Is Hijra from Yemen to Arabian side of Persian Gulf?

[noshirk]

Salaam Mirjamnur

i read the book josua yesterday- i must say that i am shocked- to much murder to much violence- women ,children, old, animals, and all this with permission and wish from God?? -[ i become a big problem if i think that this part of the bible speaks from the same God-

The speech at the end of the book of Joshua seems to me similar to the Quran, but the beginning?
I'm sorry, for me it takes a lot of rethinking until Joshua bin can be accepted as Isa.

I don't think also that all that murder occured really. I don't believe that God stopeed the sun as Yeshau requested. I don't believe also that meriem was punished by God and made leprous for example.
However Book Of Josua is an interesting Book. Brother Pazuzu, in his last E-Book, used it to pick names of places for locating, geographically, where it happened. Old testament worth reading and it should be done carefully.
What i retain from that book is that Yeshua is, for jews, the liberator of the promised land. A great hero and great Prophet.

From quran it is clear that moses is uncle of Issa. Rejectors of this fact invented all possibles lies as brother doesnt mean brother, Aaron is another aaron, Imran is another Imran....
So when you search for a nephew of Moses, described as spiritual son, a man with name Jesus (Yeshua) appears. It is said to us that he is Bin Nun and that he accomplished all what jews are waiting from the Messiah. Funny no ?
Just for fun try type BIN and NUN here http//www.edenics.net/english-to-hebrew.aspx

Of Course, you know that i think that Isa made many others things other than killing animals

What do you do then with the passages of the Quran, which point to the crucifixion took place? The Quran not denies the event as such, it merely showed that Jesus is not die on the cross.

I suppose you mean the verse 4-157 wo says there was no killing and no crucifixion and that all was a "theater play" (shobbiha lahom).

4157 And their saying "We have killed the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, messenger of God!" And they had not killed him, nor crucified him, but it appeared to them as if they had. And those who dispute are in doubt regarding him, they have no knowledge except to follow conjecture; they did not kill him for a certainty.

it is impossible for me to accept interpretion of "crucifixion but no killing" when it is clearly said that there was NO crucifixion. I know many people can do that but i cannot.

Please note also that it is not so obvious that the word Salb , traduced by crucificion , means crucifixion.
it seems even impossible according to this verse
2071 He (Firaoun) said "Have you believed to him before taking my permission? He is surely your great one who has taught you magic. So, I will cut off (iqtaa) your hands and feet from alternate sides, and I will (salb) crucify you on the trunks of the palm trees, and you will come to know which of us is greater in retribution and more lasting!"

it seems no obvious also that crucifixion was praticed in era of Moses

Also information on the celibacy in the Quran or of monks suggests rather that simple old legends were composed and added around the historical figure of Isa , this has happened every where in the world.

??? ??? ?

Another point what is with the coins with muhammad rasul Allah + a cross?
A hint for the fact, that Muhammad was always a title for every sincere prophet??
Peace and i wait for your answer.

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kalam= word Jesus=Kalam Allah= Word of Allah= Quran, not?

sorry but it seems that i said someting wrong. Difference between qala and kalima is not so obvious.
even arabic dictionnaries are not clear.

However, looking at all appearances of word kalima in quran (the best method of understanding a quranic word), it seems that kalima, in singular mode, means also promise/commandt.
Thus isa =kalima Allah seems to mean Isa is the promise/command of God to Mariam.
For that i will pickonly these verses
345 And the angels said "O Mary, God gives you glad tidings of a Kalima from Him. His name is the Messiah, Isa, son of Mary. Honorable in this world and in the Hereafter, and from among those who are made close."
4171 O people of the Book, do not overstep in your system, nor say about God except the truth. Isa, son of Mary, was a messenger of God and a word (KALIMA) thrown to Mary and a Spirit from Him. So believe in God and His messengers,....
1033 It was thus that the command (KALIMA) of your Lord came against those who were wicked, for they did not believe.
1019 The people were but one nation, then they differed. And had it not been for a previous command (KALIMA) from your Lord, the matter would have been immediately judged between them for what they differed.

whatever be the meaning of kalima, the interpertation Isa is the word of Allah cannot be the spiritual gadget as the ones that loves the prophets worshippers.
Isa was a human and the following verse is clear
4251 And it is not for any human being that God would speak to him (youkallimou), except through inspiration (Wah'y), or from behind a barrier (hijab), or by sending a messenger to inspire (wah'y) whom He wills with His permission. He is Most High, Wise.

only 3 methods.

