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    drfazl
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    A good man is always adjudged a Muslim by Allah, be he a Hindu, a Christian, A Jew, a Buddhist, or a Sikh for, all good works from anyone comes only from Allah; unless Allah grants wisdom and patience he cannot be a good man. And all bad ensues from you, the bad man, or self proclaiming Muslim.

    Whereas a good man is always a Muslim, a Muslim cannot always be a good man.

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      sushi1992
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      Peace,

      The nafs or mind is an entity to receive the glad tidings and the admonitions through His Ruh, as He sends down His Soulful command upon the hearts of people as wahi which if one abides by following what is intuited to him as lawful and rejecting what is intuited as unlawful and forbidden this criterion shall be the guidance and one's need of tomorrow until his life ends here so that he shall gain belief in Him, and shall live with the help of the mightiest power in this world, and shall attain the greatest life in the hereafter. The most perfect example of the descent of wahi upon our Ruh is, the rare individuals coming around from the terminal stages of their so called 'diagnostic-diseases', and out of their 'intensive care-death beds' much to the dismay and disbelief of the arrogant doctors and specialists who with all their diagnoses and assuredness destined them to death, even going to the extent of predicting their time of death. Such believers who were made to stand steadfast by the word of their God, when they totally got rid of the disease, swishing away the doctors, they, to their disappointment, displeasure and disbelief would say It is a medical miracle! Despite our medicines he survived! Some other saner ones would say It is his will power to survive, he got over the terrible disease! Yet, the believers standing as a grand witness to this, shall say "Woe unto us; it is Allah alone who cures of all our hardships; what happened to us that we believed doctors would save our lives while we know only Allah knows what life is? Surely, the life is abstract power while the medicines are manifest destruction of the life force! Doctors are mute-mutaters; maimers and truncaters! And we shall not associate these people anymore to the only God, for our hale and hearty life."

      As believers we would now see the incidents as His Will Be Done; If His Will Is Our Wish. Every human's life is as simple as this.

      A patient's Will to get over the disease it is the Wish and Command of his God. Or, his 'Wish-to-survive' is the Will of his Mighty God who says from His Soul, to His Ruh He has placed in every human as the 'heart' of his life; and this is one's "real heart". Those who know what 'Ruh' is, Allah is communicating to him direct, through wahi, the Intuitive Inspiration. This is the only way, the wahi, shall Allah Reveal His guidance, His prophecy through glad tidings and admonition

      Allah communicates to us through three ways All through one's life, He keeps sending down His Wahi-Inspiration to His Ruh in his heart this is the direct revelation by which we distinguish between the right and the wrong. Unless we believe only in Allah, and unless our receiver i.e. our Ruh is pure from all sorts of shirks or association to God, our hearts are deaf to receive the wahi or the prophesy.

      Under such circumstance, when we are deaf and dumb because of our varying degrees of association to God, then He communicates with us His Guidance from behind a veil i.e. through the Malayika who too are veiled to our naked eyes but speaks through our mind,- of God's Soul, His Will for us; since the malayika are veiled we cannot see unless they come in the perfect form of a human-being; the chosen messengers from among the malayika, Jibril and Mikhail in our Ruh, are now the mediators between our God and us; this intermediary role to convey the wahi by the angel-messengers has become mandatory to strengthen the word of God in us and to guide us in the straight path, and to make us believe in the Guidance of Allah, before our time runs out and before we lose sight of our angel-messengers too and all our hopes of living a respectful and dignified life on this earth. At this, we almost get ourselves blindfolded and enter into false beliefs and thus leave astray.

      We are on our final journey in our life with this state of acquired and cultivated deafness and blindness when our mind situation is this worse and our belief in the only God and God alone, had dwindled to such a low and, is on the verge of being totally lost from His Way, the messengers are chosen from among the men of our own people, in our own tongue to communicate the wahi of Allah and to make us understand the presence of the same wahi in our minds that which we have been ignoring and rejecting all along. The prophets and the messengers give us guidance, thought, reminders, wisdom to see and hear the words of Allah happening all around us all of such shall finally culminate in our Ruh for reflection to get back our hearing and seeing, and guide us to hear, see and get at the wahi of Allah, directly before the appointed angels for each of us take our Ruh back to Allah and thus causing the end.

      sushi1992,
      Any clarification you need, please forward your query.

