WHAT IS THIS???? RECRUITMENT AGENCY FOR MILLITANS OR WHAT??
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SELAM-HELLO-MARHABA-HOLA-HALLO-HELO-SHALOM-BONJOUR-CIAO and PEACE to EVERYONE.
I have been on this site about a month now. I have read lots of post in various subjects which is fine by me. But I found out that some have different purposes for being here than others! I really thought this forum was purely based on the discussions of Quaranic scripture and its way of life discussions. However I sadly must emphasis to see some people have gone way out their way with their twisted assertions in order to achieve their goal. Well, it is sad that they just can't see the only way to find true path following High Mighty Creator's rules which comes in one sentence''BE GOOD TO YOURSELF AND BE GOOD TO OTHERS'' That's all there is to it.
I AM A SUBMITTER TO GOD BUT TO NO ONE ELSE. I am no mosque goer,no church goer nor synagogue goer. I do my submission to God anywhere, anytime walking,talking,running sitting in any position I am in ,cos' he is there everywhere and he knows my heart what I got.
The question everyone should ask to themselves is ''AM I A GOOD PERSON? When you honestly answer this to yourself than it means you are in the right path where your creator wants to be. No more No less thats what is all about good submitter, may be you may call it Muslim,Christian,catholic or jewish whatever you label it. Creator is merciful and most rewarding.What I don't like about this site is, some people made it as though political arena to discuss in very brainwashed,rude and forcefully trying to make the other person accept as though what they know is right and correct. Furthermore some are bringing their personal experiences in to the supposedly quaranic discussion and turning it,twisting it just to reach to the point as though winning over them would satisfy his/hers personal ego. I have witness recent discussion about Palestine/Israel between the parties of Soloman,Farida,administrator Layth,good logic and with a few more. What i saw in their discussion was not a discussion it was a war of attrition.... Every each of them were drifted and abandoned the real meaning of quaranic discussion. The sad thing about was that end of the every each post bringing name of ALLAH in it by saying ''Lord is high and mighty, He is the knower etc Why involve HIGH and MIGHTY in to your abusive conversation? Those kind of discussions makes me think exactly how passionately and hotly a millitan who believe the cause would act and behave. And that opens up all the avenues which did not enter in my head before!!! And forces me in a way change of heart about this site.
HUMAN RIGHTS ACT ADOPTED ON 10/12/1948 but how wonderful to see these acts were written in the Quaran as God's messages. You may ask why did I say this now? I said it because some people on this site are not genuine comply-ers of the scripture! Yet they consider themselves genuine Quaranic discussioners! I am resting my case and my hat is in front of me!!!
Quaran is the book way of life and It is a book that conclusion of the previous books. The paragraphs,sentences (ayet,sure whatever you like to call it) is progressively written which in a conjunction with science and the life we live today. No need to talk about hearsays and Hadiths just try to live your life according to scripture but try not to make it out of its context. We are all children of God not the soldier of God. We can only be good submitter nothing more nothing less.
MAY GOD PEACE UP ON YOU AND ALL MANKIND.
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Salaam Ziggy,
I'm not too sure about some of what you wrote, but insh'Allah, I hope we can all sincerely ask for guidance and improve accordingly. I know I have made posts today about things which I would normally refrain from getting involved in. I decided to refrain, but a few hours later, I saw a post where a member had addressed me directly. I was going to answer, but then realised that it was best for me not to as there was a danger of my posts becoming more of an egotistical trip rather than serving any productive purpose. My posts up until that point did not seem to have served any productive purpose and I had made the decision not to partake any further, so I thought it best to leave things be.
I sincerely pray that Allah guides me to be better. I pray this for all.
Salaam.
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Peace ZiggyPeace.
I have to stop you and ask you a question!
You have included me with those discussing the " Palestinian issue" and said, Quote
"I have witness recent discussion about Palestine/Israel between the parties of Soloman,Farida,administrator Layth,good logic and with a few more. What i saw in their discussion was not a discussion it was a war of attrition.... Every each of them were drifted and abandoned the real meaning of quaranic discussion"
Please provide the post/s where I did such a thing.