Peace

[mirjamnur]

Salam noshirk

Salaam Mirjamnur

I don't think also that all that murder occured really. I don't believe that God stopeed the sun as Yeshau requested. I don't believe also that meriem was punished by God and made leprous for example.
However Book Of Josua is an interesting Book. Brother Pazuzu, in his last E-Book, used it to pick names of places for locating, geographically, where it happened. Old testament worth reading and it should be done carefully.
What i retain from that book is that Yeshua is, for jews, the liberator of the promised land. A great hero and great Prophet.

i read bible many times but never complete, for this reason to much war, violation, etc. etc. No wonder, if Zionist leaders think they can kill all others when they found it in their holy book and take it for serious... yes i think more then the half we must forget- i become doubt for all the existent 'holy' books (bible and it contents) we NEVER found anything similar in the Quran.

From quran it is clear that moses is uncle of Issa. Rejectors of this fact invented all possibles lies as brother doesnt mean brother, Aaron is another aaron, Imran is another Imran....
So when you search for a nephew of Moses, described as spiritual son, a man with name Jesus (Yeshua) appears. It is said to us that he is Bin Nun and that he accomplished all what jews are waiting from the Messiah. Funny no ?
Just for fun try type BIN and NUN here http//www.edenics.net/english-to-hebrew.aspx

thank you much for the link- it's amazing...

Of Course, you know that i think that Isa made many others things other than killing animals i hope so
I suppose you mean the verse 4-157 wo says there was no killing and no crucifixion and that all was a "theater play" (shobbiha lahom).

4157 And their saying "We have killed the Messiah, Jesus, son of Mary, messenger of God!" And they had not killed him, nor crucified him, but it appeared to them as if they had. And those who dispute are in doubt regarding him, they have no knowledge except to follow conjecture; they did not kill him for a certainty.

it is impossible for me to accept interpretion of "crucifixion but no killing" when it is clearly said that there was NO crucifixion. I know many people can do that but i cannot.
i read the passage again and again and i think yes, you are complete right- Quran says it clear and it seems to be an interpretation made by scholars to fit the story in the NT with the Quran. Thank you for clarification. handshake

Please note also that it is not so obvious that the word Salb , traduced by crucificion , means crucifixion.
it seems even impossible according to this verse
2071 He (Firaoun) said "Have you believed to him before taking my permission? He is surely your great one who has taught you magic. So, I will cut off (iqtaa) your hands and feet from alternate sides, and I will (salb) crucify you on the trunks of the palm trees, and you will come to know which of us is greater in retribution and more lasting!"

it seems no obvious also that crucifixion was praticed in era of Moses

??? ??? ???? ?

my english... Quran speaks from the Christian tradition to serve God as monk (or nun) and God say that He didn't order them to do so. this fact seems to point to a historical Isa as a pious, modest and humble and without means. (or maybe i am again under control my previous learned stuff ...?? because Isa can be a hero and humble and modest... )

sorry but it seems that i said someting wrong. Difference between qala and kalima is not so obvious.
even arabic dictionnaries are not clear. no problem and i like you more again - only wise people can acceptl when they was wrong

However, looking at all appearances of word kalima in quran (the best method of understanding a quranic word), it seems that kalima, in singular mode, means also promise/commandt.
Thus isa =kalima Allah seems to mean Isa is the promise/command of God to Mariam.
For that i will pickonly these verses
345 And the angels said "O Mary, God gives you glad tidings of a Kalima from Him. His name is the Messiah, Isa, son of Mary. Honorable in this world and in the Hereafter, and from among those who are made close."
4171 O people of the Book, do not overstep in your system, nor say about God except the truth. Isa, son of Mary, was a messenger of God and a word (KALIMA) thrown to Mary and a Spirit from Him. So believe in God and His messengers,....
1033 It was thus that the command (KALIMA) of your Lord came against those who were wicked, for they did not believe.
1019 The people were but one nation, then they differed. And had it not been for a previous command (KALIMA) from your Lord, the matter would have been immediately judged between them for what they differed.

