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If "Only Allah", then "Allah Alone" is our watchword

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    drfazl
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    Peace,

    I agree with you completely brother. MashaAllah.
    Some people believe that everything even wrong and evil is also from Allah and they don't fear to say such lies upon Allah. &

    An example of such people is mentioned below

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    Those who associated with Allah will say, "If Allah had willed, we would not have associated and neither would our fathers, nor would we have prohibited anything." Likewise did those before deny until they tasted Our punishment. Say, "Do you have any knowledge that you can produce for us? You follow not except assumption, and you are not but falsifying."

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    And when they commit an immorality, they say, "We found our fathers doing it, and Allah has ordered us to do it." Say, "Indeed, Allah does not order immorality. Do you say about Allah that which you do not know?"

    May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
    mmKhan

    Very appropriate ayats brother; May Allah bless you. 6/148, 7/28 aptly fit Freedomstands; he is blind in his hearts. Who can bring one to straight path when Allah has left him far astray?

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      DrGm
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      Peace,

      Some people believe that everything even wrong and evil is also from Allah and they don't fear to say such lies upon Allah. &

      peace bro,

      agree

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        mmkhan
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        Very appropriate ayats brother; May Allah bless you.

        Peace brother,

        Thank you.

        May Allah bless you too pr
        mmKhan

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          mmkhan
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          peace bro,

          agree

          Peace brother,

          Thank you.

          May Allah bless you pr
          mmKhan

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            FreedomStands
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            Very appropriate ayats brother; May Allah bless you. 6/148, 7/28 aptly fit Freedomstands; he is blind in his hearts. Who can bring one to straight path when Allah has left him far astray?

            Allah has not made a book where he "orders immorality" of people, for example the Qur'an does not order immorality. They were lying that Allah has told them that their evil deeds are good. This is not the same as what I am saying at all, and you are merely lying (as usual, because you're evil of course).

            Allah does say "Had Allah not willed, they would not have done it". Does that strike any memory in your head? Also "Allah sets up enemies". In other words, he is making them and what is bad (or is there some other power doing it? Blasphemer?).

            That does not mean that in Allah's guidance to people Allah has said for them to kill their female children and whatever and say that it is good for them to do that. Allah created these evils but they are still evils, he didn't instruct people in religious revelations that it is good to do it and that they should do it, but Allah created all things and all events occurring (including the particular death of anyone including a little child) is from Allah, the people don't choose anything. The Qur'an says all that I'm saying. If you say otherwise, you're attributing powers to something else.

            The Qur'an clearly says that Allah is the one who has control over everything, wills whatever happens, that doesn't mean it is good for people always, and that doesn't mean that Allah has instructed in the religious books for them to do these things, which is why they were lying. Do you understand? You probably don't, and if you do, you deny it anyway, why? Allah wills it.

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              huruf
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              That does not mean that in Allah's guidance to people Allah has said for them to kill their female children and whatever and say that it is good for them to do that. Allah created these evils but they are still evils, he didn't instruct people in religious revelations that it is good to do it and that they should do it,

              That is the very point that has to be made.

              Wrong and bad are human measures, (they are not even for animals or stones), not for God. God does not do right and wrong. He is God, He is not going to suffer any consequences of infringring any laws, because he is the law and everything is within His kingdom. He can do us as much wrong as he wants, we are His. He is nobody's.

              BUT

              He tells us he is fair, just, equitable, merciful and ALLPOWERFUL, therefore whatever thing he does to us that we consider bad or wrong, it is in God's power to turn into bliss and glory. We will not be shortchanged. Therefore we cannot say that God wrongs us. We may not approve of it, but we can do nothing about it. But we can accpet his rulings with grace and thank for having an existence. That we could not give to ourselves, therefore, even for us God is even more than the best, He is Everything.

              It is us who live in the kindom of right and wrong, bad and good, purity and evil. Those are words for us, not for Him. Those are words for the laws that apply for us, a creation of His. They do not apply to Him.

