Proof that Qibla is the Kaabah in Mecca
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- 595 tells us that Hajj is made in Kaabah
- 597 tells us that Kaaba is the Sacred Masjid
- 4824 tells us that Muhammad fought disbelievers in Mekkah
- 4825 tells us that the Sacred masjid is in Mekkah
- 2144 tells us that our Qibla is towards the Sacred Masjid
Salaam Bro
I advice you to read the second E-book of brother Pazuzu. There, he show how by renaming places and cities, places where history of other prophets occured has been changed.
Now, you have also to know that quite all that you believe about Muhammad and mekka comes from books written under the abbaside caliphate (who were persians) by persians story tellers.Let suppose that your understantig of some words is right (Words like Masjid, Haram, Qibla, Kaaba, Safa, marwa, maqaam Ibrahim).
Now, you still have to proove that there was a city called Mecca in Hijaz at the time of Muhammad.
You have to proove that Kaaba word in Quran refers to a cubic stone in desert.There is many things you have to explain. For example why Quran never spoke about the "statues" inside his "kaaba". Is not that a great offense in your understanding ?
Dear babansif,
quite all of us believed one day (and many are still believing that) that kaaba was your kaaba, mecca was your mecca, masjid haram was your masjid haram.For example, you probably believe that Egypt is misr. But Egypt became named Misr only after the death of Muhammad.
It is quite impossible to explain to a misri that misr is not misr.
It is also quite impossible to explain to a meccan believer that mecca is not mecca. For that, the first step would be to purify his mind from what he learned from the other books than words of God. As long as a mind is full with words not coming from God, there is no place for words of God and even God will not put there the good understanding.Peace
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Salaam Bro
I advice you to read the second E-book of brother Pazuzu. There, he show how by renaming places and cities, places where history of other prophets occured has been changed.
Now, you have also to know that quite all that you believe about Muhammad and mekka comes from books written under the abbaside caliphate (who were persians) by persians story tellers.Let suppose that your understantig of some words is right (Words like Masjid, Haram, Qibla, Kaaba, Safa, marwa, maqaam Ibrahim).
Now, you still have to proove that there was a city called Mecca in Hijaz at the time of Muhammad.
You have to proove that Kaaba word in Quran refers to a cubic stone in desert.There is many things you have to explain. For example why Quran never spoke about the "statues" inside his "kaaba". Is not that a great offense in your understanding ?
Dear babansif,
quite all of us believed one day (and many are still believing that) that kaaba was your kaaba, mecca was your mecca, masjid haram was your masjid haram.For example, you probably believe that Egypt is misr. But Egypt became named Misr only after the death of Muhammad.
It is quite impossible to explain to a misri that misr is not misr.
It is also quite impossible to explain to a meccan believer that mecca is not mecca. For that, the first step would be to purify his mind from what he learned from the other books than words of God. As long as a mind is full with words not coming from God, there is no place for words of God and even God will not put there the good understanding.Peace
Salaam brother,
If we gonna question everything by history, well then we can question everything in the Quran, Like some people claims that Allah does not mean God and so on, If we gonna think in that way we have to Questin the whole Quran, beacuse then who knows what Zakat, Salat meant at that time?
When we question everything then not even the Quran itself gets a reliable book.
But if we stop follow what other says about what this meant in that time , and what that meant in this time and only looking with Quranic words then it is pretty clear that Kaabah is in Mekkah and is Masjid Al Haram. And Quran is what I place as most reliable source not a Guy that claims that 1400 years ago this city was named this and kaabah was this, that is the same thing as following sunna / shia hadiths beacuse then you question the Quran with the sayings of humanbeings. There is many books which claim that Mekkah is the name of the same city as it was 1400 years ago, but this books dont agrees with your personal opinions and then you will probably reject that person sayings.
But since Quran is the only reliable source, and God has promised us to preserve is, If you follow Quran only God promises that it is a religion with no confusions.
And since if we Only go by Quranic words then it is telling us that Kaabah in Mekkah is the Sacred Masjid.
