The Qur'aan And Its Ever Unsolved Mystery: What is > A-L-M and A-L-R and A-L-M-R
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I asked 6 very specific questions. All you manage is ignoring all 6 of them and instead, asking a question where nobody knows the answer.
Do you maintain to have exclusive knowledge of what language a god speaks or uses?
You ask a question as though there is documented and historically accurate information as to who revealed what to whom at what time and place in what language.
Does this mean you will again ignore my questions and run off into some void?For the moment I think I will avoid . You seem to stay stuck in matter. No matter!
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Did you know that this argument is the weakest argument of all Islamic arguments? It is a cop-out.
Did you know that most people believe the Koran to be revealed for everyone, not just the people who have studied a particular dialect of a language?
Did you know that according to 144 there must have been a perfect text in a language everybody understood? (in the language of his people, so that he might clearly convey the message to them - Usmani)
Did you know that the Koran itself claims it is easy to understand and to remember? That everything is explained? Is there really a need for all these mystic and nebulous insinuations?
Salam StopS and Al -Amiyr
i'm agree with StopS in this point. The Quran is a Revelation for the Alamiin
Al amiyr does not speak of the Quran, but about the 'hidden' book, which i do not equate with the Qur'an, the reading
The Quran was revealed for the last prophet- he explains it sufficient and fully - for this why we need no new prophet, but only messengers.
The knowledge which al -Amiyr like tol transmit , I understand it as knowledge from a prophet.
However, Allah has revealed in the Qur'an that the prophethood has ended, I can not accept this as absolute truth, but look at them as an interesting new theory or explanation.
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.The state of the knowledge
of The Muslims as far as their understanding of the language of The Qur'aan is concerned.
The pre-requisite or the required state of being to understand Quran is to possess the clairvoyance of the wisdom by the leave of Allah. Allah grants it to those who think and ponder the ayats of Quran, in the Name of the only Aalim, the All-Knowing; and they alone can touch the Quran or get at it. To ponder you need no language but beyond the language, the intuitive perception.
Say Believe therein or believe not therein, lo! those who were given the wisdom even before it is revealed, when it is read unto them, fall down prostrate on their faces, adoring.
salam amiyr.
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Peace mirjamnur.
I agree with you.
Also al-amiyr is boasting, claiming he has a secret? Seeking dignity from members?
Many before him have played that game. Confirm what you are about from Qoran?
Some are falling into a trap like their parents and other generations before them
7173 Nor can you say? It was our parents who practised idolatry ( Were loyal to others!) and we simply followed in their footsteps; Will you punish us for what others have innovated??
Seek your Lord and His word only. Check all claims. Use Qoran as a guide.
7174 We thus explain the revelations ( To remind the humans!) to enable the people to redeem themselves.?
Peace.
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Peace mirjamnur.
I agree with you.
Also al-amiyr is boasting, claiming he has a secret? Seeking dignity from members?
Many before him have played that game. Confirm what you are about from Qoran?
Some are falling into a trap like their parents and other generations before them
7173 Nor can you say? It was our parents who practised idolatry ( Were loyal to others!) and we simply followed in their footsteps; Will you punish us for what others have innovated??
Seek your Lord and His word only. Check all claims. Use Qoran as a guide.
7174 We thus explain the revelations ( To remind the humans!) to enable the people to redeem themselves.?
Peace.
Your peace returned
You always love to show yourself coming in peace but your hollow words are filled with hypocrisy. This is what I have already identified as a show your religion. They are all going to end up under rubbish heaps.
You have no idea what this Qur'aan is about. And praise be to ALLAAH who Has protected the knowledge of His Divine book from the unworthy. You are trying so hard to protect your none sense. There is one thing falsehood all have in common and that is, they love to attack from behind. They cannot face the truth. I am fully aware of all your concoctions.When you quote the Qur'aan, please stop inserting words that does not belong there.
Your peace returned
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Peace al-amiyr.
It seems you do not know me from what you described in your post.I am not even repeating it.
However , here is more Qoran( plus some of my words!)
416 Say? I am no more than a human being like you, who has been inspired that your god is ONE god. You shall be devoted to HIM, and ask HIS forgiveness. Woe to the idols worshippers.? ( Followers of doctrines, wishful thinking , man made stuff and guesswork?)
4133 Who can utter better words than the one who invites to GOD, works righteousness and says? I am one of the submitters.? ( Listens to GOD s message)
4134 Not equal is the good response and the bad response. You shall resort to the nicest possible response, thus, the one who used to be your enemy may become your friend.? ( Waste of time arguing! GOD is the only judge.)