      Peace.

      Selam drfazl,

      Sorry I took a while i reply. I had to re-read what you had written and i hadn't had a chance to go onto my laptop to reply. Thank you for your effort and explanation. I'm glad you have made the meanings of nafs and ruh clearer to me. By ruh we mean spirit yes? Sorry my arabic isn't great...

      One question i didn't see you answer or voice your opinion on is this one

      Do we dream whilst we sleep and are unconscious til judgement day? I remember hearing that Far'awn (or as some may translate is as Pharaoh) apparently had 2 nightmares per day til the day comes... but i can't remember where i heard this from... What kind of state are we in when we die? Some form of a deep sleep? But dreams don't occur in a deep sleep.. or do they...

      Peace and thanks for your comprehensive answer ).

      peace

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        truthsearcher
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        Ok now I see...things are getting complicated so I will make a simply question. What will happen on Judgement Day or Will everyone be judged on Judgment Day or Who will be judged on Judgment Day?

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          Man_of_Faith
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          Salaam,

          I does not really matter if you have to wait until the Judgment day to enter Paradise or not, you will not be aware until this day and if you do not, then you are already there.

          I think Judgment Day loses its meaning if there is not sides on it. Also as far as I can read, in the Quran, people will be admitted into Heaven or Hell, on the Judgment Day, when they receive their record. The Quran seems to be pretty clear on this topic, unless I misunderstand it.

          But like I stated in my first paragraph, it does not really matter to a devout Believer, this warning is mainly intended as a warning for those who do not believe. Of course, the description of Paradise feels soothing to any reverent person and is a comfort through our lives, and will only make us work harder to redeem ourselves.

          Those of us who are influenced by sayings of Dr. Rashad Khalifa may believe that we enter Paradise right after death, but this seems to be an unfounded idea contradicting the Quran. Of course it is up to God to decide nevertheless, we just have to work hard to be righteous. I will not start to argue for or against Dr. Khalifa, I leave him to the judgment of the Lord, but some say he was a messenger that was removed from duty due to disobedience.

          God bless you with certainty and prosperity

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            Babansif
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            Well if believers (those who follow God's way) after death enter directly paradise so what about the judgement day ? Where's the sense in that ? What about 6919-20 - it doesnt make any sense

            This verses is talking about the people who are still living in the earth on the day of judgement.

            Everyone who dies as a believer will go strictly to paradise as I have understood it.
            And the one who goes to hell will wait until judgement day and they will all be banished into hell toghether.

            "(At the time of his death) he was told, "Enter Paradise." He said, "Oh, I wish my people knew. That my Lord has forgiven me, and made me honourable" 3626-27

            Salaam brother )

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              Salaam
              I am not your Rabb (educator). I am pupil of God like you and i will try to respond according to my own understanding

              Can somebody explain to me what will happen to us after death according to Qur'an ?

              Good pupils go to garden of imaginary (Jenna of Jinns). Rejectors and idolaters spirit will be separated (adhab) from the great teacher and destroyed in jehennem.
              it is God who will decide how much that separation/destruction will be painfull and how long it will last.

              If you are a true believer will you go directly into paradise or will you wait till Day of Judgment ?

              wrong question. idolaters are true believers and they will not go to jenna.
              Believer is bad traduction for word Mo'omin. Jenna is for good pupils who take care of the AMANA (trust) given to them by God. Amana is words of God.

              concerning wainting or not, i don't know and it is not important for me.

              What if you are a true believer(you believe in God, Quran, Day of Jugment, prophets) but you don't do zaqat, salat, fasting during ramadan etc?

              Good point if you dont do the stupid rituals.
              salat is connecting to god through his words in order to get mind purification (zakat).
              Saoum is spiritual retreat consacrated to words of God.

              Sadaqa (charity) is considered as loan to god. If you trust in God, you should give the loan he asked for.

