Why i drink and eat during ramadhan
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I think its a major sin though to try to get people to stop praying or fasting etc.
Hmm... it could be (in my opinion) - if their understanding of those matters are indeed wrong.
But, personally, I think those who commit terrible sin (which I think also our worst enemies) are those who dishonestly make effort to make other people disobey God (and/or make other people heedless about God), especially those who do that in subtle way.
I hate people who "attack/oppose" God in subtle way - reminded me of poisonous snakes.
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Hmm... it could be (in my opinion) - if their understanding of those matters are indeed wrong.
But, personally, I think those who commit terrible sin (which I think also our worst enemies) are those who dishonestly make effort to make other people disobey God (and/or make other people heedless about God), especially those who do that in subtle way.
I hate people who "attack/oppose" God in subtle way - reminded me of poisonous snakes.
Me too. I guess these people are sincere at least, but then even the ones who would try to attack/oppose God covertly must think they are doing good.
The Qur'an, as I read today, said that they think they are rightly guided, so genuinely think they are doing right or good. It would be strange for a person to be doing what they actually don't want to do or think is better, people always tend to follow what they want and think is better or smarter or whatever.
What bothers me about these characters, even if they are sincere (which I think they probably are), is they try to turn people away from fasting, praying, and other things like that, when people are visiting this site who are confused already and want to learn about Islam and there are people saying prayer is a burden rather than a gift, and to leave off prayer entirely is righteousness, and to leave off fasting, etc. I find them to be big devils even if they don't know they are and think they are very right, they seem to be fearlessly bold in even daring to try to take away prayer from people.
If I see a girl in hijab, I don't try to tell her to take it off, or even if the person is following Hadiths if they are doing righteous conduct I don't try to tell them to stop.
How could I ever feel right telling a person that the truly righteous don't need to pray and that people should reduce their prayers and then cut them off entirely?
How could I tell people that you are better off not worshiping God?
How could I tell people that they should forget about fasting and just not talking is good enough.
Or that somehow nobody understood what was being said when Misr was being mentioned even though that was the common word used to refer to Egypt in even the earlier Semitic languages like Hebrew.
These people are perhaps sincere believers in all this, but they are too bold. I think if they existed in the time of the Qur'an it would likely have spoken out against them.
The Qur'an even mentions people who forbid the taking of the names of God, those who tell people not to pray, and Shaitan telling people to disbelieve and whatever or trying to make people do shirk as some have even gone into on this site thinking they have some power to manipulate even by their thoughts as if they are "co-creators" or Gods or something, the shirk has come into the picture in many ways.
My views are straightforward and straightforwardly Qur'an based too (mainstream translations)
There is only the Supreme Allah, not being a creature or form of any sort, having power over everything and being omnipotent, omniscient, and omnipresent etc, what everything exists within and exists by.
That there are angels, jinn, and humans, as well as other animals, and that there is the Earth we live on.
That there is Shaitan, who is a jinn given an extended life, who operates plans to spread corruption and prove the humans are evil who are evil.
That revelations have been given throughout history, that the revelations always promoted the same religion and practices, standing, bowing, prostrating, fasting, and all the rest (as can be historically verified too pretty convincingly).
That the prophets, we don't distinguish between them, and they all brought the same message and were all good, sincere, nice people who God made nice people and made messengers, there was nothing involved except God's grace on them, they didn't make themselves prophets and no one can.
That Muhammed is the last prophet, there are no further Prophets and the Qur'an is the book he brought and there are no further books after the Qur'an though there can be continuous wisdom and good sayings, the Qur'an is the last revelation.
Stuff like that!
That there is no sex before marriage, that there is no adultery, no fornication, no alcohol, no pork, no lying (unless part of strategy like in war or to save one's own life or people), no cheating or defrauding, no stealing, keeping to what the Qur'an says, no spreading corruption or promoting evil or tolerating or supporting it the way that Lot's wife was a supporter.
That the Qur'an in its mainstream translations is generally acceptable for the most part and not a cause of trouble as much as perhaps some of these re-interpretations that are trying to spread that fornication is ok, that every sort of sin is fine, that pork is fine, that alcohol is fine, that not praying is fine, that not fasting is fine, etc.
That such people who do that, even though they may think they are righteous, are deep in sin for spreading corruption and things that would not particularly help anyone (making people more like the kaffirs).
etc etc and etc!
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Okay. Thank you very much Freedomstands. I consider it freeing them of their confusion and you call it devilish.
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Okay. Thank you very much Freedomstands. I consider it freeing them of their confusion and you call it devilish.