very nice thoughts indeed! thank you, the first time i think that i understand the Quranic term 'kalam' Allah. Thanks

whatever be the meaning of kalima, the interpertation Isa is the word of Allah cannot be the spiritual gadget as the ones that loves the prophets worshippers.
Isa was a human and the following verse is clear
4251 And it is not for any human being that God would speak to him (youkallimou), except through inspiration (Wah'y), or from behind a barrier (hijab), or by sending a messenger to inspire (wah'y) whom He wills with His permission. He is Most High, Wise.

only 3 methods.

Said i something different?

Sura 20 9- 14
Sura 277-9
Sura 2829-30 God speak with Musa through the fire (hijab) but direct, i.e. Musa hear the voice from God, or i understand again wrong?

Peace

peace peace

[noshirk]

Said i something different?

Sura 20 9- 14
Sura 277-9
Sura 2829-30 God speak with Musa through the fire (hijab) but direct, i.e. Musa hear the voice from God, or i understand again wrong?

Salaam mirjamnur
i have to recognize that i never thinked or read anything about this problem before your questions.
We are thinking together as students of Allah.

From my understanding, and from a logical point of view, there is only 3 Methods of Communication between an Human and his God
4251 And it is not for any human being that God would speak to him (youkallimou), except through
1 inspiration (Wah'y),
2 or from behind a barrier (hijab),
3 or by sending a messenger to inspire (wah'y) whom He wills with His permission. He is Most High, Wise.

so Communication beween Moses and God is one of the three.
it seems that God don't use voice canal but prefer "Wahy" canal (method 1) to it.
Method 2 seems to mean indirect method (dream, coincidence, direct wrinting on mind ?...)
Method 3 is clear

In verses you gave, by elimination only method 1 remains for Moses. Method 3 confirms that Method 1 is used for messengers of God.

Really i don't know more. I have to work more on word Wahy. it is not clear to me how it works. it seems there is something like spirit and angels there.
Peace

[noshirk]

From quran it is clear that moses is uncle of Issa. Rejectors of this fact invented all possibles lies as brother doesnt mean brother, Aaron is another aaron, Imran is another Imran....
So when you search for a nephew of Moses, described as spiritual son, a man with name Jesus (Yeshua) appears. It is said to us that he is Bin Nun and that he accomplished all what jews are waiting from the Messiah. Funny no ?
Just for fun try type BIN and NUN here http//www.edenics.net/english-to-hebrew.aspx

thank you much for the link- it's amazing...

Salaam Mirjamnur

Just for fun also, let listen to a theological jewish answer
http//www.chabad.org/parshah/article_cdo/aid/533436/jewish/Why-Is-Joshua-Referred-to-As-Bin-Nun.htm

and read some hebrew linguistics
http//www.hebrew4christians.com/Grammar/Unit_One/Aleph-Bet/Nun/nun.html
Peace

[mirjamnur]

Salam noshirk

Salaam Mirjamnur

Just for fun also, let listen to a theological jewish answer
http//www.chabad.org/parshah/article_cdo/aid/533436/jewish/Why-Is-Joshua-Referred-to-As-Bin-Nun.htm

and read some hebrew linguistics
http//www.hebrew4christians.com/Grammar/Unit_One/Aleph-Bet/Nun/nun.html
Peace

Chatam Sofer (Rabbi Moses Sofer, 1762?1839) offers another homiletic explanation. According to the Midrash5, when Gd changed Sarai?s name to Sarah6, the Hebrew letter yud, which was removed from the name (to be substituted with a hei), felt wronged. Why was it no longer part of the name of this holy woman? Gd placated the letter by promising to make amends at a future date. This was accomplished when Moses added the letter yud to Joshua?s name (Yehoshua), which was originally Hoshea. 7