              What if you are not muslim but you are a good man ?

              you spirit of bad pupil will be separated from the teacher you rejected. Perhaps separation will be not painfull.
              if you are good man but idolater (mushrik), God will not forgive you.
              Good and bad is not the good criterion. Quran never said good people will go to jenna.

              Muslim means receive. You can be muslim, good man and go to hell if you mixed words of gods with words of other teachers.

              what if you are not muslim and you are a bad man ?

              painfull separation if you rejected words of God.
              Please notice that a christian or Jew or zoroaster that have never read quran can be considered as Muslim by God.

              Is it true that angles "beat" spirit of unbelievers and what does it mean ? does it mean that they do it till the day of jugment ? what about "the life after death will be similar to dreaming" and what does it stands for ? for believers, for unbelievers ?
              what about "life in the grave" ?
              Can dead people hear us ?

              cannot respond.
              life after death can be similar to dreaming in a sense that our spirit and our body are two differents things. Dont know what will happen to our body.

              Can somebody explain what is the "ticket to paradise", which are the major rules we must follow to get "ticket to paradise" and which are the major rules "we must follow" to destroy our chance of getting "ticket of paradise" ?
              and the last one

              You have to read quran and ask god to purify (zakat) your mind.
              Reading free-minds.org can help you if you have already studied the quran. if not, it will astray you with 100% chance simply because you are taking other arbabs.
              So response is study, study and study and never mix words or take other rabb(teacher) than God.

              Peace

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                drfazl
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                Selam drfazl,

                Sorry I took a while i reply. I had to re-read what you had written and i hadn't had a chance to go onto my laptop to reply. Thank you for your effort and explanation. I'm glad you have made the meanings of nafs and ruh clearer to me. By ruh we mean spirit yes? Sorry my arabic isn't great...

                One question i didn't see you answer or voice your opinion on is this one

                Do we dream whilst we sleep and are unconscious til judgement day? I remember hearing that Far'awn (or as some may translate is as Pharaoh) apparently had 2 nightmares per day til the day comes... but i can't remember where i heard this from... What kind of state are we in when we die? Some form of a deep sleep? But dreams don't occur in a deep sleep.. or do they...

                Peace and thanks for your comprehensive answer ).

                peace

                Sushi1992, Salam,

                By ruh we mean spirit yes?

                RUH is the word of Allah, such as His Promise, Gladtidings, Admonition, Guidance, Teachings, Explanation and such of all the ways of straight path towards a glorious unending life from this world to the hereafter, which we breathe; and this becomes the breather of an individual not only during his hardest times, but also without his knowledge he is breathing only tomorrow or the next of what he is living presently. Ruhul Quddus is the receiver of the Words, the RUH i.e., the receiver of the Trust of Allah who is the appointed Messenger Angel, Jibril; he becomes the Soul for each one of us who is always present in our heart of hearts. This Soul or the Messenger Jibril, Ruhul Quddus conveys the Will or the RUH of Allah to our mind as His promising path for our loveliest and the most beautiful future.

                To summarise, Allah breathes His RUH to our Soul, the Jibril who conveys the Message of Allah, the RUH to our Mind. This is the 'Wahi' or the Unseeable Inspiration of the Hour next in store for each of us, individually according to each one's measure of the belief in the Unssen, which life would unfold and reveal itself from within you so that you become a blossoming flower yourself.

                This is the point of reception of the Will of Allah which becomes our Wish or the dear most need. Thus our mind houses the Will or the Wahi of Allah as our Wishful belief of tomorrow. From this point our life starts moving based on what we have in the mind whether we stuff our minds with the desires of our liking of the manifest things and forms on the earth, or, the unseen wisdom of 'RUH-infused-Will' of Allah? These are the left-handed and the right-handed people based on the course they take up in the whole of their lives. We are idol worshipers when we desire in our minds all the glittering of the manifest things. And when we keep in our mind the Wish of the unseen Will of Allah, yet to be created and that which is duly measured for us, they are of the righteous category. The Final judgement of a human being is with Allah; and we are not to entertain ourselves on that anytime in our entire lives.

