ShayTaan And His Allies In The World's Forums
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Yes, I know all too well how satan works. The best way is to use the words of God in such convincing and skillful ways, making people believe what he wants them to believe, and he does this best by portraying himself as a humble servant of God lamenting that he has been persecuted for his self sacrificing efforts when all that he is trying to do is enlighten people bringing them from darkness. Satan understands people very well and knows how to talk and how to manipulate. Taking truth and combining it with fabrications is an artful and very effective way of how satan leads people astray.
Let's keep this section for "general issues and questions". Thank you.Shaytaan and his devotees (StopS?) do NOT attack those who agree with them, as that would be to weaken their own. brickwall They are, however, very ardent opponents of anyone out to spread the word of God.
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Open up another section just for people who promise special surprises? Don't think so. The insignificant but allegedly knowledgeable fellow can continue for a bit longer until most can see the veracity or lack thereof...then we'll chuck the threads in the appropriate sections. Of course if this goes on like the Arabian Nights, we'd have to improvise.
Yup if its no good it can always go in the trash corner.
Have faith in Allaah; have no fear. Remember ShayTan has no power, except over those that follow him.
Why worry when Allaah (swt) has given us the weapon to defend us.
Just say 'a"uwdhu billaahi mina_sh_shayTaani_r_rajiym/ (I seek refuge in ALLAAH from THE ACCURSED SATAN)
and embark;bismillaahi_r_rahmaani_r_rahiym (In the name of ALLAAH THE_ALL_MERCIFUL THE_MOST_MERCIFUL)The Peace be upon you and The Mercy of ALLAAH and His Blessings.
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quote from AL-amiyr y=mx+L,
Salam Al-amiyr
May you please help understand if your equation quoted above is very significant and how to use it when following you in your threads.Thanks a lot
Siwto
+salaam Siwto
I have been working on post 14 now for almost 70 hours. I hope to upload within six hours inshaa allaah. The equation ( the equation of a straight line) you have asked about is very significant. It will be understood before I have posted the 20th thread inshaa allaah. Look forward to the next post because after it the knowledge will become understood inshaa allaah.
+salaam
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And notice the praises given to his supporters with such flattery especially Farida who is his staunchest supporter jumping to his defense every time. His tactics are all too apparent.
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Salaam justamuslim
I took time to read your post after a nice cup of tea ahh.
Farida, as you state that you are a wise woman who has seen a lot, have you verified this claim made by al-Amyr about his lineage not that it makes his claims any more credible? He makes claims and has anyone here asked for evidence and proof of his claims?
Dear sister first you insult my intellegence by saying; such flattery especially Farida who is his staunchest supporter jumping to his defense every time. and than you say 'I called myself wise', which I never did; I only said I have seen a lot of life. That means I have experience of living in more than three countries and meeting all sorts of people for all these years. If you expect me to tell you my age then that's no way to ask that from a woman who has had a good experience of life.
He makes claims and has anyone here asked for evidence and proof of his claims
I am sure you are aware that when people apply for a job they provide a resume, or a cv, but often those who want to take advantage of a person's skills ignore what's in the CV and just go for the person. That is how I looked at brother al-amiyr's introduction and, to be quite honest it's better to put something in a CV than to say 'I dreamed it so here I am'.
Relax. I would love to increase my knowledge and I find it has indeed been increased by him. Remember Allaah advised us not to sit in a company that is mocking God's name; we are then required to leave, saying peace. In addition I've found all his lessons based on the Qur'an, and thanks to this forum we've discussed so many subjects that has allowed me to filter al-amiyr's statements, with a fine comb, checking and double checking with references from the Qur'an.@farida. Before you respond to my post, let me state that I am not in need of al-amyrs hidden knowledge to be astonished and enlightened.
When Allaah (swt) says there is no compulsion in deen do you think any believer would attempt to compell you?
