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    drfazl
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    Judgement is with Allah and the reckoning is His; and these two are not with the demons; whoever says I have the judgement above Allah, then he becomes an accomplice of shaitan.

    Those who were with Muhammad, followed their avowed messenger leader whom Allah had endowed with the decree as He willed. So those who were with him followed in avenging the people. But here the demon is with Iblis, who commands him to act by his decree? It is now evident that most times satans too would recite from Quran; 48.29 and continues to recite; and this indeed is an instance.

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      The satan's words "Surrender completely willingly or unwillingly, knowingly or unknowingly"

      All other creations from heaven to earth are asked to surrender to the will of Allah willingly or unwillingly; but this order from shaitan asks mankind to surrender with the same order, which is not Quran and it is not Allah's command that a man shall surrender unwillingly, but willingly knowing and understanding the Creator and Fearing Him. Demons can utter Quran but those who are given the wisdom of the Book shall point out the flaws to the people and warn them that satan too shall utter the ayats of Quran.

      Now it is open challenge to the demon, to show the ayat that says Allah will accept a man as of His Bondmen if he is forced to surrender, when he is unwilling. The postings are full of vomitus of the abominable, sick demon.

      10.100 He lays abomination upon those who have no understanding.

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        The satan's words "Surrender completely willingly or unwillingly, knowingly or unknowingly"

        All other creations from heaven to earth are asked to surrender to the will of Allah willingly or unwillingly; but this order from shaitan asks mankind to surrender with the same order, which is not Quran and it is not Allah's command that a man shall surrender unwillingly, but willingly knowing the Creator and Fearing Him. Demons can utter Quran but those who are given the wisdom of the Book shall point out the flaws to the people and warn them that satan to shall utter the ayats of Quran.

        Now it is open challenge to the demon, to show the ayat that says Allah will accept a man as of His Bondmen if he is forced to surrender, when he is unwilling. The postings are full of vomitus of the sick demon.

        You said these are Satan's words "The satan's words "Surrender completely willingly or unwillingly, knowingly or unknowingly""

        If you correctly quote me "you are at the complete mercy of Allah and Allah's will always, surrendered completely willingly or unwillingly, knowingly or unknowingly"

        but you are a deceiver, so of course you tried yet again to mislead the people by quoting incorrectly, and even so, you called it "Satan's words" so behold, who you call "Satan's words"

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        Seek they other than the religion of Allah, when unto Him surrenders whosoever is in the heavens and the earth, willingly or unwillingly, and unto Him they will be returned.

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        Those who believe do battle for the cause of Allah; and those who disbelieve do battle for the cause of false powers. So fight the minions of the devil. Lo! the devil's strategy is ever weak.

        I say Allah is the only power, all are surrendered to Allah willingly or unwillingly. You falsely wrote about what I said in order to deceive people, and also suggest something like "No, it is not so" to what I am saying. Thus you are in the wrong, as usual because you battle for the cause of "false powers" which you claim "created, while Allah did not create what they created or all things, but Allah created some things, and they created some things which Allah did not create or control or determine".

        So who is right?

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          USD 2000 is even expensive for the middle class earners. And you take such from the poor (who barely have the basics never mind the excess!) who themselves are deserving of the charity!? Whether your method works or not - I can't comment on it anyway as I have no proof. But as far as what you charge as "charity" from the deserving of the same in the first place, You do a grave injustice.

          when i was treating patients 10 years ago in my small town with acutouch i started charging 2 dollars. some of the rich and the middle used to tell me 2 dollars is more how come the poor afford, actually those who ask want to pay less or they need it free. actually they are comparing the modern medicine its machinery and their big buildings with my small clinic and no machinery. they came to my clinic knowing the fees is less and the cure is effected.

          whereas those who they mentioned cannot afford were happy with the cure which they didn't get from modern medicine. they didn't look the fees but look the cure that they didn't get for years. they say we were happy and brought more patients never complained about fees even later when i increase it to 10 dollars after some years. you have to keep in mind these are people who came after many years suffering from useless treatment by allopathy. patients of all diseases came thronging. be it there.