One must be sure before any assumptions are made.
I hope you read the thread again and correct what you said about me.
Peace to you.
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Selam, Good logic,
I understand where you are coming from! I must admit your involvement not as bad as the others! I meant to put his name( the one used the word of S.....t )I can remember his/her name and to tell you the truth I can be bothered go in to that treads and read it all over again cos' don't see the point furthermore I am done here. Nevertheless looking at your posts one would expect much better assertions than that. However I do apologise putting you on same level of that said people involved in that particular discussion.
peace
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Peace Ziggy Peace.
Thank you for that.
There are certain things that must be said . Look at how the Qoran is " very blunt" at times.
I agree,however, that one must be respectful , truthful and honest.
Peace to you.
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Peace es.
Thank you for your kind words.
Join with me the recruitment agency for the " Lord Alone".
God bless you.
Peace.
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Dear Ziggy,
I take offence to your post.
The Quran is not a hippy communne book - but one that teaches us JUSTICE above all else, even if justice has to be enforced with force.
Perhaps you skipped the verses where adulterers are lashed in public, murderers killed, war declared, etc.
But, this side of the Quran is too much for some people who want us to live with injustice and "turn the other cheek" - falsly promoted as the teachings of God through Christ!
Quran is all or nothing...
285 But then here you are killing each other and expelling a group of you from their homes; you act towards them with evil and animosity. And if they come to you as prisoners, you ransom them while it was unlawful for you to expel them! Do you believe in part of the Book and disbelieve in part? The punishment for those among you who do so is humiliation in this worldly life, and on the Day of Resurrection they will be delivered to the most severe retribution. God is not unaware of what you all do.
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Dear Layth
Dear Ziggy,
I take offence to your post.
The Quran is not a hippy communne book - but one that teaches us JUSTICE above all else, even if justice has to be enforced with force.
Perhaps you skipped the verses where adulterers are lashed in public, murderers killed, war declared, etc.
But, this side of the Quran is too much for some people who want us to live with injustice and "turn the other cheek" - falsly promoted as the teachings of God through Christ!
Quran is all or nothing...
285 But then here you are killing each other and expelling a group of you from their homes; you act towards them with evil and animosity. And if they come to you as prisoners, you ransom them while it was unlawful for you to expel them! Do you believe in part of the Book and disbelieve in part? The punishment for those among you who do so is humiliation in this worldly life, and on the Day of Resurrection they will be delivered to the most severe retribution. God is not unaware of what you all do.
First of all I like to make this clear to you; I have never claimed the Quaran was/is hippi communne book. So why should you say such a thing that never been stated by me or anyone else on this site for that matter. In fact my assertions were completely against for whom made that particular discussion not within the conducting of Quaranic discussion i.e given even names on my post. So, I strongly urge you refrain using words of HIPPI COMMUNE book for QUARAN. You may use that sort of wording if someone saying ''It is''. So I am struggling to understand as you stated ''YOU TAKE MY POST AS OFFENCE''!!??? On what ground and reason???? Least to say your response is offensive as such, just like the way you took a part on the said discussion! One would expect, as you are one of the administrators on this site, much better manner of conducting any discussion,let alone Quaranic discussion!
Also. I like to ask you why did you quote above verse? Are you referring to the said discussion took place between you and some others regarding Palestine/Israel issue? If it is, I can assure you I am well aware of that verse and I do know within my own free will how or when should be implemented that's why HIGH AND MIGHTY gave us incredible faculties together with free will. It is not as simple as buying a packet of sugar from the corner shop!!!! Do you understand what I mean?? Understanding and implementing of the verse above differs from person to person e.i some like to stoned the person to death,some like to deal with it amicable way,some deal with it much more humane way or some deal with it capital punishment way!! So as you can see various ways of dealing with oppression, killing,raping,transgression etc. Whichever way you personally prefer just does not make even slightest difference to mine. As you probably use your faculties together with your free will much different than me or others for that matter. End of the day GOD is the knower and HE is the one delivers most severe punishment.