In its original state, when it was the final letter of Sarai?s name, the yud did not have a vowel?as is the case with most letters which come at the end of a Hebrew word or name. Now, in order to be the yud which begins the name Joshua, it would need the sheva vowel, which is comprised of two dots vertically aligned. These two dots were ?borrowed? from the segol vowel which normally is beneath the word ben, which is three dots set up as a triangle. This leaves only one dot for the word ben. One dot is the chirik vowel, which changes the pronunciation to ?bin.?
...... ;D )

Salaam mirjamnur
i have to recognize that i never thinked or read anything about this problem before your questions.
We are thinking together as students of Allah.

From my understanding, and from a logical point of view, there is only 3 Methods of Communication between an Human and his God
4251 And it is not for any human being that God would speak to him (youkallimou), except through
1 inspiration (Wah'y),
2 or from behind a barrier (hijab),
3 or by sending a messenger to inspire (wah'y) whom He wills with His permission. He is Most High, Wise.

so Communication beween Moses and God is one of the three.
it seems that God don't use voice canal but prefer "Wahy" canal (method 1) to it.
Method 2 seems to mean indirect method (dream, coincidence, direct wrinting on mind ?...)
Method 3 is clear

In verses you gave, by elimination only method 1 remains for Moses. Method 3 confirms that Method 1 is used for messengers of God.

Really i don't know more. I have to work more on word Wahy. it is not clear to me how it works. it seems there is something like spirit and angels there.
Peace

from my side, i think the 3 method point to an inspiration through a messenger as Jibril- the 1 method is an inspiration as the mother of Musa received it. (dream, voice, feeling ...) but the second method for me points to Musa indirect because there is a hijab between in the case from Musa the fire.
And Allah knows the best.
for the Question of wahi - i became last week an article from a brother
http//quransmessage.com/articles/inspiration%20FM3.htm see also the links that he suggests to read.
Peace peace

[Zenith]

We know from Quran that Muhammad was near people of lot, in a place where were living people of thamud and Aad. (15-76;37-137 and 37-138; 11-81 to 11-83). History tell us (mainly for kingdom of Aad) that it is near region of Hadramout (hadhara el maout means Death has come in Arabic).
http//i1203.photobucket.com/albums/bb386/Gorefiendel/yemenmap2.gif
Source and more on brother Pazuzu thread here http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9603245.60

The town of LOT was still able to be seen on Mohammads time because the Koran tells them to look at the ruins and what God did to it and remember!!!. Saying that, the ruins of LOT's town should still be viewable to this day. If they are in the Yemen then it shouldn't be to hard to find them around the places you circled being Thamud.

[noshirk]

salaam Zenith

i don't know.
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%CA%BF%C4%80d (ad people?)
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabian_Plate (tectonic)

Read posts (and E-books) of brother pazuzu, he is more qualified than me in history and archeology.

Peace

[NOMAD]

Salaam to all sorry for my absence in posts hope you all in peace in shaa Allah pr

i just dont know about mekka and medinah in Quran and also babil ..but rest of peoples/tribes/comunityes are located in hadramouth to asir areas.. Ad are sucessors of Nuh, people of thamud are after ad, then you have musa that goes to the city in litoral, median and misr.. then you gor amran of pillars and jbel xuaib, then ar-rass and aleika are mentioned to be in yemen too. just check quran from saudi complex and the footnotes there let the clear view...

the answer lies in surat of dunes.. yes Muhamed been there... when Allah says and we made cities around you as exemple is not just parable and is not far cities as cairo or jerusalem.. but close cities.. or maybe not cities some villages instead--Qariat
titles of Dhu is very comon in this areas, and the title of bait for family