          now drfazl in the capital (with huge gathering of patients in front of his clinic, his appointment is just 2 minutes with a patient for one treatment for any kind of disease you mention, how long the patient suffered be, the patient need to return back only if he has a problem further. questions were cleared by pamphlets and those who got cured already who bring the patients. many were jealous, they asked, he taught, his class only for three days) he left this acupuncture treatment just because he feared Allah when people made shirk of him for cure. many called him insane just because he left the amount of money he earned not just because he said the cure is caused by Allah.

          he started teaching quran alone. after three years of his earnest teachings (people arranged meetings and called him to talk about God) of quran alone. for telling quran alone the amount of abuse he got from the muslims you will never know, Allah protecting from all adversary. and later knowing he was a doctor people approached him to give them treatment/healing. he started praying for them. when they healed they brought more patients slowly. but he asked them first to attend the meetings (which is free) understand what is been told then if they need, they can come for healing.

          please remember here they are patients from all walks of life suffered for many years with diseases and treatments spent quite a fortune. you have to keep in mind here a natural birth in a hospital cost you some were around 1000 - 1200 dollars. you can calculate for caesarian section and other operations here (Tamilnadu is now a medical destination). pregnant women who come to him for prayer getting delivery in their home. now many started calling him from ICU.

          they are not mere starters in a disease. they are patients who suffered in mind as well as physical and also money from modern medicine. not just an usual clinic you see anywhere. people who have faith only in God (how many of you have faith only in God) and only after attending his meetings has to come to clinic after understanding what he is doing or they will be turned away. because even now people come here as if some miracle is happening. few occasions i saw him saying the patients who he feels not satisfied in their faith to take their fees back from the office and come back after they believe in God. even if they are reluctant to get it back he insist them to take back though he has prayed for them. some came back with confident. now he sits with the patient and their relatives for nearly an hour. his clinic timing is only 3 hours in the early hours for four days a week.

          when the patients say i don't have enough money i have already spent in hospitals, he accepted whatever they paid and insisted them to pay him the rest when they are filled with Allah's bounty (no followup for fees). his prayer is sure based on 9.103. you have to see him only in the light of quran he fears Allah than anybody else.

          he is not behind money if that is the case he need not leave acupuncture. if you see his website without knowing this (he left acupuncture treatment 15 years back) you can see many asking him to give acupuncture treatment now. i believe the fees he asks only to insist people to spend for the right cause instead of saving which is against quran. drfazl's charity is not shown to public, only with the hearts of believers, i have met some (i write this because someone asked a question). Allah's Grace on him, you all? took it for curse. may Allah give us good thought.

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            3.83 So is it other than the religion of Allah they desire, while to Him have submitted all those within the heavens and earth, willingly or by compulsion, and to Him they will be returned?

            This verse does not speak about man but about every other created things in the heavens and the earth and everything in between. If it is indicating man too, then this ayat shall contradict 2/256; then to the men of ill understanding, Allah admonishes they shall not open their mouths until the Quran is completed on them 20/114. But the demons will not heed; yet they cannot get anywhere near Quran 56/79.

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              10.100 He lays abomination upon those who have no understanding.

              Agreed. Now we can also agree that it is an abomination to rob the sick and poor people of Tamilnadu of 2000USD for saying "prayers". Did you see "Allah lays abomination", there is Allah laying abomination, doing what he wills and chooses, and so we see your abominable act of robbing the sick and poor who come to you pleading and in desperation and you rob them of 2000USD solemnly and for "prayers".

              Who is the abominable one?

              I ask no fee whatsoever for telling people Allah is the Ultimate, there is no power but Allah, Allah created all things, Allah even "lays abomination" as you proved with the quote you selected there.

