood from you.
No, no. If you clarify the above ayat 49/7 is sufficient; from your clarification I can deduce myself.
Have you forgotten the verse, 4/49 whoever calls himself free from shirk and calling others mushriks? Nay, Allah frees one from shirk whom He Will; and He will not wrong the husk of a date stone. And you have forgotten the verse 2/44, How can you forget yourself while admonishing others? Man, there is difference between you getting angry and Allah getting angry. Descend down and see even with others; do not look down upon - it is hateful to Allah. Is it not the idea of grandeur in you to behave this way thinking you are the Lord Yourself? Have you forgotten you are mean to think that way?
59/19 Do not become of those who have forgotten Allah; shaitan has made them forget themselves. And such are the worst sinners.
When Allah created people He created them only to turn them apes, swine while Allah created false deities Himself and while He Himself creating how to worship and making them to worship? Now I ask you, "Is Allah a performer of shirk to Himself?"
But you ask us the same question here,
Good enough of you."Information" is just a word I use to mean "what we experience". It is just a word in the English language for "experience" or "creation". Why are people so mystified and absorbed that everything seems to be so confusing?
All is from God. Allah created everything, the disaster and the good. Allah clearly states in the Qur'an "they would not have done it had not Allah willed" and "we set up enemies" and "we sent shaitans" and all that.
Those are the verses I've posted many times. You can read some more here
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9607626.0
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"Information" is just a word I use to mean "what we experience". It is just a word in the English language for "experience" or "creation". Why are people so mystified and absorbed that everything seems to be so confusing?
Experience or Creation = Experimenter or Creator
See for yourself the confusion in the above equation; the Experimenter or the Creator, undergoes Experience or Encounters the dos and don'ts and understanding better and better as He tries to Create or Invent something He does not know how it would turn out to be in the end. People are not just mystified but terrified.
All is from God. Allah created everything, the disaster and the good. Allah clearly states in the Qur'an "they would not have done it had not Allah willed" and "we set up enemies" and "we sent shaitans" and all that.
If this is your take then Allah is for sport and fun; but Allah says He has not created all for fun and sport. Tell me what is the purpose if Allah had created hell and heaven and in order to put the people there and fill them up both with Jinn and men? What is the purpose behind His creation which from your take is "for sport and fun".
Those are the verses I've posted many times. You can read some more here
But you did not clarify any one of the verses; just flood the pages.
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9607626.0
Speak here afresh with all freshness; instead of driving us to the old fracas.
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Freedomstands, I appreciate your flooding the page with the ayats of Allah but to what purpose? Do the ayats on the page say anything on the eye diseases or about the other thousands of human diseases the modern medical technology has listed and still growing ever strongly in numbers without ability to cure any of them making the patients regain normalcy as created by Allah in the first place?
In 4.79 Allah speaks clearly to us
Every good is from Allah and every evil is from what your own technologies have wrought upon you.
This topic is concerning life and death with the modern technologies, with the inventions in medicines and the astuteness of the highly skilled specialised doctors as against the dictum of Allah.
Salaam brother,
I agree with you completely on this handshake
May Allah shower His blessings upon you and your family prTo add a little more...
The modern technologies and inventions in medicines brings more patients to the hospitals today.
Almost every street has a multi speciality hospital and every hospital is always full and busy in printing currency.
I did not see since years that this modern technology of medicines increases the life span of any human but it decreases for sure.Since people are using these medicines they are more sick and ill. And if I see my surroundings almost every person who crosses 30-35 years of age needs to take medicines of hypertension, diabetes, thyroid, etc. Is this the modern technology and medicines gives us? Spoiling the body that has been designed by Allah so so so perfectly! Is this how Allah favors and blesses His creation? brickwall
May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
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Salaam brother,
I agree with you completely on this handshake
May Allah shower His blessings upon you and your family prTo add a little more...
The modern technologies and inventions in medicines brings more patients to the hospitals today.
Almost every street has a multi speciality hospital and every hospital is always full and busy in printing currency.
I did not see since years that this modern technology of medicines increases the life span of any human but it decreases for sure.Since people are using these medicines they are more sick and ill. And if I see my surroundings almost every person who crosses 30-35 years of age needs to take medicines of hypertension, diabetes, thyroid, etc. Is this the modern technology and medicines gives us? Spoiling the body that has been designed by Allah so so so perfectly! Is this how Allah favors and blesses His creation? brickwall
May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
mmKhanMaybe you don't know anything about history. The life expectancy rate has increased. People were dying from infections and easily treatable diseases much more in the past. As usual on this website, ignorance seems to reign supreme, with a flat Earth and now fear of medical technology being spread. God seems to want to put you all deep into caves.
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Experience or Creation = Experimenter or Creator
See for yourself the confusion in the above equation; the Experimenter or the Creator, undergoes Experience or Encounters the dos and don'ts and understanding better and better as He tries to Create or Invent something He does not know how it would turn out to be in the end. People are not just mystified but terrified.
If this is your take then Allah is for sport and fun; but Allah says He has not created all for fun and sport. Tell me what is the purpose if Allah had created hell and heaven and in order to put the people there and fill them up both with Jinn and men? What is the purpose behind His creation which from your take is "for sport and fun".
But you did not clarify any one of the verses; just flood the pages.
