If "Only Allah", then "Allah Alone" is our watchword
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Pharoah was an old man too.
This guy is really bad, he is taking advantage of poor sick people in the name of Allah spreading shirk and disease simultaneously for an enormous fee.
I feel bad that he is an old man too a little bit, but when one brings to mind what this old snake is doing to this day, these are not past crimes but current crimes, it is like a snake, albeit an old snake, devouring children to this day, the old fat snake filled with the wealth of the poor needs to be stopped.
Pharaoh?
Maybe your accusation toward dr fazl is exaggerated? I don't think that he can be equated with pharaoh.
Honestly, I might gladly let (or even maybe support) drfazl to keep doing his practice - praying for healing - if he is doing it for free for any good* people, either they're poor or rich.
*yes, good people, not bad/evil people, because I don't mind if evil people like rapists are dead because of illness
And IF, drfazl is living in poverty, then I think it is okay if he receives charity/alms from other people, but the charity given to him is because he's poor, not because of the prayers he did for them.
But people who are not living in poverty should not receive alms, in my opinion.
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So, the prayer can be sold?
*facepalm
Why not he insisted to them for not paying him?
Or why he still concerned with "the rest (of the money)"?
what is that *facepalm. i do not understand.
did you read my post fully. that which brought your attention is only the payment part. think for a while no need to tell me. why your attention went only into that? there was other things which you have not come across in your life probably. no bad intention pls.
did i say he is concerned with the rest of the money? drfazl insists that they fear Allah, so he do not keep account of it. also he do not know whether the patient is lying that they have not enough money. if at all they pay they pay only to fulfill their word. like many here who want to get cure by prayers but wish need not pay for their cure; there are many in Tamilnadu also.
do you really think you can sell prayers? everyone pray here, can anyone show a sign of healing? and can you sell it? will anyone believe? all questions you have no answers. this is a sign from Allah to His servant. will you then understand?
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So, the prayer can be sold?
*facepalm
Why not he insisted to them for not paying him?
Or why he still concerned with "the rest (of the money)"?
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9604771.msg373363#msg373363
This would be SO funny if it were not for actual human victims involved! That is what makes such a ridiculous thing so tragic and horrible that there is a person doing this to living human beings.
Living, but for how long?!
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Pharaoh?
Maybe your accusation toward dr fazl is exaggerated? I don't think that he can be equated with pharaoh.
Honestly, I might gladly let (or even maybe support) drfazl to keep doing his practice - praying for healing - if he is doing it for free for any good* people, either they're poor or rich.
*yes, good people, not bad/evil people, because I don't mind if evil people like rapists are dead because of illness
And IF, drfazl is living in poverty, then I think it is okay if he receives charity/alms from other people, but the charity given to him is because he's poor, not because of the prayers he did for them.
But people who are not living in poverty should not receive alms, in my opinion.
drfazl may be worse than Pharoah, though Pharoah was an evildoer who killed people, drfazl tells people to allow disease to spread and robs them while doing it, indirectly killing them by promoting the spread of disease while taking huge sums of money for "praying". A person who receives 2000USD per sessions and has a big following of people is not in poverty for long!
Pharoah did not say to his people "allow disease to spread among yourself", and before he died Pharoah admitted to God, though it was too late.
drfazl on the other hand, is denying that Allah is the creator of all things, which is shirk, he is using this shirk as his excuse to tell a poverty and sickness struck people "therefor do not fight disease" and may be genuinely leading to much damage and death in the populace that listens to him and refuses medical help out of feeling that it is "shirk" based on what he claims "Allah did not create everything, for example, Allah did not create medical technologies or medicines, so you should not fight disease or else you are performing shirk" and misleading people.
So don't be on the wrong side of the fence (as usual!). Do not support him at all, even if it were for free and not charging an enormous sum, he is still performing shirk by denying that Allah is the creator of everything absolutely, and he is still harming the populace by saying to them "do not fight disease". This is not someone to support unless you want to be counted among the unjust.
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what is that *facepalm. i do not understand.
did you read my post fully. that which brought your attention is only the payment part. think for a while no need to tell me. why your attention went only into that? there was other things which you have not come across in your life probably. no bad intention pls.
did i say he is concerned with the rest of the money? drfazl insists that they fear Allah, so he do not keep account of it. also he do not know whether the patient is lying that they have not enough money. if at all they pay they pay only to fulfill their word. like many here who want to get cure by prayers but wish need not pay for their cure; there are many in Tamilnadu also.
do you really think you can sell prayers? everyone pray here, can anyone show a sign of healing? and can you sell it? will anyone believe? all questions you have no answers. this is a sign from Allah to His servant. will you then understand?