              You ask a fee of an enormous sum of a poverty and disease stricken people of 2000USD and then "pray" and say to them "Allah is not the power or creator of everything, but medicines are not the creation of Allah, but there are other creators, and Allah did not make their handiwork." Your own quote that follows you these days under all your posts begins with something like "Quran reading is useless", which it apparently is for you, since you do not do as you say (which you also mentioned earlier), and do not "decisively stick to righteousness" since you ask for a fee of "alms" of an enormous sum of 2000USD from people for "prayers" and "religious teaching", making you a decisively unrighteous criminal thief, and your "religious teaching" is that "Allah is not the creator of everything absolutely, but some things, such as medicines and evil, are not created by Allah or determined by Allah, but there are other creators and determiners besides Allah, you should not fight disease, since not all the means by which you might fight disease are really from Allah, but are from Jinn or other sources besides Allah who created them while Allah did not create everything, the Jinn created things, and God is not responsible for all creation" even though the Qur'an says Allah makes everyone and what they make too, that they can not even make a fly or control anything in the least, and many more things which I showed you which you apparently ignored.

              I'm offering you clear reasoning, so what do you have to say for yourself except "I am very sorry, I will change my ways, I will stop robbing the poor, thinking that I won't survive without stealing 2000USD from people for "prayers" and not trusting that Allah will provide for me in a better manner than my robbing the poor and the sick and the needy in exchange for "prayers", and I will stop the printing of all my lies and deceptions, and I will run from the people who took me to be a messenger and a saint and a spokesperson of good, and I will cease all my shirk and say that Allah alone is the Ultimate power, creator of all things absolutely, and the only chooser and decider, there is no power but Allah, I surrender, and I repent, asking Allah to forgive me, I have been a wicked person, and I only ask that in my advanced age that I can be MADE by Allah to amend my conduct and finally act righteously in my life".

              Will you do it? Doubtful that you will. It would take a blessing from Allah to grant you the humility to do what I've suggested to you. You will very likely fail in this regard, and this will all become a mockery of you later perhaps, rather then a miraculous moment of sudden change and repentance, where our enmity is instantly ended as well and you become my brother instead of my enemy.

              I am not supposed to be nice to you until you do right and you are of the army of evil for as long as you say "Allah is not the creator of everything, I will continue to take 2000USD or ANY SUM WHATSOEVER from people for "prayers" or "religious teaching".

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                3.83 So is it other than the religion of Allah they desire, while to Him have submitted all those within the heavens and earth, willingly or by compulsion, and to Him they will be returned?

                This verse does not speak about man but about every other created things in the heavens and the earth and everything in between. If it is indicating man too, then this ayat shall contradict 2/256; then to the men of ill understanding, Allah admonishes they shall not open their mouths until the Quran is completed on them 20/114. But the demons will not heed; yet they cannot get anywhere near Quran 56/79.

                So you are saying "all those" does not include "man", and man is also apparently not "withing heavens and earth" but somehow apart from it and not included in "all" and when Allah says "all" it doesn't really mean "all" it means "some" like in the case of "All is from God", it really means "some is from God, some is from other sources" and when the Qur'an says "Allah created ALL" it means "Allah created SOME, Jinn and Man created other things which Allah did not create" and when the Qur'an says "Allah created YOU AND WHATEVER YOU MAKE/YOUR HANDIWORK/ALL THAT YOU DO" it means "Allah created you, but only some things, and not really what you make, or your handiwork, or what you do".

                This is your interpretation then?

                All doesn't mean All but means "Some" and "Creator of Everything, They create nothing" means "Creator of some things, they create some things which Allah does not create"?

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                  when i was treating patients 10 years ago in my small town with acutouch i started charging 2 dollars. some of the rich and the middle used to tell me 2 dollars is more how come the poor afford, actually those who ask want to pay less or they need it free. actually they are comparing the modern medicine its machinery and their big buildings with my small clinic and no machinery. they came to my clinic knowing the fees is less and the cure is effected.

                  whereas those who they mentioned cannot afford were happy with the cure which they didn't get from modern medicine. they didn't look the fees but look the cure that they didn't get for years. they say we were happy and brought more patients never complained about fees even later when i increase it to 10 dollars after some years. you have to keep in mind these are people who came after many years suffering from useless treatment by allopathy. patients of all diseases came thronging. be it there.