It is God who guides me to the truth. Personally, I don't need letters, numbers, circles, squares, scholars, etc to believe that there is a God and life hereafter where we all have to stand account to how we have lived our lives. A concept so easy and simple to grasp - I think. And I refer to the Koran for guidance and comfort in my life. I dont find a need to look for something esoteric, some hidden encrypted meanings in numbers, letters and needing rituals, traditions, and scholars. Personally, I am satisfied with God and His simple guidance is sufficient for me.
May Allaah guide us all to the truth! Personally I love to increase my knowledge, especially in this day and age, when I am waching "Tthe Big Bang Theory" when DNA and cosmology are part of entertainment and computers are a part of our life. To understand all that one need to know programming which requires a language and numbers so, if I can learn that, wow I am off flying but please don't make me into the famous woman who flew. ;D
Anyhow, i don't have issues with people wanting to be enlightened by al-amyr. Go for it.
I have an issue. I wish you were not such a 'scarety cat'; if indeed you believe in Allaah you should trust Him. If you express faith with your mouth, but in your heart are not convinced that Allaah will protect you, then it's no use saying ; 'a"uwdhu billaahi mina_sh_shayTaani_r_rajiym/ (I seek refuge in ALLAAH from THE ACCURSED SATAN) but, if you are sincere, God will protect your faith from the wispers of shaytan insah'allaah.
Salaam
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SALAAM
Few days ago i went in discussion in ahl-sunah sufi discussion on fb i just post from Quran and they acused me of posting ofensive postss... just because i prove them that hadith is making their knowledge of Quran into blindness.. even sufis are sleeping.. brickwall
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Re http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9604789.msg317492;topicseen#msg317492
Yes, I know all too well how satan works. ....
..... I am not as it is God who guides me, showing me the right path and teaching me the truth. I am not taken in by flowery words and charms having a veil over my eyes.Many occasions, al-Amyr has said how he has been censored in other forums and of course, people here don't want to be like those in other forums - right? Subtle but effective tactic. And people on this forum are fortunate to have this knowledge that has been only in his family. So those who don't care to see this knowledge that al-Amyr is presenting are living in the darkness?
Ok darling you are clearly not in a mood to relax, or allow others to do so. For that reason I thought I'd address your reply here as it appears you did not bother to read my reply above for which I especially took time off for you.
You say above Of course, mmkhan is a nice guy and he reacted with apologies
DO you not see yourself passing judgement ?
Are you unaware of Allaah's disapproval of anyone, other than Him, passing judgement on anyone? (shirk)
Did you see me anywhere claiming that brother al-amiyr is a nice man ....who am I to judge? I have however accepted him as my teacher for reasons, which I believe, are in my best interest.
I am not forcing you to accept him as your teacher as you clearly stated Personally, I am satisfied with God and His simple guidance is sufficient for me so what is your problem ???@farida. Before you respond to my post, let me state that I am not in need of al-amyrs hidden knowledge to be astonished and enlightened. .
If Allaah provided his proofs before time is up everyone would believe and we would no longer be respited and the test thus nullified. hmm
For anyone to even insinuate that prophet muhammed had certain knowledge which has been kept hidden only passed on from one generation to next is a serious allegation and just blasphemous
If you see blasphemy in his writings then fight him and prove him wrong. As far as I am concerned this knowledge was kept hidden for a perfectly good reason, after all how could we expect people of the 6th century to discuss The Big Bang Theory or DNA confused
The world had to complete this age of discovery before we could comprehend some of Allaah's signs
354 And the disbelievers planned, but Allah planned. And Allah is the best of planners..
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@farida. Not ignoring your posts. It just means that I don't have the time.
I really hope that I can convey my point and the issue that i have. I will try. There are hadiths that do not contradict the Koran and actually help in understanding the verses. But to claim that the narrations are from prophet Muhammed given they didn't contradict the Koran and if anything verified what is said in the Koran and these narrations have been passed down through the generations for 250 years till Bukhari collected it in his volumes, would you accept the claim?
Al-Amyr is making the claim that this knowledge is not his own and has been passed down from prophet Muhammed. This knowledge is one thing and we can talk about that later as you along with others have been filtering his statements but what I have issues with is his claim that it is coming from prophet Muhammed. That is what al-amyr claimed.
