Does the Quran authorize man made laws ?
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Does the Quran authorize man made laws for issues not specifically mentioned in the Quran...
Man does not have Two masters only one (ALLAH)
God does not give every detail of laws to a society, indeed the scripture infuses
justice into the soul of it's adherants (guidance) so much so that laws should be a
reflection of universal order and peace. God equips us with the ongoing message thru
revelation enabling us to instill his laws that are good for society. The problem comes
when we or others are allowed to disobey God, enforce rulings that have
nothing to do with God's laws, and put forth an agenda not based on justice.Jaywalking, or crossing the street at an unsafe location can be harmful to citizens,
therefore there is a law against jaywalking.
Fighting, or assaulting folks is bad for society because people can become injured
or killed, hence laws against assault.
Someone said beastiality, number one, that is not of sound mind, secondly disease
This is the "spirit" of law, to protect, guarantee rights and to maintain civility.God has not authorized oppression, but many countries engage in this awful
practice for personal gain. Stoning, vengence, greed, lust, lies, murder etc.,
are not in conformance with peace and justice and are a violation of God's laws.GOD advocates justice, charity, and regarding the relatives. And He forbids evil,
vice, and transgression. He enlightens you, that you may take heed.O0
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Why should I ??
RELIGION IS NOT FROM GOD, RELIGION IS HUMAN MADE.
SOME HUMAN CLAIM THAT THEIR RELIGION IS FROM GOD
WHICH IS FAKE / FALSE AS IT IS ACTUALLY HUMAN MADE.Let's review the logic here
Religion is invalid because it doesn't come from god. Every doctrine that doesn't come from God is invalid. Politics doesn't come from God, but that doesn't mean it's invalid! rotfl rotfl rotfl rotfl rotfl rotfl rotfl
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The circumstances is if your country is multireligion like in Bosnia & Herzegovina, you cannot force Serbs in there to follow Quranic law.
If you forced them then you will know what will happened to that country. -
Let's review the logic here
Religion is invalid because it doesn't come from god. Every doctrine that doesn't come from God is invalid. Politics doesn't come from God, but that doesn't mean it's invalid! rotfl rotfl rotfl rotfl rotfl rotfl rotfl
People of specific religion CLAIMED his/her religion come from God
Such CLAIM is invalid..
Religion is a noun, saying religion is invalid is indeed ilogical, it's the same as saying rocks are invalid or tree are invalid.
However.
Saying Rocks made up of water is indeed an invalid claim / statement -
The circumstances is if your country is multireligion like in Bosnia & Herzegovina, you cannot force Serbs in there to follow Quranic law.
If you forced them then you will know what will happened to that country.Of course you cannot FORCE any people to follow any law. And it's recommended to not do as such.
However you can persuade people to AGREE on enforcing specific law.
To persuade them, you need to have good and clear argument on the objective and the practicality and the reason on why such law is needed. -
Peace
I have not read the entire thread, but I can say that the Quran isn't just some rule book with a law for everything. So, of course we can devise our own laws. If He had given us a law for everything, then what's the point in giving us any intellect?
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Let's review the logic here
Religion is invalid because it doesn't come from god. Every doctrine that doesn't come from God is invalid. Politics doesn't come from God, but that doesn't mean it's invalid! rotfl rotfl rotfl rotfl rotfl rotfl rotfl
The thing Jafar pointed out was that some people claim that religious law is from God, while it isn't. Like Jafar already clarified, is that it is this very claim that is invalid. Nobody claimed politics, or rather laws stemming from political decisions, are from God. Such laws can be either good or bad, and political laws are the only laws possible, in the sense that it is we humans who make them up to give structure to society. What Jafar calls God's laws are the laws that are "built in" into reality... like you'll get what you deserve. You will be subject to them whether you believe in them or not, knowingly or unknowingly, sooner or later. If there are directives, recommendations, prohibitions in the quran, we can then choose to make political laws out of them, if agreed upon in society, because they will help us increase positive things in society like justice, care, prosperity, safety, security, peace. It is however up to us. The difference, as I understood it, is that political laws can enforced by people in the situations they apply to, while all humans of all times will be subject to God's laws, no matter what, with total justice and fairness.