Speak here afresh with all freshness; instead of driving us to the old fracas.
Experience or Creation = Experimenter or Creator
See for yourself the confusion in the above equation; the Experimenter or the Creator, undergoes Experience or Encounters the dos and don'ts and understanding better and better as He tries to Create or Invent something He does not know how it would turn out to be in the end. People are not just mystified but terrified.
If this is your take then Allah is for sport and fun; but Allah says He has not created all for fun and sport. Tell me what is the purpose if Allah had created hell and heaven and in order to put the people there and fill them up both with Jinn and men? What is the purpose behind His creation which from your take is "for sport and fun".
But you did not clarify any one of the verses; just flood the pages.
Speak here afresh with all freshness; instead of driving us to the old fracas.
Most of the time I don't really know what you are saying or asking of me because your English is so poor or something. It is like that scene with Zuul Qarnain and the people who could be scarcely understood.
I don't say God is the creation, I say God controls the creation, and that is not me saying it only, but the Qur'an saying it. Anyone who says otherwise, is saying "Chance" controls creation.
It is not my "take" on it, the Qur'an says all that I said very clearly.
"What is the purpose"! This is what people don't seem to grasp, God has no NEEDS, God does not create based on CONDITIONS, God creates freely, God can make a sea and put fish in the sea, and God can create hell and put people and jinn in hell, and God can put good people there, and God can put bad people there, because God can do anything at all freely, and our only hope is God and our only fear is God.
"He does not know how it would turn out to be in the end."
Many people believe "God does not know" or "God knows but it isn't God who created it" or any variety of idiotic blasphemies that people utter. God both knows and created all that occurs, and did so UNCONDITIONALLY, not based on ANY RULING POWER OR PRINCIPLE telling God what to do or out of any NEED.
A person stuck in time based thinking has a problem understanding "if God knows the future, then what is the point", because they don't understand time is just a creation, a concept, an illusion that we hear about, what we are dealing with is experience and God is creating all that we experience. But Why? God does as God wills to do, freely. There is no Why about it. Why did God tell Noah to build a boat and put animals on it when God could've done things in any other way? The Qur'an says God sets up the enemies, sends the shaitans, it is not me who made any of that up.
Why did God put in the ground certain worms which are neither eaten by any other animal or ever seen by humans deep in the jungles somewhere? Why did God create the tiny little micro organisms deep in the sea that even the fish do not deal with? Only a tiny grasp on things thinks everything is for themselves or humankind or for "reasons" and dependent on conditions, when God creates freely what God wills to create. Or is it that God did not create except the initial creation, and then it was all left to the partner "Chance"? So God "let it happen" that there is a micro organism somewhere deep in the ocean or the Earth which no creature has seen? Stop the ridiculousness.
It is in the foolish imagination of people that they think the world is chaotic, things are just operating all on their own, the fish go where they please, man goes this way or that way, killing by their choice and freedom, and God just "watches" and "leaves it up to chance" and "looks to chance" for answers, and other stupidity people imply by their statements.
No it is not for "sport" because God is not a human being at all. God does not do things out of "boredom" because God would have to create such a sensation in the first place. All this is the deliberate will and creation of God, it is based on nothing other than God and God's will which is unconditioned, God can do things in any other way, God does what God wills.
Trust me, people will join you and find what you say appealing, because garbage is always appealing to people.
Let me tell you what garbage is
Garbage is to say God does not create everything.
Garbage is to say God does not control everything.
Garbage is to say God does not want what happens to happen, that it isn't God's will.
Garbage is to say God is restricted from doing anything about things.
Garbage is to say God leaves things to another power to determine and control.
Garbage is to say God does not know.
Garbage is to say that things have their own power to operate.
Garbage is to say things "can go this way or that way" so that it is left to "Chance".
Garbage is to say "Some things are from God, but some things are not from God".So what is coming out of the mouths and fingers of people who type garbage, and mock at or ignore proper news about God, is to be fought against because they are lies and harmful even beyond that.
They are not only shirk, but they are trying to guide people into harm as well by rejecting medical help if circumstances arise like that, to reject the gifts of God by demanding that it be performed through other means and miracles of your preference.
So people should understand why all this is terrible, but there is no defender of good or justice really on this website for the most part, they are all villains and evildoers mostly, even if they don't know it.
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"Information" is just a word I use to mean "what we experience". It is just a word in the English language for "experience" or "creation".
When you say 'Experience or Creation' it means experience = creation, i.e., experience and creation are both the same. If it is so, Experience or the Creation is gained or made through a series of experiments by an Experimenter or a Creator, who tries to 'Discover or Create' something unknown. Do you still mean to say, Experimenter and Creator are the same from the Quranic angle?
Now, the equation is Experience or Creation = Experimenter or Creator
See for yourself the confusion in the above equation; the Experimenter or the Creator, undergoes Experience or Encounters the dos and don'ts; and His understanding gets better and better as He tries to Create or Invent something that He does not know how it would turn out to be, in the end. People are not just mystified at your equalisation of the two words, but terrified.
Most of the time I don't really know what you are saying or asking of me because your English is so poor or something.
Ask again if you still do not understand my way of usage of the words in the english language; I will explain it to you further; you use your english language for mundane, unimaginative use while I use the same to express and communicate the UnseenTruth. That is something which you should learn in due course.