So do you, Farida, believe that prophet Muhammed had this knowledge which he kept it a secret? Ok then my next question is did God give him this knowledge and tell him to keep it a secret? Or did prophet Muhammed get this knowledge of his own accord?
If a person claims that something is from Muhammed and attributing it to him, then the burden of proof is on the claimant. Provide evidence that can be verified that indeed prophet Muhammed had this knowledge which he didn't reveal to all of the humanity but only to his progeny.
Farida, Godsubmitter, good logic, savage carrot,mmkhan, and all those on this forum, do you all believe that prophet Muhammed had this knowledge which obviously he didn't share it with the world keeping it a secret? If this is true, what other secrets did Muhammed keep from humanity that which we don't know about?
By the way farida, I didn't intend to insult your intelligence. As you said you have seen a lot, and I took that to mean that you are wise. I owe you an apology for that but I am not retracting my statement that you are wise though.
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Open up another section just for people who promise special surprises? Don't think so. The insignificant but allegedly knowledgeable fellow can continue for a bit longer until most can see the veracity or lack thereof...then we'll chuck the threads in the appropriate sections. Of course if this goes on like the Arabian Nights, we'd have to improvise.
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Farida, Godsubmitter, good logic, savage carrot,mmkhan, and all those on this forum, do you all believe that prophet Muhammed had this knowledge which obviously he didn't share it with the world keeping it a secret? If this is true, what other secrets did Muhammed keep from humanity that which we don't know about?
Justamuslim, I generally agree with you if it wasn't clear from my post/s on the topic. The issue is, some consider this 'fellow' inclusive of the 'fellow' himself...to be 'knowledgeable'. So, let him get to the part where it can be clearly seen by most members just what he's on about. Some of us can predict this is going to be kinda, shall we say... anti-climatic, but the others who've gotten geometry boxes in anticipation are going to be pissed that we sacked the instructor before he had a chance to tell them how to measure straight lines.Besides, he has a whole host of angels supporting him in the form of several new accounts on this forum from his home city. Their main purpose is to gently fan him with their wings, in time for his next post. They'd make excellent drummers because they can keep a beat and apparently the momentum going. We shall be shortly asking 'them' about their musical inclinations, so to say )
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Peace justamuslim.
I will clarify for you and everyone else in this forum.
I believe Qoran is fully detailed( bearing in mind it confirms the other scriptures). There are no other books/hidden secrets/scrolls/hadiths( ie men s books)... that contain other information given by God . If whatever others claim/write/explain... does not agree with Qoran it is false as far as " Deen" is concerned.
6114 Shall I seek other than GOD as a source of law ( and service/religion!); When HE has revealed to you this book fully detailed? ( No need for the words of men?) Those who received the scripture ( before you) recognise that it has been revealed from your Lord truthfully. ( With proof that it is the word of GOD? ) You shall not harbour any doubt.?
Those who reverence God Alone, know that they will be accountable to Him
76 We will certainly question those who received the message ,( then made up doctrines, false religion,False claims?) and we will question the messengers.?
77 We will inform them ( all humans on the day of judgement) authoritatively, for We were never absent.?
We can try to fool people but we can never fool God.752 We have given them a scripture that is fully detailed, ( Is this true? Check it?) with knowledge, guidance and mercy for the people who believe.?
( Did GOD give Moses the Tablets? HIS own words? Did GOD require the children of Israel to write their own words?)
7169 Subsequent to them, ( The children of Israel) HE (GOD) substituted new generations who inherited the scripture .(The word of GOD!) But they opted for the worldly life instead, ( and the words of Men!) saying? We will be forgiven?, but then they continued to opt for the materials of this world. ( and justify their deviation from the word of GOD!) Did they not make a covenant to uphold the scripture (and only follow the word of GOD!) and not to say about GOD except the truth? Did they not study the scripture? ( It forbade them from following idols?) Certainly the hereafter is far better for those who believe (and stay loyal to GOD!) and maintain righteousness ( Follow the word of GOD only!). Do you not understand??
