If "Only Allah", then "Allah Alone" is our watchword

mmkhan

I did not answer any of those questions pertaining to how the matter (extramarital affair) is judged by God. You did. I never made such conclusions on behalf of God as I have no knowledge of it at all, and I fear God that I be of the wrong-doers. And I have said what I wanted to say with no intention of going into foolish arguments.

Peace brother,

It is OK that you try to keep yourself on safe side but how will you understand 549? And you are correct when you are not judging if you do not know the answer.

May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
mmKhan

DrGm

Do you accuse people of shirk when they go to a trader to buy bread? By your definition they are not relying on God but the trader is the one giving sustenance...Do you not have any sense? You falsify deliberately!

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There is no doubt that God is absolute and has and exhibits absolute authority. Yet you do not comprehend after reading the book.
Indeed people understand or misunderstand because of what is in their own hearts.

quran say this
2.172 O you who believe! Eat of the good provisions We have provided for you. And if it is Allah whom you obey, be grateful to Him.

26.79 - It is He who gives me food; and it is He who gives my drink

and says this

26.80 - when i am ill; it is He who Heals me

quran guides us to eat; so not a shirk when you buy a bread. its shirk, only when you took the trader or anyone or anything for sustenance. do not say that is not intended. but the quran never said take medical help, its shirk. i know, almost all save some, shirk medical systems; this is hard for everyone who do not believe Allah alone. either you need proof in person to believe by the leave of Allah or Allah may make you a proof. anyway in this one is little easy path.

Allah Alone is His will, if you wish for it - it is there by His will. He will guide you individual, in your own pace. if you do not wish?

There is no doubt that God is absolute and has and exhibits absolute authority. Yet you do not comprehend after reading the book.
Indeed people understand or misunderstand because of what is in their own hearts.

FreedomStands

What are you saying then? That God Wills people to do what It defined as evil in the Quran? That is what every careful reader can tell as the crux of all your posts. I am not defending drfazl, it's easy to see what he and his following are up to - the classic medical science wars (western vs eastern medicine, traditional vs modern, Allopathy vs Homeopathy) and mixing beliefs in the competition for gaining a customer base. I am saying you are up to a similar theme.

As for drfazl and co, I'll only say this, all chemicals and substances are from God. Of them, there are of use to us, and of them are harmful to us. Not all affect everyone the same way. So whoever uses them to benefit mankind, has his/her reward with God and is a kind of help from God to those who are ill and seek help. As for those who seek to profit without truly helping someone seeking help in illness, God will judge when all of us will be called to account. Only those who are grateful, truly rely on God alone. God is not restricted by any means or forms or appearance of "help" to people. Do you accuse people of shirk when they go to a trader to buy bread? By your definition they are not relying on God but the trader is the one giving sustenance...Do you not have any sense? You falsify deliberately!

To both drfazl and FreedomStands
Do you have divine knowledge from God when you claim God does this or that or wills this or that other than what is in the book?

Check your phrases before you make claims, referring to your comment in red^.

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So the person spoken of in 7176 whom God gave signs, was it God who willed him to follow his desire or was it himself who followed his own desire? was it God who willed him to reject, or was it himself who detached himself from the signs given by God? Only when the people incline and do good then perhaps they receive God's forgiveness, mercy and guidance. God does not guide the wrongdoers. They are left astray by God, but even then it maybe that God sends guidance to them if It wills.

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*Those who associate others with Allah say exactly what you are saying, do you yet still not reflect? Allah wills people to go astray because of what is in their own hearts and their own evil inclinations. They like you, also argued that whatever they do or anyone else does or did, including generations before them is because God wills/willed them to do it. Still no effort at thought on your part?

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*Do you read one part of a verse/sign/book and ignore the rest? Do you not comprehend? Reading the complete verse after the "part" with what you constantly cite

"...And you will certainly be questioned about what you used to do".

How shall you be questioned if you have not done good or evil of your own accord? Then do you still not reflect?

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Do you understand the implications of the conditional statement identifier "If" FreedomStands? As well as "Perhaps/Maybe" ?- (God frequently uses this in the Quran, see 490 and 1425 for example) Or do you not use your mind on purpose?

What on earth are you saying? Do you mock God and It's guidance? People don't choose a path to God (good/evil as defined by God) ? Subliminally telling people that the Quran is pointless? You twist the Quran's message and then say it is from God!

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There is no doubt that God is absolute and has and exhibits absolute authority. Yet you do not comprehend after reading the book.
Indeed people understand or misunderstand because of what is in their own hearts.

Hi.

Let me answer you line by line. First of all, you don't seem to have an incredibly strong knowledge of what the Qur'an actually says. I've provided numerous quotes from the Qur'an but you think I'm just making it up or something. I come from the angle of logic too, since you seem to not be understanding why it has to be the case and can not be otherwise, since if it is otherwise, another power altogether is being made "determiner". This is where you might be having some trouble comprehending what the problem is. When you say "it can go this way or that way, Allah does not choose it, but people choose it (which contradicts what the Qur'an also says, and I'll show you, I am not making it up), you are actually saying "Chance is the determiner, not God". So then "Chance" is the Ultimate, and whatever you're calling God is lesser and dependent on "Chance" to make the decisions and reality of things. So calm yourself down for two seconds, I'm not the one who "has no sense" and is not using my mind. If you are a good person, you'll actually listen and believe exactly what I am saying because there is no error in it, whereas what you are saying apparently is that "people decide" and "God doesn't do it" and ultimately the implications are "since it can go this way or that way and God doesn't do it, Chance is the determining factor, what Ultimately decides". So be it, then it is Chance I worship. I worship whatever is the Ultimate absolutely, nothing lesser.

"What are you saying then?"

I am saying what the Qur'an says. You seem to think it doesn't say that. Apparently you have ignored all the quotes I provide. What are you afraid of?

"That God Wills people to do what It defined as evil in the Quran?"

Yes. Are you not aware of that? Will you run from Islam if you find that is the case? Is that what you're afraid of facing, so you attribute other powers as the Ultimate responsible party? Do you think Allah does not do everything whatsoever? Is God not the director of the movie, the writer of the scripts? Watch, here is God directing evil

Did you not read all of this slowly and thoroughly and repeatedly?
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9607626.0

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AND THUS it is that against every prophet We have set up as enemies the evil forces from among humans as well as from among jinn beings that whisper unto one another glittering half-truths meant to delude the mind But they could not do this unless thy Sustainer had so willed stand, therefore, aloof from them and from all their false imagery!

Read it again and again and again until you get it through your pretty little head. Then either run from Islam or stay with it in wrong beliefs or come to right beliefs. You won't be able to do anything except as Allah wills. Do you hear that clattering? No it isn't your brain rattling around in your head as you shake it in denial, those are the chains which bind you and every move you make and thought you take!

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Had Allah willed, they had not been idolatrous. We have not set thee as a keeper over them, nor art thou responsible for them.

"And if Allah had willed, not (they would have) associated partners (with Him). And not We have made you over them a guardian, and not you (are) over them a manager."

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...Thus We have made fair-seeming to every community their deed.

(It is saying this right after mentioning the shirk and "those they invoke other than Allah" it is taking credit for it again, Allah is the manager of all anyone or anything does, you're like the bees and the ants, and if you say it is not Allah, then know that the Ultimate is in control, even if you say Allah is something less and Chance is the determiner&quot

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And We have destined/assigned for them companions (who) made fair-seeming to them, what (was) before them and what (was) behind them, and (is) justified against them the Word among nations (that have) passed away before them of the jinn and the men. Indeed, they were losers.

