Why i drink and eat during ramadhan
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Peace Aamer,
your translation is not appropriate. There is no "can" or "may" in the original. It is simply an imperative
2187 And eat and drink until the white thread is distinct from the black thread of dawn
Hence your conclusion is not compelling.
Peace be with you.
Salaam Aamer and Timur,
There is no mention of "eat and drink" in this aayat. Please take a look at 6145 and 2236.
6145
6145 Say "I find not in the message received by me by inspiration any forbidden to be eaten by one who wishes to eat it, unless it be dead meat, or blood poured forth, or the flesh of swine,- for it is an abomination - or, what is impious, on which a name has been invoked, other than Allah's". But, if a person is forced by necessity, without wilful disobedience, nor transgressing due limits,- thy Lord is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful.You can see a different word for eat in 6145.
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2236 And the camels and cattle We have appointed for you as among the symbols of Allah ; for you therein is good. So mention the name of Allah upon them when lined up; and when they are on their sides, then eat from them and feed the needy and the beggar. Thus have We subjected them to you that you may be grateful.They have translated here both the words ta3aam as feed and kuloo as eat. How can Allah command us to eat from animals when they fell on their sides. As far as I know, no one in the world start eating that animal when they fell on ground on their sides. Hence, kuloo does not mean eat. ta3am is the word used for eating.
May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
mmKhan -
I agree that there is more than one way of fasting. And I have done a three day no talking fast (certainly more challenging, for me anyway, than a no food/water fast). However, how on Earth do you guys get around the capitalized part below. God says we can eat and drink UNTIL the break of dawn. Then we must fast until the night. This clearly indicates that eating and drinking is not allowed from break of dawn until night. If that's not the case, why would God even mention you can eat and drink in the night. Let's put two and two together, do we need every little bit of common sense spelled out for us? This seems like another case of rebel new age Muslims rebelling against everything the Sunnis and Shia do. I don't take their foolish Hadith as scripture either. But let's maintain a little common sense and not rebel against every ritual they practice. These rituals are much older than Prophet Muhammad and we must respect them. Keep it real my brothers and sisters. Don't go into Hippy Rebel Muslim land. That's as dangerous as following Hadith. Because you're just making up your own rules too just as they did. Salat & fasting were not new concepts at the time of Muhammad. People already knew what they were and how to do them. Just my two cents. Peace!
Not at all, not in my case. First of all, I don't see why you need to use language like "new age Muslims" and "hippy rebel". In fact, I have defended those who partially follow hadith in accordance with the Quran, because they may be sincere. Only Allah - our Creator - can judge our sincerity, and we know it but others don't really fully appreciate it. I have found some people, in fact they are praised by other people following Quran alone, rejecting all those who follow hadiths in anyway and saying we cannot even be "friends" with them, whatever this may mean to each individual. It's very unhelpful and doesn't seem to fit at all the qualities of a believers that our Creator is constantly guiding us towards.
How much is that discussed?
How much do people following Quran alone follow through with the idea that the practices of the West are just as much against the Quran as those of the East? I've come across some people saying that the West is more blessed because its not like the "Muslim East". So, I guess every poor country is being punished and every rich country is being blessed. Pharoah comes to mind when people talk like this.I'm not saying you are, of course, it's just a point about general behaviour that is related to how we discuss.
Some people questioning how we should fast and offering alternatives is FAR from rebelling against Hadith. If that individual is sincere, then they are trying to find a way to serve our Creator in the best way.
Isn't this what it's all about, our Creator? Sometimes, I just feel this is missing sometimes in the discussion here. I mean we don't need to go overboard, but if we don't keep that focus then we may start to see Islam and the Quran as something very human rather than Divine guidance and very 'this world' rather than spiritual and a connection to our Creator and Sustainer.
May Allah be glorified above all they associate with Him.
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Peace Aamer.
How does that change anything? It still says "until". It really doesn't change the meaning. Please explain your point.
There is a command to eat and drink until dawn. This sounds to me like a collective meal to start the day of abstination. But where do you find the precise command not to eat and drink form dawn until night? There is the command to abstain, but does this necessarily refer to food and beverages? The only clear example of an abstination is mary abstaining from speaking.