7181 Among our creation there are those who guide with the truth ( and follow only the word of GOD!) and the truth renders them righteous.?
829 O you who believe, if you reverence GOD, ( Stay loyal, only follow only HIS word!) HE will enlighten you, ( Teaches you HIS system/religion) remits your sins and forgives you. GOD possesses infinite grace.?
God Alone is enough for me.
Peace.
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@farida. Not ignoring your posts. It just means that I don't have the time.
Salaam sister
You confirmed that you have not read my posts, just read all the posts and then I will pay attention to you; otherwise whatever I say will pile up on your unread file.By the way farida, I didn't intend to insult your intelligence. .
You did insult my intelligence by saying ; have you verified this claim made by al-Amyr about his lineage not that it makes his claims any more credible
Have you heard the saying 'do not judge the book by its cover'? Let me spell it out for you; it's not his linage but the content of brother al-amiyr's posts, which I read several time and I'm still going through it and discovering more info that is important to me.As you said you have seen a lot, and I took that to mean that you are wise
Age does not necessarily make one wise, but experience does help one not to jump to conclusions as one learns with age how many surprise are still awating one, despite thinking one has seen it all o
I owe you an apology for that but I am not retracting my statement that you are wise though.
Above all you owe an apology to your judge and mine and please retract your statement where you gave your judgement; Of course, mmkhan is a nice guy Remember this is you judging him had you said I think mmkhan is nice guy than it would have been just your openion.
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Some of us can predict this is going to be kinda, shall we say... anti-climatic, but the others who've gotten geometry boxes in anticipation are going to be pissed that we sacked the instructor before he had a chance to tell them how to measure straight lines.
Dear savage_carrot
hmm carefully you are forgetting one very important component
A Clean Blank Paper
I don't need to tell that one has to have that in order to draw a straight lineBesides, he has a whole host of angels supporting him in the form of several new accounts on this forum from his home city.
'The angels' are not necessarily supporters of al-amiyr who are signing on new accounts on this forum from his home city
Their main purpose is to gently fan him with their wings, in time for his next post. They'd make excellent drummers because they can keep a beat and apparently the momentum going. We shall be shortly asking 'them' about their musical inclinations, so to say )
Their main aim is more likey to fan a fire for him.
hmm
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@farida. When someone describes a person as being nice, beautiful, kind, stupid, ignorant, arrogant,etc, obviously it is what that person thinks or feels. It is that person's opinion. Now aren't you being judgmental by claiming that I judged mmkhan? Didn't you just pass a judgment on me accusing me of being judgmental for expressing my description of mmkhan just because I said "mmkhan is a nice guy" and not the way that you think I should have said?
You called me a "scarety cat". What do you consider that? Not only did you pass a judgment on me but you put me down, calling me names.
Geesh! Listen, God knows me and at the end of the day that is all that matters. It was I who said that mmkhan is a nice guy. And i will say it again that mmkhan is a nice guy. God knows that is my opinion. As far as I am concerned, God's opinion is all that matters. )
I agree with you that age does not translate to wisdom. I did not state that based on your age. I don't know how old you are anyway and I don't want to know. When you said in one of you posts about how you have seen much, etc I took that to mean that you are wise. That was mistake and wrong on my part and I will retract that. I will say it once again, that I was not insulting your intelligence. Regardless you took it that way and I apologized for that as clearly that was NOT my intention. The angels questioned God asking him would he put someone on earth who would cause bloodshed or along those lines. It is a verse in sura 2. Now, were the angels insulting God and His intelligence? No, it is not a statement about God and his intelligence but about the angels who didn't understand, couldn't believe.
Anyhow Farida, I really wish to clear things up and not to harp on this more. Thanks.