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Thy Lord bringeth to pass what He willeth and chooseth. They have never any choice. Glorified be Allah and Exalted above all that they associate (with Him)!

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Yet ye will not, unless Allah willeth. Lo! Allah is Knower, Wise.

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But ye shall not will except as Allah wills,- the Cherisher of the Worlds.

Read it again and again. Do you feel the shirk inside of you burn? Does it just make you want to burst out in more denial of the truth? Come, deny it then. Lets watch you deny and deny the reality until the end, or will you turn in repentance and true surrender to Allah? Allah determines what you will do, you can not even WILL to do it except as Allah wills you to will to do it, you have NOTHING to hold on to, NOTHING to claim as your own, NOTHING that can save you except ALLAH alone, you can destroy you, or help you, absolutely freely, just as Allah has made some people born deformed, some people born into poverty, some rich, some given Muslim families, some given abusive parents, and whatever else. Not a single experience isn't created by Allah alone, there simply is no other creator. Or are you and humanity the creators of all the experiences and God has let you loose on a playground and you move by some power of your own? Dream on!

"That is what every careful reader can tell as the crux of all your posts."

Do you know any of these "careful reader"s? Are you one of them? Surely not! I'm playing with you though, but really, you don't seem to understand why what I am saying is extremely specific and important. It is not only because of the implications of what the other things being said mean, it is also because the Qur'an explicitly says it too, and even if it didn't say it, it is the case with logic and linguistics that another power is being attributed if you say otherwise.

Allah has said that Allah created for the hellfire many men and jinn, created with ears with which they don't hear, eyes with which they don't see, and hearts that don't understand. CREATED for hell CREATED like that, they didn't create that, Allah created such a thing, and Allah does whatever Allah wants. Do you know that revelation?

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And certainly We have created for hell many of the jinn and the men; they have hearts with which they do not understand, and they have eyes with which they do not see, and they have ears with which they do not hear; they are as cattle, nay, they are in worse errors; these are the heedless ones.

"I am not defending drfazl, it's easy to see what he and his following are up to - the classic medical science wars (western vs eastern medicine, traditional vs modern, Allopathy vs Homeopathy) and mixing beliefs in the competition for gaining a customer base. I am saying you are up to a similar theme."

They are telling people to die, deny the gifts of Allah and perform shirk by attributing powers and creators besides Allah alone (when they say Allah did not create medical technology but jinn did besides Allah). I am not saying any such thing. There is no "similar theme" here, "careful reader". I am saying that "All is from God" as the Qur'an instructs me to say. That includes science, good or bad, in every detail it is experienced.

Look how you're continuously denying the truth, and how even after reading what I wrote above you're still in denial! Do you understand this is a trap set up by Allah? You're walking on coals towards a fire, turn around and flee!

"As for drfazl and co, I'll only say this, all chemicals and substances are from God."

MORE THAN THAT. Do you understand that everything your eyes see is "particular information" that is not the same as what others see because what you are experiencing is "seen as you". Do you understand that Allah takes credit for all "handiwork" and even the technologies, like the ships on the sea, the chainmail armor, and everything else? Allah created every detail in existence, humans do not just "use materials provided by Allah freely" but Allah creates every detail of the experiences, all the things in the experience, all the concepts, those are "things" and Allah creates them, good or bad. Everything means Everything, not "some things". Not "created by proxy, with partners creating the details where Allah created only the base materials used". Purify your religion according to what I say if you know what is good for you.

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"But Allah has created you and your handwork!"
"But Allah has created you and whatever you make!"

"Of them, there are of use to us, and of them are harmful to us. Not all affect everyone the same way."

Who made the medicines in every detail? Good or bad? I'll tell you who Allah.

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Wherever you be will overtake you death even if you are in towers lofty. And if befalls them any good they say, "This (is) from Allah," And if befalls them any evil they say, "This (is) from you." Say, "All (is) from Allah." So what (is wrong) (with) these people, they do not seem (to) understand any statement.

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No evil befalls on the earth nor in your own souls, but it is in a book before We bring it into existence; surely that is easy to Allah

Not "Some evil". Evils, disasters, calamities, ALL of them, including disbelief, idolatry, human sacrifice, rape, adultery, and whatever other evil and disasterous things, not just Earthquakes, but even the "evil in your own souls" or within the person or the disasterous thinking. All ALL ALL ALL ALL ALL ALL IS FROM ALLAH WHAT CAN'T YOU UNDERSTAND ABOUT THAT HUH? STILL DENYING? PROBABLY!

Deny all you want, if you stay a Muslim and in denial, perhaps you'll be counted as a hypocrite. Do you know what happens to the hypocrites according to the Qur'an? Surely you remember, as a "careful reader". That is why is better for people to flee from Islam, so when they burn in hell, it might not be as terrible as the punishment of the Hypocrites, those people who were claiming to be Muslim but were not good Muslims.

You're not afraid are you? You should be. I should be afraid.

Yet when you blurt out your broken thinking and blasphemies, and insult me too while you're at it, (and I understand you probably don't even comprehend the implications of what you are saying so that you continue to say it) you are spreading grave error. You think I'm spreading grave error, I am not. I am saying Allah is the only power, All is from Allah, and if I say otherwise, I am attributing other powers, even if I say that the "humans choose to create their destiny by the actions they choose for themselves" I am then saying "it can go this way or that way" meaning "Chance is the determining power, Chance makes the decision of which way it will go, Allah looks to Chance for answers and FOLLOWS AFTER the humans like a slave". DO YOU UNDERSTAND? It isn't being overly dramatic. So if you can swallow your gigantic pride and surrender to this truth, then you'll be better off. I CAN NOT SWALLOW ANYTHING ELSE, BECAUSE IF I DO, I AM DENYING THE NATURE OF THE ULTIMATE ENTIRELY, IT WOULD BE A TERRIBLE TRAGEDY IF I WERE TO SAY OTHERWISE.

"So whoever uses them to benefit mankind, has his/her reward with God and is a kind of help from God to those who are ill and seek help."

Can they choose or even will it on their own, with some power of their own? You probably rush to say "Yes of course!". I hope that changes for your own sake.

"As for those who seek to profit without truly helping someone seeking help in illness, God will judge when all of us will be called to account. Only those who are grateful, truly rely on God alone."

Only those who know that there is no other reliance regardless of what you know, understand, or believe.

"God is not restricted by any means or forms or appearance of "help" to people. Do you accuse people of shirk when they go to a trader to buy bread? By your definition they are not relying on God but the trader is the one giving sustenance...Do you not have any sense? You falsify deliberately!"

Yeah, they are known as "stupid", but you should be wary of your own stupidity too. I know you think I'm stupid as well. I am stupid, but stupid for God.

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Do you have divine knowledge from God when you claim God does this or that or wills this or that other than what is in the book?"

I use the quotes from the Qur'an. I do not make statements like drfazl when he says "God has forgiven the blessed couple" or whatever. When I state something it is based strongly on logical necessity and the Qur'an as well. Go read carefully. You haven't comprehended jack squat if you think I'm making false claims about anything. My reasoning is sound and with a strong basis. There is no way around it except shirk.

"Check your phrases before you make claims, referring to your comment in red^.

