Peace be upon you all
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Peace Bender,
So you do not believe that 19 has nothing to do with God and all strange coincidences are just wishful thinking? Well, to be honest I am usually investigating things and thinking them through before I adopt new ideas, same with the so-called code 19.
Anyway, with or without it we can obtain salvation, it does not hang on some numbers. The code 19 I only see as a bonus which strengthened my faith.
God did not require us to believe in the so-called code 19, otherwise we would be explicitly told so in the Quran. So I take you as a brother in faith no matter if you believe in it or not, hope you and others feel the same.
ps. sometimes I get a feeling 19 is a trap ds.
May peace be upon us all.
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Peace Bender,
So you do not believe that 19 has nothing to do with God and all strange coincidences are just wishful thinking? Well, to be honest I am usually investigating things and thinking them through before I adopt new ideas, same with the so-called code 19.
Anyway, with or without it we can obtain salvation, it does not hang on some numbers. The code 19 I only see as a bonus which strengthened my faith.
God did not require us to believe in the so-called code 19, otherwise we would be explicitly told so in the Quran. So I take you as a brother in faith no matter if you believe in it or not, hope you and others feel the same.
ps. sometimes I get a feeling 19 is a trap ds.
May peace be upon us all.
Salaam,
You asked for it so I will make use of my exception D
No I do not believe 19 is een sign from Allah.
I don't like it when people who believe in 19 declare others who don't believe in it to be ... (... = all kinds of not so good things). And I also don't like it when people change/delete the text of The Quran to fit the 19 code. Besides this I have absolutely no problem with the ones who believe 19 is a sign for them handshakeI am now staring at a closet in front of me, from all the closets in the building my closet has number 19 hmm
But my house number, my phonenumber, my birthday, my birth year, my shoe size, my favourite number etc etc etc are not divisible by 19 hmmGREEN handshake
Salaam,
Bender -
Relax o brother,
No need to believe in code 19, I accept you as any other true believer. Like I said, code 19 is for those ho appreciate it and can find peace in it. It is irrelevant if 19 is a signature of God or not. I accept that it did not convince you and hope you accept it convinced me.
Anyway, we may have other, more important things in common, like worshiping God alone. It is most important, is it not?
May God's light shine upon our paths.
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Godsubmitter, I think anyone can find the right path which is there already but from birth till dearh, along this journey lies satan who leads people astray. That is his job and he never rests having many helpers. People falter, succumb as we are human beings. Only a few somehow make it all the way through. We need to be careful as we trend along this journey as you dont know who you might come across and might be talking to. This is why we need to listen to God paying close attention.
Thank you @Amnew for your reply.
You said it right we need to be attentive to God, because, if we believe in the Hereafter, we should use our time on this earth to strengthen our soul, and our spiritual "muscles", in order to be able to survive in higher dimensions after death. And we do that first by denouncing our prenatal mistake (or indecision) about God being the One, (wanting to see whether Iblees could be as "powerful" as god), and we should constantly remind ourselves that God is the One, and that there is only One God Alone, blessed is He! The best way to remain constantly "on track" is by practicing Salat-contact-prayer, which God gave us out of His Mercy.PS
Satan cannot do us much harm if we conquer and control our "evil inclination"PS 2
The miracle of 19 serves the purpose of establishing and confirming the inner structure of the Qur'an, and to show the creation thereof beyond human capabilities. At the right time, God has chosen the person to discover it and to explain it. There is no mystery or esotericism in it at all.
To me, it validated the Qur'an as a Scripture.Glory be to God the Almighty for ever and ever, blessed is He in eternity!
peace
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By the way, I agree that by no means should we change any text in the Quran to fit the 19 counts. But despite this is the Quran, in my opinion, filled with hints of 19 stuff.
You may mean change Quran as removing the last two verses of sura 9? I am a bit divided on that one actually. I believe in code 19, but I am not sure of that purging. I have other mathematical and non-mathematical proof the Quran is authentic.
That the words of the Quran are so incredibly true is enough on their own. You can understand the Jinns so perfectly thanks to it. And you have an easier life with it overall in all you do.
May we enjoy the each other's company in the future.
May God judge between our differences.
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May God judge between our differences.
God will certainly do that!
O you who believe, you should worry only about your own necks. If the others go astray, they cannot hurt you, as long as you are guided. To GOD is your ultimate destiny, all of you, then He will inform you of everything you had done.
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Salam,
We should stay united since we share something, the faith in God alone and is the most important thing (plus believing in the Hereafter and being righteous). That is enough for the salvation for all of us. I doubt code 19 believers will be doomed because they believed in it if it was wrong. It is not blasphemy.
May God forgive us in our disputes.
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Salam,
We should stay united since we share something, the faith in God alone and is the most important thing (plus believing in the Hereafter and being righteous). That is enough for the salvation for all of us. I doubt code 19 believers will be doomed because they believed in it if it was wrong. It is not blasphemy.
May God forgive us in our disputes.
Agreed handshake
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Salam,
We should stay united since we share something, the faith in God alone and is the most important thing (plus believing in the Hereafter and being righteous). That is enough for the salvation for all of us. I doubt code 19 believers will be doomed because they believed in it if it was wrong. It is not blasphemy.
May God forgive us in our disputes.
Agreed handshake
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God bless you friends! )GOD loves those who fight in His cause united in one column, like the bricks in one wall.
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Relax o brother,
Salaam,
I am relaxed, sorry if I sounded offensive.
No need to believe in code 19, I accept you as any other true believer. Like I said, code 19 is for those ho appreciate it and can find peace in it. It is irrelevant if 19 is a signature of God or not. I accept that it did not convince you and hope you accept it convinced me.
Anyway, we may have other, more important things in common, like worshiping God alone. It is most important, is it not?
May God's light shine upon our paths.
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Salaam,
Bender -
By the way, I agree that by no means should we change any text in the Quran to fit the 19 counts. But despite this is the Quran, in my opinion, filled with hints of 19 stuff.
You may mean change Quran as removing the last two verses of sura 9? I am a bit divided on that one actually. I believe in code 19, but I am not sure of that purging. I have other mathematical and non-mathematical proof the Quran is authentic.
Salaam,
Yes I mean the removing the last two verses of sura 9 and some other things.
Glad to hear you take The Book as a whole handshakeThat the words of the Quran are so incredibly true is enough on their own. You can understand the Jinns so perfectly thanks to it. And you have an easier life with it overall in all you do.
Ok here you lost me
May we enjoy the each other's company in the future.
May God judge between our differences.
InshaAllah.
I believe that there are no differences to divide us as a community if you also believe in every verse of The Book.
Salaam,
Bender