              Huwa Al-lahu ahad,
              allahu samad
              lam yakid wa lam yulad
              wa
              lam yakllahu kufwan ahad

              Salaam al Quddus

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                FreedomStands
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                That is the very point that has to be made.

                Wrong and bad are human measures, (they are not even for animals or stones), not for God. God does not do right and wrong. He is God, He is not going to suffer any consequences of infringring any laws, because he is the law and everything is within His kingdom. He can do us as much wrong as he wants, we are His. He is nobody's.

                BUT

                He tells us he is fair, just, equitable, merciful and ALLPOWERFUL, therefore whatever thing he does to us that we consider bad or wrong, it is in God's power to turn into bliss and glory. We will not be shortchanged. Therefore we cannot say that God wrongs us. We may not approve of it, but we can do nothing about it. But we can accpet his rulings with grace and thank for having an existence. That we could not give to ourselves, therefore, even for us God is even more than the best, He is Everything.

                It is us who live in the kindom of right and wrong, bad and good, purity and evil. Those are words for us, not for Him. Those are words for the laws that apply for us, a creation of His. They do not apply to Him.

                Huwa Al-lahu ahad,
                allahu samad
                lam yakid wa lam yulad
                wa
                lam yakllahu kufwan ahad

                Salaam al Quddus

                Very good work. Finally someone says something good on this website!

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                  DrGm
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                  He can do us as much wrong as he wants, we are His. He is nobody's.

                  Salaam al Quddus

                  peace,

                  my God never do this to me... not to anyone; nor do i find any support from quran.

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                    FreedomStands
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                    peace,

                    my God never do this to me... not to anyone; nor do i find any support from quran.

                    Having "all power" and "no authority above him" should be enough to understand that Allah can do whatever Allah wills, and people can say "it is wrong" and it doesn't matter what people say.

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                      drfazl
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                      Allah creates evils in every detail to deter man from becoming a froward due to his ungratefulness, pride, and rejection of all goodly behaviours and thus against Godly conduct. Allah creates such evil upon man to suit the gravity of each and everyone's rebellion against God's warnings and glad tidings. He is so astute that He gives just recompense to the unbelievers. And to the nature, surrounding man from heavens above down to the earth Allah's command to them all is, to act upon man, justly, according to his rebelliousness to the dos and the don'ts of Allah.

                      3433 We will put shackles on the necks of those who disbelieved. Will they be recompensed except for what they used to do?

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                        drfazl
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                        Allah allows one to go astray into a world of evil He creates currently for each unbelieving, according to his level of wickedness as a punishment unto him. It is thus an evil one, disorders Allah's all good to evil that should turn against his own self by Allah's decree. What we shall remember at this point is, there is just response as evil creations, to every evil behaviour of us, in the atmosphere all around us - the shape, the form and the nature of it and the time and period of its occurrence upon us is not disclosed to us by Allah. But our mindful behaviour shall create good for good; and evil for evil, by the leave of Allah. So behave! indulge not in transgression against Allah, and cause not your own evil and peril.

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                          drfazl
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                          Every ayat of Quran gives way to get into one's own deviated path and final doom; at the same time the same ayat guides another to the more and more righteous ways by Allah's leave. Therefore one might think as though whatever he thinks is there in Quran - this is that Allah wish to leave him in his own mischievous path. We shall always fear that Allah shall guide us to His intended beautiful life He promised for us. Allah loves the God fearing and Wills all guidance to Him; Allah guides whom He Will.

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                            drfazl
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                            Allah has control over everything

                            The Most Abundant is Allah's Name; so He shall not put controls on the good deeds because one who involves him in righteousness Allah raises him further upon His Benevolence,

                            but, when one involves in evil and mischief, Allah puts controls over him by making him suffer the evil he created and earned for himself 42/30. Even upon this evil Allah puts His breaks by forgiving most of his evil works that would create evil loads which would finally descend upon him.