OUT OF TOPIC BUT (many atual muslim tradition comes from hindu culture hair offering, circumbulating and trow of stones, venerations of saints, pilgrimage between locals, pay tribute(zakat as they trnslate) to gods .. etc ..interesting ive been reading bhagvad gita and speak about Marout-as being gods of thunder and wind belonging to Indra host.in singular menaing god of winds. so this was a legacy from hindu culture wihtin idolworshipers.. so a hindu god of winds become an angel in babylon..strange.. i defenitly conseil everyone to take time to read bhagvad gitta, its an epic sotory but the most funny is that is very close to Quran ideas for one-self and relation with 1 only Creator.(knowledge never take space nor time)
I think this is the topic within Quran im more sure than salat or any ritual act in Quran.
if we can fix history many of the rest will change and become more evident and locical..
brother pazuzu and frends works are a good exemple of new mentality and view on this subject..

Salaam still digging for more like a lemming.. O0 sun peace

[noshirk]

salaam NOMAD

i like the photo of your profile
i have read in wikipedia that Etymology of Zaratustra seems to be ?the one who is driving camels?

it seems that camels are from arabia.

Tradition travels and return.
Hope you have read my post on God and Magogs Waves. (http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9604222.0)

However, i might be wrong. I have now a new Hypothesis for ZUL QARNEIN.
Peace

[NOMAD]

Salaam thank you for the answer borhter i will read about gog and magog , i read something brother pazuzu post about babil being on yemen..(not sure if was him) anyway i also will read 2 ebook of brother pazuzu wich i still dindt had the time,maybe today O0
well in begining when i start to read Quran withouth hadith or anything.. i got the ideia of this events being on yemen and souroundings by the footnots of the 1st Quran i get ..after having 2version from meka i just compiled footnotes and become cristal clear.. but mekah and medinah as i mentioned still get me confused but in shaa Allah with time we will find..

We should open a thread about fauna and flora (animals and vegetals) etc in Quran and cheek origins.. frankincense,dates,camels, are surly from arabia and never in persia or jerusalem..

what i get from hadith is that is a compilation of hindu with zaroastrian and prearabic rituals a good mix of it... but in between you got an hadith that says that islam will wein when peace will reast between asir and hadramouth, and other saying that someone ask prophet where faith comes and he pointed to Yemen..(later i try find some more hadith on yemen subjects)

if i meet aladin i will wish just to make arqueology possible from medinah to eden and from asir to hadramouth.. chek everyhing... eat ) under the sands many misteries lay.. and they just see arqueology suspicious..imagine the turns it will give to world in general..so they just stay very quiet.. voodoo tempt

Thanks picture is like stand alone in light even if need to cross a desert to see tranquility..against windstorms,thunder,thirst,darkness,fear,anger,hate,etc not just in material action but spiritual quoting. fftopic laugh

SAlaam/PEACE/PAIX/SHALOM/PAZ

[noshirk]

Salaam All

i have to add two remarks.

First one comes from the second E-Book of brother Pazuzu where he spoke about the qamatians i mentionned in the first post of this thread.
in page 61 , brother Pazuzu spokes about Qaramita.
he said that they were a YEMENI Clan who were among the first who embrace islam.

If it is true, wa have a proof that people who were among the first to embrace islam, from Yemen (when Amana of God is given ?) migrated to region of old Bahrein whose capital was Hajar. We have also evidence that those people didn(t recognize Hijaz.

The second interesting remark concern the hypothesis that Nassara are the Zoroasters persians.
It is obvious that if Jesus is not Issa then Nassara cannot be whatever sect linked to jesus. Nassara are not christaions, not nestorians, not ...

From the geopgraphic point of view, Islam as preached by Muhammad rose between the roman empire at the west at persian ampire at the east.

2177 Piety is not to turn your faces towards the east and the west, but pious is one who believes in God and the Last Day....

This verse can then be usderstood as don't follow persians/nassara and jews/romans. The same meaning of course exist in other verses speaking about nassara and yahood.

but verse 2-113 is the more interesting.
2113 And the Jews say "The Nassara have no basis," and the Nassara says "The Jews have no basis," while they are both reciting the Book! Similarly, those who do not know have said the same thing. God will judge between them on the Day of Resurrection.

