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    FreedomStands
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    Money colored snake, did you look at this post http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9604771.msg373332#msg373332 or were your eyes occupied on the money you have robbed the people of for "religious talking and prayers".

    You have business to attend to, such as denying the truth of what I wrote and the absolute power of Allah alone.

    Of course you preach exactly what you do, like a baby, you turn your mouth away from the medicine being given to you by me.

    Won't you swallow it drfuzool? You incessantly deny that Allah is the creator of all things whatsoever in the heavens and the Earth, "you and all your handiwork" "you and what you make". You deny it all repeatedly. Now you ignore it too, and fail to read it. Is it you who makes you unable to understand or is it Allah who makes you unable to understand? Is it you who makes you ignore it, or Allah? Is it you who chooses that you should be a defrauder of the poor, or has Allah cursed you to be a wicked thief and deceiver who spreads the lie that "Allah did not create all things, for example, Allah did not create medical technologies, but there are other creators besides Allah".

    You are asking that I humble myself to the statement that "Allah is not the determiner of all things, Allah is not the Ultimate, Allah is not the chooser, Allah is not the maker of everything absolutely"

    I am asking you to humble yourself to the statement "Allah is the absolute, the Ultimate, the creator of all things whatsoever, the chooser of all things, the determiner of all things, not leaving things to other powers or actors such as men, jinn or "Chance" which do not create or choose or determine or cause anything at all, but Allah alone is the power that does all."

    Humble yourself, or die in a state of shirk. Do you think this warning is from me? All is from Allah, your resistance to the truth is from Allah, and my telling you the truth is from Allah, All is from Allah.

    Allah is so merciful to even tell you these things, just like Pharoah was told things, he too said that he chooses and he determines, and he too was one who harmed the people.

    drfiron, will you conform to the truth that Allah is the Ultimate, or will you continue to say that Allah did not create all things?

    You are being offered a simple way out of all this, that is to conform, but it is a show of Allah's power to see that you can't, and a show of Allah's power if you do manage to humble yourself before the truth. Whatever you do, it is the will of Allah, you have no choice in the matter in what you will or choose, that is Allah choosing it for you and willing you to will what you will, and it may be that Allah is leading you to utter destruction (same goes for me).

    Understand? Do you think this is just an online joke and I'm just some "random" crazy person? No, this is a big thing being proven here, a big thing is being witnessed here, this is no small joke.

    Conform for your own sake or die in shirk. The choice? It is Allah's.

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      The foremost sinner is one who says Allah creates all evil in man's heart; all evildoings; and Allah misleads deliberately; and it is His Will - a very perverse misunderstanding and spread of disinformation to which God has cast him! Such is the knowledge from Quran, of the foremost sinner.

      If I am sinning by saying Allah is the Ultimate, the creator of everything, the chooser of everything, the determiner of everything, there is no power but Allah, who is the power of and behind all things driving all things and is in charge of all things absolutely, and such statements are evil and "God has cast him" as in me, to it, then is it not, according to your statement, God misleading me "deliberately" or is it "indeliberate" and "caused by me" as if I am the driver of God and the cause, the determiner, the chooser?

      I think the answer to that question is you just made a mistake in your sentence, and what you meant to say instead was "to which God cast him, accidentally, by Chance, or not at all, as God does not cast anything, but we are the casters".

      It is so frustrating and annoying that I have to wait for you to burn in hell and watch your face roasted off repeatedly. It is Allah who makes me wait, not you.

      When you are dead and gone, drfazl, perhaps the poverty stricken people of the Tamilnadu will be free from their oppressor who robbed them of 2000USD each for "prayers".

      Will you die holding on to your statement that Allah is not the determiner, that Allah is not the power over everything, the decider, the cause, the doer, the will, the chooser, the maker of everything, you and what you make no matter what? The driver of you and the choices you take?

      Will you die like that drfazl? Death is at hand always, it is right around the corner, though it may seem to you a long time away, you have no way to hold on to your "time".