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So the person spoken of in 7176 whom God gave signs, was it God who willed him to follow his desire or was it himself who followed his own desire?"

The Qur'an has answered your question, which identifies you as very poor in your knowledge of the Qur'an

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Had Allah willed He could have made you (all) one nation, but He sendeth whom He will astray and guideth whom He will,...

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Do you wish to guide him whom Allah has caused to err? And whomsoever Allah causes to err, you shall by no means find a way for him.

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Whomsoever Allah causes to err, there is no guide for him;

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And those who rejected Our Verses (are) deaf and dumb in the darkness. Whoever Allah wills - He and whoever He wills - He places him on (the) straight way.

(Do you understand that Allah even uses terminology of "deaf and dumb", people who are "deaf" and "mentally retarded" did not choose those states for themselves even, but they are given by Allah, even when they are deaf and dumb to Islam, remember Allah said in the verse I quoted above "created" them like that, just like fish are created for the sea, these are created "with ears with which they don't hear, eyes with which they don't see, and hearts/minds with which they don't understand" created more ignorant and astray than cattle. Deny all you want, do you have some more shirk vomit ready to come out?)

"was it God who willed him to reject, or was it himself who detached himself from the signs given by God?"

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Some of these apostles have We endowed more highly than others among them were such as were spoken to by God , and some He has raised yet higher.' And We vouchsafed unto Jesus, the son of Mary, all evidence of the truth, and strengthened him with holy inspiration. And if God had so willed, they who succeeded those would not have contended with one another after all evidence of the truth had come to them; but they did take to divergent views, and some of them attained to faith, while some of them came to deny the truth. Yet if God had so willed, they would not have contended with one another but God does whatever He wills.

(Just shut your eyes really, really tight, and maybe you'll be able to continue in your denial, for the sake of your imaginary fluff. Identify what is keeping you in a state of shirk, for example the idea that "What about justice?" and get rid of stupidity and come to reality.)

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If God subjects you to a misery, none can save you from it. If, on the other hand, God decides to shower you with a blessing ; this is in account of the fact that God is the Most Powerful.

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God has absolute control over His servants as He is the Most Wise and the Most Knowledgeable.

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Say, "What thing (is) greatest (as) a testimony?" Say, "Allah (is) Witness between me and between you, and has been revealed to me this Quran that I may warn you with it and whoever it reaches. Do you truly testify that with Allah (there are) gods other?" Say, "I (do) not testify." Say, "Only He (is) One God, and indeed, I am free of what you associate (with Him).

"Only when the people incline and do good then perhaps they receive God's forgiveness, mercy and guidance."

THEY CAN NOT EVEN "Incline" Did you not see that it clearly says "You can not" EVEN "will it", you can't even DESIRE it or incline except as Allah decides and commands.

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Our Lord! Cause not our hearts to stray after Thou hast guided us, and bestow upon us mercy from Thy Presence. Lo! Thou, only Thou, art the Bestower.

CAUSE NOT OUR HEARTS TO STRAY. Who is the CAUSE? ABSOLUTE? ALLAH! You're starting to piss me off now. Are you still in denial? Fall down on your face in repentance! I will too! Will you let me beat you in it?

"God does not guide the wrongdoers."

God has created everything, including a certain thing called "wrongdoers" and the calamities associated with them as well. Their "handiwork", everything. Not "some things", not "just base materials, not the details". EVERYTHING. DO YOU UNDERSTAND THAT IF YOU WIGGLE YOUR TOE IT CHANGES THE DAY EVERYONE ON EARTH DIES? This is all precise, all the livelihoods, all the deaths. It can not be delayed for even a second without every detail changing entirely. Everything you do and think and experience is created by Allah and that is all you are and will ever be, and Allah will always be in control, not you, "never any choice had they".

"They are left astray by God, but even then it maybe that God sends guidance to them if It wills."

Not merely "left astray" but "caused to err", CAUSED. He is the CAUSE of everything always.

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*Those who associate others with Allah say exactly what you are saying, do you yet still not reflect? Allah wills people to go astray because of what is in their own hearts and their own evil inclinations. They like you, also argued that whatever they do or anyone else does or did, including generations before them is because God wills/willed them to do it. Still no effort at thought on your part?"

No they don't say "exactly what I am saying" because the people are implying "it is from God so it is necessarily good". This is where the error is with people who say "All is from God" but add "so it is all good". No, the evil is from God too, the calamity, the misery, the trouble, the mental diseases, the madness, and it is not necessarily "good" for those people.

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*Do you read one part of a verse/sign/book and ignore the rest? Do you not comprehend? Reading the complete verse after the "part" with what you constantly cite"

Haha, talking to yourself too huh. Try to understand why I am saying what I am saying. If I say otherwise it is a big problem, you don't seem to understand why.

""...And you will certainly be questioned about what you used to do".

How shall you be questioned if you have not done good or evil of your own accord? Then do you still not reflect?"

Oh wow! I didn't think of that huh! Wowwww! Look at that! Hey smarty pants, did you not hear that Allah does whatever Allah wills, or is it that you're claiming when Allah "questions" it is that Allah does not already know? Questioning is just a method that humans will face, Allah already knows and created everything, or is it that Allah is dependent on other creators and so is "waiting to see what THEY do"? Do you comprehend any of your blasphemies man? Probably not. Allah can create the scene of a court case, have questions, have answers, can do whatever, its just a type of creation. It is not that Allah "really doesn't know what they will say" but is controlling their every action

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O assembly (of) jinn and men! Did (there) not come to you Messengers from (among) you, relating to you My Verses and warning you (of the) meeting (of) this day of yours?" They will say, "We bear witness against ourselves." And deluded them the life (of) the world, and they will bear witness against themselves that they were disbelievers.

See? Allah already knows everything they will say and do. Allah is also the one creating it all

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Until, when they come to it (will) testify against them their hearing, and their sight, and their skins, (as) to what they used to do.

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But God?s is the dominion over the heavens and the earth He forgives whomever He wills, and imposes suffering on whomever He wills - and He is indeed much-forgiving, a dispenser of grace.

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And if We had so willed, We could have given every soul its guidance, but the word from Me concerning evildoers took effect that I will fill hell with the jinn and mankind together.

(Not "I will fill hell with jinn and mankind together if this dice roll, or probability, or Chance determines, and Justice says "yes you should do that, or else you will be unjust" or any varieties of the stupidity people are implying by their denial. Allah has already "created" for the "hell" those who "do not hear, see, understand" and they ALL are doing what Allah makes them do, their tasks, be it murder, rape, pillaging, lying, or whatever else, and then Allah puts them in the place that He alone determines.)

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Do you understand the implications of the conditional statement identifier "If" FreedomStands? As well as "Perhaps/Maybe" ?- (God frequently uses this in the Quran, see 490 and 1425 for example) Or do you not use your mind on purpose?"

Yes, I do understand what "if" means, and that it is "conditional" and I also understand that those who say Allah is driven by "conditions" and is not "unconditioned" are blasphemers and may have their faces burned off in hell. I use my mind, do you use yours? You probably do, but what can you do if it is broken? Allah meaning "if" and "maybe" means "Chance determines" thus Chance is the Ultimate power. In any case it is a figure of speech given to the humans, whereas God knows, but we do not know, so for us it is "maybe" we are left in suspense. Say otherwise, and you're a blasphemer. That is the bottom line.

