To all of you Hijab supporters out there
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Peace Israfeel,
I don't agree unsurprisingly. Because Allah swt actually mentions mistakes of believers including Prophet Muhammad, Prophet Ibrahim and so on. So it does fit for one text to say this and point out the best behaviours and another text to say all behaviours must be followed including how Prophet Muhammad urinated. I think however we will just continue to disagree on this point.
Then why Quran says that Prophet Muhammad is Uswatun Hasanah (good example to follow)?? Why Quran says in several places to follow the Prophet Muhammad (Sallallahu alaihi wasallam)?
All of your arguments are going against the Quran.
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Peace Israfeel,
My arguments aren't going against the Quran. Prophet Muhammad and all the Messengers and believers who are examples to all mankind such as Maryam, they are all examples to us. They were very good people and believers. But it doesn't mean we imitate them. We know the best behaviours and we know they too made mistakes, faced challenges and learnt. That in itself is a general lesson about humanity as a whole. We are also supposed to use our own God given sense and be individuals. This is something that we are going to go round in circles on aren't we?
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The San'a manuscripts are not the complete Quran, it is fragments. There is also variations within the fragments discovered by archeologists.
The fact of the matter is that the earliest COMPLETE manuscript of the Quran which corresponds to the Quran you have in your home is some 200 years AFTER Prophet Muhammad Sallallahu alaihi wasallam died
Yeah atleast the Quran have earlier manuscript during Muhammad era, rather than not.
This means Quranic writing is Nabi Muhammad's order and of course the Quran's authantic is already proofed by scientist and no single contradictions.So you're using Hadith to prove Quran?? rotfl rotfl
You don't need to laugh bro.
Maybe I'm little bit different with some Quranist in here.I'm not reject hadith entirelly.
The only reason I rejecting hadith is Ahadith was written 100-200 years after the death of Prophet Muhammad and only transmitted with oral transmission which is very dangerous for used as source of fiqh, hukm, aqidah of Islam because human's memory is limited plus some narrators are liar like Abu Hurairah.
Do yo know how Abu Hurairah who only met Nabi for 2-3 years could collecting more hadiths rather than Ali Ibn Thalib and Umar Khattab who live with Nabi in entire life and even collecting more hadith than Aisyah the wife of Nabi?
Just read in this site for some proof http//www.irfi.org/general/history_of_hadiths.htm
Beside that I still use hadith for historical literatures for knowing Sira' of Nabi Muhammad and Sahabat's backgrounds even hadith already distorted.
Why?Unlike the Quran, some historical literatures still contain contradictions, and none single of them is perfect and hadith is one of them. -
I am sorry but these hadeeth people are moving away from the subject. I am seriously interested in this theme and would like to hear arguments.
My question is quoll someone please show me image of a believing women in front of father/brother/uncle and what is the difference when she's in front of strangers...according to Quran only. Thank you! -
Yes mmmm.
Most of them is like that.I also get debate with Sunnis in domestic online forum, and they just like ahlan Israfeel.They avoiding some of the facts I gave to them which originally tackle their arguments then try move away the subject.
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Israfeel
Many of us on this page are former Sunnis .. My cousine was a hard core Sunni who hated quran aloners and he came here just like you to convince people of sunnism but people here helped him to understand why Quran alone should be followed and he is now Quran alone .. Thus if you think that you can beat people here by sunnism then that won't happen as we are already familiar with sunnism .. At least most of us are ..
Peace
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Peace Israfeel,
Waiting for years? Poor being.
The Quran is not useless garbage compared to hadith. There you have your answer after years of waiting.
And it is special because it does not contain any nonsense.
You forget the parameter as having Faith that God can preserve something He promises to preserve. It is a lack of Faith in my opinion not to trust Him.
I still do not understand what you are going to do with your big fat hadith books which contains corrupted ways of living for a civilization 1400 years ago. Like I said before, use common sense and trust God will help you make the right decisions in life. Reverent and steadfast living will be rewarded by Knowledge and Wisdom from God, it is much better than any content you can find in your insignificant hadith books containing disinformation and false practices, basically books filled with lies.
God bless you
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oh gosh im so confused reading this thread lol. what was the question again? well ive forgotten the main question but i just wanted to say
I'm from US, and a convert so I dont know too much about anything but here is my logic.
i noticed in the Quran that whenever Allah gave some revelation to the Prophet, it starts with Bismillah and some arabic letters...as if to announce that what was about to come out of the Prophets mouth was not coming from him but from God...Idk if that is correct but regardless, there is a distinction between Muhammad as a Prophet and as a man, because everything God wanted us to hear from/through him in terms of divinity was obviously put in Quran. By default doesn't that mean that everything else the Prophet said was not meant to be associated with divinity? in that case how can one assign divine attributes to the hadith?I think that people have blurred the line of demarcation that separates Muhammad as the man that he was, and Muhammad as the messenger that he was. However God made this line pretty bold and clear. What is the difference between imitating someone and idolizing them? What is the difference between respecting someone and revering them? Those lines seem, IMO, to be faint and I can't see the difference when I look at mainstream Islam and those who insist that every movement of the Prophet should be parroted.
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i think this is something that is like an epiphany---either you see it or you dont see it. so until then circles it shall be confused
Peace Israfeel,
My arguments aren't going against the Quran. Prophet Muhammad and all the Messengers and believers who are examples to all mankind such as Maryam, they are all examples to us. They were very good people and believers. But it doesn't mean we imitate them. We know the best behaviours and we know they too made mistakes, faced challenges and learnt. That in itself is a general lesson about humanity as a whole. We are also supposed to use our own God given sense and be individuals. This is something that we are going to go round in circles on aren't we?
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Peace,
My relationship with God says that when a person infused with the Holy Spirit utters anything it comes automagically from the mouth without the person needing to do much but trust God. It is the inspiration which helps the person utter the Truth and the stronger in the Holy Spirit the more infallible wordings as they are so bound tight to God. The Holy Spirit is the spirit of God. It is a help granted to those who are Believers and can be infused upon anyone as God pleases, any blessed man or woman.
The person is still himself and has to steer his body right, and you can see it as having a semi-automatic control. One can still go wrong and are still under God's testing and losing Faith, becoming arrogant and all the usual bad traits may make the spirit of God depart from you.
The Holy Spirit gives Knowledge and Wisdom as well as Guidance of course.
Sorry for posting in an inappropriate thread. It was a reply to curious minds. There is much more to it and I may create my own thread about this phenomenon.
God bless you
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I am sorry but these hadeeth people are moving away from the subject. I am seriously interested in this theme and would like to hear arguments.
My question is quoll someone please show me image of a believing women in front of father/brother/uncle and what is the difference when she's in front of strangers...according to Quran only. Thank you!Hi,
I thought of the same thing when I was studying this and what I understood was basically whatever you are comfortable or is acceptable to wear around male family members, you should cover a bit more when you go out. For example I could wear a tank top and shorts at home but wear at least a t-shirt and calf-length jeans outside. Or loose jeans. At least. Ideal would be a skirt that goes below the knee or longer. It also depends where I will be.
I think the objective is to not show/flaunt sexuality. And Allah says not to strike your feet lest you expose your adornments. Think about what can be shown when striking your feet.. Chest, behind and perhaps thighs.