      Do you die fearlessly? Having robbed the poor for "prayers" you utter, charging them 2000USD for "prayers" you utter. Do you die fearlessly and stand before Judgment and say "You do not create or control everything, but there are other creators and determiners, you did not decide all matters or control what happens, but it was left to "Chance" and other powers besides you". Is that what you will say? When you might be asked "You charged an enormous sum of people for prayers which you uttered, in what sense of right did you do this?" will you say "I did not rob those who were sick and in need" and the reply may come "We know best what you did, and from who you stole". What an honor, truly, if you were even to be spoken to by Allah, a filthy criminal degenerate disease spreader and robber such as yourself. You should be honored too, if Allah casts you into the fire with all the wealth you acquired for "praying" for people.

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        Speak Only Kind Words And Beware of the Demons

        17.53 Tell My bondmen to speak that which is kindlier. Lo! the devil sows dissensions among them. Lo! the devil is for man an open foe.

        If we search through some 20 pages from 52 to 75 pages here you will not find a single page not infected by a devil speaking not only the harshest but filthiest words possible. He is the open foe to the entire mankind. This will further aggravate him but what is to be said is to be said for he shall not defy 17.53 thereby disobeying the entire Quran and Allah.

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          Here are some more "harsh words" for you, from what you might be calling "The Devil"

          1090
          "And We took across (the) Children (of) Israel - the sea, and followed them Firaun and his hosts (in) rebellion and enmity, until when overtook him the drowning, he said, "I believe that (there is) no god except the One, in Whom believe the Children of Israel, and I am of the Muslims."
          1091
          "Now? -when ever before this thou hast been rebelling , and hast been among those who spread corruption?

          There is no kindness to a robber of the poor. Aren't thieves the ones who get their hands cut off?

          4829
          Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and those who are with him are fierce to the kafirun, merciful to one another. You see them bowing and prostrating, seeking Allah?s good favour and His pleasure. Their mark is on their faces, the traces of prostration. That is their likeness in the Torah. And their likeness in the Injil is that of a seed which puts up a shoot and makes it strong so that it thickens and grows up straight upon its stalk, filling the sowers with delight ? so that by them He may infuriate the kuffar. Allah has promised those of them who have iman and do right actions forgiveness and an immense reward.

          38 ?Our Lord, do not make our hearts swerve aside after You have guided us. And give us mercy from You. You are the Ever-Giving.
          39 Our Lord, You are the Gatherer of mankind to a Day of which there is no doubt. Allah will not break His promise.?
          310 As for those who are kafir, their wealth and children will not help them against Allah in any way. They are fuel for the Fire,
          311 as was the case with the people of Pharaoh and those before them. They denied Our Signs so Allah seized them for their wrong actions. Allah is fierce in retribution.
          312 Say to those who are kafir ?You will be overwhelmed and crowded into Hell. What an evil resting-place!?

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            Speak Only Kind Words And Beware of the Demons

            17.53 Tell My bondmen to speak that which is kindlier. Lo! the devil sows dissensions among them. Lo! the devil is for man an open foe.

            If we search through some 20 pages from 52 to 75 pages here you will not find a single page not infected by a devil speaking not only the harshest but filthiest words possible. He is the open foe to the entire mankind. This will further aggravate him but what is to be said is to be said for he shall not defy 17.53 thereby disobeying the entire Quran and Allah.

            It is "filthy" and the "filthiest words possible" to quote the Qur'an, speak against injustice such as the robbery of the poor for 2000USD each for "prayers", and to say Allah alone is the Ultimate of which there is no other power whatsoever, nor any other creator, who makes us and what we make and everything?

            Is the "open foe to the entire mankind" one who invites to Eternal Truth of Allah by saying "worship Allah, who controls everything whatsoever, you are at the complete mercy of Allah and Allah's will always, surrendered completely willingly or unwillingly, knowingly or unknowingly" or the one who says "Allah is not the determiner or creator of all things nor the cause of everything, and do not fight infection or diseases, but allow them to spread in your body, and pay me "alms" of 2000USD to "pray" regarding you".

            Which is the "open foe to the entire mankind" in your estimation?

            Is one who says "The decision is with Allah always in all matters, Allah creates and chooses what Allah wills, no choice have they, there is no determiner or power other than Allah alone, the Absolute, the Ultimate" one who "disobeys the entire Qur'an and Allah"?