If we gonna reject Sunna/ Shia hadiths then we shall also reject everyone else sayings and only put Gods saying as reliable.
That is what I have done when I have come to a conclusion that Sacred Mosque is the Kaabah in Mekkah.Salaam brother
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Like some people claims that Allah does not mean God and so on,
And they?re right. It doesn?t.
GOD is simply DOG spelled backwards. Whereas LAH, in Arabic, means that which cannot be understood or grasped directly, (and must therefore be understood indirectly, through its creation or manifestation).
Consider the following linguistic structure
Tagha ? Taghut (verb ?tagha? = to transgress limits / noun ?taghut? = the institution of transgressing limits). This is why a tyrant in Arabic, is described as ?taghia?. -
Now, try to apply the same logic to
Jabar ? jabarut (repairing / reform) -
kahan ? kahanut (occult astrological / priesthood) -
LAH-LAHUT -
In our day and age, when someone goes to a religious institution to study the LAHUT, it means he is going to study ?that which is mysterious and beyond the direct understanding of the human mind?.
Now you see what al-LAH (Allah) means?
Does the word GOD provide that meaning? Can you find me, in any living language today, a three-letter word that gives the same intrinsic depth as LAH?
The fact is, when you "translate" the Quran to English, and render Al-LAH as GOD, you are making a complete mockery of the text. This is why, after 9 years if research, I have reached the conclusion that the Quran is UNTRANSLATABLE. The best we can hope to do is paraphrase it.
Makkah, Bakkah, Yathrib, Hunayn, Sina?a, Badr, Misr, are all real places. No one is denying this. No one is denying that the KAABAH is the Bayt. No one is denying the relation between Makkah nad the Masjid. The problem is this The geography of these places, as described in the Quran, does NOT MATCH the actual terrain where we think these places are, by any stretch of the imagination.
To rephrase that the names of places mentioned in the Quran, have all been projected onto a FALSE physical territory.
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And they?re right. It doesn?t.
GOD is simply DOG spelled backwards. Whereas LAH, in Arabic, means that which cannot be understood or grasped directly, (and must therefore be understood indirectly, through its creation or manifestation).
Consider the following linguistic structure
Tagha ? Taghut (verb ?tagha? = to transgress limits / noun ?taghut? = the institution of transgressing limits). This is why a tyrant in Arabic, is described as ?taghia?. -
Now, try to apply the same logic to
Jabar ? jabarut (repairing / reform) -
kahan ? kahanut (occult astrological / priesthood) -
LAH-LAHUT -
In our day and age, when someone goes to a religious institution to study the LAHUT, it means he is going to study ?that which is mysterious and beyond the direct understanding of the human mind?.
Now you see what al-LAH (Allah) means?
Does the word GOD provide that meaning? Can you find me, in any living language today, a three-letter word that gives the same intrinsic depth as LAH?
The fact is, when you "translate" the Quran to English, and render Al-LAH as GOD, you are making a complete mockery of the text. This is why, after 9 years if research, I have reached the conclusion that the Quran is UNTRANSLATABLE. The best we can hope to do is paraphrase it.
Makkah, Bakkah, Yathrib, Hunayn, Sina?a, Badr, Misr, are all real places. No one is denying this. No one is denying that the KAABAH is the Bayt. No one is denying the relation between Makkah nad the Masjid. The problem is this The geography of these places, as described in the Quran, does NOT MATCH the actual terrain where we think these places are, by any stretch of the imagination.
To rephrase that the names of places mentioned in the Quran, have all been projected onto a FALSE physical territory.
4144
If we made it a non-Arabic Quran they would have said, "Why did it come down in that language?" Whether it is Arabic or non-Arabic, say, "For those who believe, it is a guide and healing. As for those who disbelieve, they will be deaf and blind to it, as if they are being addressed from faraway."Just by this verse I can with the Quran proof that you are wrong when you say it is untranslatable, your claims is proven wrong just with one verse from one surah.