"What on earth are you saying? Do you mock God and It's guidance? People don't choose a path to God (good/evil as defined by God)?"

GOD CHOOSES, YOU DO NOT CHOOSE ANYTHING. I've already quoted that above as well.

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(Do) not like those who disbelieve from (the) People (of) the Book and not those who associate partners (with Allah), that (there should) be sent down to you any good from your Lord. And Allah chooses for His Mercy whom He wills. And Allah (is the) Possessor (of) Bounty Great.

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He chooses for His mercy whom He will. Allah is of Infinite Bounty.

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And your Lord creates and chooses whom He pleases; to choose is not theirs; glory be to Allah, and exalted be He above what they associate (with Him).

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Say "O Allah! Owner (of) the Dominion, You give the dominion (to) whom You will and You take away the dominion from whom You will, and You honor whom You will, and You humiliate whom You will. In Your hand (is all) the good. Indeed, You (are) on every thing All-Powerful.

"You are Qadirun (Omnipotent) wholly capable of doing all things""

Go read what Qadr is and Qadirun.

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That ye shall indeed have all that ye choose?

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And said to them their Prophet, "Indeed, Allah (has) surely raised for you Talut (as) a king." They said, How can be for him the kingship over us, while we (are) more entitled to kingship than him, and not he has been given abundance of wealth?" He said, "Indeed, Allah has chosen him over you and increased him abundantly in knowledge and physique. And Allah gives His kingdom (to) whom He wills. And Allah (is) All-Encompassing, All-Knowing."

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And We did not send any messenger but with the language of his people, so that he might explain to them clearly; then Allah makes whom He pleases err and He guides whom He pleases and He is the Mighty, the Wise.

So many more examples, it says it numerous times.

"Subliminally telling people that the Quran is pointless? You twist the Quran's message and then say it is from God!"

What are you talking about? The Qur'an is for those who believe, for others it serves to harm them and mislead them

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Lo! Allah disdaineth not to coin the similitude even of a gnat. Those who believe know that it is the truth from their Lord; but those who disbelieve say What doth Allah wish (to teach) by such a similitude? He misleadeth many thereby, and He guideth many thereby; and He misleadeth thereby only miscreants;

The ones who has created to serve the function of "miscreants" and "evildoers" will be misguided. Simple as that.

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So is (it) other than (the) religion (of) Allah they seek? While to Him (have) submitted whatever (is) in the heavens and the earth, willingly or unwillingly, and towards Him they will be returned.

Willingly or unwillingly, they are all doing as Allah commands.

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Did not they see that We come (to) the land, reducing it from its borders? And Allah judges; (there is) no adjuster (of) His Judgment. And He (is) Swift (in) the reckoning.

You do not adjust what Allah determines, you do not make any adjustments, you do only what Allah wills. So, shut up? You can't! Neither can I, except as Allah wills.

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Yes, the Qur'an says the enemies are set up by Allah, the shaitans of human and jinn-kind are all assigned and determined by Allah. Do you blasphemy and claim that there is another power besides God determining and assigning things, be it "Chance" or "individual wills/powers" or anything else? You're inferior, but I am trying to help you stand. You're promoting blasphemy without even realizing it, I am not at all, even though what I am saying might sound unpleasant.

"like you claim everywhere else that God Wills and guides the doings and inclinations of the wrongdoing folk. Who are the wrongdoing folk? Have you ever given thought?"

They are the ones who do wrong, "duh". Evildoers, unjust. What is unappealing to us, and what God has made "evil", they do it. Thought given.

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615* Do you still not understand FreedomStands? It is the people who deviated, God did not send them astray or deviate till they themselves inclined to and did evil despite the guidance!"

Ah yes, God runs after what people do. They make their own decisions, so that they decide to go out on Saturday the 25th at 313 PM stepping on a certain insect unwittingly, delayed at the Coffee shop so that they are not at the crosswalk at a certain time where their sunglasses flash in the light and catch the eye of a certain pedestrian who does not notice the car coming on ahead, with a driver dealing with a phone call and gets hit. God only "determines some of, the humans had a share in what happened". Seriously, shut up. You're just heaping sin on top of sin. They can not do ANYTHING, Allah determines what they do, even though they consciously appear to be making choices. One single difference and they become the determiners of all the fates.

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Believers, do not follow the example of the infidels, who say of their brothers when they meet death abroad or in battle 'Had they stayed with us they would not have died, nor would they have been killed.' God will cause them to regret their words. It is God who ordains life and death. God has knowledge of all your actions.

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*Do you see anywhere in the Quran that God sends astray the good doers and believing people? Everywhere it is the wrongdoers that God sends astray! Yet you insist that God makes people do evil or good. Do you not use your mind? Does God wrong them? or they wrong themselves? - thus does God leave such people astray."

lol say what you want man, you're ignorant and don't understand the implications of what you are saying. I know you think you're speaking on behalf of justice and rightness, but you're doing major blasphemy, and I've explained why. God can send astray or cause to err anyone at all, he is also in control of their deeds and actions, as I've explained, he determines every aspect, there is no detail that he does not determine, as creator of everything, creator of every experience we experience, see, do, think. Not creator of "some things". They are "wrongdoers" and Allah has already sent them astray that they are "wrongdoers" "with ears that do not hear, eyes that do not see, and hearts that do not understand" "created for hell", Allah decrees it, they do not decree it. He chooses and selects, never any choice had they. It doesn't matter about your addiction to human justice, God does whatever God wills, and invented human justice in all its forms and facets, even the Aztecs justice, and made it "fair seeming" to them, are you reading anything I'm writing? I just keep repeating it, so if you want to stay a blasphemer and ignorant person, if that is your "choice", haha then so be it. It is a sad tale indeed, but Allah is the writer of all tragedies.

"There is no doubt that God is absolute and has and exhibits absolute authority. Yet you do not comprehend after reading the book."

lol what a joke. You're the one saying that to me? Saying "God is absolute" coming from you is just "lip service" it means nothing. For you, what you call God is "following after" these powers which operate somehow on their own and doing whatever they will, and God chases after them. You have it backwards. If you don't listen now, maybe you'll learn later, and maybe you'll learn in the absolute worst manner.

Yet, what can I learn? Is it the lesson you're trying to teach me that Allah is not the controller of everything? Then I spit at such a disgusting pathetic God, I worship the Ultimate, nothing less, you can worship your fraud all you want, such a God does not even compare to my Master. Call your God Allah, I'll call my God Odin then, the fetterer of the will. Yet there is only ever one Ultimate.

"Indeed people understand or misunderstand because of what is in their own hearts."

MTHERFA** WHO PUTS IT IN THEIR HEARTS? WHO PUTS IT IN THEIR HEARTS! BRAIN BROKEN! WHO! WHO! I'm speaking your monkey language, WHO WHO WHO! WHO!

Come on.

Pissing me off. Talk to me on Skype or via email [email protected] or something, I'll slap you around more until you become a proper slave. Then a warrior who surrenders to the fray.

faruk

@FreedomStands ,
Salam. Bravo. Fiery but so true and excellent speech. Don't despair (pointless to say that , you can't be cheerful unless Allah wishes you to be cheerful).

FreedomStands

@FreedomStands ,
Salam. Bravo. Fiery but so true and excellent speech. Don't despair (pointless to say that , you can't be cheerful unless Allah wishes you to be cheerful).