                Regarding your grand dad, you sushi1992, have to erase his memory from your mind to better understand what follows this post...

                Up to this you have to ascertain from the Truth of The Book to proceed further on your query. Kindly put your questions and doubts up to this...

                Peace.

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                  DrGm
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                  Sushi1992, Salam,

                  By ruh we mean spirit yes?

                  RUH is the word of Allah, such as His Promise, Gladtidings, Admonition, Guidance, Teachings, Explanation and such of all the ways of straight path towards a glorious unending life from this world to the hereafter, which we breathe; and this becomes the breather of an individual not only during his hardest times, but also without his knowledge he is breathing only tomorrow or the next of what he is living presently. Ruhul Quddus is the receiver of the Words, the RUH i.e., the receiver of the Trust of Allah who is the appointed Messenger Angel, Jibril; he becomes the Soul for each one of us who is always present in our heart of hearts. This Soul or the Messenger Jibril, Ruhul Quddus conveys the Will or the RUH of Allah to our mind as His promising path for our loveliest and the most beautiful future.

                  To summarise, Allah breathes His RUH to our Soul, the Jibril who conveys the Message of Allah, the RUH to our Mind. This is the 'Wahi' or the Unseeable Inspiration of the Hour next in store for each of us, individually according to each one's measure of the belief in the Unssen, which life would unfold and reveal itself from within you so that you become a blossoming flower yourself.

                  This is the point of reception of the Will of Allah which becomes our Wish or the dear most need. Thus our mind houses the Will or the Wahi of Allah as our Wishful belief of tomorrow. From this point our life starts moving based on what we have in the mind whether we stuff our minds with the desires of our liking of the manifest things and forms on the earth, or, the unseen wisdom of 'RUH-infused-Will' of Allah? These are the left-handed and the right-handed people based on the course they take up in the whole of their lives. We are idol worshipers when we desire in our minds all the glittering of the manifest things. And when we keep in our mind the Wish of the unseen Will of Allah, yet to be created and that which is duly measured for us, they are of the righteous category. The Final judgement of a human being is with Allah; and we are not to entertain ourselves on that anytime in our entire lives.

                  Regarding your grand dad, you sushi1992, have to erase his memory from your mind to better understand what follows this post...

                  Up to this you have to ascertain from the Truth of The Book to proceed further on your query. Kindly put your questions and doubts up to this...

                  Peace.

                  dear dr,

                  • 'i / me ' means only 'my mind'.
                  • soul means 'jibreel', the soul of humanity is one.
                  • RUH - the word of Allah, our breath.

                  please tell me, have i understood rightly.

                  Peace.

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                    dear dr,

                    • 'i / me ' means only 'my mind'.
                    • soul means 'jibreel', the soul of humanity is one.
                    • RUH - the word of Allah, our breath.

                    please tell me, have i understood rightly.

                    Peace.

                    Masha Allah, absolutely.

                    Peace

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                      sushi1992
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                      Selam DrFazl and sorry for the late response, i have been much busy...

                      All praises be to God I understand what you mean. The question of if we have dreams til judgment day however still fascinates me. What are your views on this. Is there any Quranic evidence? Or do we simply "sleep" til that hour has come.

                      Peace
                      Sushi
                      peace

                      Sushi1992, Salam,

                      By ruh we mean spirit yes?

                      RUH is the word of Allah, such as His Promise, Gladtidings, Admonition, Guidance, Teachings, Explanation and such of all the ways of straight path towards a glorious unending life from this world to the hereafter, which we breathe; and this becomes the breather of an individual not only during his hardest times, but also without his knowledge he is breathing only tomorrow or the next of what he is living presently. Ruhul Quddus is the receiver of the Words, the RUH i.e., the receiver of the Trust of Allah who is the appointed Messenger Angel, Jibril; he becomes the Soul for each one of us who is always present in our heart of hearts. This Soul or the Messenger Jibril, Ruhul Quddus conveys the Will or the RUH of Allah to our mind as His promising path for our loveliest and the most beautiful future.

