If "Only Allah", then "Allah Alone" is our watchword
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Peace.
There is only one truth. Whether you defend it or not ,it will prevail.
Defending the truth means calling to GOD Alone and Qoran Alone. GOD does everything.
Proclaim "O people, the truth has come to you herein from your Lord. Whoever is guided is guided for his own good. And whoever goes astray, goes astray to his own detriment. I am not a guardian over you."
Praise God, who revealed to His servant this scripture, and made it flawless.
A perfect (scripture) to warn of severe retribution from Him, and to deliver good news to the believers who lead a righteous life, that they have earned a generous recompense.Such is God, your rightful Lord. What is there after the truth, except falsehood? How could you disregard all this?
Say, "The truth has come; while falsehood can neither initiate anything, nor repeat it."
We only send the messengers as simply deliverers of good news, as well as warners. Those who disbelieve argue with falsehood to defeat the truth, and they take My proofs and warnings in vain.
God cites the example of a man who deals with disputing partners (Hadith/personal opinions/innovations/...), compared to a man who deals with only one consistent source (Qoran). Are they the same? Praise be to God; most of them do not know.
Qoran 3933] As for those who promote the truth, and believe therein, they are the righteous.
Among our creations, there are those who guide with the truth, and the truth renders them righteous.
God took a covenant from those who received the scripture "You shall proclaim it to the people, and never conceal it." But they disregarded it behind their backs, and traded it away for a cheap price. What a miserable trade.
And preach with this (Qoran) to those who reverence the summoning before their Lord - they have none beside Him as a Lord and Master, nor an intercessor - that they may attain salvation.
We are fully aware of everything they utter, while you have no power over them. Therefore, remind with this Qoran, those who reverence My warnings.
So ,whoever is claiming the truth but is following falsehood GOD is aware of them.
In GOD we trust . Help us Lord to promote your truth to defeat falsehood in whatever guise it may appear.
GOD bless.
Peace.Good post. The Truth will always prevail, that is, whatever Allah determines will always prevail, but the idea I'm also trying to promote is that regardless of the truth prevailing or not, in focusing on ourselves we should not stand by or sit by or sleep by as evil and injustice, misguidance and lies abound, but the least we can do is stand up and speak out against wrong, and that is good for us, regardless if anyone listens or if truth prevails or not, that we stood up against and opposed evil and fought against it, its part of our duty and obligation as true Muslims, it is part of striving in the cause of Allah (Jihad), it is a religious and personal practice that has nothing to do with actually winning or not.
Ibrahim stood upright for righteousness and truth against the lies. He was sickened by the lies and destroyed idolatry and mocked it. Nuh stood against lies where the people worshiped "Love" (Wadd) and others concepts. Musa stood against the Pharoah with Harun, Lut spoke out against the evils of his community. These people were the righteous, and Muhammed fought against evil as well, as Allah commanded and prescribed. It is no little thing, and it doesn't matter what the results are at all, just that we do it, like charity. Charity is not about if it actually ends up resolving all poverty in the world, but is about our individual action of being intent on relieving trouble and anxiety, another form of fighting evil and injustice.
So we must, if we are to be proven as true Muslims, stand up and speak out against evil, against shirk, against all the vipers and the witches and their poison and lies.
I am not wrong in this. This is just an internet forum, and is one of the easiest places we can speak out against evilness when it is spotted, but I didn't come here for that purpose, its just that a Muslim naturally hates evil and is sickened by it and speaks out against it, the same way these hypocrites are disgusted by the statement that Allah alone is the Ultimate who determines everything absolutely and there is no power but Allah alone nor anything which Allah relies on for results, such as "Chance".
Remember the Qur'an says how they are disgusted when Allah alone is mentioned and love only when Allah is mentioned with other powers and partners and concepts.
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Exactly!
Salaam good logic
lol what in the world are you saying "exactly!" for while promoting that Allah relies on chance to determine things, does not know what people will necessarily do nor determines it, and that they operate on their own power? Telling people who are trying to straighten you up not to address you and that you are not going to learn anything, when you are a shirk promoter, and also a defender of evilness, who comes and opposes people fighting against evil and does so by saying "no, God is not the Ultimate controller or determiner, but we determine what paths we choose, and it is left to chance, and God doesn't determine or choose, or but we choose, and God watches in suspense, not knowing, and leaving it up to chance since it can go this way or that way" these are NOT false accusations, these are the actual things implied in what you are saying, and you come and fight me instead of a devil like drfazl and other promoters of falsehood and evil. You are always on the wrong side of the fence, why don't you humble yourself and come to the side of right?