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                              drfazl
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                              Allah does whatever He wills

                              Allah recompenses every one justly; He is Most Forgiving; one cannot ask Allah why He has not punished any one, for He is Most Merciful. He does only good; and never does He punish instantly anyone's evil deeds for He knows everything, we never would know except by His leave; so be patient until the most Forgiving and the most Merciful, and the Knower of the hidden and the manifest of each and everything - makes you know about His decree and design.

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                                unknownuser
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                                Allah has not made a book where he "orders immorality" of people, for example the Qur'an does not order immorality. They were lying that Allah has told them that their evil deeds are good. This is not the same as what I am saying at all, and you are merely lying (as usual, because you're evil of course).

                                What are you saying then? That God Wills people to do what It defined as evil in the Quran? That is what every careful reader can tell as the crux of all your posts. I am not defending drfazl, it's easy to see what he and his following are up to - the classic medical science wars (western vs eastern medicine, traditional vs modern, Allopathy vs Homeopathy) and mixing beliefs in the competition for gaining a customer base. I am saying you are up to a similar theme.

                                As for drfazl and co, I'll only say this, all chemicals and substances are from God. Of them, there are of use to us, and of them are harmful to us. Not all affect everyone the same way. So whoever uses them to benefit mankind, has his/her reward with God and is a kind of help from God to those who are ill and seek help. As for those who seek to profit without truly helping someone seeking help in illness, God will judge when all of us will be called to account. Only those who are grateful, truly rely on God alone. God is not restricted by any means or forms or appearance of "help" to people. Do you accuse people of shirk when they go to a trader to buy bread? By your definition they are not relying on God but the trader is the one giving sustenance...Do you not have any sense? You falsify deliberately!

                                In other words, he is making them and what is bad (or is there some other power doing it? Blasphemer?).

                                To both drfazl and FreedomStands
                                Do you have divine knowledge from God when you claim God does this or that or wills this or that other than what is in the book?

                                Allah does say "Had Allah not willed, they would not have done it". Does that strike any memory in your head? Also "Allah sets up enemies".

                                Check your phrases before you make claims, referring to your comment in red^.

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                                So the person spoken of in 7176 whom God gave signs, was it God who willed him to follow his desire or was it himself who followed his own desire? was it God who willed him to reject, or was it himself who detached himself from the signs given by God? Only when the people incline and do good then perhaps they receive God's forgiveness, mercy and guidance. God does not guide the wrongdoers. They are left astray by God, but even then it maybe that God sends guidance to them if It wills.

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                                *Those who associate others with Allah say exactly what you are saying, do you yet still not reflect? Allah wills people to go astray because of what is in their own hearts and their own evil inclinations. They like you, also argued that whatever they do or anyone else does or did, including generations before them is because God wills/willed them to do it. Still no effort at thought on your part?

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                                *Do you read one part of a verse/sign/book and ignore the rest? Do you not comprehend? Reading the complete verse after the "part" with what you constantly cite

                                "...And you will certainly be questioned about what you used to do".

                                How shall you be questioned if you have not done good or evil of your own accord? Then do you still not reflect?

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                                Do you understand the implications of the conditional statement identifier "If" FreedomStands? As well as "Perhaps/Maybe" ?- (God frequently uses this in the Quran, see 490 and 1425 for example) Or do you not use your mind on purpose?

                                That does not mean that in Allah's guidance to people Allah has said for them to kill their female children and whatever and say that it is good for them to do that. Allah created these evils but they are still evils, he didn't instruct people in religious revelations that it is good to do it and that they should do it, but Allah created all things and all events occurring (including the particular death of anyone including a little child) is from Allah, the people don't choose anything. The Qur'an says all that I'm saying. If you say otherwise, you're attributing powers to something else.

                                What on earth are you saying? Do you mock God and It's guidance? People don't choose a path to God (good/evil as defined by God) ? Subliminally telling people that the Quran is pointless? You twist the Quran's message and then say it is from God!