            Is that so? Curious indeed!

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              Judgement is with Allah and the reckoning is His; and these two are not with the demons; whoever says I have the judgement above Allah, then he becomes an accomplice of shaitan.

              Those who were with Muhammad, followed their avowed messenger leader whom Allah had endowed with the decree as He willed. So those who were with him followed in avenging the people. But here the demon is with Iblis, who commands him to act by his decree? It is now evident that most times satans too would recite from Quran; 48.29 and continues to recite; and this indeed is an instance.

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                The satan's words "Surrender completely willingly or unwillingly, knowingly or unknowingly"

                All other creations from heaven to earth are asked to surrender to the will of Allah willingly or unwillingly; but this order from shaitan asks mankind to surrender with the same order, which is not Quran and it is not Allah's command that a man shall surrender unwillingly, but willingly knowing and understanding the Creator and Fearing Him. Demons can utter Quran but those who are given the wisdom of the Book shall point out the flaws to the people and warn them that satan too shall utter the ayats of Quran.

                Now it is open challenge to the demon, to show the ayat that says Allah will accept a man as of His Bondmen if he is forced to surrender, when he is unwilling. The postings are full of vomitus of the abominable, sick demon.

                10.100 He lays abomination upon those who have no understanding.

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                  The satan's words "Surrender completely willingly or unwillingly, knowingly or unknowingly"

                  All other creations from heaven to earth are asked to surrender to the will of Allah willingly or unwillingly; but this order from shaitan asks mankind to surrender with the same order, which is not Quran and it is not Allah's command that a man shall surrender unwillingly, but willingly knowing the Creator and Fearing Him. Demons can utter Quran but those who are given the wisdom of the Book shall point out the flaws to the people and warn them that satan to shall utter the ayats of Quran.

                  Now it is open challenge to the demon, to show the ayat that says Allah will accept a man as of His Bondmen if he is forced to surrender, when he is unwilling. The postings are full of vomitus of the sick demon.

                  You said these are Satan's words "The satan's words "Surrender completely willingly or unwillingly, knowingly or unknowingly""

                  If you correctly quote me "you are at the complete mercy of Allah and Allah's will always, surrendered completely willingly or unwillingly, knowingly or unknowingly"

                  but you are a deceiver, so of course you tried yet again to mislead the people by quoting incorrectly, and even so, you called it "Satan's words" so behold, who you call "Satan's words"

                  383
                  Seek they other than the religion of Allah, when unto Him surrenders whosoever is in the heavens and the earth, willingly or unwillingly, and unto Him they will be returned.

                  476
                  Those who believe do battle for the cause of Allah; and those who disbelieve do battle for the cause of false powers. So fight the minions of the devil. Lo! the devil's strategy is ever weak.

                  I say Allah is the only power, all are surrendered to Allah willingly or unwillingly. You falsely wrote about what I said in order to deceive people, and also suggest something like "No, it is not so" to what I am saying. Thus you are in the wrong, as usual because you battle for the cause of "false powers" which you claim "created, while Allah did not create what they created or all things, but Allah created some things, and they created some things which Allah did not create or control or determine".

                  So who is right?

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                    USD 2000 is even expensive for the middle class earners. And you take such from the poor (who barely have the basics never mind the excess!) who themselves are deserving of the charity!? Whether your method works or not - I can't comment on it anyway as I have no proof. But as far as what you charge as "charity" from the deserving of the same in the first place, You do a grave injustice.

                    when i was treating patients 10 years ago in my small town with acutouch i started charging 2 dollars. some of the rich and the middle used to tell me 2 dollars is more how come the poor afford, actually those who ask want to pay less or they need it free. actually they are comparing the modern medicine its machinery and their big buildings with my small clinic and no machinery. they came to my clinic knowing the fees is less and the cure is effected.

                    whereas those who they mentioned cannot afford were happy with the cure which they didn't get from modern medicine. they didn't look the fees but look the cure that they didn't get for years. they say we were happy and brought more patients never complained about fees even later when i increase it to 10 dollars after some years. you have to keep in mind these are people who came after many years suffering from useless treatment by allopathy. patients of all diseases came thronging. be it there.