You have stated that ''THIS SIDE OF QUARAN IS TOO MUCH FOR SOME PEOPLE WHO WANTS US TO LIVE INJUSTICE AND TURN THEIR CHEEK and you go to say as falsely promoted as the teaching of GOD through christ'' There is no ONE SIDE or OTHER SIDE of QUARAN my friend. QUARAN is ONE and ONLY book unaltered and totally its contents protected. Jesus(ISA) is chosen by HIGH and MIGHTY just like the rest of the messengers and as far as I am concerned the gospel is the part of the Holly book of QUARAN. In fact, what I believe QUARAN is the conclusion of the all scriptures and books of all. Furthermore, who wants us to live injustice and asks us turn our cheek? We have gifted with wonderful faculties and given FREE WILL to deal with any injustice and wrong doing that goes without saying. GOD IS AWARE OF ALL WHAT WE DO AND HE IS THE LIGHT OF WORLDS.
Finally, Dear Layth, since you are one of the administrator on this site, would you please tell me how can I cancel my account on this site? I could not find any link to do just that here which I find it a bit unusual and peculiar, as most website requires registering as well as gives an option of cancelling membership. I would appreciate it very much. Thank you.
Peace
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Selam, Good logic,
I understand where you are coming from! I must admit your involvement not as bad as the others! I meant to put his name( the one used the word of S.....t )I can remember his/her name and to tell you the truth I can be bothered go in to that treads and read it all over again cos' don't see the point furthermore I am done here. Nevertheless looking at your posts one would expect much better assertions than that. However I do apologise putting you on same level of that said people involved in that particular discussion.
peace
Salam Ziggy
It was the member Pazuzu.
Being the only pro-Israeli debater, I supported Israel in that debate. As I was debating this sensitive issue with Muslims, some members namely huruf, Pazuzu and es threw personal attacks at me. They behaved no different from terrorists and fanatics who chastise others for having a different opinion, religion, ethnicity etc. Even with all these attacks thrown at me, I tried my best to keep the cool from my part and ignored their uncivilized attacks.
It is sad that they did this. May Allah teach them basic etiquettes, tolerance and civility.
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Peace solomon.
Quote who chastise others for having a different opinion, religion, ethnicity etc.
I was also called " Arrogant" by yourself in another thread for no other reason than holding a different opinion from yours.
But I forgive you.
God bless you.
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Peace solomon.
Quote who chastise others for having a different opinion, religion, ethnicity etc.
I was also called " Arrogant" by yourself in another thread for no other reason than holding a different opinion from yours.
But I forgive you.
God bless you.
PeacePeace good logic,
I have no reservation in offering you a formal apology here and now. I'm sorry if my remark hurt you.
Peace.
God bless you too.
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Peace solomon.
Thank you.
May the lord bond the hearts of all the brothers and sisters that seek Him .
Peace.
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Peace "Solomon",
Salam Ziggy
It was the member Pazuzu.
Being the only pro-Israeli debater, I supported Israel in that debate. As I was debating this sensitive issue with Muslims, some members namely huruf, Pazuzu and es threw personal attacks at me. They behaved no different from terrorists and fanatics who chastise others for having a different opinion, religion, ethnicity etc. Even with all these attacks thrown at me, I tried my best to keep the cool from my part and ignored their uncivilized attacks.
It is sad that they did this. May Allah teach them basic etiquettes, tolerance and civility.
I threw "personal attacks" at you? It is not within the realms of impossibility for me to have erred, but I honestly do not recall anything to support your accusation. If I have done so, I sincerely apologise to you, but before I do that I must have evidence of this. As seen as I cannot recall anything which supplements your assertion, please feel free to remind me.
I can see that you still did not understand the point I was making in the aforementioned thread about it having nothing to do with specifically Israel and Palestine, but that is not something I will continue going over.
May Allah guide us all.
Salaam.
Sajda.
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I didn't read the second half.
They behaved no different from terrorists and fanatics who chastise others for having a different opinion, religion, ethnicity etc.
Wow. I don't know what to say. That means I must have been quite clear and forthright in "throwing personal attacks" at you. Yet, I don't recall it. I really would like you to point it out to me, and if there is anything out of order, I would gladly offer you the most sincerest of apologies.
Salaam.
Sajda.