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Peace mmkhan.
Thank you for your interesting post.
What does it mean then? And what about shariba, what does it mean if not drinking?
Peace Timur,
You are welcome brother handshake
Please take a look here for its detail.
May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
mmKhan -
Why i drink and eat during ramadhan
Salaam
1926 "So eat and drink and be happy. If you see any human being, then say 'I have vowed an abstinence (SAOUM) for the Almighty, so I will not talk today to any of mankind.'"Saoum= abstinence for the Almighty, so I will not talk today to any of mankind
You people disgust me so much.
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ermitted for you (in the) nights (of) fasting (is) the approach to your wives. They (are) garments for you and you (are) garments for them. Knows Allah that you used to deceive yourselves, so He turned towards you and He forgave you. So now have relations with them and seek what has ordained Allah for you. And eat and drink until becomes distinct to you the thread white from the thread black of dawn. Then complete the fast till the night. And (do) not have relations with them while you (are) secluded in the masajid. These (are the) limits (set by) Allah, so (do) not approach them. Thus makes clear Allah His verses for people so that they may (become) righteous.Apparently not clear to everyone though.
Is it that you're a weakling and cowardly? You have some great love of food that you can't even restrain yourself for a few hours? That you'll never know in person even a fragment of the plight of the poor, only the plight of those who have decided not to talk or the mute, when food fasting was well understood and then explicitly described?
Who follows "noshirk" in this practice?
You're not at all ashamed of yourself? How does your mind work? I really wonder. What goes on in your head? You don't want to fast, and so you find excuses not to fast? Right now billions of people are not eating, some because of they can't, others because they aren't eating due to the fast, and you're sitting there and eating and drinking and typing even and what are you learning or practicing? Practicing how great it is to not make any sacrifices?
Why then do you even do worse, and try to mix up and include the Qur'an in all this or Islam? You simply want to eat food constantly, so eat food! Why do you have to try to use the Qur'an, when you're just an endlessly hungry person?
Will your hunger ever be sated?
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I don't think that saum which is prescribed for us is similar with Maryam's abstinence (1926).
I very much doubt if saum for us is refrain from speaking... because... imagine if such method is applied in my country...
What if all of the muslims in Indonesia do not speak to each other for some days at daylight?
I guess there would be uncontrolled situations at many places here and also people become unproductive... so, how could we feel happy because of that?
If the abstinence is refrain from eating and drinking, then we could still perform our usual daily activities.
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You're not at all ashamed of yourself? How does your mind work? I really wonder. What goes on in your head? You don't want to fast, and so you find excuses not to fast? Right now billions of people are not eating, some because of they can't, others because they aren't eating due to the fast, and you're sitting there and eating and drinking and typing even and what are you learning or practicing? Practicing how great it is to not make any sacrifices?
Why then do you even do worse, and try to mix up and include the Qur'an in all this or Islam? You simply want to eat food constantly, so eat food! Why do you have to try to use the Qur'an, when you're just an endlessly hungry person?
Will your hunger ever be sated?
Peace,
See!!! This is what happened if you fast .
BTW, your post that I agree with most of it's part contradicts with this. Why don't you take here that people are doing what Allah has shown them as truth? Why you want to go against the guidance of Allah that He guided to people? How you call names to those who sincerely trying to follow the guidance of Allah? Is it not good to put forward your personal understanding instead of shouting and taking out your frustration on others? What do you know about others are you an aalimul ghaib?
May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
mmKhan -
I don't think that saum which is prescribed for us is similar with Maryam's abstinence (1926).
I very much doubt if saum for us is refrain from speaking... because... imagine if such method is applied in my country...
What if all of the muslims in Indonesia do not speak to each other for some days at daylight?
I guess there would be uncontrolled situations at many places here and also people become unproductive... so, how could we feel happy because of that?
If the abstinence is refrain from eating and drinking, then we could still perform our usual daily activities.