You won't be able to, save as Allah wills. You can not even will it, except as Allah wills it.
Allah has placed you on the wrong side of goodness, because you say that Allah does not choose and determine, because you think it is unjust or evil to say that Allah is the determiner and cause of evil. In your hope for piety, you become a blasphemer and performer of shirk.
Is there ANY shirk in the statement that ALLAH ALONE IS THE POWER WHICH DETERMINES AND CONTROLS EVERYTHING ABSOLUTELY, THE SOLE CREATOR OF EVERY DETAIL OF WHICH THERE IS NO OTHER CREATOR? IS THERE ANY SHIRK IN THAT STATEMENT?
NO!
YET IS THERE SHIRK IN THE STATEMENT THAT "GOD DOES NOT CREATE EVERYTHING ABSOLUTELY, ONLY SOME THINGS, HUMANS CHOOSE WHAT GOD CREATES OR WHAT WILL HAPPEN NEXT IN THEIR EXPERIENCE AND CHANCE DETERMINES SINCE IT CAN GO ANY WAY BASED ON VARIOUS PRE-CALCULATED PATHS WHICH GOD HAS NO IDEA WHAT WILL BE CHOSEN"
Do you understand? I'm trying to help you.
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lol what in the world are you saying "exactly!" for while promoting that Allah relies on chance to determine things, does not know what people will necessarily do nor determines it, and that they operate on their own power? Telling people who are trying to straighten you up not to address you and that you are not going to learn anything, when you are a shirk promoter, and also a defender of evilness, who comes and opposes people fighting against evil and does so by saying "no, God is not the Ultimate controller or determiner, but we determine what paths we choose, and it is left to chance, and God doesn't determine or choose, or but we choose, and God watches in suspense, not knowing, and leaving it up to chance since it can go this way or that way" these are NOT false accusations, these are the actual things implied in what you are saying, and you come and fight me instead of a devil like drfazl and other promoters of falsehood and evil. You are always on the wrong side of the fence, why don't you humble yourself and come to the side of right?
You won't be able to, save as Allah wills. You can not even will it, except as Allah wills it.
Allah has placed you on the wrong side of goodness, because you say that Allah does not choose and determine, because you think it is unjust or evil to say that Allah is the determiner and cause of evil. In your hope for piety, you become a blasphemer and performer of shirk.
Is there ANY shirk in the statement that ALLAH ALONE IS THE POWER WHICH DETERMINES AND CONTROLS EVERYTHING ABSOLUTELY, THE SOLE CREATOR OF EVERY DETAIL OF WHICH THERE IS NO OTHER CREATOR? IS THERE ANY SHIRK IN THAT STATEMENT?
NO!
YET IS THERE SHIRK IN THE STATEMENT THAT "GOD DOES NOT CREATE EVERYTHING ABSOLUTELY, ONLY SOME THINGS, HUMANS CHOOSE WHAT GOD CREATES OR WHAT WILL HAPPEN NEXT IN THEIR EXPERIENCE AND CHANCE DETERMINES SINCE IT CAN GO ANY WAY BASED ON VARIOUS PRE-CALCULATED PATHS WHICH GOD HAS NO IDEA WHAT WILL BE CHOSEN"
Do you understand? I'm trying to help you.
Again, mere accusations those too things that i have never believed nor have i ever said and those too without any proof or warrant, complete vindictiveness, keep up your attempts of arrogant posts without knowledge, God will bring out what you fear.
Shall i seek other than God as a guide when He (no gender implied) revealed the Quran fully detailed?
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Again, mere accusations those too things that i have never believed nor have i ever said and those too without any proof or warrant, complete vindictiveness, keep up your attempts of arrogant posts without knowledge, God will bring out what you fear.
Shall i seek other than God as a guide when He (no gender implied) revealed the Quran fully detailed?
Dude, do you not understand those are not "mere accusations", they are what your statements imply. Explain yourself then if you're claiming it false. I explained already that when you say "God doesn't determine, we determine" those are the implications.