                  now drfazl in the capital (with huge gathering of patients in front of his clinic, his appointment is just 2 minutes with a patient for one treatment for any kind of disease you mention, how long the patient suffered be, the patient need to return back only if he has a problem further. questions were cleared by pamphlets and those who got cured already who bring the patients. many were jealous, they asked, he taught, his class only for three days) he left this acupuncture treatment just because he feared Allah when people made shirk of him for cure. many called him insane just because he left the amount of money he earned not just because he said the cure is caused by Allah.

                  he started teaching quran alone. after three years of his earnest teachings (people arranged meetings and called him to talk about God) of quran alone. for telling quran alone the amount of abuse he got from the muslims you will never know, Allah protecting from all adversary. and later knowing he was a doctor people approached him to give them treatment/healing. he started praying for them. when they healed they brought more patients slowly. but he asked them first to attend the meetings (which is free) understand what is been told then if they need, they can come for healing.

                  please remember here they are patients from all walks of life suffered for many years with diseases and treatments spent quite a fortune. you have to keep in mind here a natural birth in a hospital cost you some were around 1000 - 1200 dollars. you can calculate for caesarian section and other operations here (Tamilnadu is now a medical destination). pregnant women who come to him for prayer getting delivery in their home. now many started calling him from ICU.

                  they are not mere starters in a disease. they are patients who suffered in mind as well as physical and also money from modern medicine. not just an usual clinic you see anywhere. people who have faith only in God (how many of you have faith only in God) and only after attending his meetings has to come to clinic after understanding what he is doing or they will be turned away. because even now people come here as if some miracle is happening. few occasions i saw him saying the patients who he feels not satisfied in their faith to take their fees back from the office and come back after they believe in God. even if they are reluctant to get it back he insist them to take back though he has prayed for them. some came back with confident. now he sits with the patient and their relatives for nearly an hour. his clinic timing is only 3 hours in the early hours for four days a week.

                  when the patients say i don't have enough money i have already spent in hospitals, he accepted whatever they paid and insisted them to pay him the rest when they are filled with Allah's bounty (no followup for fees). his prayer is sure based on 9.103. you have to see him only in the light of quran he fears Allah than anybody else.

                  he is not behind money if that is the case he need not leave acupuncture. if you see his website without knowing this (he left acupuncture treatment 15 years back) you can see many asking him to give acupuncture treatment now. i believe the fees he asks only to insist people to spend for the right cause instead of saving which is against quran. drfazl's charity is not shown to public, only with the hearts of believers, i have met some (i write this because someone asked a question). Allah's Grace on him, you all? took it for curse. may Allah give us good thought.

                  Where is your trust in Allah to provide you, that you support the asking of 2000USD from people or ANY PAYMENT WHATSOEVER for "prayers" and religious teaching?

                  This is a grave sin, and those who support it are also among the sinners, so flee from the support of drfazl if you know what is best and can do it.

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                    when i was treating patients 10 years ago in my small town with acutouch i started charging 2 dollars. some of the rich and the middle used to tell me 2 dollars is more how come the poor afford, actually those who ask want to pay less or they need it free. actually they are comparing the modern medicine its machinery and their big buildings with my small clinic and no machinery. they came to my clinic knowing the fees is less and the cure is effected.

                    whereas those who they mentioned cannot afford were happy with the cure which they didn't get from modern medicine. they didn't look the fees but look the cure that they didn't get for years. they say we were happy and brought more patients never complained about fees even later when i increase it to 10 dollars after some years. you have to keep in mind these are people who came after many years suffering from useless treatment by allopathy. patients of all diseases came thronging. be it there.

                    now drfazl in the capital (with huge gathering of patients in front of his clinic, his appointment is just 2 minutes with a patient for one treatment for any kind of disease you mention, how long the patient suffered be, the patient need to return back only if he has a problem further. questions were cleared by pamphlets and those who got cured already who bring the patients. many were jealous, they asked, he taught, his class only for three days) he left this acupuncture treatment just because he feared Allah when people made shirk of him for cure. many called him insane just because he left the amount of money he earned not just because he said the cure is caused by Allah.

