How are lexicon books/grammar books/dictionaries different from ahadith?
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salaam,
The other day I was reading what opposers of Quran alone ideologies have written, and came across something along the lines of; how can they not follow ahadith books but at the same time follow classical dictionaries that were written in the same time or something like that. This kind of got my attention.
Those who follow a Quran based islam do not consider Traditional Hadith as compulsory, nor other man-made books, e.g. Classical Arabic dictionaries (CAD), grammar books. So we are not "following" them.
Traditional Hadith are a mix of truth and falsehood. Similarly, CAD will contain errors/etc. I think it is reasonable to suggest CAD will likely be less biased, less politically influenced etc but that does not mean they are bias/error free.
If we use CAD and grammar books to understand Quran (like we use other sources, e.g. biology, geology etc), that's fine, as long as we bear in mind Quran will be our ultimate criterion.
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salaam,
Those who follow a Quran based islam do not consider Traditional Hadith as compulsory, nor other man-made books, e.g. Classical Arabic dictionaries (CAD), grammar books. So we are not "following" them.
Traditional Hadith are a mix of truth and falsehood. Similarly, CAD will contain errors/etc. I think it is reasonable to suggest CAD will likely be less biased, less politically influenced etc but that does not mean they are bias/error free.
If we use CAD and grammar books to understand Quran (like we use other sources, e.g. biology, geology etc), that's fine, as long as we bear in mind Quran will be our ultimate criterion.
Well said.
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salaam,
Those who follow a Quran based islam do not consider Traditional Hadith as compulsory, nor other man-made books, e.g. Classical Arabic dictionaries (CAD), grammar books. So we are not "following" them.
Traditional Hadith are a mix of truth and falsehood. Similarly, CAD will contain errors/etc. I think it is reasonable to suggest CAD will likely be less biased, less politically influenced etc but that does not mean they are bias/error free.
If we use CAD and grammar books to understand Quran (like we use other sources, e.g. biology, geology etc), that's fine, as long as we bear in mind Quran will be our ultimate criterion.
salaam Wakas
Finally sun
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Peace All.
There is a very important criteria missed , to understand Qoran.
Using CAD, grammar books, hadith ... and relying solely on these will be wishful thinking!
Peace.
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Salaaman brother,
I don't found your reply to be wrong or rude, specially when you corrected me by saying "you yourself didn't bring up any verse in your reply". So, I am thankful that you pointed out, inshaAllah, I will take care of it in my future replies.
And thank you very much for all the aayaat. I think 4458 makes it all clear , but 144 is very clear about it . To me, 122 is referring to alKitaab mentioned in 121.
427 is talking about alQuraan when we take it in reference to 619 where the word alQuraan is used.
26193-194 is not talking what you wrote bro. I see it as "Roohu alAmeen came down with it" 26193. Please take a look at other translations here. Also take a look at 162 to understand 26193 correctly. You can also click here to see other translations of 162.
Hope this may be helpful inshaAllah.
May Allah bless you and guide us to His path pr
mmKhanWipes sweat off forehead that's a relief.
It was a mistake, they are two different verses, but by mistake I wrote the same reference for both. It was actually 4458 and 1997.
Okay, we'll dismiss 122, I too believe that at times there is a distinction made between Al Quran and Al Kitab.
I believe I understand what you believe about 26193,however, that was not the reason why I posted the verse. I used it for the part which says 'Upon your heart', which I believe should help us as well.
Your links were of great benefit, I actually didn't even know corpus.quran.com had that section lol although I've been using the site since a year.
salaam,
Those who follow a Quran based islam do not consider Traditional Hadith as compulsory, nor other man-made books, e.g. Classical Arabic dictionaries (CAD), grammar books. So we are not "following" them.
Traditional Hadith are a mix of truth and falsehood. Similarly, CAD will contain errors/etc. I think it is reasonable to suggest CAD will likely be less biased, less politically influenced etc but that does not mean they are bias/error free.
If we use CAD and grammar books to understand Quran (like we use other sources, e.g. biology, geology etc), that's fine, as long as we bear in mind Quran will be our ultimate criterion.
Salam,
Ah, bro, I love your approach to text. I didn't even notice how the word 'Follow' can make such a difference.
As for your take on CAD and grammar books, that's quite beautifully summed up as well. The thing is, as long as we are not taking any man written book as something of equal caliber as God's book, and ultimately use His book as the final judge over everything, there shouldn't be anything wrong in taking knowledge from other sources. However, this is not as easy to do as it is to say, because sometimes, we may not even know it, and we may be setting up the authors of such books, or our own ego as lords besides God.
The only that is left from that point, is comparing between man written books, and like you said, CAD and grammar books have a much lesser tendency to be influenced by corrupt intentions, politics, and bias than ahadith books.
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Good, thanks for the replies guys.
Now I too have something to say
Salam brother,
Anyway, I'll point out the verses which revolve around this topic, perhaps we can all ponder upon them and finally decide what they mean
So indeed, We have made it easy with/in your tongue, that they may take heed/remember
Indeed, We have sent it down an Arabic reading/recitation (The word used is Quran as an indefinite noun) that you may understand/reflect upon
And thus We have inspired to you an Arabic reading/recitation (The word used is Quran as an indefinite noun) that you may warn mother of the towns and whoever around her/it
So indeed, We have made it easy with/in your tongue, that you may give tiding with it the Muttaqin
And We did not send any messenger except with tongue of his people, so that he may make clear to them
Has brought it down the trustworthy Ruh (Spirit?) upon your heart, that you may be of the warnersWhat do you think? This is quite an interesting topic.
salaam Fallen Angel
Indeed this is quite an interesting topic, especially if all of sudden someone comes along and says; 'Allow me to teach you Quranic Arabic in English' hmm
salaam
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salaam Fallen Angel
Indeed this is quite an interesting topic, especially if all of sudden someone comes along and says; 'Allow me to teach you Quranic Arabic in English' hmm
salaam
Salam farida,
Indeed, it is an interesting topic. But if you don't mind, I smell sarcasm in your comment, am I right?
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Salam farida,
Indeed, it is an interesting topic. But if you don't mind, I smell sarcasm in your comment, am I right?
Salaam Fallen Angel
No way! No sarcasm in this post, but yes I admit there was a hint in my previous post to good logic, which was only in return to his.
Please think positively about what I said above. I felt your approach was very positive.salaam
PS I won't reply to any more posts, I have other important work to do, I leave you to hmm. -
Salaam Fallen Angel
No way! No sarcasm in this post, but yes I admit there was a hint in my previous post to good logic, which was only in return to his.
Please think positively about what I said above. I felt your approach was very positive.salaam
PS I won't reply to any more posts, I have other important work to do, I leave you to hmm.Oh okay, sorry, I just had this preconceived idea that you and Mazhar were having some discussions which didn't seem too, I dunno, positive. So I thought maybe.......but forget it. Never mind ;D
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Peace Fallen Angel.
My point is without " Total submission" to the author of the Qoran, and sincerity to want to study/understand His word without other motives, we simply cannot understand them.
All other aids are here as trials and tribulations. Obstacles that can be good or bad.
How are we to use CAD, grammar books, dictionaries to translate the following
And understand what it really means to you?
Peace.
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peace bro MMKhan,
where can we get the attawrat and injeel that The God is talking about. are they extinct?Peace brother kaamil,
Nope nope they are not extinct. If you refer to the aayaat that I quoted i.e., 544 about alTawraat and 547 about alInjeel, you will see they still exist. But sorry, I don't know where and how can we find it.
May Allah bless you and guide us to His path pr
mmKhan