Only for those who disbelieve it is not understandable( As for those who disbelieve, they will be deaf and blind to it, as if they are being addressed from faraway.) to, and since you dont believe in the Quran when you say that it is Untranslatable when the Quran says that whether it is a Arabic or non Aarabic it is a guide for those who believe. it is pretty obvious that you will be deaf and blind to it when you make your absurd claims that contradicts Quran itself.Salaam brother
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And they?re right. It doesn?t.
GOD is simply DOG spelled backwards. Whereas LAH, in Arabic, means that which cannot be understood or grasped directly, (and must therefore be understood indirectly, through its creation or manifestation).
Consider the following linguistic structure
Tagha ? Taghut (verb ?tagha? = to transgress limits / noun ?taghut? = the institution of transgressing limits). This is why a tyrant in Arabic, is described as ?taghia?. -
Now, try to apply the same logic to
Jabar ? jabarut (repairing / reform) -
kahan ? kahanut (occult astrological / priesthood) -
LAH-LAHUT -
In our day and age, when someone goes to a religious institution to study the LAHUT, it means he is going to study ?that which is mysterious and beyond the direct understanding of the human mind?.
Now you see what al-LAH (Allah) means?
Does the word GOD provide that meaning? Can you find me, in any living language today, a three-letter word that gives the same intrinsic depth as LAH?
The fact is, when you "translate" the Quran to English, and render Al-LAH as GOD, you are making a complete mockery of the text. This is why, after 9 years if research, I have reached the conclusion that the Quran is UNTRANSLATABLE. The best we can hope to do is paraphrase it.
Makkah, Bakkah, Yathrib, Hunayn, Sina?a, Badr, Misr, are all real places. No one is denying this. No one is denying that the KAABAH is the Bayt. No one is denying the relation between Makkah nad the Masjid. The problem is this The geography of these places, as described in the Quran, does NOT MATCH the actual terrain where we think these places are, by any stretch of the imagination.
To rephrase that the names of places mentioned in the Quran, have all been projected onto a FALSE physical territory.
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Salaam babanisf,
Brother Pazuzu did not say you cannot translate it, he says you must paraphrase its contents because Arabic is used in a completely different way than English. Hence this he does not contradict the Quran, but the Quran talks enough about the fact it was revealed in Arabic to raise some concerns about it.
Please do not underestimate brother Pazuzu, I can see that he is blessed by the Lord in many ways. I would love to see a translation/interpretation done by him in the future.
Together intertwined in the Holy Spirit, we can probably derive the true meaning from the 1400 year old scripture. Simply by trying to understand the Quran by trying to interpret it is too risky business, we also need to have divine backup.
Even what we have of its understanding today we know enough to live righteous lives as long as we do not follow the mainstream religion. Most people know how to be a righteous person even with the Quran, even without the Bible, we seem to be born with this ability. Even criminals know that they have done wrong in many cases (but cannot explain it). I could have been a righteous believer even if I had not discovered the Quran, but now that I have it I want to understand it perfectly.
Regarding the topic of this thread, I have read the translation "Turn your homes into Qiblahs" many times and it automatically renders the traditional understanding irrational. I am open-minded to suggestions of the true interpretation of this phrase and this word, and I will pray to God about it that He may enlighten me. Recently I have felt that I am walking along with the Lord on a beach (yes this was an allegory).
God bless you and I did not intend to mock you babansif, just see to that you open your eyes and see that Pazuzu is not nuts regarding the meaning he is trying to convey. We may all be wrong in many cases, Messengers in past ages could be wrong, but in the Light of God they were never wrong.
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Salaam babanisf,
Brother Pazuzu did not say you cannot translate it, he says you must paraphrase its contents because Arabic is used in a completely different way than English. Hence this he does not contradict the Quran, but the Quran talks enough about the fact it was revealed in Arabic to raise some concerns about it.
Please do not underestimate brother Pazuzu, I can see that he is blessed by the Lord in many ways. I would love to see a translation/interpretation done by him in the future.
Together intertwined in the Holy Spirit, we can probably derive the true meaning from the 1400 year old scripture. Simply by trying to understand the Quran by trying to interpret it is too risky business, we also need to have divine backup.