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                                1252* Or do you contradict God that God is the one who Willed and guided the plan of the betrayers? like you claim everywhere else that God Wills and guides the doings and inclinations of the wrongdoing folk. Who are the wrongdoing folk? Have you ever given thought?

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                                615* Do you still not understand FreedomStands? It is the people who deviated, God did not send them astray or deviate till they themselves inclined to and did evil despite the guidance!

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                                *Do you see anywhere in the Quran that God sends astray the good doers and believing people? Everywhere it is the wrongdoers that God sends astray! Yet you insist that God makes people do evil or good. Do you not use your mind? Does God wrong them? or they wrong themselves? - thus does God leave such people astray.

                                The Qur'an clearly says that Allah is the one who has control over everything, wills whatever happens, that doesn't mean it is good for people always, and that doesn't mean that Allah has instructed in the religious books for them to do these things, which is why they were lying. Do you understand? You probably don't, and if you do, you deny it anyway, why? Allah wills it.

                                There is no doubt that God is absolute and has and exhibits absolute authority. Yet you do not comprehend after reading the book.
                                Indeed people understand or misunderstand because of what is in their own hearts.

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                                  drfazl
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                                  As for drfazl and co, I'll only say this, all chemicals and substances are from God. Of them, there are of use to us, and of them are harmful to us. Not all affect everyone the same way. So whoever uses them to benefit mankind, has his/her reward with God and is a kind of help from God to those who are ill and seek help.

                                  In everything God has created are evil and certain good, unless Allah's names are remembered and invoked upon them before our usage of them; but if we do not invoke His Names upon them, Allah warns of severe consequences from them all.

                                  "Not all affect everyone the same way." Can you explain why, and how these differences happen - from Quran? Why will they have no effect at all in some? Why almost all people die under critical care, finally? Does it mean Allah had deliberately misguided asking the patients to go to doctors leaving Allah behind? I wish you cited the verses from Quran at least while concluding, that Allah guides us to the doctors while He inflicts punishment on us, for our evil deeds, by way of diseases.

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                                    drfazl
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                                    So whoever uses them to benefit mankind, has his/her reward with God and is a kind of help from God to those who are ill and seek help.

                                    It can be written this way to comply with Allah and His Quran
                                    So whoever guides them in Allah's way as to how to make good use of Allah's creations ..... 5/32.

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                                      drfazl
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                                      As for those who seek to profit without truly helping someone seeking help in illness, God will judge when all of us will be called to account. Only those who are grateful, truly rely on God alone. God is not restricted by any means or forms or appearance of "help" to people.

                                      truly helping someone seeking help in illness

                                      We have to seek protection from shaitan as prophet Ayyub turned to Allah alone, finally. Prophet Ayyub admits to Allah, that he has every means of man invented methods of cure believing them all, until he came to a point of no return, when he was guided to turn to Allah; and Prophet Ibrahim followed the same line when he said, "it is Allah who heals me when I am down with diseases." Both the prophets did not drive mankind to doctors or medical systems, for their diseases.

                                      Now you tell me what do you mean by truly rely on God alone. I do need an explanation to these words when you ask the ill to go to doctors. What is your account with God now?

                                      God is not restricted by any means or forms or appearance of "help" to people.
                                      God restricts you by all means and forms not to seek help materially from people when you are ill or afflicted.

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                                        drfazl
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                                        To both drfazl and FreedomStands
                                        Do you have divine knowledge from God when you claim God does this or that or wills this or that other than what is in the book?

                                        When I speak of the Book, do you still pose this question? Point out to me from all my postings which one I have not spoken of the Book or contradicted any of its verses, if you are truthful; Do not become like freedomstands!

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                                          So whoever uses them to benefit mankind, has his/her reward with God and is a kind of help from God to those who are ill and seek help.

                                          It can be written this way to comply with Allah and His Quran
                                          So whoever guides them in Allah's way as to how to make good use of Allah's creations ..... 5/32.

                                          532 specifically talks about something else entirely.
                                          I seek God's refuge from being amongst the ignorant ones.

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