Just so you know, *facepalm means "putting my palm to my face" or "putting my face into my palm", like "sigh! I give up! this is ridiculous!" and things like that. The * symbol signifies an action being taken, such as catches drfazl by his snake tail and bashes him against every wall for robbing the poor the sound is percussive, like money clattering
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I think, if you make the concoction of herbal tea and selling that product,
then such job is much better and honorable than selling the prayers.
you are equating prayers of a God alone servant to selling a tea? and then lowering the prayer.
61.10 - O! ye who believe, shall i inform you to a business that will save you from painful disgrace?
prayer healing is a business with God alone.
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you are equating prayers of a God alone servant to selling a tea? and then lowering the prayer.
61.10 - O! ye who believe, shall i inform you to a business that will save you from painful disgrace?
lol, do you not understand that he has no right to "sell prayers" whatsoever? If Allah is doing the work, what does he deserve any money for? Is the idea that "Allah does not listen to the people, but listens to drfazl because of some special quality of drfazl which the people lack"? This is like the "saint worship" then, making drfazl an intercessor with God "he will intercede on my behalf, drfazl's prayers are heard when I pay him 2000USD, whereas when I pray, my prayers are not heard, so I will pay drfazl to pray for me so that he intercedes with Allah on my behalf".
Do you understand what you are saying and doing?
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Any visitors can start reading from here!
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9604771.msg373323#msg373323
Join the battle against an evildoer who is selling lies and deception to the people for a high price of 2000USD.
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lol, do you not understand that he has no right to "sell prayers" whatsoever? If Allah is doing the work, what does he deserve any money for? Is the idea that "Allah does not listen to the people, but listens to drfazl because of some special quality of drfazl which the people lack"? This is like the "saint worship" then, making drfazl an intercessor with God "he will intercede on my behalf, drfazl's prayers are heard when I pay him 2000USD, whereas when I pray, my prayers are not heard, so I will pay drfazl to pray for me so that he intercedes with Allah on my behalf".
Do you understand what you are saying and doing?
do you understand my post and do you ponder your above sayings? do you?
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So, is it your fish in colours who creates your things in you or you are a creator yourself or things create themselves by themselves?
You make too much theater with so much shock but in fact you are not bringing up any solid explanation for the questions that have been raised.
Getting shocked and acting horrified is no substitute for explanations nor for making sense.
Who creats evil? or is it uncreated? Or evil exist by itself since ever? Or did Iblees create by himself?
Another show of shockedness might not be felt as sufficient answer by those who indeed want to have an answer along the line you seem to believe is the correct one.
Salaam
Great post! He seems to ignore most things brought up to him. Maybe he will manage to ignore the feeling of his flesh burned off repeatedly in hell fire if he ends up there.
"Why would I end up there?"
Well, Allah can do whatever Allah wills, but you have also charged the poor, sick, and needy 2000USD to "pray" on their behalf as a "intercessor" with God, you have stated shirk by saying "Allah did not create everything", you have supported the spread of disease among the sickness struck people of the Tamilnadu region by saying "do not fight disease" and your explanation is shirk "because Allah has not created the means by which diseases are typically fought, such as antibiotics, but jinn have created it or other creators besides Allah have created these things" despite the Qur'an even saying "you and all you make" were created by Allah, and even if the Qur'an had not said that, that is simply the logical case that whatever is Ultimate refers to what is Ultimately responsible for everything absolutely.
Your crimes are many, besides being a zalim and an ingrate, who says "I refuse the help of Allah, and what FreedomStands is saying" and zalim because of suggesting "they died or suffered because they had no faith in Allah, they sought treatment to fight disease because they are performers of shirk instead of coming to me and paying 2000USD for a prayer" and other things, such as fighting against me when I am trying to make you a good man for once in your life.
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do you understand my post and do you ponder your above sayings? do you?
Yes, actually. I am reading and re-reading all my posts and yours. I do pay attention to what you are saying very carefully, but I don't think you actually care or pay any attention to what I am saying at all. You are just defending this person, the way people defend their cult leaders who have taken wealth from them often and they say "we must pay, I wanted to pay and I am happy that I paid" and whatever, you can read about how these things work and the more people invest the more they justify it and defend their stupidity and mistakes.
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This is the kind of stuff
https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ja0Hs7Ryth0
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https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPbstGMt4Fw
At 37 minutes you say "I was a fraud and I was a killer until 1986" haha, I think that might be when you became a fraud and a killer for real, it was also the year I was born to come and tell you to become a proper Muslim.