Even what we have of its understanding today we know enough to live righteous lives as long as we do not follow the mainstream religion. Most people know how to be a righteous person even with the Quran, even without the Bible, we seem to be born with this ability. Even criminals know that they have done wrong in many cases (but cannot explain it). I could have been a righteous believer even if I had not discovered the Quran, but now that I have it I want to understand it perfectly.
Regarding the topic of this thread, I have read the translation "Turn your homes into Qiblahs" many times and it automatically renders the traditional understanding irrational. I am open-minded to suggestions of the true interpretation of this phrase and this word, and I will pray to God about it that He may enlighten me. Recently I have felt that I am walking along with the Lord on a beach (yes this was an allegory).
God bless you and I did not intend to mock you babansif, just see to that you open your eyes and see that Pazuzu is not nuts regarding the meaning he is trying to convey. We may all be wrong in many cases, Messengers in past ages could be wrong, but in the Light of God they were never wrong.
Brother when someone tries to tell me that God is not Allah , then I will surely not follow his belief. Allah clearly mentions in the Quran that He has created all the languages in the world, Read in an arabic Bible ( The bible is not even originally from the arabic language) and you will se that God is named Allah in the bible to.
God is just the word for Allah in another language.
"Say, "Call Him Allah, or call Him the Rahman (The Almighty); whichever name you use, to Him belongs the "Asma al-Husna" (most beautiful names)." 17110
This verse makes the issue very clear. God here is telling us that He does not have one specific name. In God's infinite Greatness, there is not one name that is sufficient to make reference to Him. Indeed to God belongs all the beautiful names. The Quran lists over 90 names for God and not just the word Allah. We can call Him Allah, we can call Him "Al-Rahman", or we can call him by any of the beautiful names that are worthy of Him. Whether we use the Arabic word for a name like "Al-Wahid" for example, or the English equivalant which is "The One" does not make any difference. The restriction to use the Arabic words to call God is not a condition set by God. For this would falsely imply that only the Arabic language is worthy of calling on God!
Moreover, if God wanted us to call Him specifically by the name Allah, He would not include the words "whichever name you use" in 17110.
Some have also stated that ?Allah? is the real name of God, and that all the other titles such as Al-Rahmaan and Al-Raheem are the attributes of God. This claim is actually in contradiction to the Quran!
In 17110 we are told that to God belongs the beautiful names. The word used is ?Asmaa?. This word is the plural of the word ?Ism? which means NAME. It does not mean attribute. Naturally a name can have a meaning, and thus denote an attribute as well, but what matters is that God calls these titles as His names (Asmaa).
Therefore, if all these beautiful names are God?s names, would we still be justified to say that the word ?Allah? is the personal name of God? Would anyone be justified to claim that we cannot call God except by the name of Allah? How can we say that when God Himself told us that to Him belongs ALL the beautiful names and not just one name.
Therefore, for anyone to claim that the word Allah is the personal name of God or that the word Allah denotes the God of the Quran must indeed revise their knowledge in the light of all the issues discussed above.
Salaam brother
http//www.quran-islam.org/articles/god_or_allah_%28P1160%29.html
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Salaam brother babansif,
As far as I could understand this was not what you were concerned about in the post I read about earlier and this was not what my answer was about.
Of course Allah is God, it is the same God, because Allah is a word for God in Arabic. However Al-Lah has its unique meaning in Arabic, like "The Deity" while God could probably be derived from "good". I had this funny interpretation of the Swedish word for God, Gud, Galaxy Universe Dimension, while I was going crazy with my mind a few years ago, but I could not help it. So the meaning of the words is simply what you make of them, but nothing is wrong as long as it is not making fun of God or inviting sin.
I read the Bible too, not only the Quran and I enjoy it, especially the stories about Jesus in the Gospel, but most everything else is interesting too.
If someone has stated that the definite name of God is Allah then they are probably wrong. You can call God by the name of your choice as long as it is not to humiliate Him or that the name in clearly inappropriate.
