Kitab (k-t-b) : Does it really mean 'a book'?
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Salam
interesting information
let me to concluse from Badar we getThis is a Marfa noun. Marafa due to ?Al?, it is also a Musdar, verbal noun. Its root is ?Ka-Ta-Ba?. Its Wazan is . The root meaning is ?he wrote from what he learned?. Plus Wazan adds meanings of ?to refuse or take a flight? to the verbal root that is molded into this Wazan. If one were to use the formula of the language ?Root + Wazan = Meanings.
This would mean ?to refuse and depart from learned written collection?. Just want to share the rationale of above change. Specially some fruit for thought for those who are familiar with basic of the language.al kitab=?to refuse and depart from learned written collection
this opinion point to the fact that al Quran = al kitab, because the Quran is the new ORAL revelation and depart from learned written collection (the suhufi abraham and mosa)
so the Conclusion from mmkhan is not right? i also was sure that al Quran = al kitab and that al kitaab might be the collection of all the revealed inspirations/'books'- as Solomon said.
thoughts??? confused
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Al Kitaab might be a collection of all the books revealed by Allah to his messengers - Old testament, new testament and Quran.
We ignore the basics of a language and conceptualize concepts in air.
In Arabic the word cannot be written in isolation. Except Proper Nous-Names and Pronouns, in Arabic the words in default state are always indefinite. Proper word which can be written in isolation is an undefined book. Use of needs a sentence-text because it denotes a book which has since been defined and both speaker and the listener-reader recognize that book.
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We ignore the basics of a language and conceptualize concepts in air.
In Arabic the word cannot be written in isolation. Except Proper Nous-Names and Pronouns, in Arabic the words in default state are always indefinite. Proper word which can be written in isolation is an undefined book. Use of needs a sentence-text because it denotes a book which has since been defined and both speaker and the listener-reader recognize that book.
Let me rephrase "Kitab" would refer to a book, undefined. AlKitaab will refer to a defined book.
Reading the context of the verses where Alkitab is mentioned, I can find two possibilities
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AlKitab refers to Quran + New/old testamnet
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AlKitab refers to the "ayahs" or signs from the Lord specialized for each individual.
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Let me rephrase "Kitab" would refer to a book, undefined. AlKitaab will refer to a defined book.
Reading the context of the verses where Alkitab is mentioned, I can find two possibilities
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AlKitab refers to Quran + New/old testamnet
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AlKitab refers to the "ayahs" or signs from the Lord specialized for each individual.
One is masculine, the other is feminine. Miscellany of Aayaat written and compiled constitute what is called book.
Any book that is defined is then referred by the definite noun AlKitabu .
"Kitabuka" also means "The book" of you. Here Kitabu is definite withou prefixing "Al". -
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so the Conclusion from mmkhan is not right? i also was sure that al Quran = al kitab and that al kitaab might be the collection of all the revealed inspirations/'books'- as Solomon said.
Peace,
Red nope please take a look at this aayat.
1037
1037 This Quran could not have been produced without Allah; it is to authenticate what is between his hands, and details AlKitaab in which there is no doubt, from the Lord of the worlds.alQuraan details alKitaab, then how alQuraan = alKitaab?
May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us to His true path pr
mmKhan -
One is masculine, the other is feminine. Miscellany of Aayaat written and compiled constitute what is called book.
Any book that is defined is then referred by the definite noun AlKitabu .
"Kitabuka" also means "The book" of you. Here Kitabu is definite withou prefixing "Al".Please explain what AlKitab may mean according to you? I'm not very good at Arabic.
Peace,
Red nope please take a look at this aayat.
1037
1037 This Quran could not have been produced without Allah; it is to authenticate what is between his hands, and details AlKitaab in which there is no doubt, from the Lord of the worlds.alQuraan details alKitaab, then how alQuraan = alKitaab?
May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us to His true path pr
mmKhanPeace,
What do you think about these two meanings?
Reading the context of the verses where Alkitab is mentioned, I can find two possibilities
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AlKitab refers to Quran + New/old testamnet
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AlKitab refers to the "ayahs" or signs from the Lord specialized for each individual.
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Let me rephrase "Kitab" would refer to a book, undefined. AlKitaab will refer to a defined book.
Peace Solomon,
Red How will you translate in 179]?