                    now drfazl in the capital (with huge gathering of patients in front of his clinic, his appointment is just 2 minutes with a patient for one treatment for any kind of disease you mention, how long the patient suffered be, the patient need to return back only if he has a problem further. questions were cleared by pamphlets and those who got cured already who bring the patients. many were jealous, they asked, he taught, his class only for three days) he left this acupuncture treatment just because he feared Allah when people made shirk of him for cure. many called him insane just because he left the amount of money he earned not just because he said the cure is caused by Allah.

                    he started teaching quran alone. after three years of his earnest teachings (people arranged meetings and called him to talk about God) of quran alone. for telling quran alone the amount of abuse he got from the muslims you will never know, Allah protecting from all adversary. and later knowing he was a doctor people approached him to give them treatment/healing. he started praying for them. when they healed they brought more patients slowly. but he asked them first to attend the meetings (which is free) understand what is been told then if they need, they can come for healing.

                    please remember here they are patients from all walks of life suffered for many years with diseases and treatments spent quite a fortune. you have to keep in mind here a natural birth in a hospital cost you some were around 1000 - 1200 dollars. you can calculate for caesarian section and other operations here (Tamilnadu is now a medical destination). pregnant women who come to him for prayer getting delivery in their home. now many started calling him from ICU.

                    they are not mere starters in a disease. they are patients who suffered in mind as well as physical and also money from modern medicine. not just an usual clinic you see anywhere. people who have faith only in God (how many of you have faith only in God) and only after attending his meetings has to come to clinic after understanding what he is doing or they will be turned away. because even now people come here as if some miracle is happening. few occasions i saw him saying the patients who he feels not satisfied in their faith to take their fees back from the office and come back after they believe in God. even if they are reluctant to get it back he insist them to take back though he has prayed for them. some came back with confident. now he sits with the patient and their relatives for nearly an hour. his clinic timing is only 3 hours in the early hours for four days a week.

                    when the patients say i don't have enough money i have already spent in hospitals, he accepted whatever they paid and insisted them to pay him the rest when they are filled with Allah's bounty (no followup for fees). his prayer is sure based on 9.103. you have to see him only in the light of quran he fears Allah than anybody else.

                    he is not behind money if that is the case he need not leave acupuncture. if you see his website without knowing this (he left acupuncture treatment 15 years back) you can see many asking him to give acupuncture treatment now. i believe the fees he asks only to insist people to spend for the right cause instead of saving which is against quran. drfazl's charity is not shown to public, only with the hearts of believers, i have met some (i write this because someone asked a question). Allah's Grace on him, you all? took it for curse. may Allah give us good thought.

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                      3.83 So is it other than the religion of Allah they desire, while to Him have submitted all those within the heavens and earth, willingly or by compulsion, and to Him they will be returned?

                      This verse does not speak about man but about every other created things in the heavens and the earth and everything in between. If it is indicating man too, then this ayat shall contradict 2/256; then to the men of ill understanding, Allah admonishes they shall not open their mouths until the Quran is completed on them 20/114. But the demons will not heed; yet they cannot get anywhere near Quran 56/79.

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                        10.100 He lays abomination upon those who have no understanding.

                        Agreed. Now we can also agree that it is an abomination to rob the sick and poor people of Tamilnadu of 2000USD for saying "prayers". Did you see "Allah lays abomination", there is Allah laying abomination, doing what he wills and chooses, and so we see your abominable act of robbing the sick and poor who come to you pleading and in desperation and you rob them of 2000USD solemnly and for "prayers".

                        Who is the abominable one?

                        I ask no fee whatsoever for telling people Allah is the Ultimate, there is no power but Allah, Allah created all things, Allah even "lays abomination" as you proved with the quote you selected there.