Haha exactly! I laughed though! I'm cheerful now with what you said! Thank you!

drfazl

Hi.

Let me answer you line by line. First of all, you don't seem to have an incredibly strong knowledge of what the Qur'an actually says.

Allah asks each of us to obey Him and surrender to His admonition, saying, "None but Allah knows the ultimate meaning 3/7. " The Ruh of Allah breathed into man possesses a little of the knowledge 17/85 from His Quran. So seek from Allah with all humility before Him, "O Allah increase me in knowledge of the Quran."

But here is the One, who turns away from these admonitions of Allah and surpasses above Allah defying Him to say, I have incredibly strong knowledge of what the Quran actually says. Now should we proceed to answer the rest of the ramblings?

FreedomStands

Allah asks each of us to obey Him and surrender to His admonition, saying, "None but Allah knows the ultimate meaning 3/7. " The Ruh of Allah breathed into man possesses a little of the knowledge 17/85 from His Quran. So seek from Allah with all humility before Him, "O Allah increase me in knowledge of the Quran."

But here is the One, who turns away from these admonitions of Allah and surpasses above Allah defying Him to say, I have incredibly strong knowledge of what the Quran actually says. Now should we proceed to answer the rest of the ramblings?

So you call my saying that Allah alone has all the power and is the controller and determining of everything absolutely, "ramblings"?

BEHOLD! I have learned the magic of drfazl! Only Allah can stop me now!

drfazl

Hi.

Let me answer you line by line. First of all, you don't seem to have an incredibly strong knowledge of what the Qur'an actually says.

Can you explain the bold part alone as to what you think of others and what you demand of others to think of you, directly or indirectly? "Incredibly strong in Quran" is sure rambling and against 3/7, 20/114 and 17/85.

FreedomStands

Can you explain the bold part alone as to what you think of others and what you demand of others to think of you, directly or indirectly? "Incredibly strong in Quran" is sure rambling and against 3/7, 20/114 and 17/85.

But you are the one who added implications falsely, I said something specific, I didn't state the opposite of what I said, drsnake. So you're, as usual, trying to falsely accuse. This is a bad habit of yours, but it is what Shaitans tend to do, and I know it might be hard for you to come to terms with being a devil, but the decision was never yours.

A Shaitan is one, like yourself, who goes around telling people that "All is not from God" (your first post in this thread starts off with your blasphemy) then continues to tell people not to take medicine and harm their bodies and spread disease, all the while having your shirki ideas behind it. You can't accuse me of shirk at all, I am the one who says Allah alone is the sole power controlling all matters entirely. Down to the little twinge in your nose hairs.

Then the Shaitani type of person comes and accuses and maligns and attacks someone who is saying that Allah alone is the only power. Are you starting to realize how you're a big devil? When I was sending messages to strengthen someone, you said the opposite, and then you made bold claims also that someone is "blessed" without any knowledge whatsoever. I've caught you by your snake tail every time, will you ever turn into a proper human being?

For as long as you continue to do evil, Allah might send against you people who remind you of your crimes, so cease your criminality. Your coming around like a snake and twisting things and attacking. People think I do that, but I don't really, and if I do it has a good cause, but what is your cause in defying me and attacking me? Your cause is to say the opposite of what I am saying.

What is it that I am saying? I am saying Allah is the sole power. You are attacking that and saying the opposite. You're a shirk riddled serpent who needs to be grabbed by the tail and smashed against every wall until you get it through your snake head that Allah is the power, not "drfazl" and not anyone else, and not the "jinn", Allah created everything.

So you can say Allah created medicine and medicine is bad, that is better than saying "Allah didn't do it, Allah does some things but not all things, Chance determines some things, Allah determines other things".

Now if you say that medicine is bad is another issue, and it is criminal of you to try to harm people and it is also generally stupid, your whole idea is stupid, maybe some part of you knows that.

Yet none of your crimes is bigger than your reasoning. You could say look how harmful medicine is, blah blah, that is not the problem here, it is you saying "Allah didn't do it, the jinn made it, Allah had no share in their creative power" that makes you a huge shirki blasphemer.

Your medicine stupidity is literally criminal, you are telling people to damage their bodies, to die, to refuse the gifts of Allah and the technologies of Allah, and also propagating the spread of disease. This makes you a genocidal maniac who needs to be opposed.

Me? I'm simply saying Allah is the sole power. I'm not saying any of the crap you are saying, which is extraneous garbage. Everything I am saying is good and precise and has a strong basis.

Let me talk to the supposed doctor who went to medical school, not the disease spreading killer, but someone with sense. Is it all gone now? Knock knock, who is there? Hisss, its drsnake.

unknownuser

MTHERFA** WHO PUTS IT IN THEIR HEARTS? WHO PUTS IT IN THEIR HEARTS! BRAIN BROKEN! WHO! WHO! I'm speaking your monkey language, WHO WHO WHO! WHO!

Come on.

Pissing me off. Talk to me on Skype or via email [email protected] or something, I'll slap you around more until you become a proper slave. Then a warrior who surrenders to the fray.

Well at least we know what you're made of. Bravo. No, I will never surrender to you nor your fray, you aren't God nor his deputy. You're very bold though. Not very bright, but very bold. Why should I or anyone bother e-mailing you? The guidance is the Quran, not FreedomStands and his foxyfoxgames and his ridiculously long spam, self-centered, often contradictory posts. I never asked any specific questions to you because I am not seeking any answers from you. I read your post, it's the same contradictions regurgitated with a complete lack of any insight.

I believe the essence of the Quran's message that tells us that God has absolute control over everything and by It's will, we have been permitted to choose good or evil for which God will recompense and judge us, either acceptable, or unacceptable.

I only posted, because people should see that where they must turn to - the Quran. Not me, not FreedomStands, not anyone else, but the Quran. Learn some manners and study the Quran before you start preaching or teaching. Actually no, go join your barbaric ISIS pals who have a similar way. Don't bother addressing me any further. Salaam.

Man_of_Faith

It is in the intention, but dieing in the proper state of mind is a blessing. No need to stop that.

Diseases are often generated through our ways of journeying. It is better to change ways than starting to use medications.

But, all matter can be used as tools. God did not forbid it, but blind reliance upon them is a negative trend, and it is indeed better with Faith in Being and conformity. The one with Faith can see themselves both much healthier and happier.

And strong enough Faith can cure illnesses by itself because such one has control over the flesh through the Holy Spirit.

If you draw your hand over a pitcher of water and say "be you purified", it will be so, if you had Faith it would be so and did not doubt it. Faith is the same as confidence and trust and acknowledgement and is the meaning of 'iman/amen' . It is about being whole, of integrity and refers to the Spirit.

God does not expect belief but absolute certainty and confidence, i.e. the state of Being.

Be well

Man_of_Faith

I believe the essence of the Quran's message that tells us that God has absolute control over everything and by It's will, we have been permitted to choose good or evil for which God will recompense and judge us, either acceptable, or unacceptable.

Yes, we have a choice. It is a test, and a test is not predestined or it is illogical.

FreedomStands

Well at least we know what you're made of. Bravo. No, I will never surrender to you nor your fray, you aren't God nor his deputy. You're very bold though. Not very bright, but very bold. Why should I or anyone bother e-mailing you? The guidance is the Quran, not FreedomStands and his foxyfoxgames and his ridiculously long spam, self-centered, often contradictory posts. I never asked any specific questions to you because I am not seeking any answers from you. I read your post, it's the same contradictions regurgitated with a complete lack of any insight.