Anyway, I doubt this was Pazuzu's intent when he discuss with you. I think it has to do with that you cannot directly translate the word Allah to God, because the words have different meanings in other languages, as in Arabic it is The Deity and in English like I said it is probably derived from "good". His concern is that you can paraphrase the original Arabic at best, and that sure takes a lot of divine inspiration for it not to get wrong.
But to look superficially at it, Allah is God, Gud, Got, Nkoz, Deu, depending on which language you speak. It is not like you will confined to Hell for saying God about God.
To finalize this post, I hope this settles any misunderstanding that may have occurred, since I could see it looked like you just went parallel to each other's understanding the whole time. And I hope I did not just put more fuel to the fire.
God bless you all with prosperity both in this life and the next
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Salaam All
4824 And He is the One who withheld their hands against you, and your hands against them in the interior (Batni) of Mecca, after He had made you victorious over them. God is Seer of what you do.
in arabic, Jehenem (hell) is obtained by addition of word Jenna and two letters Ha and Mim
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i traduct meaning of ha and mim is dissolution.
so Jehennem can be understood and the hole where souls are dissolved. Dictionnary says also( ب
.I traduct Jehennem =profound depth.
Now, we know all what mean Rahm. It is the womb.
Original womb for our souls is of course Jenna.
Rahman is the one who expels from Rahm and Rahim is the forgiver who accept again the expelled souls in the rahm.Opposite of Original Womb would be an empty venter. a hole aspiring all rejectors.
in arabic, Mekka means( ب
.I traduct Makaka means aspire something until it ends.
So BATNI mekkata can means the aspiring womb, wich means hells.
Now, we can have a new traduction for 48-24
4824 And He is the One who separate your hands from their hands and their hands for your hands while you were in the aspiring womb after He had made you victorious over them. God is Seer of what you do.God prevented readers of Quran from following others arbabs (educators) than him.
it is a simple remind for followers of persians story tellers.Good night for aspired people in pilgrimnages and prayers towards batni mekkata.
Peace
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I don't know too much about this topic but I have been to Makkah and these verses in Psalms 84 describe Makkah to a tee...
Psalms 843 Yea, the sparrow hath found an house, and the swallow a nest for herself, where she may lay her young, even thine altars, O LORD of hosts, my King, and my God.
Psalms 844 Blessed are they that dwell in thy house they will be still praising thee. Selah.
Psalms 845 Blessed is the man whose strength is in thee; in whose heart are the ways of them.
Psalms 846 Who passing through the valley of Baca make it a well; the rain also filleth the pools.
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Salaam brother babansif,
As far as I could understand this was not what you were concerned about in the post I read about earlier and this was not what my answer was about.
Of course Allah is God, it is the same God, because Allah is a word for God in Arabic. However Al-Lah has its unique meaning in Arabic, like "The Deity" while God could probably be derived from "good". I had this funny interpretation of the Swedish word for God, Gud, Galaxy Universe Dimension, while I was going crazy with my mind a few years ago, but I could not help it. So the meaning of the words is simply what you make of them, but nothing is wrong as long as it is not making fun of God or inviting sin.
I read the Bible too, not only the Quran and I enjoy it, especially the stories about Jesus in the Gospel, but most everything else is interesting too.
If someone has stated that the definite name of God is Allah then they are probably wrong. You can call God by the name of your choice as long as it is not to humiliate Him or that the name in clearly inappropriate.
Anyway, I doubt this was Pazuzu's intent when he discuss with you. I think it has to do with that you cannot directly translate the word Allah to God, because the words have different meanings in other languages, as in Arabic it is The Deity and in English like I said it is probably derived from "good". His concern is that you can paraphrase the original Arabic at best, and that sure takes a lot of divine inspiration for it not to get wrong.
But to look superficially at it, Allah is God, Gud, Got, Nkoz, Deu, depending on which language you speak. It is not like you will confined to Hell for saying God about God.
To finalize this post, I hope this settles any misunderstanding that may have occurred, since I could see it looked like you just went parallel to each other's understanding the whole time. And I hope I did not just put more fuel to the fire.
God bless you all with prosperity both in this life and the next
Salaam brother,
There is no hard feelings )
I just wanted to point out that the word God is not what is wrong but the imagine of what God is.