                      To summarise, Allah breathes His RUH to our Soul, the Jibril who conveys the Message of Allah, the RUH to our Mind. This is the 'Wahi' or the Unseeable Inspiration of the Hour next in store for each of us, individually according to each one's measure of the belief in the Unssen, which life would unfold and reveal itself from within you so that you become a blossoming flower yourself.

                      This is the point of reception of the Will of Allah which becomes our Wish or the dear most need. Thus our mind houses the Will or the Wahi of Allah as our Wishful belief of tomorrow. From this point our life starts moving based on what we have in the mind whether we stuff our minds with the desires of our liking of the manifest things and forms on the earth, or, the unseen wisdom of 'RUH-infused-Will' of Allah? These are the left-handed and the right-handed people based on the course they take up in the whole of their lives. We are idol worshipers when we desire in our minds all the glittering of the manifest things. And when we keep in our mind the Wish of the unseen Will of Allah, yet to be created and that which is duly measured for us, they are of the righteous category. The Final judgement of a human being is with Allah; and we are not to entertain ourselves on that anytime in our entire lives.

                      Regarding your grand dad, you sushi1992, have to erase his memory from your mind to better understand what follows this post...

                      Up to this you have to ascertain from the Truth of The Book to proceed further on your query. Kindly put your questions and doubts up to this...

                      Peace.

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                        drfazl
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                        Selam DrFazl and sorry for the late response, i have been much busy...

                        All praises be to God I understand what you mean. The question of if we have dreams til judgment day however still fascinates me. What are your views on this. Is there any Quranic evidence? Or do we simply "sleep" til that hour has come.

                        Peace
                        Sushi
                        peace

                        First, there is no Quranic evidence that you dream after your death; but the people belonging to the two sections on the Hour of the Resurrection i.e. tihe people belonging to the left hand and to the right hand are in a state of sleep till the Hour has come 3652. Those who were the Foremost when their lives were captured with "Salamun Alaikkum", they are alive and are never considered dead 1632; 2154; 3157.

                        Similar to the Foremost, there are the bottom most people occupying the bottom most strata of the hell who also will be alive until the day of resurrection, and to who the hell life would be shown for real, into which they are to be cast.

                        Again there is no Quranic evidence that says, the dead do dream.

                        Peace,
                        drfazl

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                          Salaam dr fazl,

                          Thank you for this interpretation. It is interesting to think it is why only certain righteous people seem to go straight to Heaven upon death, as one understands by reading the Quranic passages, but with your explanation it becomes more clear now. I never thought about this certain difference between the Elite and the standard Heaven-dwellers.

                          Those "ultra-righteous" people seem to get a shortcut to Heaven, while those who have to be judged have to wait, ie for Lower Heaven or Hell, and perhaps Purgatory where those who are on the edge of Hell seem to end up, but I am not sure about the Purgatory.

                          This means prophets and messengers are already reclining on comfortable chairs in the sun with a glass of wine by now. Now I want to work even harder for redemption. )

                          I knew the Quran was not contradicting itself with this that at some portions of the Book you get the feeling some people get to Heaven immediately upon death, while at other parts it seems like they too have to wait until the Hour. Now it turns clear that there is a difference between the higher and lower Heaven.

                          Of course, God knows best, but I am glad being allowed a share of the Knowledge and Wisdom, the Truth. Now God has made his work through someone, and I constantly pray for guidance regarding the questions I have about the Quranic phrases.

                          God bless you

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                            Peace, Man of Faith.

                            I am obliged to say of the Book, standing by and for the Book when you ask from The Book. May God Bless Us All and May His Book by His Will, Guide Us All into it, the Straight Path to Heavenly Life in both the worlds.

                            drfazl

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                              Peace brother,

                              That was so true. Let the Light guide us.

                              God speed

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                                Peace,
                                The nafs or mind is an entity to receive the glad tidings and the admonitions through His Ruh, as He sends down His Soulful commandhuman's life is as simple as this.
                                Peace.

                                Peace drfazl,

                                Is not the nafs also the soul?
                                002.048
                                Waittaqoo yawman la tajzee nafsun
                                AAan nafsin shay-an wala yuqbalu minha shafaAAatun wala yu/khathu minha AAadlun
                                wala hum yunsaroona.