Yeah. In the case of those who don't want to pray, I think they should not pray at all, but when it comes to a world program, my calculations seem to indicate that prayer is better for the people and communities who want to do it than to leave it off and be more like the drunkard disbelievers/confused ones.
So I find that the Qur'an, in its mainstream version with the mainstream Islamic practices aside from some of the stupid ones of the Hadith, are actually good for society, like regular meditations, fasting for a month of compassionate consideration, charity, etc etc.
I find that promoting the leaving off of such things to be not particularly beneficial or producing really disciplined or good people who are reminded of God throughout the day, keep from evil at those times etc.
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Freedomstands,
But meditation, reflection and contemplation is not ritualistic prayer. I have never said a word that you cannot do that or even speak out loud to your Sustainer, only that even if you do not then your Sustainer knows what you wish and need without you mentioning that. Constant repetition does not really help either.
The point with Quran is that people are confused into believing there are rituals in it and may be begin with something which is merely a distraction. I briefly begun with the ritual salat between the years 2011 - 2014 (although the last year I continued "in case of" I was wrong) and if Quran was properly interpreted I would not have been deceived that the Sustainer prescribes such a dubious practice.
If people rather reflected and considered upon what they can do to prevent themselves from doing the sins which are stated in the "Ten Commandments" then they need no religion with all its rituals. Meditation you can carry out without doing some fancy movements and parroted words. Many do this prayer ritual and feel proud they are so pious too. But the Sustainer cannot be bribed through mere words such like you could appeal to an ancient king. The god concept is clearly man-made and resembles the prostration you would do to a king to make the king pleased and milder. The Sustainer has no such ego nor any needs for that sake. Only results prove anything, i.e. to clearly become perfected or at least as perfect as you can.
Glorification I call attempts at bribery. Why do it to an intelligence that you cannot appeal to and fool through mere words. The Sustainer can abstractly read your mind and see you honor it without any artificial physical rituals.
Be well
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Peace FreedomStands,
At least me, I am not bold as you are. I don't call names as you do. I don't say praying is not required straightly, but I say in my personal understanding, this is a burden. I am not bold like you saying fasting means abstaining from eating and drinking or whatever. How do you confirm this? As you said, there is nothing static, then why are you promoting it? It may change anytime, no?
And you don't know anything about me yet. And you still falsely claim that I believe this and this. I didn't say alSalaat is a burden for me, but I mean the time bounding is a burden for me. Before understanding it properly, how could you promote it wrongly about others when you know nothing about them? Just by seeing some of their posts you decided that they are devils, kafirs, hypocrites, etc.? This is boldness and still you blame others being bold about Allah.
And you are trying to impose your religion on others by force! Why? Who are you to do that? Did Allah gave you such authority? It seems that you are a frustrated salafi who believes in war and fighting. To me, what you are doing brings you near shirk. But still I will not call names as you do. Because Allah is the better judge between us. And He showed me the following to tell to people like you
1041
And if they deny you, then say, "For me are my deeds, and for you are your deeds. You are disassociated from what I do, and I am disassociated from what you do."
May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
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Peace FreedomStands,
And you are trying to impose your religion on others by force! Why? Who are you to do that? Did Allah gave you such authority? It seems that you are a frustrated salafi who believes in war and fightingTo me, what you are doing brings you near shirk. But still I will not call names as you do..Hilarious, even though I suspect that you did not intend for it to be so! )
Peace mmkhan, FreedomStands has a right to his point of view just as you do,
You accuse him of forceful views while you do the same, only in an around about way.As far as drawing conclusions about people
If we will, we can expose them for you, so that you can recognize them
just by looking at them. However, you can recognize them by the way they talk (type).
GOD is fully aware of all your works.God bless
peace
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As far as drawing conclusions about people
If we will, we can expose them for you, so that you can recognize them
just by looking at them. However, you can recognize them by the way they talk (type).
GOD is fully aware of all your works.How did you interpret QA , again!?
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Freedomstands,
But meditation, reflection and contemplation is not ritualistic prayer. I have never said a word that you cannot do that or even speak out loud to your Sustainer, only that even if you do not then your Sustainer knows what you wish and need without you mentioning that. Constant repetition does not really help either.
The point with Quran is that people are confused into believing there are rituals in it and may be begin with something which is merely a distraction. I briefly begun with the ritual salat between the years 2011 - 2014 (although the last year I continued "in case of" I was wrong) and if Quran was properly interpreted I would not have been deceived that the Sustainer prescribes such a dubious practice.