                        You ask a fee of an enormous sum of a poverty and disease stricken people of 2000USD and then "pray" and say to them "Allah is not the power or creator of everything, but medicines are not the creation of Allah, but there are other creators, and Allah did not make their handiwork." Your own quote that follows you these days under all your posts begins with something like "Quran reading is useless", which it apparently is for you, since you do not do as you say (which you also mentioned earlier), and do not "decisively stick to righteousness" since you ask for a fee of "alms" of an enormous sum of 2000USD from people for "prayers" and "religious teaching", making you a decisively unrighteous criminal thief, and your "religious teaching" is that "Allah is not the creator of everything absolutely, but some things, such as medicines and evil, are not created by Allah or determined by Allah, but there are other creators and determiners besides Allah, you should not fight disease, since not all the means by which you might fight disease are really from Allah, but are from Jinn or other sources besides Allah who created them while Allah did not create everything, the Jinn created things, and God is not responsible for all creation" even though the Qur'an says Allah makes everyone and what they make too, that they can not even make a fly or control anything in the least, and many more things which I showed you which you apparently ignored.

                        I'm offering you clear reasoning, so what do you have to say for yourself except "I am very sorry, I will change my ways, I will stop robbing the poor, thinking that I won't survive without stealing 2000USD from people for "prayers" and not trusting that Allah will provide for me in a better manner than my robbing the poor and the sick and the needy in exchange for "prayers", and I will stop the printing of all my lies and deceptions, and I will run from the people who took me to be a messenger and a saint and a spokesperson of good, and I will cease all my shirk and say that Allah alone is the Ultimate power, creator of all things absolutely, and the only chooser and decider, there is no power but Allah, I surrender, and I repent, asking Allah to forgive me, I have been a wicked person, and I only ask that in my advanced age that I can be MADE by Allah to amend my conduct and finally act righteously in my life".

                        Will you do it? Doubtful that you will. It would take a blessing from Allah to grant you the humility to do what I've suggested to you. You will very likely fail in this regard, and this will all become a mockery of you later perhaps, rather then a miraculous moment of sudden change and repentance, where our enmity is instantly ended as well and you become my brother instead of my enemy.

                        I am not supposed to be nice to you until you do right and you are of the army of evil for as long as you say "Allah is not the creator of everything, I will continue to take 2000USD or ANY SUM WHATSOEVER from people for "prayers" or "religious teaching".

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                          3.83 So is it other than the religion of Allah they desire, while to Him have submitted all those within the heavens and earth, willingly or by compulsion, and to Him they will be returned?

                          This verse does not speak about man but about every other created things in the heavens and the earth and everything in between. If it is indicating man too, then this ayat shall contradict 2/256; then to the men of ill understanding, Allah admonishes they shall not open their mouths until the Quran is completed on them 20/114. But the demons will not heed; yet they cannot get anywhere near Quran 56/79.

                          So you are saying "all those" does not include "man", and man is also apparently not "withing heavens and earth" but somehow apart from it and not included in "all" and when Allah says "all" it doesn't really mean "all" it means "some" like in the case of "All is from God", it really means "some is from God, some is from other sources" and when the Qur'an says "Allah created ALL" it means "Allah created SOME, Jinn and Man created other things which Allah did not create" and when the Qur'an says "Allah created YOU AND WHATEVER YOU MAKE/YOUR HANDIWORK/ALL THAT YOU DO" it means "Allah created you, but only some things, and not really what you make, or your handiwork, or what you do".

                          This is your interpretation then?

                          All doesn't mean All but means "Some" and "Creator of Everything, They create nothing" means "Creator of some things, they create some things which Allah does not create"?

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                            when i was treating patients 10 years ago in my small town with acutouch i started charging 2 dollars. some of the rich and the middle used to tell me 2 dollars is more how come the poor afford, actually those who ask want to pay less or they need it free. actually they are comparing the modern medicine its machinery and their big buildings with my small clinic and no machinery. they came to my clinic knowing the fees is less and the cure is effected.

                            whereas those who they mentioned cannot afford were happy with the cure which they didn't get from modern medicine. they didn't look the fees but look the cure that they didn't get for years. they say we were happy and brought more patients never complained about fees even later when i increase it to 10 dollars after some years. you have to keep in mind these are people who came after many years suffering from useless treatment by allopathy. patients of all diseases came thronging. be it there.