                    he started teaching quran alone. after three years of his earnest teachings (people arranged meetings and called him to talk about God) of quran alone. for telling quran alone the amount of abuse he got from the muslims you will never know, Allah protecting from all adversary. and later knowing he was a doctor people approached him to give them treatment/healing. he started praying for them. when they healed they brought more patients slowly. but he asked them first to attend the meetings (which is free) understand what is been told then if they need, they can come for healing.

                    please remember here they are patients from all walks of life suffered for many years with diseases and treatments spent quite a fortune. you have to keep in mind here a natural birth in a hospital cost you some were around 1000 - 1200 dollars. you can calculate for caesarian section and other operations here (Tamilnadu is now a medical destination). pregnant women who come to him for prayer getting delivery in their home. now many started calling him from ICU.

                    they are not mere starters in a disease. they are patients who suffered in mind as well as physical and also money from modern medicine. not just an usual clinic you see anywhere. people who have faith only in God (how many of you have faith only in God) and only after attending his meetings has to come to clinic after understanding what he is doing or they will be turned away. because even now people come here as if some miracle is happening. few occasions i saw him saying the patients who he feels not satisfied in their faith to take their fees back from the office and come back after they believe in God. even if they are reluctant to get it back he insist them to take back though he has prayed for them. some came back with confident. now he sits with the patient and their relatives for nearly an hour. his clinic timing is only 3 hours in the early hours for four days a week.

                    when the patients say i don't have enough money i have already spent in hospitals, he accepted whatever they paid and insisted them to pay him the rest when they are filled with Allah's bounty (no followup for fees). his prayer is sure based on 9.103. you have to see him only in the light of quran he fears Allah than anybody else.

                    he is not behind money if that is the case he need not leave acupuncture. if you see his website without knowing this (he left acupuncture treatment 15 years back) you can see many asking him to give acupuncture treatment now. i believe the fees he asks only to insist people to spend for the right cause instead of saving which is against quran. drfazl's charity is not shown to public, only with the hearts of believers, i have met some (i write this because someone asked a question). Allah's Grace on him, you all? took it for curse. may Allah give us good thought.

                    now drfazl in the capital (with huge gathering of patients in front of his clinic, his appointment is just 2 minutes with a patient

                    Wow, so the criminal only provides 2 minutes for 2000USD for "praying"?

                    You are truly an admirer of an evildoer if you support this criminality.

                    DrGm, you don't seem as evil as him, so stop supporting him, you must leave this madness and abide closely to what I am showing you and saying, otherwise you may be cast into the fire along with him as a "follower" and because he promotes shirk by saying "Allah did not create all things". Cease and desist, this isn't a game.

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                      If one looks into Quran Allah says spend, spend, and spend in the path of Allah; if you have a disease it is because there is a disease in the soul of your heart 2/10; and he increases the diseases in multiples form it because of the rejection of Allah and resorting to spend for the cure from the doctors whom they think can cure what Allah made them suffer. This is pure shirky heart; and Allah increases their diseases further and further until they become a bundle of diseases dying finally at the mercy of the doctors through 'Euthanesia', the final treatment of the advanced science. Here the demon favours this spending of the money, in the cause of the doctors.

                      Now Allah says, 9.103 it is pertinent to make the ill and afflicted to take to spending in Allah's way instead of doctors' ways, trying to outstrip the realm of Allah.

                      Demons cannot touch the Quran; I challenge again, is the demon ready for the discussion on 9/103?

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                        So, the prayer can be sold?

                        when the patients say i don't have enough money i have already spent in hospitals, he accepted whatever they paid and insisted them to pay him the rest when they are filled with Allah's bounty (no followup for fees). his prayer is sure based on 9.103. you have to see him only in the light of quran he fears Allah than anybody else.

                        *facepalm

                        Why not he insisted to them for not paying him?

                        Or why he still concerned with "the rest (of the money)"?