We know that Christians and jews share at least the old testament. 2-113 is saying quite that Nassara and Jews share nothing.
of course, we know that Issa never hold "gospel" who pretend to be injeel in his Hand.

for me, it is now obvious that Nassara are persians and that all christians even the new pope are Yahood.

Peace

[Man_of_Faith]

Thanks for hinting me in that direction, I am going to investigate in Iran and Persepolis, enshallah.

God bless you

[noshirk]

Salaam All

4824 And He is the One who withheld their hands against you, and your hands against them in the interior (Batni) of Mecca, after He had made you victorious over them. God is Seer of what you do.

in arabic, Jehenem (hell) is obtained by addition of word Jenna and two letters Ha and Mim

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i traduct meaning of ha and mim is dissolution.
so Jehennem can be understood and the hole where souls are dissolved. Dictionnary says also

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I traduct Jehennem =profound depth.

Now, we know all what mean Rahm. It is the womb.
Original womb for our souls is of course Jenna.
Rahman is the one who expels from Rahm and Rahim is the forgiver who accept again the expelled souls in the rahm.

Opposite of Original Womb would be an empty venter. a hole aspiring all rejectors.
in arabic, Mekka means

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I traduct Makaka means aspire something until it ends.

So BATNI mekkata can means the aspiring womb, wich means hells.

Now, we can have a new traduction for 48-24
4824 And He is the One who separate your hands from their hands and their hands for your hands while you were in the aspiring womb after He had made you victorious over them. God is Seer of what you do.

God prevented readers of Quran from following others arbabs (educators) than him.
it is a simple remind for followers of persians story tellers.

Good night for aspired people in pilgrimnages and prayers towards batni mekkata.

[noshirk]

salaam all

after the BATNI precedding Mecca wich mean aspire let see meaning of Bacca

so Bacca can means a crowded place and perhaps is not a name of a city.
so Abraham would have built the first temple in a crowded place and there is no Bacca on a map.

it is interesting to compare with verses 6-92,42-7 who says that Muhammad had to tansmit the message to the "mother" of villages.
Please note that after Hijra, Muhammad returned to the region from where he was expulsed and where there was his family (48-12).
in that region, it is obvious that there was two important cities (43-31)

Peace

[noshirk]

Salaam

I am asking help for Yathrib

Applying the arabic dictionnary methodology we find this

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Tharb=Tallow on the intestines and innards (ggogle traduction)
and this

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Here we are told that Nabi changed name of yathrib because it was "a blaming and shaming." name ???

How it is possible that people of such a town accepted such a name before islam ?

Now, if Yathrib is also not a name of a town
3313 And a group of them said ?O people of Yathrib (greasiness/flab of Hell), there is no station for you, so come back.? And a small party of them sought permission from the prophet, saying ?Our homes are exposed,? while they were not exposed. They just wanted to flee.

it can fit but i don't know what to think. It solves the problem of why only people of Yathrib "want to flee" while 3312 is speaking about hypocrites in general ???

is it possible that no city called Yathrib never existed ?
Is it possible that neither Bacca nor Mekka nor Yathrib are cities names ?
I tried to read about this subject. Really i cannot get a conclusion.

Something is telling me that quite nothing happened in hijaz before Abbasides.
when i try follow sources, i always find a member of the team of persian storytellers behind.
Greasiness of Yathrib annoys me.

Peace

[noshirk]

http//farm4.staticflickr.com/3519/4081867943_0b04949894_d.jpg
disappeared photo of old bahrein.
Peace

[Bender]

Salaam

is it possible that no city called Yathrib never existed ?
Is it possible that neither Bacca nor Mekka nor Yathrib are cities names ?
I tried to read about this subject. Really i cannot get a conclusion.

Something is telling me that quite nothing happened in hijaz before Abbasides.
when i try follow sources, i always find a member of the team of persian storytellers behind.
Greasiness of Yathrib annoys me.

Peace

Salaam,

As far as I know there is not a single name of a city or country in The Quran.

