All Prophets are not Messengers
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If we read verses 83-86 of Sura 6 we read 18 names, starting with Abraham and ending with Lot. Verse 89 confirms that all these 18 were prophets of God
"These are the ones to whom we have given the Scripture wisdom and prophethood"
Peace
You have taken the above verse out of context, thus interpreted it incorrectly.
- Those to whom We have given the Scripture, and the law, and the prophethood, if they reject it, then We will entrust it to a people who will not reject it.
Notice Those whom we have given the Scripture, Law and Prophethood, If THEY...Who is they? the Jews, thus this verse is directly related to the fact that the Jews as a people were given the Scripture, Law, and Prophethood, and if they reject this favor,The God will choose to give it to another people.
I'll respond to the rest rest of your post tomorrow, Godwillingly.
Its late right now
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Peace be upon you QAlone,
I beg to differ, unless of course, you have Qur'anic proof that being a Messenger of God is a relative state, as there is Qur'anic proof with regard to rejectors and submitters indeed being relative states.
The proof is in the word itself, you can only be a messenger if you have a messege to spread.
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The error is found in your last sentence, the God has given the SAME system since Noah, not a NEW message.Same System does not equate with same message.
Example The children of Israel received a message from the God which contained more stricter rule regarding diet, than did all humanity with the coming of the Qur'an. Same System, however New Message.
Thats incorrect, how can the very same system have a different message? Here is what is said about the "children of isreal" (which does not mean JEWS)
(393) All the food was/is/became permitted to the children of Israel, except what Israel forbade on himself from before that the Torah (was) made to descend. Say "So come/bring with the Torah, so read/recite it if you were truthful."
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One who spreads a mesage, DELIVERS it to those who do not yet have it, therefore they are a messenger.Yes I agree, however they are not a Messenger of God, which in whom is sent the original message directly from The God(via Gabriel) then given to humanity.
If you are delivering the God's message, how can you not be the God's messenger? The God is the SOURCE of the message.
The messenger of God, is the conduit of heavenly revelation to humanity, once this revelation is acquired by humans through the Messenger of God, it can be spread through a myraid of processes.
Actually Idol, answer this for me, Who would be the messenger of God if someone found a quran buried in their backyard?
Whoever wrote the physical book that they found would be the messenger, as well as the malaika that descended the message to the one who wrote the bok that was found in the backyard.
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Obeying the "messenger" is the SAME AS obeying the God
Delivering the messengers message is the SAME AS delivering the God's message. Please tell me if there is an error in the above calculation.Perfect, I couldn't agree with you more.
Then we agree, whomever delivers the message is a messenger.
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You are differntiating between messengers as the God instructs us not to do. The messagers that you are leaving out are the malaika who bring the message down to the prophet, THEN the prophet becomes a messenger and sends the message to others, the others become messengers and contiue to spread the CLEAR message.I am not differentiating between the messengers of God(ANGELS AND CERTAIN INDIVIDUAL HUMANS), I am differentiating between the messenger of God and me( a human who benefits from Obeying the Messenger via Quran)
But above you just agreed that delivering the messengers message is the same as delivering the God's message, so why do you reject now?
Take a look.
1930 Al-Huzaifi Al-Hudaifi
(The infant spoke and) said, 'I am a servant of GOD. He has given me the scripture, and has appointed me a prophet.
From the looks of it, Jesus first received the book(as a messenger) and then appointed a prophet.
Of course, you are neither prophet nor messenger without the message. The only difference is that a prophet is one who intuits the message from within.
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And whoever obeys God and the messenger will be among those whom God has blessed from the PROPHETS and the truthful and the martyrs and the upright. What an excellent companionship!Thus Jesus the Messenger blessed Jesus the prophet with The God's Message
Two jesus? You lost me there.
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Salam QAlone
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Notice Those whom we have given the Scripture, Law and Prophethood, If THEY...Who is they? the Jews, thus this verse is directly related to the fact that the Jews as a people were given the Scripture, Law, and Prophethood,
how did you come up with the conclusion that these or they means JEWS here , saying them Jews are completely out of context ?
Please read these verses again
Such was our argument, with which we supported Abraham against his people. We exalt whomever we will to higher ranks. Your Lord is Most Wise, Omniscient.
And we granted him Isaac and Jacob, and we guided both of them. Similarly, we guided Noah before that, and from his descendants (we guided) David, Solomon, Job, Joseph, Moses, and Aaron. We thus reward the righteous.
Also, Zachariah, John, Jesus, and Elias; all were righteous.
And Ismail, Elisha, Jonah, and Lot; each of these we distinguished over all the people.
From among their ancestors, their descendants, and their siblings, we chose many, and we guided them in a straight path.
Such is GOD's guidance, with which He guides whomever He chooses from among His servants. Had any of them fallen into idolatry, their works would have been nullified.
Those were the ones to whom we have given the scripture, wisdom, and prophethood. If these people disbelieve, we will substitute others in their place, and the new people will not be disbelievers.
to my understand these eighteen Prophets recieved scripture are well within the Quranic context between verses 83 -89 of sura 6
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Peace
ASM