If you gonna translate the Quran in to another language then God is the correct word.
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Salaam,
Yes, I was born in Sweden in 1982.
I would call God "Gud" in a Swedish translation of the Quran.
God bless you
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Utanf?r Stockholm f?r tillf?llet, men Gud har inspirerat mig att ?ka till Iran igen f?r att unders?ka om religionens r?tter. Livet har varit bra konstigt p? senaste tiden, men jag litar p? att Gud inte skulle lura iv?g mig utan anledning.
Kanske fel att skriva p? svenska i respekt f?r alla andra dock.
God bless you
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MoF
Det verkar som om det d?ljer sig en svensk bakom varannan identitet h?r p? forumet. Nu ocks? Baban...
It seems there are swedes lurking behind every second identity on this forum. Now even Baban... )Om du nu ska fara till Iran igen s? hoppas jag allt ?r v?lplanerat s? att du inte hamnar i beroendesituationer som f?rra g?ngen.
If you're going to visit Iran again, I hope you have everything covered so there will be no unecessary dependencies like last time.Vad ?r det du letar efter n?r du pratar om religionens r?tter? Forskar du i shia-traditionen?
What sort of roots of religion is it you're looking for? Are you researching the shia-faith?Peace n cheers!
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Salaam,
Sorry, it feels too dull to write both in English and in Swedish, so I will pick English only. Well, at least it gives the feeling that the God alone movement is growing in Sweden, also Swedes seem to be very active on the Internet. Might have to do with the cold climate of Sweden confining us much to our homes in the Winter. It is good considered that much of the divine fighting is happening on the Internet, of spreading the true word of God.
I hope so myself, I mean it seems very irrational from an external viewpoint with the decision to go back to that life again. I fact I can see that myself and I have to put my trust in the Lord that I have made this decision from inspiration of His Grace, and not the evil one.
Yes, that is true. I am looking for links between the Truth and the Shia branch of faith. It may sound strange, but it is not my idea or decision, it is an intuitive feeling I have got. Maybe I am supposed to prove anything, I do not know myself, I just know something wants me to hesitatingly return there. Point is, I think the history is not at all as it is usually perceived to be, the Truth was hidden and dug deep down below the surface. A hint I have is Shiraz and old ancient Persepolis in old Persia, and some other historical sites in today's Iran. The spread of Shia Islam was perverting the Truth even further, like man always do.
Much of the research is spiritual, but I may have to do some physical search. It may include getting better at Persian and studying old literature (even if some truthful books may have been burned or destroyed). Persepolis had an old library that was destroyed by the conqueror Alexander the Great. But mankind can never hide the Truth if the good Lord's willing.
The key in this seems to be my own idolatrous wife ironically. If things are not lies I was able to change her into a Believer, but my perceived divine inspiration has told me things are as they seem to be.
My wife made a sudden twist-around and my intuition tells me she is telling the truth about what she has been saying. I know what she has been capable of doing, but yet I feel this enormous push to go against my logic. Of course I have been praying some days almost all night, to beg the Lord to show me if it is wrong that I go down there, but He has been giving me no sign that I am making the wrong choice. And rather been showing me the opposite, so I trust and obey and do as I have been commanded.
My work can probably get a bit dangerous, due to the limited religious freedom of thought down there, but I trust the Lord will deliver me safely. I have little trust in the system down there, but it is still better than people around the world think about Iran, as propaganda machines paint it blacker than the truth.
Anyway, I do not really care, if I die I will, God willing, have my judgment delivered. Never been afraid of the actual dieing part, only the pain included in the act of dieing, but not even that scares me now that I trust God this much. We should not be afraid of dieing, if we believe in eternal life, unless we are afraid of the Truth and doomed to Hell. Of course I do not know my own fate, but at least I have done my best.
Now this has been very off-topic fftopic
I am sorry.
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Salaam,
Sorry, it feels too dull to write both in English and in Swedish, so I will pick English only. Well, at least it gives the feeling that the God alone movement is growing in Sweden, also Swedes seem to be very active on the Internet. Might have to do with the cold climate of Sweden confining us much to our homes in the Winter. It is good considered that much of the divine fighting is happening on the Internet, of spreading the true word of God.