If people rather reflected and considered upon what they can do to prevent themselves from doing the sins which are stated in the "Ten Commandments" then they need no religion with all its rituals. Meditation you can carry out without doing some fancy movements and parroted words. Many do this prayer ritual and feel proud they are so pious too. But the Sustainer cannot be bribed through mere words such like you could appeal to an ancient king. The god concept is clearly man-made and resembles the prostration you would do to a king to make the king pleased and milder. The Sustainer has no such ego nor any needs for that sake. Only results prove anything, i.e. to clearly become perfected or at least as perfect as you can.
Glorification I call attempts at bribery. Why do it to an intelligence that you cannot appeal to and fool through mere words. The Sustainer can abstractly read your mind and see you honor it without any artificial physical rituals.
Be well
I don't think of it that way though, even if that is in the imagination of some people. I take it as an expression of surrender (prostration) and making statements of the truth as reminders (praise).
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Peace FreedomStands,
At least me, I am not bold as you are. I don't call names as you do. I don't say praying is not required straightly, but I say in my personal understanding, this is a burden. I am not bold like you saying fasting means abstaining from eating and drinking or whatever. How do you confirm this? As you said, there is nothing static, then why are you promoting it? It may change anytime, no?
And you don't know anything about me yet. And you still falsely claim that I believe this and this. I didn't say alSalaat is a burden for me, but I mean the time bounding is a burden for me. Before understanding it properly, how could you promote it wrongly about others when you know nothing about them? Just by seeing some of their posts you decided that they are devils, kafirs, hypocrites, etc.? This is boldness and still you blame others being bold about Allah.
And you are trying to impose your religion on others by force! Why? Who are you to do that? Did Allah gave you such authority? It seems that you are a frustrated salafi who believes in war and fighting. To me, what you are doing brings you near shirk. But still I will not call names as you do. Because Allah is the better judge between us. And He showed me the following to tell to people like you
1041
And if they deny you, then say, "For me are my deeds, and for you are your deeds. You are disassociated from what I do, and I am disassociated from what you do."
May Allah increase our knowledge and guide us on His path pr
mmKhanWas it not said by one mmkhan (Maximillian Murgatroid Khan?) that the more righteous people will have prayed eliminated and won't need to pray or fast but for now those people who are burdened or something have to do it? It doesn't matter, it wasn't really particularly about you or anything. Why would I be frustrated that a person doesn't pray? The majority of the world doesn't pray, I don't want them to either really though, its not like I want to see their skins, maybe just their blackened skeletons!
These are nasty jokes mmkhan, don't worry about it. Isn't it clear to see who the real devil is always? Its me! FreedomStands!
I encourage you to call me names, whatever names you please.
Why not Salafi Jones? Hadithi Joe, or The Prayer Promoting Pitbull.
What about Thomas Terriblegod, or Saleem Unsalami.
Did something I write offend you? Is it that you feel I was misrepresenting your views or something? Then share your views, as you have been, I'm always interested in hearing them and then responding in the way that I do, but I sincerely don't mean to offend you really, that isn't my intention.
I've not meant to really call you any names, did I directly call you any names? Did I really ever say you are a devil?
I'd never really say such a thing to you, it would be like calling you handsome or something, and I'd really only say that about myself.
I've been called "ferocious" "follower of Satan" and other things like that on this website, I'd never give any of you such honorable appellations.
I pride myself on being a Satan working for the Supreme Satan, remember that it means enemy? I work as an enemy to all that I deem evil. It is nothing personal. I don't really care who you are or not, except if you were my slave, then I'd want you to look good, and have some sexy dark oiled skin, nice muscles, hard worker. NOT A LAZY CRYBABY! I SAID NOT A LAZY CRYBABY! I AM NOT SAYING YOU ARE A LAZY CRYBABY! I AM SAYING THAT I WOULDN'T WANT YOU TO BE ONE! If you were my slave.
Yet you're not my slave, unfortunately (it would be good for you, Maxmurg), so instead I end up not directly caring about you but views which I MAY BE IMAGINING based on something you've said. Not "your views" just "views like that" if anything, like those I mentioned, it doesn't matter really if you are involved or don't do this or that, I am just saying that to view worship of God as a burden and a curse (not what you said), would be a bad way of viewing it, and the idea that the more righteous leave it off (which you also may not have said) is also a backwards idea in my opinion. I didn't mean to wrongfully accuse you of such views, you're not very important in the whole thing, its just the views I am attacking mainly, and anyone who might hold such views would be backwards and evil, and if you do not hold such views, then what are you worried about?