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Dear savage_carrot
hmm carefully you are forgetting one very important component
A Clean Blank Paper
I don't need to tell that one has to have that in order to draw a straight line
Here I thought one could draw straight lines on anything and everything had one the inclination...obviously there is some important reason why A Clean Blank Paper is highlighted as opposed to missing the lines one is supposed to read inbetween.'The angels' are not necessarily supporters of al-amiyr who are signing on new accounts on this forum from his home city
And the reason home city is highlighted in red is because...? They don't have A Clean Blank Paper?Their main aim is more likey to fan a fire for him.
hmm
Brilliant. It's reverse psychology of course. hmm indeed, I likey. -
Here I thought one could draw straight lines on anything and everything had one the inclination...obviously there is some important reason why A Clean Blank Paper is highlighted as opposed to missing the lines .
Yup
one is supposed to read inbetween.
First you have to draw a line ;D
And the reason home city is highlighted in red is because...? They don't have A Clean Blank Paper?Brilliant
Red is for those who are signing on from their home city. Now you have to read between the colours.
It's reverse psychology of course. .
No its free-mind.
hmm indeed, I likey
handshake
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@good logic
Thank you for quoting the verses.
i don't want people to lose sight of what al-Amyr is claiming. Someone in his defense asked me in the other thread how do I know that God didn't guide al-Amyr. Ok al-Amyr did not come up with this discovery or knowledge. He claimed that it come from prophet Muhammed. This is what he wants us to believe. Although he did not come out and say it, basically the deduction is that God revealed this knowledge to prophet Muhammed. How else could prophet have gotten this knowledge? On his own? No.
Some fundamental truths The Koran is not the words of Muhammed. It is the revelation from God. They are the words of God. Whatever God revealed, it is all there in the Koran. It is complete. So to believe in Al-almyr claims is a rejection of the koran. To say that God revealed this knowledge to Muhammed who kept it a secret is a blatant lie. The Koran is clear about fabricating lies about God. Not only that, his claims then leads to questioning the integrity of the prophet and God. What else did God reveal to prophet that we don't know about and did God lie to us? What else did prophet Muhammed keep away from us?
Al-amyrs claims about this "guidance" is clearly not supported by the Koran. I don't care how fantastic this knowledge is and fully agreeing with the Koran. It could be mind boggling. I reject all lies told about God and the prophet!! Why would I want to listen to someone telling lies about God and prophet Muhammed?
I am sure there will be those who will believe all that al-Amyr says thinking they are guided and so enlightened by his knowledge. They will be astonished. Moved to tears. And much more than that.
Clearly it will not be me!
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@good logic
Thank you for quoting the verses.
i don't want people to lose sight of what al-Amyr is claiming. Someone in his defense asked me in the other thread how do I know that God didn't guide al-Amyr. Ok al-Amyr did not come up with this discovery or knowledge. He claimed that it come from prophet Muhammed. This is what he wants us to believe. Although he did not come out and say it, basically the deduction is that God revealed this knowledge to prophet Muhammed. How else could prophet have gotten this knowledge? On his own? No.
Some fundamental truths The Koran is not the words of Muhammed. It is the revelation from God. They are the words of God. Whatever God revealed, it is all there in the Koran. It is complete. So to believe in Al-almyr claims is a rejection of the koran. To say that God revealed this knowledge to Muhammed who kept it a secret is a blatant lie. The Koran is clear about fabricating lies about God. Not only that, his claims then leads to questioning the integrity of the prophet and God. What else did God reveal to prophet that we don't know about and did God lie to us? What else did prophet Muhammed keep away from us?
Al-amyrs claims about this "guidance" is clearly not supported by the Koran. I don't care how fantastic this knowledge is and fully agreeing with the Koran. It could be mind boggling. I reject all lies told about God and the prophet!! Why would I want to listen to someone telling lies about God and prophet Muhammed?
I am sure there will be those who will believe all that al-Amyr says thinking they are guided and so enlightened by his knowledge. They will be astonished. Moved to tears. And much more than that.
Clearly it will not be me!
Pay heed to the following warning from ALLAAH in His Qur'aan.
Those who behave arrogantly on the earth in defiance of right -
them will I turn away from My signs
Even if they see all the signs, they will not believe in them;
and if they see the way of right conduct, they will not adopt it as the way;
but if they see the way of error, that is the way they will adopt.
For they have rejected our signs, and failed to take warning from them.Continue with your mockery!