                            now drfazl in the capital (with huge gathering of patients in front of his clinic, his appointment is just 2 minutes with a patient for one treatment for any kind of disease you mention, how long the patient suffered be, the patient need to return back only if he has a problem further. questions were cleared by pamphlets and those who got cured already who bring the patients. many were jealous, they asked, he taught, his class only for three days) he left this acupuncture treatment just because he feared Allah when people made shirk of him for cure. many called him insane just because he left the amount of money he earned not just because he said the cure is caused by Allah.

                            he started teaching quran alone. after three years of his earnest teachings (people arranged meetings and called him to talk about God) of quran alone. for telling quran alone the amount of abuse he got from the muslims you will never know, Allah protecting from all adversary. and later knowing he was a doctor people approached him to give them treatment/healing. he started praying for them. when they healed they brought more patients slowly. but he asked them first to attend the meetings (which is free) understand what is been told then if they need, they can come for healing.

                            please remember here they are patients from all walks of life suffered for many years with diseases and treatments spent quite a fortune. you have to keep in mind here a natural birth in a hospital cost you some were around 1000 - 1200 dollars. you can calculate for caesarian section and other operations here (Tamilnadu is now a medical destination). pregnant women who come to him for prayer getting delivery in their home. now many started calling him from ICU.

                            they are not mere starters in a disease. they are patients who suffered in mind as well as physical and also money from modern medicine. not just an usual clinic you see anywhere. people who have faith only in God (how many of you have faith only in God) and only after attending his meetings has to come to clinic after understanding what he is doing or they will be turned away. because even now people come here as if some miracle is happening. few occasions i saw him saying the patients who he feels not satisfied in their faith to take their fees back from the office and come back after they believe in God. even if they are reluctant to get it back he insist them to take back though he has prayed for them. some came back with confident. now he sits with the patient and their relatives for nearly an hour. his clinic timing is only 3 hours in the early hours for four days a week.

                            when the patients say i don't have enough money i have already spent in hospitals, he accepted whatever they paid and insisted them to pay him the rest when they are filled with Allah's bounty (no followup for fees). his prayer is sure based on 9.103. you have to see him only in the light of quran he fears Allah than anybody else.

                            he is not behind money if that is the case he need not leave acupuncture. if you see his website without knowing this (he left acupuncture treatment 15 years back) you can see many asking him to give acupuncture treatment now. i believe the fees he asks only to insist people to spend for the right cause instead of saving which is against quran. drfazl's charity is not shown to public, only with the hearts of believers, i have met some (i write this because someone asked a question). Allah's Grace on him, you all? took it for curse. may Allah give us good thought.

                            Where is your trust in Allah to provide you, that you support the asking of 2000USD from people or ANY PAYMENT WHATSOEVER for "prayers" and religious teaching?

                            This is a grave sin, and those who support it are also among the sinners, so flee from the support of drfazl if you know what is best and can do it.

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                              when i was treating patients 10 years ago in my small town with acutouch i started charging 2 dollars. some of the rich and the middle used to tell me 2 dollars is more how come the poor afford, actually those who ask want to pay less or they need it free. actually they are comparing the modern medicine its machinery and their big buildings with my small clinic and no machinery. they came to my clinic knowing the fees is less and the cure is effected.

                              whereas those who they mentioned cannot afford were happy with the cure which they didn't get from modern medicine. they didn't look the fees but look the cure that they didn't get for years. they say we were happy and brought more patients never complained about fees even later when i increase it to 10 dollars after some years. you have to keep in mind these are people who came after many years suffering from useless treatment by allopathy. patients of all diseases came thronging. be it there.

                              now drfazl in the capital (with huge gathering of patients in front of his clinic, his appointment is just 2 minutes with a patient for one treatment for any kind of disease you mention, how long the patient suffered be, the patient need to return back only if he has a problem further. questions were cleared by pamphlets and those who got cured already who bring the patients. many were jealous, they asked, he taught, his class only for three days) he left this acupuncture treatment just because he feared Allah when people made shirk of him for cure. many called him insane just because he left the amount of money he earned not just because he said the cure is caused by Allah.