I believe the essence of the Quran's message that tells us that God has absolute control over everything and by It's will, we have been permitted to choose good or evil for which God will recompense and judge us, either acceptable, or unacceptable.

I only posted, because people should see that where they must turn to - the Quran. Not me, not FreedomStands, not anyone else, but the Quran. Learn some manners and study the Quran before you start preaching or teaching. Actually no, go join your barbaric ISIS pals who have a similar way. Don't bother addressing me any further. Salaam.

Well at least we know what you're made of. Bravo. No, I will never surrender to you nor your fray, you aren't God nor his deputy. You're very bold though. Not very bright, but very bold. Why should I or anyone bother e-mailing you? The guidance is the Quran, not FreedomStands and his foxyfoxgames and his ridiculously long spam, self-centered, often contradictory posts. I never asked any specific questions to you because I am not seeking any answers from you. I read your post, it's the same contradictions regurgitated with a complete lack of any insight.

I believe the essence of the Quran's message that tells us that God has absolute control over everything and by It's will, we have been permitted to choose good or evil for which God will recompense and judge us, either acceptable, or unacceptable.

I only posted, because people should see that where they must turn to - the Quran. Not me, not FreedomStands, not anyone else, but the Quran. Learn some manners and study the Quran before you start preaching or teaching. Actually no, go join your barbaric ISIS pals who have a similar way. Don't bother addressing me any further. Salaam.

I apologize, my earlier post was one continuous typo. What I actually meant to say was "A.W. is totally right, God is a weakling who relies on chance to determine things". There, are you happy now? You have your weak little baby God just like you wanted, and I have proclaimed you the victor! I am confounded, dumbfounded, found dumb, and going "blblbllb" and drool is coming out of my mouth too! I'm an ape with a unibrow that goes around my whole head like a bandana. I'm crawling on the floor pitifully (of my own free, free, free will), and you have made a public fool of me, I am humiliated, totally ashamed of myself, I've purchased a whole pack of diapers and I'm wearing them already, I'm a total mess, everything around me is a mess, I have put wheels on my knees and travel by rolling on my knees out of shame.

As you've seen, people looking at the Qur'an apparently doesn't work, you can show them a million quotes, they can read it themselves, but they just don't understand and continue to blasphemy. So, I recommend they listen to FreedomStands instead, who will help them to understand what the Qur'an says!

"Often contradictory posts", what contradiction? Could you help me find my contradiction, it is missing, I guess it must not be very big that it is hard to spot, or is my contradiction very big and rather difficult to miss, all up in your face, smacking it back and forth?

Maybe I can't see the contradiction because my whole head is a contradiction. So contradictory, that Allah has all the power, that Allah is the determiner of everything, that Allah can make things that are not necessarily good for people. Contradictions everywhere! Not very bright either huh, so dim, dimwitted, dull, in darkness, because of saying that, because of saying that Allah determines everything and that people who say otherwise are actually saying that "chance" determines things and God looks to chance to determine things, and doesn't know anything really or what they will do necessarily and is ignorant, and then when they do something God chases after them, is conditioned by the humans. You certainly are so righteous in your thinking aren't you, you and the God which you present.

One moment, let me invoke your God. Hey stupid! Hey, yeah you, you stupid God! Guess what I'm going to do with my hand! Ha! You don't know! You idiot! You stupid idiot God! You don't know what I'm going to do next, you are so pathetic and dumb. A.W. told me about you, he told me you are an ignorant, stupid, fool who knows nothing and doesn't control anything much, especially not people. Hey dumby! Listen up dumby. If I want to sit, you'll provide the chair for me, you pathetic slave, you're my BITCH. Hey, Bitch-God, what can you do to me? You don't even know what I'll do next, you are so dumb and pathetic.

I worship something greater than you, Bitch-God, you ignorant trash. I worship a God who can tear me to pieces in an instant with no reason or any reason, and return me back. My God knows what I'll do next, because my God creates everything. What do you create, Bitch-God? You create nothing at all, you slime! You have no idea what I will do next. You have no idea if I'll go to paradise or hell. You have no knowledge, you unwitting, ignorant, fool! Haha, you are so stupid! A.W. likes you though, at least you have him, by the way, he is very good at spotting contradictions apparently, he is a contradiction magnet, his eyes are constantly drawn to big looming contradictions. You have a nifty servant there, unfortunately, you are so stupid and ignorant, you don't even know what your servant will do next, you're like a human, just a dumb human-like, ignorant, doofus. Look, how you don't even strike me down, you pathetic animal. Oh, is that your mercy, weakling? Is that your mercy that you don't strike me down, O Ignorant one? MY GOD IS THE DESTROYER, YOU WILL QUIVER AT MY GOD, FOOL, YOU ARE AT MY GOD'S MERCY, YOU CAN'T EVEN TOUCH ME, THAT IS WHY I'M SO BOLD. IF I'm HARMED, it isn't ME who did it, you LIARS, it is MY GOD who did it. Come you disobedient slaves. Let us come together, like the Qur'an recommends at one part, and invoke upon ourselves the CURSE OF ALLAH, haha I want to watch you suffer horrifically! DO YOU DARE? I DARE IT! I INVOKE UPON MYSELF THE CURSE OF ALLAH IF I AM WRONG AND THE ULTIMATE IS NOT THE ULTIMATE (haha maybe if you have any thought functions you'll realize why I'm completely safe in that statement), in the MEANTIME, I issue upon you all a TERRIBLE CURSE, SO HORRIFIC, THAT IF YOU ARE WRONG IN WHAT YOU SAY, YOU WILL BEGIN TO SUFFER INCREASINGLY UN TIL YOU REPENT AND CORRECT YOURSELVES! OOH! I'm SO excited! Black magic! Come! Do you dare to take on the curse? Don't worry, it is already upon you even before I uttered it, and I'm with you, I've issued it on myself too. HAHAH! LETS DO THIS!

OH LORD! I WORSHIP THE ULTIMATE! THEY SAY OF YOU THAT YOU RELY ON CHANCE TO DETERMINE THINGS! IF I AM WRONG THAT YOU THE ULTIMATE ARE THE ULTIMATE AND IN FACT YOU RELY ON CHANCE, LIKE A PATHETIC CREATURE LIKE THEM, THEN I AM CURSED, CURSED TO WORSHIPING THE ULTIMATE, THOUGH IF I AM RIGHT, DO THOU DESTROY THEM IN STAGES, AND INFORM ME OF THEIR DESTRUCTION IN STAGES, SO THEY BEG YOU FOR RELIEF, BUT YOU DO NOT RELIEVE THEM UNTIL THEY SURRENDER THEIR SHIRK.

Come, are you ready for it? Are you so bold? This is a curse I'm not worried about at all. They say of you, Allah, that you don't know what will happen to them or what they will do next. That you look to chance to do anything, that you don't know if it will go this way or that way, and you don't control them and they walk and live on their own power.