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Al-Amyr opened up several threads in this section/category. If he comes here starts threads and makes claim then he should be prepared for questioning as this forum is for discussion, evaluation, questioning, etc. So al-amyr or someone else can come on this forum writing whatever and we are all supposed to be like good little children keeping quiet and let him say whatever? I don't think so.
al-amyr has been going on for how long now? He is on post 14? How long before post 20? While he opens up thread here and there and drags this one for another month, we are all supposed to sit and let him say whatever till he finishes. Not me.
Shouldn't al-amyr focus and finish doing what he said he would do by today instead of opening up threads like this one about how satan works on world forums? What was his point? He opened up this thread which he said he has done in other forums - implication being what? People delaying him, banning him for doing what he is trying to do. He has used the words of God from the Koran and what do you call when you use the words of God to serve your purpose? And you all expect me to sit here and keep quiet? Sorry, not happening.
Listen Al-amyr, if you have some knowledge then why not just share the knowledge. Simple. Why don't you stop lamenting, stop with all this flowery words, lamenting about how you have been banned on other forums, etc and get to your points. Stop blaming others for supposedly delaying you from doing what you want to do. people have asked you to get to your points but YOU have dragged this long.
You said that you have been in other Sunni and shia forums, You have been doing this for a year now. You said in your introduction that you were on a forum for a month and had no response or something like that. You have been here for almost a month now and yet to finish posting like you said What is taking you so long? And why are you blaming others? And satan?
By the way, satan has no power. He gets his power from people. At the end, satan will say hey don't blame me for what you did. I remember reading a verse like that in the Koran. So i suggest taking responsibility for your own actions.
You said that that this knowledge has been passed down through the generations and your family has taught this to others. So it is not like "satan" is all frantically trying to stop or delay you. If you have this knowledge and have been on the forums all this year, why did it take you 70 hours to finish post 14?
also shouldn't you be all prepared before you go public with this knowledge. If you are ill prepared, don't blame others. The blame is on you. Again you have been on other forums and have had this knowledge. You have had the experience.
I don't know what people are complaining about letting him finish. Ok again this is a forum for questions and discussions, not for someone to come and minister to people dragging on and on. Who is stopping him from creating his own website or book or just coming here and posting all of his 20 posts? If anything people have been asking him to get to it.
For all those who are waiting for this knowledge, I am not stopping you from personally contacting al-Amyr. Farida has been sending him personal messages. And I believe al-Amyr mentioned about 7 members or something like that sending him personal messages and communicating. May be if you guys quit doing that, then he can finish his postings! I don't know what you guys are all worried about. You all can contact him, call him,meet with him outside of this forum. If al-Amyr is sick and dying, well he said that there are others who he has taught this knowledge to and I am sure al-Amyr and others would not act so irresponsibly to let this knowledge be destroyed. It has been kept in his family for 44 generations and surely, he has passed it on to the next and also others have been taught this knowledge who would be more than happy to teach this knowledge to whoever needs it. I am sure al-Amyr would not be so irresponsible to let you all live in darkness because of people like me. If he is in ailing health, I am sure he can connect you guys who want to learn, with someone who he has taught his lessons to possessing the knowledge. Those who learn this knowledge can then take it globally disseminating the info as Internet reaches wide audiences these days. No one is stopping you guys.
I don't understand what all this near hysteria is about. Again, let me make myself clear to all the supporters of al-Amyr. I am not stopping al-Amyr from teaching his lessons. He can give private lessons but if you all want him doing it here on the forum, you can ask the administrators which I did to create a section for him to minister to you all without interruption. Or why don't you all move the thread to miscellaneous? Al-amyrs posts don't belong in this section. What general issue or questions is he bringing up here in this category?
This forum is for discussion, questions, expressing thoughts, views, opinions, etc. Unless you all want to change that. Time to time, I get emails from Muslims living in the closet and I tell them hey, you are not alone and refer them here. I really hesitated couple of days ago referring someone here.
By the way, al-Amyr if there is anything you want to say to me, don't send me personal messages. Say it here in the forum. I address you here and so can you.