Muhammad not an Arab and God not a god

noshirk

Oh my God, i never said such a thing !

So let me clarify.
We are hearing that we are in a kind of Shock of Civilisations. In one side, we have the judeo-christian occident and in the other side we have the arab world and the islamic world. It is like if Muhammad was arab and Jesus was an european or american guy.
For many christians, islam is a quite a terrorist religion. the religion of the opposite side.

That division of the world, nowadays, is a stupidity.
Muhammad is as arab as moses and jesus. He is not more arab than they were arabs .The country where Moses and Jesus lived is now considered as arabic country and Jesus and Moses have to be considered Arabs. They would be considered Arabs if they were born nowadays.
Shock of civilisation and cultural division of the world nowadays is a great stupidity. Even Moses and Jesus would be surprised to be opposed to their own country.

From a quranic point a view, God has only one religion. It is religion of Abraham, Moses, Issa, muhammad, Salomon etc...
it is islam.
So from quranic point of view, christians and jews are denying their own religion.

From the other side, nowadays Muslims consider Judaism and christians quite as an old version of Islam.
For nowadays Muslims, Islam began with Muhammad.
What they call History of islam begin with Muhammad, include the four caliphes Rashidun, Omeyyad, Abbassides and so on.

But that history is not history of Islam. it is not the history that quran teaches to us.
History of islam, according to quran, ends when history of islam, according to Muslim scholars begin.

Whenever you listen or read about religion, it is said that there are 3 great monotheistics religions. But from a quranic point of view , history of judaism and Nassara connot be dissociated from history of islam. The great monotheistic division of religions is arbitrary and jews and christians have to be considered as muslims as chiites or sunnites. That was quran says.

Quran uses also the word el Kitab for both Injeel and Torah. Quran don't says , "Jew and nassara receveid each one a book before you" but quran says they received THE book before you. Quran , Injeel and Torah are extractions from a unique book, called OMMOU EL KITAB, in the hands of God.

There is one book, one religion, one god and probably, God sent all his messengers to one region, and probably to same country.
That is the teachings of our RABB/God in Quran. That is the lesson that quite all rejects for partisanship and doctrinal reasons.

History of Abraham, History of Moses, History of Issa, History of Salomon, history of Jesus, History of Muhammad are Just episodes in the same story The history of Islam.
The writer of that story is God. Muslims to God have to take all the story as a whole and think about it as a whole.
Why our Rabb/teacher/educator choose that story to teach us Islam ? That is a great question and a very important question ?

Now , let's look at the second part of your post.
La ilaha illa Allah is the heart of islam. It is written clearly in quran, the book in wich i believe.
I believe with all my heart anna la ilaha illa Allah.

However, i cannot verify this claim. I haven't seen God. I cannot verify that there is not other God next to him. I cannot testify that there is no God than God. I cannot testify even that God exists.
I have never seen Muhammad. I cannot testify that Mugammad was a rassool. I cannot testify he even existed.

I believe that God exists and that there is no god than him. I believe that he gave a book to a messenger called Muhammad by quran. I believe in that mainly because it is written in Quran and that that book convinced me. I am sure that that book tells the truth and that it is not an human writing.

Chahada, the so called first pillar of islam is a double false testimony. It is a lie.
People who believe that to become a Muslim, we have to pronunce a lie have probably understood nothing about islam. They, perhaps, never entered it .
I can testify that people who pronunce Chahada are liars. On that, i can testify.

For more details and verses about the chahada, please look here http//www.free-minds.org/true-testimony

Peace

GODsubmitter

Thank you @noshirk for this post and explanations.

Glory to God, the Supraessential One.

Jafar

From a quranic point a view, God has only one religion. It is religion of Abraham, Moses, Issa, muhammad, Salomon etc...

RELIGION is a political tool invented by human for the objective to gain power over the other group of human.
RELIGION in ancient time is the equivalent of POLITICAL PARTY in modern time
islam is NOT a RELIGION, islam is an ATTITUDE/CHARACTER
A group of people founded a new religion named Islam after Muhammad's death

A great movement made by a christian who are FED UP with RELIGION and it's conflict...

GOD HATES RELIGION
http//www.christinyou.net/pages/godhatesrel.html

And I see similar movements are growing in nearly every religion / sect / nationality / ethnicity / cultural group.
It's about time that we ABANDON RELIGION.

noshirk

It's about time that we ABANDON RELIGION.

Salaam Jaafar

you do want you want. You believe in what you want to believe (or not to believe).
The funny thing is that you are not completly wrong. I use word Religion to be understood but, perhaps, Religion is a bad traduction for word Deen.
I'll be back.

Peace

mirjamnur

Salam Noshirk

Thank you very much for your clarifications- now i can understand what you mean and handshake i am complete agree with you.
I think it is not correct to translate the word DEEN with RELIGION. the Deen of Allah is more the SYSYEM of Allah- the System with the Sunnatullah, which never changes.
I am agree with Jafar about the religions- they are manmade and made only to divide the believers.

