WHAT DOES AYAT 10:15 MEAN...?
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PEACE IDOL
PREIST The problem with your position is that it validates the use of the hadiths as a legitimate source of guidance, because many of them are truthful, hence, on what grounds can we effectively tell the sunni and shias they are wrong in consulting them?
We have no grounds to tell them that.
Of course we have grounds to tell this, in fact, we are obligated to. Allah, has made it clear time again He guides and nothing else, and, that He guides through His Quran
If they read that one should treat parents kindly in Buckari's hadith, that that statement is from the God, but if they read to drink camels urine, that is false. As a body of work (which is how they are viewed) they are unacceptable for guidance because they contradict, individually we have to look at each one and verify its truthfulness.
Where do you get this notion we are to look each one and verify its truthfulness? Allah, has commanded us to study Al-Quran for our guidance and nothing else. If a particular Bukharian hadith is supported by Al-Quran, then that hadith is redundant, becuase Allah has already stated that truth. Allah's Hadith doesn't require the validation of other hadiths. To support your position is to be indicted by 1015, in that, to attempt to authenticate non-Quranic hadiths is to look to "bring another quran".
PRIEST Your position makes Allah's point and my point that, 1015 isn't referring to a "line" or "lines" or "passages" as "a quran", but rather, a "body of work" as a quran. Al-Quran is a body of work given for our spiritual, material/social development/guidance and for the salvation of our souls.
Okay, we can go in circles if you want, please tell me how many lines" or "passages" are needed to constitute a body of work?
This is where common sense/intellect comes in, Kyle. I'm quite certain you can determine what distinguishes a body of work from a line/lines or a passage, am I correct?
We got to 7435 to prove a point which is that this reading is ONE OF MANY, yet one of the greatest.
The point is though that, the Messenger, was given the Last Revelation/Quran/Hadith/Message/Guidance from Allah, hence, what Message/Reading will one believe after that?
- Then what hadith, after that, will they believe in?
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Peace be upon you PB,
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We have no grounds to tell them that.Of course we have grounds to tell this, in fact, we are obligated to. Allah, has made it clear time again He guides and nothing else, and, that He guides through His Quran
Yes, his reading(quran) is ANY TRUTHFUL STATEMENT/MESSAGE and we judge by TRUTH. This reading happens to be one of the greatest TOOLS by which to be guided.
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If they read that one should treat parents kindly in Buckari's hadith, that that statement is from the God, but if they read to drink camels urine, that is false. As a body of work (which is how they are viewed) they are unacceptable for guidance because they contradict, individually we have to look at each one and verify its truthfulness.Where do you get this notion we are to look each one and verify its truthfulness? Allah, has commanded us to study Al-Quran for our guidance and nothing else. If a particular Bukharian hadith is supported by Al-Quran, then that hadith is redundant, becuase Allah has already stated that truth. Allah's Hadith doesn't require the validation of other hadiths. To support your position is to be indicted by 1015, in that, to attempt to authenticate non-Quranic hadiths is to look to "bring another quran".
Perhaps one day you will reflect and understand what I am saying. Is what Musa said redundant because Arbaham was already here and said it first? Truth is Truth.
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Okay, we can go in circles if you want, please tell me how many lines" or "passages" are needed to constitute a body of work?This is where common sense/intellect comes in, Kyle. I'm quite certain you can determine what distinguishes a body of work from a line/lines or a passage, am I correct?
No, I do not know, please inform me.
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We got to 7435 to prove a point which is that this reading is ONE OF MANY, yet one of the greatest.The point is though that, the Messenger, was given the Last Revelation/Quran/Hadith/Message/Guidance from Allah, hence, what Message/Reading will one believe after that?
- Then what hadith, after that, will they believe in?
No, the prophet recieves the TRUTH, and after hearing the TRUTH, what other story is even of interest?
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PEACE IDOL
PREIST Of course we have grounds to tell them this, in fact, we are obligated to. Allah, has made it clear time again He guides and nothing else, and, that He guides through His Quran
Yes, his reading(quran) is ANY TRUTHFUL STATEMENT/MESSAGE and we judge by TRUTH. This reading happens to be one of the greatest TOOLS by which to be guided.
So, by your logic if a someone comes to you and says...percentage wise the N.Y. Yankees were a better team than the Houston Astros last year, and that being the truth, would constitute a reading from Allah...is this your position?
PRIEST Where do you get this notion we are to look each one and verify its truthfulness? Allah, has commanded us to study Al-Quran for our guidance and nothing else. If a particular Bukharian hadith is supported by Al-Quran, then that hadith is redundant, becuase Allah has already stated that truth. Allah's Hadith doesn't require the validation of other hadiths. To support your position is to be indicted by 1015, in that, to attempt to authenticate non-Quranic hadiths is to look to "bring another quran".
Perhaps one day you will reflect and understand what I am saying. Is what Musa said redundant because Arbaham was already here and said it first? Truth is Truth.
Please reflect on this, Kyle...we don't know for a fact/certitude what Musa or Abraham said other than what Allah said they said in Al-Quran...now do we, yes or no?
PRIEST This is where common sense/intellect comes in, Kyle. I'm quite certain you can determine what distinguishes a body of work from a line/lines or a passage, am I correct?
No, I do not know, please inform me.
Main Entry BODY OF WORK the total output of a writer or artist (or a substantial part of it).
I really don't think a line or some lines or a passage would qualify as a body of work, especially, given the comprehensiveness of Allah's Quran/Body of Work. Ayat 1015, if one uses one's commom sense/intellect, is speaking to a comprhensive body of work which could be either substituted for Allah's Quran or used as a supplement to it.
PRIEST The point is though that, the Messenger, was given the Last Revelation/Quran/Hadith/Message/Guidance from Allah, hence, what Message/Reading will one believe after that?
- Then what hadith, after that, will they believe in?
No, the prophet recieves the TRUTH, and after hearing the TRUTH, what other story is even of interest?
Yes, the Messenger received the truth and it is contained between the "two binders" of the Book/Recital/Hadith of Allah...Al-Quran.
5234 Let them then produce a recital like unto it,- If (it be) they speak the truth!
5234 Falyatoo bihadeethin mithlihi in kanoo sadiqeena.
As I said, 1015 precludes the use of any other body of work for one's guidance/salvation of one's soul, other than The Book/Al-Quran. Please reflect on this before responding.