                              he started teaching quran alone. after three years of his earnest teachings (people arranged meetings and called him to talk about God) of quran alone. for telling quran alone the amount of abuse he got from the muslims you will never know, Allah protecting from all adversary. and later knowing he was a doctor people approached him to give them treatment/healing. he started praying for them. when they healed they brought more patients slowly. but he asked them first to attend the meetings (which is free) understand what is been told then if they need, they can come for healing.

                              please remember here they are patients from all walks of life suffered for many years with diseases and treatments spent quite a fortune. you have to keep in mind here a natural birth in a hospital cost you some were around 1000 - 1200 dollars. you can calculate for caesarian section and other operations here (Tamilnadu is now a medical destination). pregnant women who come to him for prayer getting delivery in their home. now many started calling him from ICU.

                              they are not mere starters in a disease. they are patients who suffered in mind as well as physical and also money from modern medicine. not just an usual clinic you see anywhere. people who have faith only in God (how many of you have faith only in God) and only after attending his meetings has to come to clinic after understanding what he is doing or they will be turned away. because even now people come here as if some miracle is happening. few occasions i saw him saying the patients who he feels not satisfied in their faith to take their fees back from the office and come back after they believe in God. even if they are reluctant to get it back he insist them to take back though he has prayed for them. some came back with confident. now he sits with the patient and their relatives for nearly an hour. his clinic timing is only 3 hours in the early hours for four days a week.

                              when the patients say i don't have enough money i have already spent in hospitals, he accepted whatever they paid and insisted them to pay him the rest when they are filled with Allah's bounty (no followup for fees). his prayer is sure based on 9.103. you have to see him only in the light of quran he fears Allah than anybody else.

                              he is not behind money if that is the case he need not leave acupuncture. if you see his website without knowing this (he left acupuncture treatment 15 years back) you can see many asking him to give acupuncture treatment now. i believe the fees he asks only to insist people to spend for the right cause instead of saving which is against quran. drfazl's charity is not shown to public, only with the hearts of believers, i have met some (i write this because someone asked a question). Allah's Grace on him, you all? took it for curse. may Allah give us good thought.

                              now drfazl in the capital (with huge gathering of patients in front of his clinic, his appointment is just 2 minutes with a patient

                              Wow, so the criminal only provides 2 minutes for 2000USD for "praying"?

                              You are truly an admirer of an evildoer if you support this criminality.

                              DrGm, you don't seem as evil as him, so stop supporting him, you must leave this madness and abide closely to what I am showing you and saying, otherwise you may be cast into the fire along with him as a "follower" and because he promotes shirk by saying "Allah did not create all things". Cease and desist, this isn't a game.

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                                If one looks into Quran Allah says spend, spend, and spend in the path of Allah; if you have a disease it is because there is a disease in the soul of your heart 2/10; and he increases the diseases in multiples form it because of the rejection of Allah and resorting to spend for the cure from the doctors whom they think can cure what Allah made them suffer. This is pure shirky heart; and Allah increases their diseases further and further until they become a bundle of diseases dying finally at the mercy of the doctors through 'Euthanesia', the final treatment of the advanced science. Here the demon favours this spending of the money, in the cause of the doctors.

                                Now Allah says, 9.103 it is pertinent to make the ill and afflicted to take to spending in Allah's way instead of doctors' ways, trying to outstrip the realm of Allah.

                                Demons cannot touch the Quran; I challenge again, is the demon ready for the discussion on 9/103?

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                                  So, the prayer can be sold?

                                  when the patients say i don't have enough money i have already spent in hospitals, he accepted whatever they paid and insisted them to pay him the rest when they are filled with Allah's bounty (no followup for fees). his prayer is sure based on 9.103. you have to see him only in the light of quran he fears Allah than anybody else.

                                  *facepalm

                                  Why not he insisted to them for not paying him?

                                  Or why he still concerned with "the rest (of the money)"?

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                                    I think, if you make the concoction of herbal tea and selling that product,

                                    then such job is much better and honorable than selling the prayers.