Now let me say, to comfort you, dear sweet delicious well-fed one (yes, you better be careful about eating so much or I might just gobble you up when the fast breaks!)
I view things both ways genuinely, and try to master the evil and the good and harness it to my benefit.
So instead of you saying it, let ME say it I believe PRAYER is a BURDEN, and a SLAVISH ONE AT THAT.
How! HOW FREEDOMSTANDS! HOW CAN YOU SAY THAT OH DEVILISH SALAMI FREEDOMSTANDS!
Because my MASTER is a SLAVE OWNER and we're on the PLANTATION. We are cursed, as the angels are cursed, and we toil and we war as our God has put various yokes around our necks.
IN HELL those blind ones are made to SEE THEM since they are the kind of people who need to SEE to BELIEVE.
We're always wearing them though, our slave collars, and we march around the clock, our lives, SLEEPING, WAKING, SH*TTING, WASHING, PRAYING, EATING again and again.
It doesn't end there!
So yes, the formal worship can be considered a toilsome burden, an explicit expression of our REAL PLIGHT in life, a reminder that we are slaves. That is one way to view it anyway.
Oh FreedomStands! I don't know what to think about you FS! You scare me! You really make my loosely knit underwear quiver!
THEN LO! BUY TIGHT BRIEFS, AND KEEP YOUR TESTACLES IN CHECK!
If you aren't an evildoer, then why should you worry! Plus! Who cares! Its just words!
I can't do what I'd like to do to you!
I certainly wouldn't want to kill you!
I'd want to control you! As I've said before, make you my obedient slave who does exactly as I say!
I'd make you smile, and give flowers to people, and walk around gracefully, and say kindly things. Oh and I'd make you worship like a robot, with sincerity like a robot, weeping with devotion like a robot, acknowledging the God who made you a slave, who brought you into existence and made you suffer and know that God alone is the supreme power who does whatever God wills.
Ah, and how terrible a nightmare is it for me, that I should forget the nature of reality, the nature of reality which in this case does not change, that GOD is the King and Master, and that I am the groveling slave, who eats dirt if that is what my Master feeds me.
YEW HU DEEM THERSELF SELF SUFFICIENT!!
So please, don't get all agitated, I command you not to become agitated! Do as I say!
Think of what a beautiful world it would be though, were you my well oiled slave. Muscular, strong, healthy, happy, completely soulless and devoid of any remnants of your past self, only a pristine example of beauty, perfection, and utter service to good. Compassionate to the animals and the humans, groveling fearfully before God, and we would then be brothers finally, since I too, though a demon, am a groveling and long suffering slave of the Lord of Torment.
In one video game, they have named one character Molag Bal the Lord of Rape.
Is it you who chose your plight in life? Your body? Your nation? Your time? Your sickness? Your health? Your eye color? Or did your parents? Did you choose to suffer? Was it forced on you without your consent? Even talking to me, you might wish I never existed and we never had this conversation, yet its being horribly forced on you. Is it me who wants it? Nah! I don't! I want a world of beauty, peace, and pleasure that is truly STABLE. Is such a world possible? Perhaps, but only if God wills it, and the same can tear it away! Such is the eternal destiny of ALL CREATURES/CREATIONS.
Also, I don't have a beard nor follow Hadith really, and my pants are so above the ankle that they are completely nowhere to be seen.
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Salute @hawk99,
You just gained my respect!
In Arabic, ln (ن simply means pitch, or tune.
Liars speak in a higher pitched voice (as vocal cords tighten) due to strain ...
SLM
Do you talk about the Flat Earth in a really deep voice like this
https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=_0OY_P7T9wY
https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9P1ymFCxf0
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Salute @hawk99,
You just gained my respect!
In Arabic, ln () simply means pitch, or tune.
Liars speak in a higher pitched voice (as vocal cords tighten) due to strain ...
SLM
Peace hicham9, I think pitch is correct but tone is better than
tune, ex. we speak in a harsh, soft, loud, sincere, or sarcastic tone. Thanks
for the correction.peace
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Maximillian Murgatroid Khan, in my dreams! The well oiled slave who acknowledges the Lord of Torment!
https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqy4xcXgtxM
Here I am
https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8TQOzyCu8Q
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https//www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFKfqOb7Cok
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FreedomStands posts can be found at
http//free-minds.org/forum/index.php?action=profile;u=256713;area=showposts;start=1480
You'll see the same style existed back in the day too!