I hope so myself, I mean it seems very irrational from an external viewpoint with the decision to go back to that life again. I fact I can see that myself and I have to put my trust in the Lord that I have made this decision from inspiration of His Grace, and not the evil one.
Yes, that is true. I am looking for links between the Truth and the Shia branch of faith. It may sound strange, but it is not my idea or decision, it is an intuitive feeling I have got. Maybe I am supposed to prove anything, I do not know myself, I just know something wants me to hesitatingly return there. Point is, I think the history is not at all as it is usually perceived to be, the Truth was hidden and dug deep down below the surface. A hint I have is Shiraz and old ancient Persepolis in old Persia, and some other historical sites in today's Iran. The spread of Shia Islam was perverting the Truth even further, like man always do.
Much of the research is spiritual, but I may have to do some physical search. It may include getting better at Persian and studying old literature (even if some truthful books may have been burned or destroyed). Persepolis had an old library that was destroyed by the conqueror Alexander the Great. But mankind can never hide the Truth if the good Lord's willing.
The key in this seems to be my own idolatrous wife ironically. If things are not lies I was able to change her into a Believer, but my perceived divine inspiration has told me things are as they seem to be.
My wife made a sudden twist-around and my intuition tells me she is telling the truth about what she has been saying. I know what she has been capable of doing, but yet I feel this enormous push to go against my logic. Of course I have been praying some days almost all night, to beg the Lord to show me if it is wrong that I go down there, but He has been giving me no sign that I am making the wrong choice. And rather been showing me the opposite, so I trust and obey and do as I have been commanded.
My work can probably get a bit dangerous, due to the limited religious freedom of thought down there, but I trust the Lord will deliver me safely. I have little trust in the system down there, but it is still better than people around the world think about Iran, as propaganda machines paint it blacker than the truth.
Anyway, I do not really care, if I die I will, God willing, have my judgment delivered. Never been afraid of the actual dieing part, only the pain included in the act of dieing, but not even that scares me now that I trust God this much. We should not be afraid of dieing, if we believe in eternal life, unless we are afraid of the Truth and doomed to Hell. Of course I do not know my own fate, but at least I have done my best.
Now this has been very off-topic fftopic
I am sorry.
If your wife is an idolatrous wife than why are you still married to her? This is something the Quran forbids. You strike me as someone who slaps anyone with that term. I detect a salafi influence but I maybe wrong.
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Salaam,
Sorry, it feels too dull to write both in English and in Swedish, so I will pick English only. Well, at least it gives the feeling that the God alone movement is growing in Sweden, also Swedes seem to be very active on the Internet. Might have to do with the cold climate of Sweden confining us much to our homes in the Winter. It is good considered that much of the divine fighting is happening on the Internet, of spreading the true word of God.
I hope so myself, I mean it seems very irrational from an external viewpoint with the decision to go back to that life again. I fact I can see that myself and I have to put my trust in the Lord that I have made this decision from inspiration of His Grace, and not the evil one.
Yes, that is true. I am looking for links between the Truth and the Shia branch of faith. It may sound strange, but it is not my idea or decision, it is an intuitive feeling I have got. Maybe I am supposed to prove anything, I do not know myself, I just know something wants me to hesitatingly return there. Point is, I think the history is not at all as it is usually perceived to be, the Truth was hidden and dug deep down below the surface. A hint I have is Shiraz and old ancient Persepolis in old Persia, and some other historical sites in today's Iran. The spread of Shia Islam was perverting the Truth even further, like man always do.
Much of the research is spiritual, but I may have to do some physical search. It may include getting better at Persian and studying old literature (even if some truthful books may have been burned or destroyed). Persepolis had an old library that was destroyed by the conqueror Alexander the Great. But mankind can never hide the Truth if the good Lord's willing.
The key in this seems to be my own idolatrous wife ironically. If things are not lies I was able to change her into a Believer, but my perceived divine inspiration has told me things are as they seem to be.