Reading the context of the verses where Alkitab is mentioned, I can find two possibilities
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AlKitab refers to Quran + New/old testamnet
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AlKitab refers to the "ayahs" or signs from the Lord specialized for each individual.
I understand, alKitaab means the writing/text and alQuraan means the reading/reciting.
May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us to His only path pr
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Peace Solomon,
Red How will you translate in 179]?
I understand, alKitaab means the writing/text and alQuraan means the reading/reciting.
May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us to His only path pr
mmKhanPeace mmKhan
In 179, I see the phrase "Al Quran". Al = THE. Quran = recitation. So I'd read it as "Indeed, This Quran guides us...."
If Al Quran means a "recitation", I wonder how can a recitation possibly guide us? I mean, I can recite the Quran all day and take bribes/commit sin later?
As far as I can see, "AlKitab" is often used to refer to jews/christians. This is why i think it might mean the followers of book revealed to Muhammad and all other messengers.
This word at its own means nothing unless used in a text. Other words will explain which book it refers to.
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Salam Badar,
Interesting post.
- Was the findings yours? If not, please dismiss #2.
- Could you please apply the new meaning of the word to some verses of the Q where 'kitab' appears, so we could all see the possibilities.
Cheers!
Mohammed NohYes, and for a start please ponder upon this.
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Man (mankind) has suffered intensely.
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This suffering for you is due to the refusal and departure from the learned collection of principles. Without a shadow of doubt, a timeless mode of conduct is contained, in it; for all those seeking to safe guard against, a life, lacking faculty of growth, intelligence, knowledge as well, free of sorrow and grief.
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Salam,
Brother MMKhan, thank you for sharing your views.
Thank you also Brother Badar, for making the clarifications.
To the rest, I do appreciate your participations.
Just for discussion, in 22 we read 'thalika alkitabu. ...' Methinks 'this kitab' here refers to 'a-l-m', or 'a-l-m' (whatever it means or represents) is definitely a 'kitab'.
If we were of the opinion that the meaning for 'a-l-m' is unknown, then we do not know what that first few verses of C 2 is all about. And for that matter all the other chapters with 'a-l-m'. We cannot pretend to understand them when we don't know the meaning of 'a-l-m'.
More interesting is the fact that 'a-l-m' is also referred to as (tilka) 'ayat'/sign in other chapters. So in short, an object/subject could be both kitab or ayat.
Any ideas?
Cheers!
Mohammed Noh -
You are correct in your thoughts about it referring to Alif-Lam-Miim. These so to called Huroof e Mukqtaats are not letters. These are words/sentences. This one fully fits tenth form of verb from root Alif-Lam-Miim.
Dhalika , means both "this" and "that" refering to meanings of A L M, as, Man (Mankind) has suffered intensely. Dhalika, means, this suffering (for man/mankind), is due fleeing away from learned collection of principles.
Furthermore, the above meaning of kitab, is further strengthen by meanings of word Quran, which is from root Q R A, which means "he collected together the thing; put it, or drew it together part by part or portion by portion". This clearly points out to source of quran as well.
regards,
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You are correct in your thoughts about it referring to Alif-Lam-Miim. ... This one fully fits tenth form of verb from root Alif-Lam-Miim.
regards,
How?
These so to called Huroof e Mukqtaats are not letters. These are words/sentences
These are letters with several dimensions as you would learn from al-amiyr's thread and to claim that these are words, without further explaining, how come, is misleading and also limiting their importance.
This one fully fits tenth form of verb from root Alif-Lam-Miim
I am sorry; unless you further explain and show how you arrived at this result I see it as jibbering.
You still have time to catch up. We received lesson #15 today; very straight forward, explaining Alif-Lam-Miym.
Peace -
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So called Mystery of Initial Letter/Consonants.
salaam Mazhar
Thank you for your link; I looked at it, but it seems to flow in all direction. May I suggest that you limit your study to specific subjects. I see that you discuss alif laam miym in first three para, and then; ** It reflects that the Book in hand is in the language that has letters and other marks, representing that its writing system is letter-diacritic combination based, resulting in the combination of sounds that form a syllable, rather than a single sound. you moved on to other subjects.
I believe one must be brave and have faith in ALLAAH, and to gain knowledge one must not be afraid to explore all avenues, so I hope you would look into al-amiyr's posts. Then maybe you can see the difference and we can discuss what al-amiyr has put forward and compare it to your article insha allaah.
peace