Now you charge money for prayers, say that Allah is not the creator of everything absolutely, and tell people to not fight against disease and its spread, making you a fraud and a killer for real.
You should, even as a shirk promoting thief, at least find time to perform some exercise for health purposes, or is that a bad idea and "shirk"? Shall I pay you 2000USD to intercede with Allah and pray for my physical fitness while doing no exercise? I don't know, I might end up looking like a fat snake if I were to do that!
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what is that *facepalm. i do not understand.
I am sorry, please ignore it.
did you read my post fully. that which brought your attention is only the payment part.
Because I think that ("payment" is strong evidence to know the error of drfazl's practice.
Don't you understand?
did i say he is concerned with the rest of the money?
If he doesn't have concern (doesn't care) about it, then he should tell them not to pay again - something like that, right?
do you really think you can sell prayers?
I think we should not sell prayer/s.
Hope that is clear enough for you.
If you pray for someone else, then I suggest to drfazl & his team
do not take any fee for that - whatever you named it (the fee).Is this so hard for you to understand @ DrGm, or you deliberately playing dumb here?
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when i was treating patients 10 years ago in my small town with acutouch i started charging 2 dollars. some of the rich and the middle used to tell me 2 dollars is more how come the poor afford, actually those who ask want to pay less or they need it free. actually they are comparing the modern medicine its machinery and their big buildings with my small clinic and no machinery. they came to my clinic knowing the fees is less and the cure is effected.
whereas those who they mentioned cannot afford were happy with the cure which they didn't get from modern medicine. they didn't look the fees but look the cure that they didn't get for years. they say we were happy and brought more patients never complained about fees even later when i increase it to 10 dollars after some years. you have to keep in mind these are people who came after many years suffering from useless treatment by allopathy. patients of all diseases came thronging. be it there.
now drfazl in the capital (with huge gathering of patients in front of his clinic, his appointment is just 2 minutes with a patient for one treatment for any kind of disease you mention, how long the patient suffered be, the patient need to return back only if he has a problem further. questions were cleared by pamphlets and those who got cured already who bring the patients. many were jealous, they asked, he taught, his class only for three days) he left this acupuncture treatment just because he feared Allah when people made shirk of him for cure. many called him insane just because he left the amount of money he earned not just because he said the cure is caused by Allah.
he started teaching quran alone. after three years of his earnest teachings (people arranged meetings and called him to talk about God) of quran alone. for telling quran alone the amount of abuse he got from the muslims you will never know, Allah protecting from all adversary. and later knowing he was a doctor people approached him to give them treatment/healing. he started praying for them. when they healed they brought more patients slowly. but he asked them first to attend the meetings (which is free) understand what is been told then if they need, they can come for healing.
please remember here they are patients from all walks of life suffered for many years with diseases and treatments spent quite a fortune. you have to keep in mind here a natural birth in a hospital cost you some were around 1000 - 1200 dollars. you can calculate for caesarian section and other operations here (Tamilnadu is now a medical destination). pregnant women who come to him for prayer getting delivery in their home. now many started calling him from ICU.
they are not mere starters in a disease. they are patients who suffered in mind as well as physical and also money from modern medicine. not just an usual clinic you see anywhere. people who have faith only in God (how many of you have faith only in God) and only after attending his meetings has to come to clinic after understanding what he is doing or they will be turned away. because even now people come here as if some miracle is happening. few occasions i saw him saying the patients who he feels not satisfied in their faith to take their fees back from the office and come back after they believe in God. even if they are reluctant to get it back he insist them to take back though he has prayed for them. some came back with confident. now he sits with the patient and their relatives for nearly an hour. his clinic timing is only 3 hours in the early hours for four days a week.
when the patients say i don't have enough money i have already spent in hospitals, he accepted whatever they paid and insisted them to pay him the rest when they are filled with Allah's bounty (no followup for fees). his prayer is sure based on 9.103. you have to see him only in the light of quran he fears Allah than anybody else.
he is not behind money if that is the case he need not leave acupuncture. if you see his website without knowing this (he left acupuncture treatment 15 years back) you can see many asking him to give acupuncture treatment now. i believe the fees he asks only to insist people to spend for the right cause instead of saving which is against quran. drfazl's charity is not shown to public, only with the hearts of believers, i have met some (i write this because someone asked a question). Allah's Grace on him, you all? took it for curse. may Allah give us good thought.
Salaam brother,
I have a question.
Do those patients who were already cured will return to him again for any other illnesses?May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
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Salaam brother,
I have a question.
Do those patients who were already cured will return to him again for any other illnesses?May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
mmKhan"With the help of the intercession of drfazl"
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I am sorry, please ignore it.