My wife made a sudden twist-around and my intuition tells me she is telling the truth about what she has been saying. I know what she has been capable of doing, but yet I feel this enormous push to go against my logic. Of course I have been praying some days almost all night, to beg the Lord to show me if it is wrong that I go down there, but He has been giving me no sign that I am making the wrong choice. And rather been showing me the opposite, so I trust and obey and do as I have been commanded.
My work can probably get a bit dangerous, due to the limited religious freedom of thought down there, but I trust the Lord will deliver me safely. I have little trust in the system down there, but it is still better than people around the world think about Iran, as propaganda machines paint it blacker than the truth.
Anyway, I do not really care, if I die I will, God willing, have my judgment delivered. Never been afraid of the actual dieing part, only the pain included in the act of dieing, but not even that scares me now that I trust God this much. We should not be afraid of dieing, if we believe in eternal life, unless we are afraid of the Truth and doomed to Hell. Of course I do not know my own fate, but at least I have done my best.
Now this has been very off-topic fftopic
I am sorry.
Very off topic but very honest and heart felt post. Thank you for that. On the wife issue... My humble advice is go with your gut feeling and what God is telling you. As for your connection between the truth and Shia Islam. You won't find one. You may find they are more correct than Sunnis on several maters. But as far as them following the truth? They have also failed the test and given in to the human tendency to fabricate fairy tales. They have several beliefs which have mo Quranic basis. They believe in these 12 super imams, one of which is capable of living for hundreds of years. Where in the Quran is there any backing for this outlandish belief? They mourn the death of Ali's sons over a thousand years after the fact. Not only do they mourn but they beat the living crap out of themselves every 10 Muharram. Does this sound like a command from the logical, balanced Allah we know from Quran or does this sound like stupid humans going back to their animalistic, ritualistic brainless tendencies. Forget wussup of Muhammad. They idolize Ali to the point of stupidity. Is this Islam or is this the human habit of idolizing humans? Don't get me wrong, there are some strong points the Shiites hold over the Sunnis. But they've both gone astray in different ways. The shiites are misguided like the other sects. Whatever happened between Ali and Aisha and the war they fought, is not our problem. It's between them and Allah will judge over their differences. It has nothing to do with Islam. Because the Prophet was dead by then, Islam had been completed as Quran was completed and revealed fully. The door had been closed by then. These matters are for sectarian Muslims to fight about. People who follow only Gods word need not worry about the disputes between Shia and Sunni. They're both full if pride, not interested in the truth and far off the path of Islam. Peace!
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Very off topic but very honest and heart felt post. Thank you for that. On the wife issue... My humble advice is go with your gut feeling and what God is telling you. As for your connection between the truth and Shia Islam. You won't find one. You may find they are more correct than Sunnis on several maters. But as far as them following the truth? They have also failed the test and given in to the human tendency to fabricate fairy tales. They have several beliefs which have mo Quranic basis. They believe in these 12 super imams, one of which is capable of living for hundreds of years. Where in the Quran is there any backing for this outlandish belief? They mourn the death of Ali's sons over a thousand years after the fact. Not only do they mourn but they beat the living crap out of themselves every 10 Muharram. Does this sound like a command from the logical, balanced Allah we know from Quran or does this sound like stupid humans going back to their animalistic, ritualistic brainless tendencies. Forget wussup of Muhammad. They idolize Ali to the point of stupidity. Is this Islam or is this the human habit of idolizing humans? Don't get me wrong, there are some strong points the Shiites hold over the Sunnis. But they've both gone astray in different ways. The shiites are misguided like the other sects. Whatever happened between Ali and Aisha and the war they fought, is not our problem. It's between them and Allah will judge over their differences. It has nothing to do with Islam. Because the Prophet was dead by then, Islam had been completed as Quran was completed and revealed fully. The door had been closed by then. These matters are for sectarian Muslims to fight about. People who follow only Gods word need not worry about the disputes between Shia and Sunni. They're both full if pride, not interested in the truth and far off the path of Islam. Peace!
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