4138 If they are too arrogant to do this, then those at your Lord ( All the creatures that already submitted to HIM) glorify HIM day and night without ever tiring.?
4140 ? Do whatever you wish. HE (GOD) is Seer of everything you do."
Sorry for not buying into your hidden book. However I will still say
Peace to you.
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Peace al-amiyr.
It seems you do not know me from what you described in your post.I am not even repeating it.
However , here is more Qoran( plus some of my words!)
416 Say? I am no more than a human being like you, who has been inspired that your god is ONE god. You shall be devoted to HIM, and ask HIS forgiveness. Woe to the idols worshippers.? ( Followers of doctrines, wishful thinking , man made stuff and guesswork?)
4133 Who can utter better words than the one who invites to GOD, works righteousness and says? I am one of the submitters.? ( Listens to GOD s message)
4134 Not equal is the good response and the bad response. You shall resort to the nicest possible response, thus, the one who used to be your enemy may become your friend.? ( Waste of time arguing! GOD is the only judge.)
4138 If they are too arrogant to do this, then those at your Lord ( All the creatures that already submitted to HIM) glorify HIM day and night without ever tiring.?
4140 ? Do whatever you wish. HE (GOD) is Seer of everything you do."
Sorry for not buying into your hidden book. However I will still say
Peace to you.
Your peace returned
Your cunning actions behind smooth talking is what I am referring to. Remember that! I have been watching how you have slyly been provoking and evil campaign against muhammad (S+) and his family.
Don't hide your falsehood behind Qur'aanic verses. You guys are so scared that you have now begun to launch your campaign against this guy al-amiyr. Remember I am vindicated by all the personal attacks that you are trying to launch. I have predicted it.
as_salaamu "alaykum
Where the Book (al-kitaab) goes there the Shaytaan and his allies are frantic. They know what is coming and have the permission and are intent to do their utmost to cause its delay. So be always on your guard. They are all a bunch of weaklings without any power except over those who take them as allies.This post has been set up to expose the strategies of this great rebel and hater of humanity.
He is almost everywhere and he had a long time
by the permission of ALLAAH The Most High
to set up his traps to divert from the straight road of ALLAAH The Most high.His agents and progeny are watching you from a place you cannot see them.
That is what ALLAAH informs us in the qur'aan.
Take heed.Don't be surprised when you see them beginning to launch their attacks against this insignificant but knowledgeable fellow.
Hope all the brotherhood and sisterhood will take heed.
The next day this Muslim forum issued me with a ban.
walhamdulillaahi rabbil_"aalamiyn
Your peace returned
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Peace al-amiyr.
I trust in God Alone. Show me a single evidence of what you are claiming I did?
I believe whatever needs to be said God has said it in his book
Say, "If the ocean were ink for the words of my Lord, the ocean would run out, before the words of my Lord run out, even if we double the ink supply."
There is nothing hidden.
As for scared, nothing can harm or benefit me , only what my Lord wills for me.
As for predictions , I do not predict anything, however I know for sure that we are both going to meet our creator on the day of judgement. He will let us who is fabricating lies ?
Again peace to you
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Peace be upon you,
Which claims made by Al-amiyr cause so much confrontation? I cannot understand how one man can cause so much conflict in one place. Mind explaining what is so blasphemous with these ideas of the meaning of "A.L.M"?
Can al-amiyr not have his opinion of what they mean? You choose to believe it if it seems logical and does not go against the teachings of the Quran. Otherwise you say you do not agree without insult, explaining why.
May God forgive our sins.
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Peace Man of Faith.
Please read the posts and see for yourself who has made insults?
Please show us the insults that have been made and by who?
I may be wrong?
Peace.
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Peace good logic,
I saw that you claimed that al-amiyr was boasting and agreed with mirjamur on his post. Al-amiyr responded aggressively to this claim, for example, by calling you and others hypocrites among other things.
May God help us solve this.
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Peace al-amiyr.
I trust in God Alone. Show me a single evidence of what you are claiming I did?
I believe whatever needs to be said God has said it in his book
Say, "If the ocean were ink for the words of my Lord, the ocean would run out, before the words of my Lord run out, even if we double the ink supply."
There is nothing hidden.
As for scared, nothing can harm or benefit me , only what my Lord wills for me.
As for predictions , I do not predict anything, however I know for sure that we are both going to meet our creator on the day of judgement. He will let us who is fabricating lies ?
Again peace to you
- The Hypocrites are afraid lest a Sura should be sent down about them, showing them what is (really passing) in their hearts. Say "Mock ye! But verily Allah will bring to light all that ye fear (should be revealed).