So the main problem is when people run around declaring their own opinions as God's laws, and forcing it on others, creating havoc, misery and corruption in the land. This is what is invalid.
Peace
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The thing Jafar pointed out was that some people claim that religious law is from God, while it isn't. Like Jafar already clarified, is that it is this very claim that is invalid. Nobody claimed politics, or rather laws stemming from political decisions, are from God. Such laws can be either good or bad, and political laws are the only laws possible, in the sense that it is we humans who make them up to give structure to society. What Jafar calls God's laws are the laws that are "built in" into reality... like you'll get what you deserve. You will be subject to them whether you believe in them or not, knowingly or unknowingly, sooner or later. If there are directives, recommendations, prohibitions in the quran, we can then choose to make political laws out of them, if agreed upon in society, because they will help us increase positive things in society like justice, care, prosperity, safety, security, peace. It is however up to us. The difference, as I understood it, is that political laws can enforced by people in the situations they apply to, while all humans of all times will be subject to God's laws, no matter what, with total justice and fairness.
So the main problem is when people run around declaring their own opinions as God's laws, and forcing it on others, creating havoc, misery and corruption in the land. This is what is invalid.
Peace
Beautiful Summary
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Salam,
Islam is not a religion, and Allah gave unconditional freedom to the human way of life (deen) on the standard of justly balanced, ie. The right course has become clear from the wrong. So whoever disbelieves in Taghut . Therefore, the Qur'an confirms man made laws that are justly balanced to humanity. The Qur'an also confirms all religious books and any books that are justly balanced to the human way of life (deen). For a Muslim, he sees no difference between the God and man made laws. He is not concern with religious issues and sectarianism (issues concerned by the mushreekeen or idolators - 367-68), but concerned with what is justly balanced to the humanity, according to the standard in the Qur'an.
And before it was the scripture of Moses to lead
and as a mercy
And this is a confirming Book <- What is a confirming book? Its functions/implications?
in an Arabic tongue
to warn those who have wronged
and as good tidings to the doers of good
(4612)And We have revealed to you
the Book in truth
confirming that which preceded it of the Scripture
and as a criterion over it <- How do these "Criterion Systems" works? Reject them all together?
So judge between them by what Allah has revealed <- Allah says "judge", evaluate, not rejects.
and do not follow their inclinations away from what has come to you of the truth
To each of you We prescribed a law and a method <- Other rules are also from Allah? Good? Bad?
Had Allah willed, He would have made you one nation <- Allah refers to "nation"
but to test you in what He has given you <- What is the test from Allah? Rejection?
so race to good <- Allah considers there is good from another book or sect etc.?
To Allah is your return all together
and He will inform you concerning that over which you used to differ <- Who'll inform? You?
(548) What is our mission? -
Interesting topic...
I recommend everyone discussing this or finding it difficult to understand the concepts of what is man made law and what is divine law.
And please take some time to watch the "the perfect swindle" and "confusion" videos on the site can be found at the bottom of the home page. There are 9 in total but its definatley worth as i think the guy Marcus has a done a fantastic job to uncover some truths about all this.
I personally used to think that adhering to man made laws in countries like UK, USA Europe is the right thing to do as it seems on face value to be a good system which is made by the people for the people (lol yeah right!).
Man can make laws which are in light of Gods guidance but that cannot make laws and govern civilians based on lies and deciet which is what all democracies in the world are doing so they are sitting on the straight path becasue on face value it seems "good" to have such laws.
Please research this more.
Peace
Affy
p.s - I think i get what Jafar means by Religion is man made and evil. Check out the word religion and where it comes from. You will be shocked of its root meaning. God is all inclusive so no "members only clubs" are endorsed by him. There are only 2 camps as far as i can see. Truth and Lies.
Zulf - still as impressed with your comments as always! -*