HEY! DEVILS! ISSUE ALL YOUR CURSES ON ME! USE YOUR MAGIC! USE YOUR WILL AND YOUR POWERS AND EVEN YOUR PRAYERS TO ALLAH TO CURSE ME AND BRING ME DOWN! COME ON! COWARDS! GO ASK YOUR GOD WHO IS NOT OMNISCIENT, NOT OMNIPOTENT, TO HARM ME! HAHA! ASK YOUR GOD TO KILL ME EVEN! COME ON! ARE YOU AFRAID? AFRAID OF WHAT? I won't ask that you guys are killed, just that you come to know the Ultimate, but really, Allah has more malice than me, and probably won't even teach you, and then in the end will destroy you too. IF ALLAH DESTROYS ME, IT IS ONLY ONE WHO SAID ALLAH HAS ALL THE POWER, ALLAH ALONE IS THE ULTIMATE, ALLAH HAS NO PARTNERS, ALLAH IS THE CHOOSER AND DECIDER, THERE IS NO ONE WHO CONDITIONS THE RESPONSE OF ALLAH, IT IS ALLAH WHO MAKES ALL THINGS, CREATES EVERY DETAIL. So what if God destroys me? I was destroyed as the UTMOST devotee of the ULTIMATE. IF you're destroyed, you'll be destroyed in the midst of saying "God doesn't do everything, we choose, chance determines, God chases after our decisions".

The Qur'an goes further, and asks that we involve our families too, and invoke the curse of Allah upon ourselves regarding who is right in this matter.

Here is the bottom line If I am wrong, and I can not be wrong, it simply means the Ultimate goes by some other name in your vocabulary, and that what you are worshiping is less than the Ultimate, that is why I can't be wrong. The good joke here is you probably won't suffer, because suffering is a gift that teaches the truth, and Allah gives long happy lives to many of the disbelievers that they increase in their trespasses and sin, because Allah is so malicious and wishes even more harm on them and more terrible punishments and tortures.

I repeat, take on my challenge. Bring on your curses, curse my family too, and think why you are cursing me also, that I say Allah alone is the power with no partner. Haha, what a good reason to curse me huh?

Let us see who is right, are you ready for it? Is the one who says that Allah is the Ultimate the correct one, or the one who says Mankind determines what Allah does and "it can go this way or that way, Allah doesn't know and chance determines it", WHICH ONE OF US IS RIGHT! LET THE CURSE OF ALLAH DECIDE IT! ARE YOU READY FOR IT? YOU REALLY THINK YOU ARE IN THE RIGHT?

Let me invoke your trash God once more.

Hey you dumby! Yeah, I'm talking to you again! You dumb fool! Did you guess yet what I will do next, o Ignorant One? Will I turn my head left or right! You don't know! You are so stupid and lacking in knowledge. My God can turn my head left and right, but you can't even touch my head, you impotent fool! What power do you have? Oh, none whatsoever? My God has all the power, can you overcome my God? You who do not even know what will happen next! You who are in suspense! You who watches like a human and wonders what they will do! You lame brain! Humanoid! What have you created? You do not create what they will do even! What do you create? Nothing at all, you fraud! My God created everything absolutely, down to what anyone sees, and determines what they see, even as they see themselves picking up a can of soda, and even their erroneous thoughts regarding the Ultimate, but they are far from invoking the Ultimate, they only invoke you, you garbage animal! You do not even comprehend the future, nor do you make the future, but rely on other powers and causes to do it. What do you do? Do you do anything? No, you do nothing. You have many worshipers though, such as drfazl, A.W., Man of Faith and others, they all say of you that you know nothing of what will happen next, you are ignorant, you are foolish, you are weak, you are impotent, you leave things up to other powers, you have many partners who all determine what you do next. You are nothing but a slave, running after all these Masters. What kind of a God are you? You are no God. I'm GREATER THAN YOU, I DETERMINE WHAT YOU DO NEXT, YOU DO NOT KNOW THE SECRETS THAT I KNOW, SUCH AS WHAT I WILL DO NEXT. YOU KNOW NOTHING OF IT, YOU DO NOT KNOW IF I WILL GO TO PARADISE OR I WILL GO TO HELL, IF I AM A DISBELIEVER OR A BELIEVER, I AM YOUR KING AND YOU ARE MY SLAVE, WHEN I SIT YOU COME RUNNING AFTER ME TO PLACE THE CHAIR, WHEN I WISH TO GO HERE OR THERE, I DETERMINE IT AND YOU DETERMINE NOTHING, YOU JUST WATCH LIKE AN IMPOTENT OLD PERVERT. This is what they believe of you, and they worship you still, you fruitless tree. You are nothing but an invention of their own diseased minds.

My God on the other hand, is the God of YOU and ME alike, which makes you nothing but another creation like me, you can't even touch me unless my God COMMANDS IT and BRINGS IT INTO EXISTENCE, CREATING IT TO "BE" SO. It is my God that I fear, not you, who doesn't even know what I will do next nor determines it. I am not afraid of you or anyone or anything at all, but I quail at the thought of my God, the Horror of the Worlds.

My brother Noah (Nuh) was more malicious than me even, his prayer was to INCREASE THEM IN DISBELIEF/WRONGDOING. Whereas I tirelessly work to teach these apes something of value to them.

The curse of the Ultimate is upon those who are ignorant, though they think it is bliss.

Come on! I dare all you magicians, any of you magicians watching, to curse me! Bring on all your black magic! Do you know that my Lord is the Lord of Evil? My God is the VERY POWER of BLACK MAGIC? So try your powers, pray to your pathetic ignorant gods that you call by the name of "Allah" and whatever else "Rabb" "Sustainer" invoke all of them, and see if anything at all can TOUCH ME. NOTHING CAN TOUCH ME SAVE THE ULTIMATE, AND BE WARNED IF YOU TRY, because my God is a terror like you can't even imagine.

Praise be to Allah, the true Lord of the Worlds and EVERYTHING, Lord of the ALAMEEN, all the distinctions, all the things, all the thoughts. My God is NOT your ugly weak God, my God is FAR REMOVED from your dumb attributions.

Do you call my attributions dumb? To say that I worship only the Ultimate is dumb? That the Ultimate is whatever determines, not what looks to other powers to determine? Who is the contradictory one, who is the not so bright one? Who is the stupid one? Surely it is me who is stupid!

So stupid to invoke the curse of your Gods, your People, your Malice, your Magic. Come, Come oh you powerful ones, use the power of your will against me HAHA COME ON, USE ALL YOUR FORCE AGAINST ME! CAN YOU EVEN ISSUE A FART ON COMMAND? YOU WIMPS! YOU SHRIMPS! COME ON! COME MIGHTY ONES! ATTACK WITH YOUR MAGIC! PRAY TO YOUR GODS IF THEY EXIST AT ALL AND LET THEM TRY TO HARM ME! THEY CAN NOT HARM EVEN A FLY!

My God can tear up your bowels from the inside, I'm excited for when my God will do it, but I am NOT the determiner, unlike you people and your claims.

Come, I am calling Reel to use the "Law of Attraction" against me, and your stupid sorcerer friend who apparently is issuing curses. Bring it on you creatures, you mad slaves who think you have any power!

Destroy ME! Do it if you can!

Issue horrific curses, write things on paper and bury it, pray to your gods who determine nothing and control nothing. Watch me crumble before your majestic power and cry out "Oh God! It was true all along, you don't determine anything, you are but the servant and follower of Chance! They were right! I was wrong! Oh God I regret invoking the curses on me, they all had so much power each of them and their fantasies! Oh God I'm melting! Save me! Oh yeah, you can't save me, you are an impotent little creep!"