Peace,
Red It is not for all muslims, but only for those who are aamanu )
I personally think that the way of saum is always same and it is shown to us in Maryam's case. That is the only description we have of saum in alQuraan as per my understanding. You are free to disagree with it.May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
mmKhan -
You people disgust me so much.
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ermitted for you (in the) nights (of) fasting (is) the approach to your wives. They (are) garments for you and you (are) garments for them. Knows Allah that you used to deceive yourselves, so He turned towards you and He forgave you. So now have relations with them and seek what has ordained Allah for you. And eat and drink until becomes distinct to you the thread white from the thread black of dawn. Then complete the fast till the night. And (do) not have relations with them while you (are) secluded in the masajid. These (are the) limits (set by) Allah, so (do) not approach them. Thus makes clear Allah His verses for people so that they may (become) righteous.Apparently not clear to everyone though.
Is it that you're a weakling and cowardly? You have some great love of food that you can't even restrain yourself for a few hours? That you'll never know in person even a fragment of the plight of the poor, only the plight of those who have decided not to talk or the mute, when food fasting was well understood and then explicitly described?
Who follows "noshirk" in this practice?
You're not at all ashamed of yourself? How does your mind work? I really wonder. What goes on in your head? You don't want to fast, and so you find excuses not to fast? Right now billions of people are not eating, some because of they can't, others because they aren't eating due to the fast, and you're sitting there and eating and drinking and typing even and what are you learning or practicing? Practicing how great it is to not make any sacrifices?
Why then do you even do worse, and try to mix up and include the Qur'an in all this or Islam? You simply want to eat food constantly, so eat food! Why do you have to try to use the Qur'an, when you're just an endlessly hungry person?
Will your hunger ever be sated?
I agree with you FreedomStands, you have made my point about preferring
truth over falsehood, we counter falsehood with the truth as per Quran,
but stay calm and know that you cannot guide those whom Allah has caused
to stray, all you can do in a forum setting is to make your point by giving
food for thought. (no pun intended)God bless
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You people disgust me so much.
2187
ermitted for you (in the) nights (of) fasting (is) the approach to your wives. They (are) garments for you and you (are) garments for them. Knows Allah that you used to deceive yourselves, so He turned towards you and He forgave you. So now have relations with them and seek what has ordained Allah for you. And eat and drink until becomes distinct to you the thread white from the thread black of dawn. Then complete the fast till the night. And (do) not have relations with them while you (are) secluded in the masajid. These (are the) limits (set by) Allah, so (do) not approach them. Thus makes clear Allah His verses for people so that they may (become) righteous.Apparently not clear to everyone though.
Is it that you're a weakling and cowardly? You have some great love of food that you can't even restrain yourself for a few hours? That you'll never know in person even a fragment of the plight of the poor, only the plight of those who have decided not to talk or the mute, when food fasting was well understood and then explicitly described?
Who follows "noshirk" in this practice?
You're not at all ashamed of yourself? How does your mind work? I really wonder. What goes on in your head? You don't want to fast, and so you find excuses not to fast? Right now billions of people are not eating, some because of they can't, others because they aren't eating due to the fast, and you're sitting there and eating and drinking and typing even and what are you learning or practicing? Practicing how great it is to not make any sacrifices?
Why then do you even do worse, and try to mix up and include the Qur'an in all this or Islam? You simply want to eat food constantly, so eat food! Why do you have to try to use the Qur'an, when you're just an endlessly hungry person?
Will your hunger ever be sated?
Did you witness ?
How!?
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Peace,
See!!! This is what happened if you fast .
BTW, your post that I agree with most of it's part contradicts with this. Why don't you take here that people are doing what Allah has shown them as truth? Why you want to go against the guidance of Allah that He guided to people? How you call names to those who sincerely trying to follow the guidance of Allah? Is it not good to put forward your personal understanding instead of shouting and taking out your frustration on others? What do you know about others are you an aalimul ghaib?
May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
mmKhanWhat do you mean? Allah has guided some people to kill the innocent and harm others, am I to say that is good and fine and say nothing?
The verses in the Qur'an seem pretty clear about mentioning food and drink and then ceasing food and drink during the period of fasting, nothing at all about talking in those references.