                                Beware of the day when no soul
                                can avail another soul, no intercession will
                                be accepted, no ransom can be paid, nor can anyone be helped.

                                peace

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                                  Ok now I see...things are getting complicated so I will make a simply question. What will happen on Judgement Day or Will everyone be judged on Judgment Day or Who will be judged on Judgment Day?

                                  Judgment Day is when the Father organizes His Children into the "new heavens and the new earth" to follow the time when the current heavens and the current earth pass away. All of this work to organize His Eternal Family takes about 1,000 years to perform.

                                  This process is alluded to when God creates Adam in His exact image and likeness and gives Him dominion over all things and charges Him to give every living thing a new "name". Depending upon what name a living soul receives, this determines what role they are fore-ordained to accomplish in the next round of creation. If they perform well they can advance. If they do not perform well then they regress. All of us come into this life with some level of privilege and expectation we are responsible for. So, we were all assessed and then assigned some kind of capacity when this process of giving out the new names is performed by Adam and it shall repeat again as we go into a new cycle of creation. The blueprint Adam uses to categorize everything is the creation account itself. So, rather than looking at the creation account as pertaining directly to the creation of the sun, moon, planets, stars, plants, fishes, birds, animals, etc. there is a different, more precise way of understanding what is being spoken about. These are all symbolic in nature to depict the level of spiritual glory a soul has the capacity to function in when they go into the "world to come".

                                  For example, if you read 1 Corinthians chapter 15 where Paul talks about how the resurrection of the dead in the "world to come" works, he draws upon all of these symbols in the creation account. Some shall be resurrected in the glory of the sun, moon and stars. Some will receive flesh likened in glory to that of fishes, fowls, creeping beasts and of man. All of this pertains to where the Father "names" us to function.

                                  This makes more sense when you look at the entire creation account as a master blueprint for the cycle of creation we are presently in

                                  Look at Day 4. It says the "greater light to rule the day" is created but it isn't referring to our actual sun shining in the sky. As I see it, it is saying that during the 4th millennia of this cycle of creation that the person who would become the great leader to establish the light and truth of the fullness of the glory of God would be born. Of course, this pertains to Jesus who came in the 4th millennia since the beginning. He called himself the light and life of the world because that is what he was ordained to fulfill. However, he won't actually rule and reign as such until he returns in glory.

                                  Look at what Day 5 of the creation account says. This is when the creatures of the waters wherein dwells the breath of life would manifest. What do we see in the 5th millennium since the beginning? We see the apostles of Jesus being sent out as "fishers of men". We hear their witness that the resurrected Lord in a body of flesh and bone takes cooked fishes into His body. What do Christians symbolize themselves as? Fishes. How are they "cooked"? They are baptized by water and by fire, which is receiving the Holy Ghost, the "breath of life". This is why being spiritually born-again is so important to them.

                                  When you get to Day 6 we see Adam comes at the end in the latter days so that He can make a new beginning and kick off a new cycle of Creation. This is when Daniel prophesies that Michael the prince shall stand up to receive His kingdom, but there shall be war in heaven. This is the fight between Adam and the Serpent that takes place at that time when the Father's Kingdom is being established during the 6th millennium. Sadly, the Serpent beguiles Adam's Bride (the Church) and they are driven out into the lone and dreary wilderness where the Adversary can afflict them and take them for a spoil until their day of redemption comes via Son of Man (Seth).

                                  Taking the symbols in the creation account as pertaining to actual people is explicitly established when you read Genesis 24 where it says everything in the creation account pertains to the generations of the heavens and the earth. When it says "generations" it means people. Thus, this means that all of the souls of the people are organized ahead of time as pertaining to where they are born and what conditions in life they shall enjoy.

                                  For example, if Adam gives you a name of "fish" then you will come fourth in the next round of creation as a Christian. If you are named as "Adam" then you shall participate again as one of those who participate as a member of Adam's body of flesh and bone to conduct this great labor of establishing the Kingdom of the Father on earth and performing this massive work of gathering genealogy and performing sacred ordinances in holy temples for every soul that has ever lived in the now closing cycle of creation.