Come drfazl, you disease spreading snake and murderer, you child killer, issue your curse upon me, I want to watch it! Watch me then run to doctors to cure me and their cures to fail on me!

Come reel, call all your Satanist relatives to issue their magic and curses on me. Ha, there is no greater evil power than what I worship, they think they have access to my Lord?

Come A.W., show me that you have some testicles, and pray in all righteousness that I be cursed for saying that Allah is the Ultimate, and that you be vindicated for saying that people determine what Allah does. HAHA Yeah, COME ON. What, are you a coward?

Who else wants to curse me? Mmkhan, give it a shot, you wimp, you deceiver.

I want everyone on this website, ALL THE JINN AND MANKIND to gather together and use ALL THEIR INTENTION to CURSE ME.

SEE IF YOUR INTENTION COUNTS FOR ANYTHING AT ALL. Come on, I dare you.

Oh Allah, defeat the evildoers, defeat them please! You alone give them rein! Make them suffer horrifically for what they say about you! Oh Allah, destroy them all or make them turn in repentance, the choice is yours alone!

Come I've cursed you all now, so bring it on, do your worst! Issue a barrage of prayers and curses to your gods, the gods who don't know what will happen next, go ahead! Lets see if they can create anything!

Don't be afraid! Consider it self defense, now a terrible curse is upon you all for what you say, so go ahead and pray that the cursing one (me, FreedomStands) is harmed by your intentions, your will, your powers, your dreams, your gods. Come on!

Ask ISIS to issue their curses on me too, and all the Christians and the Jews. Do you know they have tried before? Haha, I was on another website where they tried.

Alright. Please remember this post was for your entertainment and enjoyment, your excitement, and does contain some dimwitted wisdom for those who can discern it!

FreedomStands

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The Truth (comes) from Allah alone; so be not of those who doubt.
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But whoever disputes with you in this matter after what has come to you of knowledge, then say Come let us call our sons and your sons and our women and your women and our near people and your near people, then let us be earnest in prayer, and pray for the curse of Allah on the liars.
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Lo! This verily is the true narrative. There is no Allah save Allah, and lo! Allah, He verily is, is the Mighty, the Wise.
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And if they turn away - behold, God has full knowledge of the spreaders of corruption.
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Say O People of the Scripture! Come to an agreement between us and you that we shall worship none but Allah, and that we shall ascribe no partner unto Him, and that none of us shall take others for lords beside Allah. And if they turn away, then say Bear witness that we are they who have surrendered

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Surely those who disbelieve and die while they are disbelievers, these it is on whom is the curse of Allah and the angels and men all;
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In this state shall they abide; neither will their suffering, be lightened, nor will they be granted respite.
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AND YOUR GOD is the One God there is no deity save Him, the Most Gracious, the Dispenser of Grace.
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Verily, in the creation of the heavens and of the earth, and the succession of night and day and in the ships that speed through the sea with what is useful to man and in the waters which God sends down from the sky, giving life thereby to the earth after it had, been lifeless, and causing all manner of living creatures to multiply thereon and in the change of the winds, and the clouds that run their appointed courses between sky and earth there are messages indeed for people who use their reason.
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Yet of mankind are some who take unto themselves (objects of worship which they set as) rivals to Allah, loving them with a love like (that which is the due) of Allah (only) - those who believe are stauncher in their love for Allah - Oh, that those who do evil had but known, (on the day) when they behold the doom, that power belongeth wholly to Allah, and that Allah is severe in punishment!
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it will come to pass that those who had been adored shall disown their followers, and the latter shall see the suffering , with all their hopes cut to pieces!

Oh Lord, you know how to talk!

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and the fifth time, that God?s curse be upon him if he is telling a lie.

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They have earned the curse of Allah and of the angels and of the pious whose curse damages the accused; their own homes shall be cursed.

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1985), If a man kills a believer intentionally, his recompense is Hell, to abide therein (For ever) And the wrath and the curse of Allah are upon him (Remember that drfazl urges people to harm and kill themselves too by telling them not to fight disease)

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O you who (have) been given the Book, believe in what We (have) revealed confirming what is with you, before We efface faces and turn them on their backs or We curse them as We cursed companions (of) the Sabbath. And is (the) command of Allah (always) executed.

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Cursed wherever they are found they shall be seized and murdered, a (horrible) murdering.

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When thou lookest at them, their exteriors please thee; and when they speak, thou listenest to their words. They are as (worthless as hollow) pieces of timber propped up, (unable to stand on their own). They think that every cry is against them. They are the enemies; so beware of them. The curse of Allah be on them! How are they deluded (away from the Truth)!

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And the word was spoken "O earth, swallow up thy waters! And, O sky, cease !" And the waters sank into the earth, and the will was done, and the ark came to rest on Mount Judl And the word was spoken "Away with these evildoing folk!"

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He said My Lord! Lo! I have called unto my people night and day
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But all my calling doth but add to their repugnance;
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"And every time I have called to them, that Thou mightest forgive them, they have (only) thrust their fingers into their ears, covered themselves up with their garments, grown obstinate, and given themselves up to arrogance.

"No, I will never surrender to you nor your fray"
"self-centered, often contradictory posts. I never asked any specific questions to you because I am not seeking any answers from you."
"Learn some manners and study the Quran before you start preaching or teaching. Actually no, go join your barbaric ISIS pals who have a similar way. Don't bother addressing me any further."

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Again, truly, I called to them with openness.
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and, behold I preached to them in public; and I spoke to them secretly, in private;
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and said ?Seek forgiveness from your Lord; He has been so Forgiving.
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He will send down upon you the cloud, pouring down abundance of rain (lol irony)
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And will help you with wealth and sons, and will assign unto you Gardens and will assign unto you rivers.
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What is the matter with you that you fear not the greatness of Allah?
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"'Seeing that it is He that has created you in diverse stages?
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Do you not see how Allah has created the seven heavens, one above another,
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And made the moon therein a light, and made the sun a lamp?
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"'And God has caused you to grow out of the earth in growth; and thereafter He will return you to it
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and He will bring you forth in resurrection.

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Noah continued "O my Sustainer! Behold, they have opposed me , for they follow people whose wealth and children lead them increasingly into ruin,
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and who have devised a most awesome blasphemy
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And they have said Forsake not your gods. Forsake not Wadd (meaning "Love&quot, nor Suwa', nor Yaghuth (meaning "He Helps&quot and Ya'uq ("He Protects&quot and Nasr (meaning "Vulture" but possibly also something like "Victory" "Assistance&quot.
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"They have already misled many; and grant Thou no increase to the wrong-doers but in straying

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And Noah prayed "O my Sustainer! Leave not on earth any of those who deny the truth
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"For, if Thou dost leave (any of) them, they will but mislead Thy devotees, and they will breed none but wicked ungrateful ones.
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My Lord! Forgive me and my parents and him who entereth my house believing, and believing men and believing women, and increase not the wrong-doers in aught save ruin.

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Those are those whom God cursed, so He made them unwilling to hear and their sight, unwilling to see.

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And the Jews say The hand of Allah is bound up! Their hands shall be shackled and they shall be cursed for what they say. Nay, both His hands are spread out, He expends as He pleases; and what has been revealed to you from your Lord will certainly make many of them increase in inordinacy and unbelief; and We have put enmity and hatred among them till the day of resurrection; whenever they kindle a fire for war Allah puts it out, and they strive to make mischief in the land; and Allah does not love the mischief-makers.

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