You're the one lying by saying you are not saying that. Go look at your posts, you've clearly made these implications. If you are saying what I am saying, then you're right, if you are saying anything else, then you are wrong and saying the other thing.
It is pretty simple. Stop denying like a chicken and then explain your beliefs as not meaning that "it can go this way or that way". You can't just explain it then? You keep saying these are accusations out of nowhere? You are the one saying that I'm wrong and Satanic, and then you're denying that you're saying something different than me?
Explain yourself already. You claim you don't believe those things I've said are the implications of what you are saying. I agree, you probably haven't thought it through to realize those are the implications involved with what you are saying, and instead believe some other stupid thing.
So go ahead and explain to everyone here your beliefs, and then I'll tell you the implications they logically induce or mean, and then if you have any guts and brains you'll admit that oh yeah those are the implications.
Just like I admit that the implications of what I am saying are that God controls every single rape that occurs (calamitous as they are, and how they are experienced, and the thoughts and actions related to them too, as those are all "created" information, and there is no other creator).
See? I'm not a coward like you. So man-up for once in your life, this is just an internet forum, and go ahead and explain yourself and how I can possibly be "wrong" and how your blasphemous garbage is actually "right" when it implies God doesn't know and God didn't determine it, and God leaves it to chance for humans to determine the paths and coordinates and thus which experiences occur.
Go ahead. Or maybe swallow that you've been a fool, and say "Allah alone is the Ultimate power, controller of everything absolutely, all experiences, good and evil, determiner of all livelihoods and what happens, and who dies and how and when and every detail, we have no power but are powerless before Allah, if Allah has saved us it is not due to any merit of our own, we own nothing, God gives us everything, Allah freely gives and freely takes away".
You either say that, or you're a shirki, so explain your shirk.
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@ DrGm, I hope that you're not following him (drfazl) blindly
Peace.
peace,
3.132 Obey Allah and the messenger; you will be rewarded mercy.
i see drfazl in this 3.132; he is the light bearer following quran, an example in front of my eyes. 3.132 i follow, so whoever follows 3.132 look close. my family, i tell them follow 3.132.
i meet drfazl to strengthen my belief in Allah alone, i have not read quran before i met him; the world around us and the knowledge whatever i have make difficult to live Allah alone. strengthening is unlearning the knowledge. he helps me unlearning; and shows how to use quran in day to day life. quran helps becoming human not scholar.
i see him guiding whoever comes to him to Allah and quran. whoever gets guidance towards the book, they understand how their problems solve. they come back to his meetings/clinic to strengthen their belief in Allah alone.
I doubt that the amount of believers (true ones) could reach thousands nowadays.
thousands in 700 millions, in their various stages of their journey towards Allah alone. true ones you said, they are ones who wish to live true. only God can certify the level of truthfulness.
Are you also a doctor?
i learnt acupuncture/acutouch practiced, taught and left when i understood it is not the system that heals but Allah.
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5.59 Say O People of the Book! Do you avenge us for aught else than that we believe in Allah and that which is revealed unto us and that which was revealed afore time, and because most of you are evil-livers?
Give one example like this from your Book, that directly contradicts 26/80. I am not angry with you; abusing you; not criticising you; no harsh words; no derogatory languages - rather I have the peace to ignore all these undignified outburst; Allah has given me peace and steadfastness and only increases me in my Iman.
If you and your company could see and compare the posts, you will know whom Allah has guided and whom Allah has sent astray.
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Do not get upset. People in Tamil Nado are no more idiot that anywhere else
49.11 O you who have believed, let not a people ridicule another people; perhaps they may be better than them; nor let women ridicule women; perhaps they may be better than them. And do not insult one another and do not call each other by offensive nicknames. Wretched is the name of disobedience after one's faith. And whoever does not repent - then it is those who are the wrongdoers.
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He is putting people at huge risk without any precautions and claiming it is in the name of Allah and the Qur'an, misleading the weak in knowledge and ignorant so that the infections are not combated and their bodies are harmed, he is a SHAITAN, an ENEMY, try to get it through your idiotic skulls you freaks!