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                                      If one looks into Quran Allah says spend, spend, and spend in the path of Allah; if you have a disease it is because there is a disease in the soul of your heart 2/10; and he increases the diseases in multiples form it because of the rejection of Allah and resorting to spend for the cure from the doctors whom they think can cure what Allah made them suffer. This is pure shirky heart; and Allah increases their diseases further and further until they become a bundle of diseases dying finally at the mercy of the doctors through 'Euthanesia', the final treatment of the advanced science. Here the demon favours this spending of the money, in the cause of the doctors.

                                      Now Allah says, 9.103 it is pertinent to make the ill and afflicted to take to spending in Allah's way instead of doctors' ways, trying to outstrip the realm of Allah.

                                      Demons cannot touch the Quran; I challenge again, is the demon ready for the discussion on 9/103?

                                      "Spend spend spend" to "fill fill fill" the pockets of drfazl.

                                      The demon is ready!

                                      So it is "pure shirky heart" to say "Allah alone is the only power, creator of all things, do not defraud the poor, those who are sick, those who are in need, and ask no fee for "religious matters" or "praying" or spending "2 minutes" or anything like that, and do not say there are other creators besides Allah and that Allah has not created all things but only some things, and not all things surrender to Allah willingly or unwillingly but only some things, and some things Allah controls while other things Allah doesn't control and there are other determiners, choosers, and controllers".

                                      That is "pure shirky heart"?

                                      The demon of Allah is ready!

                                      Who will be a demon with me in the cause of Allah?

                                      Who will fight with me against the criminality of drfazl, who robs and defrauds the poor, takes 2000USD for "prayers" and the work of Allah? He does not "loan a good loan" but instead defrauds the people, taking money for "prayers" and teaches a disease stricken people "do not fight disease" and then says if they die "they did not have faith" because he is a Zalim and a sinner of extraordinary levels for all to witness.

                                      Will you all let me have all the honor in fighting injustice and reciting the praises of Allah against the shirk of the criminal who robs the poor and sick and need, even spending so little time with them after they have paid so much, and then says "Allah is not the creator of all things" in exchange for his enormous fee.

                                      So be it, if no other demons will stand up with me, the honor shall be mine in roasting this pig fattened with sin and the wealth of those crying out for relief.

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                                        I think, if you make the concoction of herbal tea and selling that product,

                                        then such job is much better and honorable than selling the prayers.

                                        Good, but not good enough. Remember how harsh you have been to me when I'm actually speaking righteousness. Now make yourself bolder and fight him vehemently as he deserves to be fought, because his sins are ENORMOUS.

                                        He robs the poor, the needy, the sick, the people who have no money whose economy is so bad and the wealth is so low there, and he takes from them in their time of need 2000USD in exchange for "2 minutes" or so for "2000USD" for "prayers" where ALLAH does the work, and he is taking the money, and then in exchange for that "teaches" them that "Allah is not the creator of everything" and to a disease stuck community says "do not fight disease" and if they die he says "they did not have sufficient faith in Allah, or else they would not have died" and opposes the statements that "Allah is the one who creates everything, the Ultimate, the chooser" and ignores the revelations.

                                        Do you think being gentle with him is allowed? Being gentle with him is a sin and a crime, you must FIGHT INJUSTICE, this is an opportunity to fight evil, Allah has set him up and the righteous might speak out against him at least.

                                        FIGHT HIM HARD. Turn all your hatred for injustice, the harming of the poor, and whatever else on him and FIGHT HIM WITH WORDS OF JUSTICE AND TRUTH.

                                        If you do not have the Hatred, you are not a good Muslim in your heart. If you dislike me instead, you are on the wrong path for sure.

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                                        And know that God?s Apostle is among you were he to comply with your inclinations in each and every case, you would be bound to come to harm . But as it is, God has caused faith to be dear to you, and has given it beauty in your hearts, and has made hateful to you all denial of the truth, and all iniquity, and all rebellion. Such indeed are they who follow the right course

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                                          Good, but not good enough. Remember how harsh you have been to me when I'm actually speaking righteousness. Now make yourself bolder and fight him vehemently as he deserves to be fought, because his sins are ENORMOUS.

                                          I think I shouldn't be too harsh toward the elderly.

                                          If you do not have the Hatred, you are not a good Muslim in your heart. If you dislike me instead, you are on the wrong path for sure.

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