Salaam,
Bender

[noshirk]

As far as I know there is not a single name of a city or country in The Quran.

interesting.
not easy to proove the contrary. i have to verify.
If so, there is no reason House of Mickey in disneyland cannot pretend to be a Kaaba for next centuries. Many are already doing pilgrimnage there.

Peace

[NOMAD]

Salaam

Of course median thamud misr etc are places or regions.. thats way Qariat--mean villages or small locations where Messengers been sent.. MEKKAH acording to a sunni book introduction to islam in my language says Makkah mean erradicate/exterminate.
and much thanks for info Noshirk.still didnt had the time i wish to read 2book of pazuzu and to investigate some stuff deeper..
just some off topic points if youread suratu alhijr you get picture of the 2 towns/locations of lot..and not sodoma and gomorrah..but Al ayka and al hijr..
medinah of course is not actual medina because theres many palces in quran wherr medina is simple translated s city.. and this is not a new..
but because history is all revolved people simple dont bealive in Quran Narrative,places,facts,etc.. and tend to say its just a story .. i dont think so, Allah make proves/signs for one who meditates /ponder and search trought earth the meanings and truth hiden.. in point of view in sands of yemen and souroundings..

Salaam to all pr

[noshirk]

Salaam All

Let's continue.
Let's agree on one point God choose his words carefully. There is no coincidence or chance.

Since Yathrib has never been a town and since Muhammad never put his feets in what we call nowadays Medine and Mecca, it is interesting to begin research for what mean the word Medine.

First, some quranics Facts

Muhammad returned to his natal land (48-12).
Muhammad had the task to preach in Ommou el Qura and qura in the nearby (6-92,42-7).
Qura is same root as maqar (root qarra) which mean fixation somewhere. Qura is meaning of town
in nowaday arabic, Qura means villages and medina means town (big village). Is that Meaning wanted by God ?
What does mean Ommo el Qura ? Why not use Medina Word ?
In verse 59-14, Quran is speaking about Qura Fortified ??? . Is that logical ? Why not use medina word ?
34-18 is speaking about knwn and visible Qura. Why not use Medina word ?
59-7 is speaking about what is obtained from Qura people. Why Medina word is anot used

please note that there is strange similiraty between words Quran, Qura, Quroon (word meaning group of people in quran) . Don't know if that mean something.

Preaching in Ommou el Qura is a to do task for many anbiya (28-59).
God choose Messengers only from People of Qura (12-109).
Muhammad was not from the two main Qura (43-31).
Abraham preached in a crowded place (meaning of word Bacca).

Now, there is a question Why Quran never use the plural form of word Medina wich is Moudon ?
Is it possible that word Medina has another meaning that "big village" ?

The question is very interesting since two similar word as used in Quran Medina and the famous Madian (town of Chuaib and where Moses refugiate).
if medina is not a generic word for big village, is it possible that medina is a name for precise place. Are Medina and Madian the two "special" Qura that 43-31 is speaking of ?

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Strange no ? We are told here that for the root Mdn, word Medina is the only use.

But, arabic speakers will note Medina can be dervated from the very know word deen

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here we learn that root deen mean to be linked and humilty/humiliation
we learn also that "people deen" mean obedient and directed people (see use of word madina in verses 37-53 and 56-86)
we learn also that medina means a place where obedience to "orders" occurs.

So root Deen seems to be the origina root for word medina
Madian seem to be also from the same root. Hope to get a better understanding of that further.

it is interesting to note also that the word "and around" is used for "Ommou el qura and around" and "Medina and around" (9-101 and 9-120)

Where are the two qura Medina and Madian ? That is the question.

Special note
Religion is a very bad traduction for word deen. Religion is word very linked to a set of rituals. I think that religion is a kind of pagan understanding for word deen.
It is the same kind of bad traduction that occurs for word Allah. GOD is a word also very linked to whorshippness and rituals. Allah does'nt mean GOD for me.
LA (no) ILAHA (where to go) ILLA (only but) ALLAH (the no where else we can go).
Allah is not competing with other Gods. He is apart. He is Not the Akbar God (greatest God). He is simply the no where else to whom we can return

Peace