I believe and follow Prophet Ibrahim, when Allah mentions about prophet Ibrahim whom Allah orders to say to his people, "It is Allah alone who cures me when I am ill." What freedomstands speaks about me with al the offensive names is that he indirectly indicts the prophet himself.
freedomstands will never speak on the ayat and contradict it; I am sure Allah will make him dumb when it comes to explaining Quran. If he has any integrity let him start discussing with me, with this one ayat 26.80, with decency by shedding his evil language and submitting to Allah if he has fear for Allah. Let the whole world see!
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I believe and follow Prophet Ibrahim, when Allah mentions about prophet Ibrahim whom Allah orders to say to his people, "It is Allah alone who cures me when I am ill." What freedomstands speaks about me with al the offensive names is that he indirectly indicts the prophet himself.
freedomstands will never speak on the ayat and contradict it; I am sure Allah will make him dumb when it comes to explaining Quran. If he has any integrity let him start discussing with me, with this one ayat 26.80, with decency by shedding his evil language and submitting to Allah if he has fear for Allah. Let the whole world see!
What is there to discuss? I say Allah created everything, you say Allah did not create everything, but the Jinn created some things and you call them "masters of fiery technologies". You urge people to not fight infections, and you should also discontinue eating food and drinking water to prove you do not need food to cure hunger or liquid to cure thirst.
I've explained repeatedly why you're a dangerous criminal, preying on the weak and the poor in knowledge.
You say that Allah did not create medical technologies, meaning that Allah did not create all things, but claim that some things are not from Allah. I explained in detail the problems with what you are saying, and you are urging people in a poverty stricken community to have their children killed by letting diseases spread, tuberculosis and whatever else, major infections and diseases.
You are a criminal, this is not "name calling", this is saying what you really are. A murderer.
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peace,
3.132 Obey Allah and the messenger; you will be rewarded mercy.
i see drfazl in this 3.132; he is the light bearer following quran, an example in front of my eyes. 3.132 i follow, so whoever follows 3.132 look close. my family, i tell them follow 3.132.
Wow.
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What is there to discuss?
Discuss if you have any knowledge on Quran; Allah shall not guide those who call besides Allah. If you stop using filthy words from your mouth, Allah may guide you; Come on discuss; or else I will teach you.
26.79 And it is He who feeds me and gives me drink.
26.80 And when I am ill, it is He who cures me.I do not find similarly an ayat
"It is He who created medicines, doctors and hospitals and they shall cure you."Do, you? medicines, doctors, hospitals worshiper?
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Discuss if you have any knowledge on Quran; Allah shall not guide those who call besides Allah. If you stop using filthy words from your mouth, Allah may guide you; Come on discuss; or else I will teach you.
26.79 And it is He who feeds me and gives me drink.
26.80 And when I am ill, it is He who cures me.I do not find similarly an ayat
"It is He who created medicines, doctors and hospitals and they shall cure you."Do, you? medicines, doctors, hospitals worshiper?
The Qur'an repeatedly says all things are created by Allah, even the bad things that are calamitous and evil. Not "some things" but "everything". Everything means Everything. Correct? Correct.
You are claiming that Allah did not create everything, only some things, and if there are things created or in existence which Allah did not will or bring about, then you are attributing other creators. The Qur'an says there are no other creators, nothing brings about anything except Allah alone, even the bad things.
So what will you teach me? You'll teach me shirk.
Your follower DrGm or whatever, is claiming that "fear kills" a person when they are afraid of a poison. So I highly recommend, if this is what you teach too, that you daily drink deadly poison and stop being a coward, and simply prove your assertions by showing that there is no need for medical intervention and that you can freely without a fuss or trickery ingest huge amounts of deadly poison without anything happening to you.
If you are not a coward, then I recommend also that you have your head severed from your body and prove that no medical intervention is required, and you can speak from your head disconnected from your body.
If you are able to do this, maybe then the whole world will believe what you claim, and certainly this should be easy for you to do, why are you afraid? Is it that you're a hypocrite?
Drink deadly poison regularly and have your head severed from your body to prove that there is some other creator besides Allah alone? That is what you promote when you say
"I do not find similarly an ayat"It is He who created medicines, doctors and hospitals and they shall cure you."Do, you? medicines, doctors, hospitals worshiper?"
You are thus claiming Allah did not create everything whatsoever and that there are things in existence which Allah did not create.
