All quran followers are not munkari-hadeeth. We are munkarilahwalhadeeth
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316 = And of men is he who takes instead frivolous discourse to lead astray from Allah's path without knowledge, and to take it for a mockery; these shall have an abasing chastisement.
And amongst mankind is one who takes instead baseless statement <lahwaa|lhadeeth> to lead astray from Allah's path without knowledge, and to take that for a mockery; these shall have a humiliating punishment
Be not a "hadeeth rejector". Be a "baseless false hadeeth rejector".
I have learnt a lot from Bukhari in the past. There is much wisdom in the book. Take the good from the bad and throw the bad away.
Peace
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316 = And of men is he who takes instead frivolous discourse to lead astray from Allah's path without knowledge, and to take it for a mockery; these shall have an abasing chastisement.
And amongst mankind is one who takes instead baseless statement <lahwaa|lhadeeth> to lead astray from Allah's path without knowledge, and to take that for a mockery; these shall have a humiliating punishment
Be not a "hadeeth rejector". Be a "baseless false hadeeth rejector".
I have learnt a lot from Bukhari in the past. There is much wisdom in the book. Take the good from the bad and throw the bad away.
Peace
Good point. We must examine all hadiths and compare them with the Quran. What contradicts it or makes binding what it didn't should be rejected outright.
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What if something does not contradict but is extra ?
In terms of all we need to know and be guided by, it is from the reading only. Check out verses 6126, 1037, 12111 and 413. The book is fully detailed - we need nothing more to be guided to the straight path ).
peace
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Peace to all
Good point. We must examine all hadiths and compare them with the Quran. What contradicts it or makes binding what it didn't should be rejected outright.
There is NO NEED to examine any Hadiths. If u do, u are violating the sayins of the very prophet whose HADITHS u are examining. Has he not said and ordered, NOTHING SHOULD BE WRITTEN DOWN FROM ME???
Regarding this, infact reading any saying of the prophet or telling them is also wrong. If u tell just for sake of telling,OK, but IN NO WAY it could be acceted as another source beside the book, not even a single Hadith.
If we accept even a single Hadith, what is preventing us to accept
- Chinese Proverbs
- Bibical Verses
- Sanskritic Vedas Verses
which are in RESONANCE with Quran as another source of GUIDANCE besides the scripture.
Peace
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Salamun Alaykum.
Yes, I agree with you to some degree. We may read books and may educate ourselves to become a good human being, there's no problem with that. But we have to be careful that whatever we learn, if anything goes against the Qur'an, then we HAVE to reject it. And after we learn something good, we may apply it in our daily lives (as long as it doesn't go against the Qur'an), but we should not go around and tell people that it's from prophet Muhammad (pbuh). So if you choose to gain knowledge from hadith books like Bukhari and co., then that's your choice.
For example, I have no problem when people do their salats wearing a head cap/prayer cap. But I do have a problem when people say, "God doesn't like it if we don't wear a head cap during salat, because this is what the prophet Muhammad (pbuh) told us to do, i.e. we should wear a head cap."
You see, they attribute lies to God and to the prophet without any fear in their hearts.
It's up to you whether you want to wear a head cap or not.
Ever heard of Emily Post, the lady who is famous for her proper etiquette and manners? Guess what she wrote in her book on eating. She wrote that when you eat, you hold the knife in the right hand, and the fork in the left hand. And after you cut your food with the knife, lay the knife down and transfer the fork from the left hand to the right hand, and eat the food with your fork using your RIGHT hand.
Hmmm. Now how is it possible that a non-muslim taught people to eat using their right hand?
Well, this is just an example, but I hope you get my point. hmm
peace
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Salamun Alaykum.