It is my duty to try to say the right thing, at least it will be counted towards my credit, while all the wrong things the other people are saying will perhaps be counted against them.
I brought up points so that people (a guest was viewing this thread which is how I got here) might re-consider when reading this and not think that fasting means not talking.
This website is a hub for misguiding people, and many new Muslims come here too. Yes, Allah will misguide whom Allah wills, just as Allah has placed some of us to speak the truth and fight against misguidance.
Did Allah not set up adversaries and liars who are meant to be opposed?
It is our duty to speak out against falsehood and the prominent in misleading people, and if your voice can't be heard then speak up louder.
People are starving in the world man! Fasting for me isn't difficult, but people who seem to me to be lying to people regarding fasting is very disturbing to me especially when so many people are fasting in the world right now and besides that many others are genuinely starving or unable to purchase food even, even some of the animals are hungry right now, and this is a time of great heat and suffering to be considerate and compassionate and strong.
The ones who don't do it, remind me how those who didn't go to war and stayed back home are berated in the Qur'an too.
My attitude is totally Qur'anic, still even, and the Qur'an and the Prophets go ahead and even curse people for their various things.
I didn't go that far, because I don't know what Allah has planned for these people who try to turn people away from fasting and praying. They may be devils, and of course they may not know it.
Of course, I may be a chief devil, but I'll do what I do and they will do what they will do, and one of the things I will do is fight those I deem to be lying misleaders.
You all can practice your "lukewarm" version of things, neither fasting, nor praying, nor doing anything particularly, even communicating on the computer while apparently not supposed to "talk", "not supposed to talk with our voices, he could communicate with signs, so we can communicate via typing" lol What a joke.
Maybe you'll all have miraculous children too just like those pious people? Maybe your children will be Muslims if you aren't already.
You even call prayer a Burden when it is a FAVOR. The angels praise and pray unceasingly, they do not flag or weaken, that is a gift from Allah, that is not a burden, it says it is only difficult for those who aren't humble.
You think that as a person gets more righteous, they leave off prayer, they leave off fasting, they leave off discipline, they leave off everything? That is so backwards. No, as a person gets more righteous, they increase in prayer, they increase in fasting, they increase in discipline, these "burdens" are the gift of Allah.
We become MORE slave like, more humble, not walking around with dirty anuses thinking we are the righteous kings of the world.
God has corrupted some of your minds it seems, and yes of course, you'll not be released from that unless God wills.
Did that stop the messengers from giving the message? Did that stop them from saying LISTEN! Make sense! Come on!
Yes its futile, for you maybe, but not for me, if I am right, then my speeches are an increase in goodness for me, a practice that garners reward, and not only that, but I read them too and learn from what I write.
Do you see yourself as a devil? When you make little snide remarks and smile to yourself? How is it that you're so bold to bit by bit leave off the whole religion? That boldness is incredible! Only a person who doesn't fear God could be capable of being so incredibly bold, to leave off prayer, leave off fasting, leave off everything (I know you haven't left off prayer yet, I think you said).
I make jokes too of course, but I think they are a bit different since I'm encouraging an increase in things if anything, not a decrease or elimination of fasting, praying, etc.
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@ FS
I'm not always agree with mmKhan's understandings, but remember that we're in the learning phase,
so, perhaps our current understanding about "fasting" also has flaw (which we don't aware of),
even though I do want to follow the best understanding,
and I think it's better if we are careful (speak wisely) if we speak to other people who have loyalty to Allah, in my current opinion, mmKhan is one of them.
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@ FS
I'm not always agree with mmKhan's understandings, but remember that we're in the learning phase,
so, perhaps our current understanding about "fasting" also has flaw (which we don't aware of),
even though I do want to follow the best understanding,
and I think it's better if we are careful (speak wisely) if we speak to other people who have loyalty to Allah, in my current opinion, mmKhan is one of them.
He prays at least still. I think its a major sin though to try to get people to stop praying or fasting etc.
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I think its a major sin though to try to get people to stop praying or fasting etc.
Hmm... it could be (in my opinion) - if their understanding of those matters are indeed wrong.