But all this bring me to an other point

one System= Islam from the beginning
many Naby and messengers
many revelations from al kitab as Torah Enjeel Quran
Many prohibitions and laws- and feasts
=one DEEN= all believers should hold on the same

-Saum
2183 O you who acknowledge, fasting is decreed for you as it was decreed for those before you that perhaps you may be righteous.
together with others statements as the law 'eye for eye' that we can also found in the Torah i think we should look how the bani israel should fast- and then look at the Quran if we found a new law - the fast in ramadan is sure new- but the other fast was never
repealed, on the contrary confirmed in the verse 2183/184

-hajj = hajj is not new. Jews practiced hajj with victimes- so we should know what is described in the Torah about this event (the appointet time, the purpose etc...) and then check out the Quran to found the differences ( as the victimes are for feed the poor and eat from it in contrast to the false teachings to burn them or send them as suendenboecke (sin goats??) in the desert )
-Zakat/sadaqa = those terms aren't new- in judaism very well know - so i think we should know what is described in the Torah and then we should read if the Quran states something new.

-sabbath the Torah fixed the law to rest the seventh day - the sabbath - i think this sabbath is not the todays saturday, it is every seventh day from the new moon in every lunation (shahr) - The Torah states that God rested the seventh 'day' and in the Quran we read that 'he took over his throne' (maybe or sure this means the same?) - so we should also hold this law but in an other way we should hold a common prayer and then go and remember Allahs Name what ever we do..it is not a strict prohibition as before and God states in an other verse, that he maked the strict sabbath law only for the bani israel.

So in fact i believe, that all believers should come together to study the revealed books and draw a consensus from them. Of course it needs open people who know that there is only one system and three revelations (perhaps is the real Enjeel the Psalms, because the Enjeel can't be the todays gospel ?) And that the final revelation replaces certain laws. Thoughts?
Thank you all and peace peace

sushi1992

To me i don't use the word 'religion'. The word doesn't exist in my dictionary. The only reason i might say it is to depict, as Jafar correctly states, a political tool used to dictate and dominate sections, small or substantial large, of people across the world. To me, i translate deen as system/attitude. Simple as ). God didn't create religion - us humans did.

peace

Jafar

Religion advocates the absolutism of a particular belief-system. We formulate our doctrine, our theology, and demand that others affirm it absolutely as we do ? no variation; no freedom of thought or opinion; no doubt (for doubt would indicate that one does not believe it absolutely.)

Such absolutism is the basis of "fundamentalism." Fundamentalism is a religious idolatry that tends to worship a particular formulation of fixed fundamentals of faith. These fundamentals usually include both the detailed doctrines of a belief-system, as well as the meticulously prescribed behavior patterns of an ethical-system.

Absolutism in belief and behavior leads to the absolutism of exclusivism
"We are absolutely the only ones who have found truth; Ours is absolutely the only way."

Thus religion begins to employ the rejective "tests of fellowship" which demand acceptance of their belief-system and conformity to their behavior patterns or else they will disallow you to be a part of their socialistic group identity.

They disallow individualism and freedom of thought.

Identity is found in the whole.

Any deviations are met with condemnatory judgmentalism and guilt manipulation unto conformity.
Severe forms of corrective social "discipline" are employed to keep people "in line," subscribing to the absolutism.

Harun

Peace to all

Religion is the Opium of the Masses. Karl Marx....It indeed is.

How many people slaughter their brains and reason before going to a mosque or a sermon by a mulla.....

It is rightly said ... Religion = Mullarchy.............Mullarchy is a thousand times more dangerous than Monarchy......

Islam is not a religion. Quran teaches Monotheism, Peacemaking. If anyone tells u peace making is a religion. Either he is out of his wits or he is trying to fool u.....

Peace to all
Harun.

sushi1992

Peace to all

Religion is the Opium of the Masses. Karl Marx....It indeed is.

How many people slaughter their brains and reason before going to a mosque or a sermon by a mulla.....

It is rightly said ... Religion = Mullarchy.............Mullarchy is a thousand times more dangerous than Monarchy......

Islam is not a religion. Quran teaches Monotheism, Peacemaking. If anyone tells u peace making is a religion. Either he is out of his wits or he is trying to fool u.....

Peace to all
Harun.

yes group peace pr

Jafar

Peace to all

Religion is the Opium of the Masses. Karl Marx....It indeed is.

How many people slaughter their brains and reason before going to a mosque or a sermon by a mulla.....

It is rightly said ... Religion = Mullarchy.............Mullarchy is a thousand times more dangerous than Monarchy......

Yes and once those sectarians / religious power monger got into power it will turn into Mulla-cracy , Rabbi-cracy, Priesto-cracy, Imamo-cracy, the worst and most wicked form of dictatorship.

Have anyone here paid any attention that the Gospel and the Quran is an ANTI-Religious book?
It dazzled me how come people now think that those books are 'the ultimate book on religion'.

Salam / Peace