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                          I think, if you make the concoction of herbal tea and selling that product,

                          then such job is much better and honorable than selling the prayers.

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                            If one looks into Quran Allah says spend, spend, and spend in the path of Allah; if you have a disease it is because there is a disease in the soul of your heart 2/10; and he increases the diseases in multiples form it because of the rejection of Allah and resorting to spend for the cure from the doctors whom they think can cure what Allah made them suffer. This is pure shirky heart; and Allah increases their diseases further and further until they become a bundle of diseases dying finally at the mercy of the doctors through 'Euthanesia', the final treatment of the advanced science. Here the demon favours this spending of the money, in the cause of the doctors.

                            Now Allah says, 9.103 it is pertinent to make the ill and afflicted to take to spending in Allah's way instead of doctors' ways, trying to outstrip the realm of Allah.

                            Demons cannot touch the Quran; I challenge again, is the demon ready for the discussion on 9/103?

                            "Spend spend spend" to "fill fill fill" the pockets of drfazl.

                            The demon is ready!

                            So it is "pure shirky heart" to say "Allah alone is the only power, creator of all things, do not defraud the poor, those who are sick, those who are in need, and ask no fee for "religious matters" or "praying" or spending "2 minutes" or anything like that, and do not say there are other creators besides Allah and that Allah has not created all things but only some things, and not all things surrender to Allah willingly or unwillingly but only some things, and some things Allah controls while other things Allah doesn't control and there are other determiners, choosers, and controllers".

                            That is "pure shirky heart"?

                            The demon of Allah is ready!

                            Who will be a demon with me in the cause of Allah?

                            Who will fight with me against the criminality of drfazl, who robs and defrauds the poor, takes 2000USD for "prayers" and the work of Allah? He does not "loan a good loan" but instead defrauds the people, taking money for "prayers" and teaches a disease stricken people "do not fight disease" and then says if they die "they did not have faith" because he is a Zalim and a sinner of extraordinary levels for all to witness.

                            Will you all let me have all the honor in fighting injustice and reciting the praises of Allah against the shirk of the criminal who robs the poor and sick and need, even spending so little time with them after they have paid so much, and then says "Allah is not the creator of all things" in exchange for his enormous fee.

                            So be it, if no other demons will stand up with me, the honor shall be mine in roasting this pig fattened with sin and the wealth of those crying out for relief.

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                              I think, if you make the concoction of herbal tea and selling that product,

                              then such job is much better and honorable than selling the prayers.

                              Good, but not good enough. Remember how harsh you have been to me when I'm actually speaking righteousness. Now make yourself bolder and fight him vehemently as he deserves to be fought, because his sins are ENORMOUS.

                              He robs the poor, the needy, the sick, the people who have no money whose economy is so bad and the wealth is so low there, and he takes from them in their time of need 2000USD in exchange for "2 minutes" or so for "2000USD" for "prayers" where ALLAH does the work, and he is taking the money, and then in exchange for that "teaches" them that "Allah is not the creator of everything" and to a disease stuck community says "do not fight disease" and if they die he says "they did not have sufficient faith in Allah, or else they would not have died" and opposes the statements that "Allah is the one who creates everything, the Ultimate, the chooser" and ignores the revelations.

                              Do you think being gentle with him is allowed? Being gentle with him is a sin and a crime, you must FIGHT INJUSTICE, this is an opportunity to fight evil, Allah has set him up and the righteous might speak out against him at least.

                              FIGHT HIM HARD. Turn all your hatred for injustice, the harming of the poor, and whatever else on him and FIGHT HIM WITH WORDS OF JUSTICE AND TRUTH.

                              If you do not have the Hatred, you are not a good Muslim in your heart. If you dislike me instead, you are on the wrong path for sure.

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                              And know that God?s Apostle is among you were he to comply with your inclinations in each and every case, you would be bound to come to harm . But as it is, God has caused faith to be dear to you, and has given it beauty in your hearts, and has made hateful to you all denial of the truth, and all iniquity, and all rebellion. Such indeed are they who follow the right course

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                                Good, but not good enough. Remember how harsh you have been to me when I'm actually speaking righteousness. Now make yourself bolder and fight him vehemently as he deserves to be fought, because his sins are ENORMOUS.