Yes, I agree with you to some degree. We may read books and may educate ourselves to become a good human being, there's no problem with that. But we have to be careful that whatever we learn, if anything goes against the Qur'an, then we HAVE to reject it. And after we learn something good, we may apply it in our daily lives (as long as it doesn't go against the Qur'an), but we should not go around and tell people that it's from prophet Muhammad (pbuh). So if you choose to gain knowledge from hadith books like Bukhari and co., then that's your choice.
For example, I have no problem when people do their salats wearing a head cap/prayer cap. But I do have a problem when people say, "God doesn't like it if we don't wear a head cap during salat, because this is what the prophet Muhammad (pbuh) told us to do, i.e. we should wear a head cap."
You see, they attribute lies to God and to the prophet without any fear in their hearts.
It's up to you whether you want to wear a head cap or not.
Ever heard of Emily Post, the lady who is famous for her proper etiquette and manners? Guess what she wrote in her book on eating. She wrote that when you eat, you hold the knife in the right hand, and the fork in the left hand. And after you cut your food with the knife, lay the knife down and transfer the fork from the left hand to the right hand, and eat the food with your fork using your RIGHT hand.
Hmmm. Now how is it possible that a non-muslim taught people to eat using their right hand?
This is how I later began to view hadiths. A lot of what is in the Ahadith was being viewed upon by as fard. I was told by numerous Muslims that "you cannot have long hair when performing salat" and other weird things such as the removing of locks in your hair.
By most people it has been generally assumed that everyone in Muhammad's time just had long hair including Muhammad himself. I later learned that this comes from Saudi Arabia's Wahhabist Salafi interpretations of Islam which gets put into government effect (theocracy at work). I see many Muslims confusing Theocratic law as religious law, but unknown to them is that a theocracy is a government and 99% of all governments are corrupt.
It is always advised to never put your faith in people (especially clergy) no matter how "holy" they (priests, sheikhs,rabbis, gurus, etc) appear to be. I noticed how Shiites(and some Sufis) claim that the sheikhs/teachers are perfect role models like Muhammad and cannot commit sin. They are essentially placing common men to the title of prophet and in some cases God.I will end my rant right here before I write a 20 page document ;D
Peace out
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I find the Qur'aan says its teachings so much better, than Hadiths that are similar anyway. Then you don't have to filter through all the made-up stuff, that's being passed off as "Authentic". Huh???
Qur'aan is enough for a full life of study. I am not even remotely implyng not to read anything you want; i just find Hadiths that i have read in books, and that people have posted, to be almost pathetic in their attempts to copy the Qur'aan's authority. Not to mention the differing agendas behind their collecting Power-plays, assertions of which Companion deserves the most respect, etc., etc. I don't have time for that! and thankFULLY Allah and the Majid Qur'aan that HE sent to us, don't either.
Ever heard of Emily Post, the lady who is famous for her proper etiquette and manners? Guess what she wrote in her book on eating. She wrote that when you eat, you hold the knife in the right hand, and the fork in the left hand. And after you cut your food with the knife, lay the knife down and transfer the fork from the left hand to the right hand, and eat the food with your fork using your RIGHT hand.
Well that's what MY momma taught me!
It is always advised to never put your faith in people (especially clergy) no matter how "holy" they (priests, sheikhs,rabbis, gurus, etc) appear to be. I noticed how Shiites(and some Sufis) claim that the sheikhs/teachers are perfect role models like Muhammad and cannot commit sin. They are essentially placing common men to the title of prophet and in some cases God.
Who said the Prophets were perfect? Muhammed (Pbuh) was, according to the Qur'aan, exemplary yes, but human, ergo im-perfect, and like all the other Prophets (Peace be upon them all) in need of GOD's help throughout their lives. Otherwise, i agree with your general observation. There's that "infallibilty" attitude that some think they've earned or inherited. And this becomes an excuse for unethical or dishonest behaviors. End justifying the means. And where's one place to learn these behaviors? In all the twists and turns of attributed Sunnah and Hadiths. Something the Prophets would not have condoned in themselves....seems to be OK for scholars? Salaam. Just a POV.