But, personally, I think those who commit terrible sin (which I think also our worst enemies) are those who dishonestly make effort to make other people disobey God (and/or make other people heedless about God), especially those who do that in subtle way.
I hate people who "attack/oppose" God in subtle way - reminded me of poisonous snakes.
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Hmm... it could be (in my opinion) - if their understanding of those matters are indeed wrong.
But, personally, I think those who commit terrible sin (which I think also our worst enemies) are those who dishonestly make effort to make other people disobey God (and/or make other people heedless about God), especially those who do that in subtle way.
I hate people who "attack/oppose" God in subtle way - reminded me of poisonous snakes.
Me too. I guess these people are sincere at least, but then even the ones who would try to attack/oppose God covertly must think they are doing good.
The Qur'an, as I read today, said that they think they are rightly guided, so genuinely think they are doing right or good. It would be strange for a person to be doing what they actually don't want to do or think is better, people always tend to follow what they want and think is better or smarter or whatever.
What bothers me about these characters, even if they are sincere (which I think they probably are), is they try to turn people away from fasting, praying, and other things like that, when people are visiting this site who are confused already and want to learn about Islam and there are people saying prayer is a burden rather than a gift, and to leave off prayer entirely is righteousness, and to leave off fasting, etc. I find them to be big devils even if they don't know they are and think they are very right, they seem to be fearlessly bold in even daring to try to take away prayer from people.
If I see a girl in hijab, I don't try to tell her to take it off, or even if the person is following Hadiths if they are doing righteous conduct I don't try to tell them to stop.
How could I ever feel right telling a person that the truly righteous don't need to pray and that people should reduce their prayers and then cut them off entirely?
How could I tell people that you are better off not worshiping God?
How could I tell people that they should forget about fasting and just not talking is good enough.
Or that somehow nobody understood what was being said when Misr was being mentioned even though that was the common word used to refer to Egypt in even the earlier Semitic languages like Hebrew.
These people are perhaps sincere believers in all this, but they are too bold. I think if they existed in the time of the Qur'an it would likely have spoken out against them.
The Qur'an even mentions people who forbid the taking of the names of God, those who tell people not to pray, and Shaitan telling people to disbelieve and whatever or trying to make people do shirk as some have even gone into on this site thinking they have some power to manipulate even by their thoughts as if they are "co-creators" or Gods or something, the shirk has come into the picture in many ways.
My views are straightforward and straightforwardly Qur'an based too (mainstream translations)
There is only the Supreme Allah, not being a creature or form of any sort, having power over everything and being omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent etc, what everything exists within and exists by.
That there are angels, jinn, and humans, as well as other animals, and that there is the Earth we live on.
That there is Shaitan, who is a jinn given an extended life, who operates plans to spread corruption and prove the humans are evil who are evil.
That revelations have been given throughout history, that the revelations always promoted the same religion and practices, standing, bowing, prostrating, fasting, and all the rest (as can be historically verified too pretty convincingly).
That the prophets, we don't distinguish between them, and they all brought the same message and were all good, sincere, nice people who God made nice people and made messengers, there was nothing involved except God's grace on them, they didn't make themselves prophets and no one can.
That Muhammed is the last prophet, there are no further Prophets and the Qur'an is the book he brought and there are no further books after the Qur'an though there can be continuous wisdom and good sayings, the Qur'an is the last revelation.
Stuff like that!
That there is no sex before marriage, that there is no adultery, no fornication, no alcohol, no pork, no lying (unless part of strategy like in war or to save one's own life or people), no cheating or defrauding, no stealing, keeping to what the Qur'an says, no spreading corruption or promoting evil or tolerating or supporting it the way that Lot's wife was a supporter.
That the Qur'an in its mainstream translations is generally acceptable for the most part and not a cause of trouble as much as perhaps some of these re-interpretations that are trying to spread that fornication is ok, that every sort of sin is fine, that pork is fine, that alcohol is fine, that not praying is fine, that not fasting is fine, etc.
That such people who do that, even though they may think they are righteous, are deep in sin for spreading corruption and things that would not particularly help anyone (making people more like the kaffirs).
etc etc and etc!