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Peace Farida.
You have made your choice, that is fine. But Please do not judge anyone .
God is the only judge.
I forgive you.
Please only Trust in God Alone.
Peace.
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Peace Farida.
You have made your choice, that is fine. But Please do not judge anyone .
God is the only judge.
I forgive you.
Please only Trust in God Alone.
Peace.
4 142. The Hypocrites - they think they are over-reaching Allah, but He will over- reach them When they stand up to prayer, they stand without earnestness, to be seen of men, but little do they hold Allah in remembrance;
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Post 2
.Firstly you must remember that the Qur'aan is a book that has been revealed in The Arabic Language and in particular the dialect of The tribe of Quraysh.
Amiyr,
Is the Quran given in the dialect of the Tribe Quraish? It is a weird statement by you; wherefrom you got this wild imagination? Allah has said He has sent down the Quran in Arabic so that later generations shall not dispute about the origin of the scripture. All you have to do before confirming it is from Allah, is to juxtapose with your conscience and see if the Book is in conformity with it. If it is not then you might find in the reading lots of discrepancies. If your good senses play such important role in understanding the Quran, then this God endowed sense is above all human languages that speaks of one truth. Please do not play with the Arabic language which is of no use at all if your need is to comprehend clearly the guidance of Allah for your benefits in both the worlds.
Salam, drfazl
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Is the Quran given in the dialect of the Tribe Quraish? It is a weird statement by you; wherefrom you got this wild imagination? Allah has said He has sent down the Quran in Arabic so that later generations shall not dispute about the origin of the scripture.
Every scholar of The Qur'aan knows it. It also came in six other modes of recitation. Today there are twenty eight languages calling themselves Arabic and it has little to do with Qur'aanic Arabic. Check this yourself. If you find anything that contradict what I have said let me know inshaa allaah.
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Every scholar of The Qur'aan knows it. It also came in six other modes of recitation. Today there are twenty eight languages calling themselves Arabic and it has little to do with Qur'aanic Arabic. Check this yourself. If you find anything that contradict what I have said let me know inshaa allaah.
There can never be a scholar in Quran! Speak of Quran alone and do not talk anything else other than Quran; your post here has no relevance to Quran. Does Quran say anything concerning what you had written? Who is a scholar in Quran as per Quran? Kindly say the Ayat.
salam
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Every scholar of The Qur'aan knows it.
If you find anything that contradict what I have said let me know inshaa allaah.I don't think that your statement is correct at all. There are numerous scholars who beg to differ.
"Some scholars have taken a second look at the Koran and, like ?Christoph Luxenberg? in his book ?Die Syro-Aramaische Lesart des Koran?, have come up with a different approach, reading the Koran in Arabic and Aramaic side-by-side. He found that the original language was not always pure Arabic, but a dialect from Syria, Syro-Aramaic, as Arabic was not a written language until some two centuries later. The verbal spreading of spiritual texts, recitation, from Christians and Jews happened in a mix of languages, which was in turn translated into Arabic for the Bedouins of the Arabic peninsula. The first time the texts adapted for the Bedouins were written down was in an Arab-Aramaic language."But I don't think this should be a battle of scholars and a tit-for-tat "my scholar is better than your scholar". Why don't you show us the words which are typical or exclusive for the dialect of the Quraish and prove it yourself?
The modes of recitation do not alter the written language at all. The elongated script of the early Hijazi allowed for different intonations and is the basis for the different forms. -
I don't think that your statement is correct at all. There are numerous scholars who beg to differ.
"Some scholars have taken a second look at the Koran and, like ?Christoph Luxenberg? in his book ?Die Syro-Aramaische Lesart des Koran?, have come up with a different approach, reading the Koran in Arabic and Aramaic side-by-side. He found that the original language was not always pure Arabic, but a dialect from Syria, Syro-Aramaic, as Arabic was not a written language until some two centuries later. The verbal spreading of spiritual texts, recitation, from Christians and Jews happened in a mix of languages, which was in turn translated into Arabic for the Bedouins of the Arabic peninsula. The first time the texts adapted for the Bedouins were written down was in an Arab-Aramaic language."But I don't think this should be a battle of scholars and a tit-for-tat "my scholar is better than your scholar". Why don't you show us the words which are typical or exclusive for the dialect of the Quraish and prove it yourself? (al-amiyrs emphasis)
The modes of recitation do not alter the written language at all. The elongated script of the early Hijazi allowed for different intonations and is the basis for the different forms.That is the correct thing to do. I am combining it all in the Entering the Hidden book thread which gives the origin of the words and their meanings.