                                I think I shouldn't be too harsh toward the elderly.

                                If you do not have the Hatred, you are not a good Muslim in your heart. If you dislike me instead, you are on the wrong path for sure.

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                                  Where is your trust in Allah to provide you, that you support the asking of 2000USD from people or ANY PAYMENT WHATSOEVER for "prayers" and religious teaching?

                                  This is a grave sin, and those who support it are also among the sinners, so flee from the support of drfazl if you know what is best and can do it.

                                  can you support me with quran for the above. moreover you have not read the answers by drfazl to AW (reply 743). it clears your question.

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                                    I think I shouldn't be too harsh toward the elderly.

                                    elektro

                                    Pharoah was an old man too.

                                    This guy is really bad, he is taking advantage of poor sick people in the name of Allah spreading shirk and disease simultaneously for an enormous fee.

                                    I feel bad that he is an old man too a little bit, but when one brings to mind what this old snake is doing to this day, these are not past crimes but current crimes, it is like a snake, albeit an old snake, devouring children to this day, the old fat snake filled with the wealth of the poor needs to be stopped.

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                                      can you support me with quran for the above. moreover you have not read the answers by drfazl to AW (reply 743). it clears your question.

                                      Have you read all that I've written to drfazl recently? You can't deny what he is doing, and you can't deny the Qur'an. By "can't" I mean you shouldn't, but clearly you are denying both and ignoring it.

                                      This is no joke man, what he is doing is criminal. Someone should call the cops and have him charged with fraud for what he is doing.

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                                        Wow, so the criminal only provides 2 minutes for 2000USD for "praying"?

                                        You are truly an admirer of an evildoer if you support this criminality.

                                        DrGm, you don't seem as evil as him, so stop supporting him, you must leave this madness and abide closely to what I am showing you and saying, otherwise you may be cast into the fire along with him as a "follower" and because he promotes shirk by saying "Allah did not create all things". Cease and desist, this isn't a game.

                                        now anyone can understand your jealous. this jealous brings you haste and it shows how you read. you are accusing based on assuming. when my postings say drfazl was doing acupuncture and his time with the patient is 2 mins then. you have assumed below your nose and started accusing. that was not prayer healing. have patience, think for a while what you are doing.

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                                          now anyone can understand your jealous. this jealous brings you haste and it shows how you read. you are accusing based on assuming. when my postings say drfazl was doing acupuncture and his time with the patient is 2 mins then. you have assumed below your nose and started accusing. that was not prayer healing. have patience, think for a while what you are doing.

                                          I promise you I am not jealous. I will tell you why I'm not jealous. To me it is dreadful to do what he is doing and say what he is saying. When a person is jealous typically, by definition, they WANT what the other has. I would RUN HEADLONG from his lifestyle, because to me it is CERTAIN DOOM to accept money for prayers. The doom for that is tremendous as far as I believe, it is not a joke at all. I am not at all covetous of his lifestyle. To acquire money in this way, for religious teaching and prayer, is a huge sin in my view. I refused even to accept money to be the friends of people and to give them counsel and did not like the idea of psychology because how can you take money for just sitting with people and listening to them and being their friend? I do that for free.

                                          No, this man is a sinner, and I do not desire what he does or what he has, because that to me would be desiring hell-fire.

                                          I don't know if Allah will throw him in hell or not, but in my view he is worthy of hell for sure and because I seriously believe that, I would NEVER want to do what he is doing. I am genuinely afraid of asking for money for such things. I don't think it is wrong to work at labor for money, but I do believe it is very wrong to take money for "prayers" or religious teaching. I think people should get their money in some other way and then do religious teaching for free, except what he teaches religiously is also sin and shirk, so he is bad all around.

                                          This is no joke, you shouldn't be ok with what he is doing either, it is not ok.

                                          It would be a little less bad seeming if he asked no fee and did everything for free, never accepting money from people at all.

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