Go ahead, I await the video where you have your head severed from your body and it continues to speak to the people and teach them that Allah is not the sole creator of everything. Do you doubt that it can be done? Why would not such a magnificent thing be possible? Go ahead and show the world so that you can teach them all that Allah did not create all things absolutely.
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You should discontinue eating food and drinking water to prove you do not need food to cure hunger or liquid to cure thirst.
Which part of the world says hunger is a disease and thirst is a disease; and the food and water are medicines?
I've explained repeatedly why you're a dangerous criminal, preying on the weak and the poor in knowledge.
Repeated barking does not mean a thing; speak sensibly like a human being with some dignity and fear for Allah. For you is another ayat 4/148, which we will discuss later to make you know why you are a rejecter and an abominable one.
You are a criminal, this is not "name calling", this is saying what you really are. A murderer.
The hospitals are where the last rites are done before death. Every one should die in the hospitals under the merciful blades of the doctors and their poisons, the medicines. For you another ayat, which I do not mention now; but I will discuss sure, if only you are sane in your words and use of language, for Allah does not like the sound of an ass 31/19. I will discuss it with you again if you mend your behaviour.
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Discuss if you have any knowledge on Quran; Allah shall not guide those who call besides Allah. If you stop using filthy words from your mouth, Allah may guide you; Come on discuss; or else I will teach you.26.79 And it is He who feeds me and gives me drink.
26.80 And when I am ill, it is He who cures me.I do not find similarly an ayat
"It is He who created medicines, doctors and hospitals and they shall cure you."
"Call the doctors besides Me."
"Believe in the Medicines besides Me All Powerful."
"Enter the Hospitals, leave my Realm!"I do not find such verses in Quran!
Do, you? You - the medicines, doctors and hospitals worshiper, besides and beside Allah? -
The Qur'an repeatedly says all things are created by Allah, even the bad things that are calamitous and evil. Not "some things" but "everything". Everything means Everything. Correct? Correct.
Wrong! For Allah says, Good is what Allah has in store in abundance for you which He will create in just measure in accordance with each of your behaviour distinct from one another; and evil is what He creates for you in just measure to the extent of each of your unjustness.
Otherwise what you say is absolute invention and a lie.
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Which part of the world says hunger is a disease and thirst is a disease; and the food and water are medicines?
Repeated barking does not mean a thing; speak sensibly like a human being with some dignity and fear for Allah. For you is another ayat 4/148, which we will discuss later to make you know why you are a rejecter and an abominable one.
The hospitals are where the last rites are done before death. Every one should die in the hospitals under the merciful blades of the doctors and their poisons, the medicines. For you another ayat, which I do not mention now; but I will discuss sure, if only you are sane in your words and use of language, for Allah does not like the sound of an ass 31/19. I will discuss it with you again if you mend your behaviour.
first,
Discuss if you have any knowledge on Quran; Allah shall not guide those who call besides Allah. If you stop using filthy words from your mouth, Allah may guide you; Come on discuss; or else I will teach you.26.79 And it is He who feeds me and gives me drink.
26.80 And when I am ill, it is He who cures me.I do not find similarly an ayat
"It is He who created medicines, doctors and hospitals and they shall cure you."
"Call the doctors besides Me."
"Believe in the Medicines besides Me All Powerful."
"Enter the Hospitals, leave my Realm!"I do not find such verses in Quran!
Do, you? You - the medicines, doctors and hospitals worshiper, besides and beside Allah?You spoke of repeated barking. You are stating that Allah did not create all things, you are a blasphemer.
Remember my earlier posts? I explained all the points showing ayats too. You ignored them and mocked them, saying I am just posting so many ayats.
Do you remember that? When you said "Freedomstands, I appreciate your flooding the page with the ayats of Allah but to what purpose?"
Go back to those posts and look.
Here, I will get the links to them for you
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9604771.msg371947#msg371947
Calling you a Shaitan (Enemy), a Criminal, and a Murderer are not "Barking" or "name calling". Calling you a "snake" is not name calling either.
I am telling people what you are.
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You state that Allah did not create all things, that some things that are in existence are not brought about, determined, or created by Allah. Automatically that puts you in the category of a Shirk promoter by attributing some creation to others than Allah.