                                  This post is a bit long, but it may help you further understand this
                                  http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605190.msg325064#msg325064

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                                    Peace hawk99,

                                    Soul is the real-self whereon the RUH of Allah descend bearing His Commands and Guidance; and Glad-tidings and warnings which is communicated to the nafs or the mind wherein already is the instituted behaviours and desires of the mankind. Here his criterion should work and shall make the right choice between the desires of nafs and the Will of RUH. And the Soul will be the prime witness for or against any one whether he abided or not by the command of the RUH.

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                                      This post is a bit long, but it may help you further understand this

                                      http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?topic=9605190.msg325064#msg325064

                                      Peace

                                      Can you summarise and brief your conclusion with regard to man as to what this present heavens and the earth means; and the next and the next; and the cycle with reference to the purpose of man's creation and Father?

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                                        Peace

                                        Can you summarise and brief your conclusion with regard to man as to what this present heavens and the earth means; and the next and the next; and the cycle with reference to the purpose of man's creation and Father?

                                        I will try to.

                                        The creation account is a master blueprint of one cycle of creation with each day being a millennium. All of the things mentioned in it pertain symbolically to people and the levels of glory they are fore-ordained to for that cycle of creation. Genesis 24 says this explicitly that all of the things mentioned in the days of creation are the "generations". This means it should all be resolved in terms of people, not cosmic stuff people try to make it into. This verse also says a creation is organized in a "day". This means that there is one millennium that is used to organize a new cycle so that there is a new heavens and a new earth planned out ahead of it actually manifesting. This simply means that all of the roles for the pattern to play out again are re-staffed and the cycle plays out in another round with new souls fore-ordained to act in different positions of responsibility. At the end of a cycle Adam comes to lay the foundation for a new cycle. He gives everyone their new names because it is His responsibility to perform the organization of all these things. Knowing the "Father" as Adam, in both the ending and the beginning of a cycle of creation, is a crucial piece of information to bring the whole crux of religion into a clear focus.

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                                          I will try to.

                                          The creation account is a master blueprint of one cycle of creation with each day being a millennium. All of the things mentioned in it pertain symbolically to people and the levels of glory they are fore-ordained to for that cycle of creation. Genesis 24 says this explicitly that all of the things mentioned in the days of creation are the "generations". This means it should all be resolved in terms of people, not cosmic stuff people try to make it into. This verse also says a creation is organized in a "day". This means that there is one millennium that is used to organize a new cycle so that there is a new heavens and a new earth planned out ahead of it actually manifesting. This simply means that all of the roles for the pattern to play out again are re-staffed and the cycle plays out in another round with new souls fore-ordained to act in different positions of responsibility. At the end of a cycle Adam comes to lay the foundation for a new cycle. He gives everyone their new names because it is His responsibility to perform the organization of all these things. Knowing the "Father" as Adam, in both the ending and the beginning of a cycle of creation, is a crucial piece of information to bring the whole crux of religion into a clear focus.

                                          I take the very first sentence of this post to clarify so that it could serve as strong basis to comprehend before proceeding to other lines of your post one by one. I understand this summary involves millenniums ahead of things, prescribed and preordained in the master blueprint according to which the design will be unfolded during the course. This includes all the natural catastrophes, and the declining world order, ever-growing diseases; afflictions and sufferings of unimaginable and intolerable proportions; and disasters and destruction from every direction from the seas, from the land and from the skies above and from sources unknown. All this we witness without doubt and we shall know it is the unfolding of the destructive master blueprint. Every invention of man up to atomic knowledge, is more destructive than beneficial to man. Why this master blueprint is designed to be all destructive and that too preordained? If each day actually is a thousand years, our average life span is only 85 years, it amounts to not even 1/10th of a day of 24 hours. Thus our life on this world is just under 2.00 hours. Please tell us from the Genesis, how to plan and go down with the master blueprint of destruction, from birth in 2 hours countdown to death.

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