Because I think that ("payment" is strong evidence to know the error of drfazl's practice.
Don't you understand?
If he doesn't have concern (doesn't care) about it, then he should tell them not to pay again - something like that, right?
I think we should not sell prayer/s.
Hope that is clear enough for you.
If you pray for someone else, then I suggest to drfazl & his team
do not take any fee for that - whatever you named it (the fee).Is this so hard for you to understand @ DrGm, or you deliberately playing dumb here?
Hehe cool!
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Salaam brother,
I have a question.
Do those patients who were already cured will return to him again for any other illnesses?May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
mmKhanpeace mmkhan,
it is prayer healing, the patients need to know what is it. the first thought of anyone who hears it is they compare with the christian prayer healing. but it is not. may be i don't know a correct word in english. so the patient's are taught what is God? what is disease? why we get disease? how it gets cured?
these questions are normally cleared when some one attend the meetings which are free to public. many who come to the meetings to hear the teachings do not even meet drfazl and when i discuss with them they are leading a life without any medicines even paying a single penny to drfazl. drfazl do not know them, but they know drfazl.
only who want to meet drfazl privately come to his clinic, they pay for witnessing the sign of healing. what he teach in the meeting is free when they come to him privately for the same they are paying. even though he is doctor, now he has only quran and God with him. so, God brings him patients. if a patient returns to him it is only to strengthen his belief in God? many people are ready to pay even their entire wealth (patients tell this) to modern medicine to see a cure, but they didn't find a cure for any disease, they only lost their organs. but when they come to drfazl they want it free because it is only a prayer for them like many here. after seeing this for a long time he was guided by 9.103 only this time he in the public meeting announced his fees is 2000USD to motivate them to spend. the same time he announced in freeminds also. people here started to think as usual he must have huge wealth milking by prayer for so many years and so many patients. their jealous fires their belly so they can't comprehend. because they have not met a single servant of God who is truthful to God. there was a hue and cry here too but after seeing what is happening they understood.
drfazl teaches quran the way he lives. whoever comes to the meeting regularly you can see them they removed their religious identities be a muslim, or a christian or a hindu or an atheist. they wish to become humans instead of religious divisions. hindus takes quran, christians takes quran, atheist takes quran and muslims takes quran to read in their native language first time to understand. many with their families turning towards Allah against all accusations more than what you see in this forum. it is a peaceful renaissance shielded from the disbelievers eyes (yet they call themselves believers as in the aforesaid periods) by Allah. unless you see by your own you will not understand what is happening by the Grace of Allah.
may we be protected from shaitan who puts us doubts in believers.
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peace mmkhan,
it is prayer healing, the patients need to know what is it. the first thought of anyone who hears it is they compare with the christian prayer healing. but it is not. may be i don't know a correct word in english. so the patient's are taught what is God? what is disease? why we get disease? how it gets cured?
these questions are normally cleared when some one attend the meetings which are free to public. many who come to the meetings to hear the teachings do not even meet drfazl and when i discuss with them they are leading a life without any medicines even paying a single penny to drfazl. drfazl do not know them, but they know drfazl.
only who want to meet drfazl privately come to his clinic, they pay for witnessing the sign of healing. what he teach in the meeting is free when they come to him privately for the same they are paying. even though he is doctor, now he has only quran and God with him. so, God brings him patients. if a patient returns to him it is only to strengthen his belief in God? many people are ready to pay even their entire wealth (patients tell this) to modern medicine to see a cure, but they didn't find a cure for any disease, they only lost their organs. but when they come to drfazl they want it free because it is only a prayer for them like many here. after seeing this for a long time he was guided by 9.103 only this time he in the public meeting announced his fees is 2000USD to motivate them to spend. the same time he announced in freeminds also. people here started to think as usual he must have huge wealth milking by prayer for so many years and so many patients. their jealous fires their belly so they can't comprehend. because they have not met a single servant of God who is truthful to God. there was a hue and cry here too but after seeing what is happening they understood.
drfazl teaches quran the way he lives. whoever comes to the meeting regularly you can see them they removed their religious identities be a muslim, or a christian or a hindu or an atheist. they wish to become humans instead of religious divisions. hindus takes quran, christians takes quran, atheist takes quran and muslims takes quran to read in their native language first time to understand. many with their families turning towards Allah against all accusations more than what you see in this forum. it is a peaceful renaissance shielded from the disbelievers eyes (yet they call themselves believers as in the aforesaid periods) by Allah. unless you see by your own you will not understand what is happening by the Grace of Allah.
may we be protected from shaitan who puts us doubts in believers.
Peace brother,
Thanks for your reply.
May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
mmKhan