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You prey upon villagers and the ignorant and many others by telling them not to fight infections and diseases so letting the infectious bacteria and whatever else grow and spread and harm their bodies, mutilation, killing of children and the elderly, and more. This makes you a criminal and a murderer.
Do you see? It isn't a "filthy mouth" you simply are these things for real. Because you lead people to harm and promote shirk vehemently, you are a "Shaitan" an enemy to the people, and a friend to disease in this case. You yourself, and your beliefs, are a disease too.
Do you claim my saying that Allah alone is the creator of everything is a diseased statement? Then you're no different from the Shaitan's of the past.
People are calling you "messenger" and things like that, and hundreds of people look up to you and you are leading them to hurt and promoting shirk to them, this makes you a major devil. Do you understand? Remember in the Qur'an the scenes with the leaders and the followers? If you're in any of those scenes, you're one of the leaders.
You are called snake because you contain poison and poisonous beliefs and seductively spread them to people, whereas I bluntly and blatantly say Allah alone is the ultimate, there is no seductive snake business with what I am saying, and anyone can insult me for my methods, but you behave like how people in the past used to say "that is a snake".
That is why a name for you can be drsnake. It isn't falsely insulting you, you really are these things, you are a bad person, a villain. Who knows how many people have been hurt because of you so far? You are a major sinner, and your whole basis is shirk, as I've explained.
Now read this, and try to understand it. Don't worry, you won't be able to. You will just blurt out and repeat your inane questions, and in the end we'll see who is right
Is FreedomStands who says Allah alone is the creator of everything right or is drfazl who says Allah does not create everything right?
We shall see.
Now go back and read, and focus on what I wrote to you.
If you say anything that diverts from what I am saying in the slightest, you are simply a blasphemer.
I say that Allah alone is Ultimate, the Ultimate created everything whatsoever that exists, that does not mean everything is necessarily good. You claim that there are other creators because Allah did not create some things, such as medical technologies. This is where you perform shirk.
I have given you a way out even, to instead say that Allah indeed created everything whatsoever, but that Allah created medical technologies, and that they are bad. This is then not shirk, and we can then deal on the fact of you denying the help of Allah and whatever else, but at least it is not shirk.
Do you understand the distinction being made?
You'll still be a killer and a promoter of disease and infection by telling people not to fight disease and infection, you'll still be a criminal and a snake and whatever else, but at least you will not be performing shirk on top of it all.
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Quote from drfazl on Today at 111123 AM
I believe and follow Prophet Ibrahim, when Allah mentions about prophet Ibrahim whom Allah orders to say to his people, "It is Allah alone who cures me when I am ill." What freedomstands speaks about me with al the offensive names is that he indirectly indicts the prophet himself.freedomstands will never speak on the ayat and contradict it; I am sure Allah will make him dumb when it comes to explaining Quran. If he has any integrity let him start discussing with me, with this one ayat 26.80, with decency by shedding his evil language and submitting to Allah if he has fear for Allah. Let the whole world see!
What is there to discuss?
What is there to discuss?
To discuss that I am standing by the stance of Ibrahim... while you are not.Are you ready?
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All good comes from Allah 4/79; all evil is from your own devisings 4/78. Allah does not drive you to evil but He enjoins good works. Allah forbids evil while you bid evil. This is Quran.
All is from God, the good from Allah, the evil from yourselves, ALL is from God, not SOME, ALL. 478.
It is exactly people like you that it is talking about in 478.
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freedomstands will never speak on the ayat and contradict it; I am sure Allah will make him dumb when it comes to explaining Quran. If he has any integrity let him start discussing with me, with this one ayat 26.80, with decency by shedding his evil language and submitting to Allah if he has fear for Allah. Let the whole world see!
What is there to discuss?
What is there to discuss?
To discuss that I am standing by the stance of Ibrahim... while you are not.Are you ready?
Actually, I am standing by the stance of Ibrahim, you are not. You claim there are other creators besides Allah, I claim that Allah alone created everything "you and all that you make" "you and all your handiwork".
By saying that Allah did not create all things, you are doing shirk, the opposite of what Ibrahim's religion was, you are saying Allah is not the creator of everything, only some things, while there are other creators, such as those who created medical technologies, which Allah did not create according to you.
So I am standing by the stance of Ibrahim, you are standing by the stance of shirk.