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    JesusIsTheWayTruthLife
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    Hello everyone

    My story began few years ago. I had no relationship with God. But i was in the church sunday after sunday. You see people going to the church, and no change in their lifes. Then i've discovered the TRUTH. I discovered what is vatican, secret agendas, idolatry, and many more. My faith has increased, but still i had no relationship with God. I knew that HE IS, but still i was a slave to the sin. I read and read about what is world today, what is "matrix", and then i meet Jesus. I beg for mercy and forgiveness, but still i was a slave to the sin, and nothing changed in my life. Many times i was crying out to Lord Lord saves me, forgive me. Then after many months, something has changed, and i began to struggling with myself. My eyes has opened. I've been fighting with myself but most of the battles were lost. And one night i prayed to the Lord to change me on this what he wanted me to be. And on the next day i said to the sin enough, and i was changed man. I've been born again, and now i see thing different, for the first time, it's a strange feeling but then it becomes beautiful. You're not in bondage of the sin, you just have no desires for sin anymore. Today i know Jesus Christ is the Lord. He is the ONLY way to the FATHER. "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." John 146 "Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free." John 832 There is no other way. Not by popes, not by churches, not by man, not by ANYONE ELSE. Unless a man repent of his sins, and receive Christ, have Christ, man is lost... "No, I tell you; but unless you repent, you will all likewise perish.? Luke 135 Sin and church going to hell, literally sin and church going to hell. We all need to be born again, there is no other way. "Jesus answered him, ?Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.? John 33 I know what i'm talking about. I was slave to the drugs, alcohol, sexual immorality and many more, yet he saved me. There is no greater thing than have a relationship with Christ, and i think people dont uderstand it, but as i look back i know why they don understand it, they're blinded, they can't see. "...the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers.." 2 cor 44 You will soon see war in the middle east, martial law in usa, economic worldwide collapse. We're in the way to the world war 3. The two witnesses will soon appear. Maybe then you will see that i'm not lying. Come to the Lord Jesus Christ while is time, because hour is late. I beg, all of you, for your own good. I just want to help you all. He can save you. God bless.

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      Hello everyone

      My story began few years ago. I had no relationship with God. But i was in the church sunday after sunday. You see people going to the church, and no change in their lifes. Then i've discovered the TRUTH. I discovered what is vatican, secret agendas, idolatry, and many more. My faith has increased, but still i had no relationship with God. I knew that HE IS, but still i was a slave to the sin. I read and read about what is world today, what is "matrix", and then i meet Jesus. I beg for mercy and forgiveness, but still i was a slave to the sin, and nothing changed in my life. Many times i was crying out to Lord Lord saves me, forgive me. Then after many months, something has changed, and i began to struggling with myself. My eyes has opened. I've been fighting with myself but most of the battles were lost. And one night i prayed to the Lord to change me on this what he wanted me to be. And on the next day i said to the sin enough, and i was changed man. I've been born again, and now i see thing different, for the first time, it's a strange feeling but then it becomes beautiful. You're not in bondage of the sin, you just have no desires for sin anymore. Today i know Jesus Christ is the Lord. He is the ONLY way to the FATHER. "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." John 146 "Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free." John 832 There is no other way. Not by popes, not by churches, not by man, not by ANYONE ELSE. Unless a man repent of his sins, and receive Christ, have Christ, man is lost... "No, I tell you; but unless you repent, you will all likewise perish.? Luke 135 Sin and church going to hell, literally sin and church going to hell. We all need to be born again, there is no other way. "Jesus answered him, ?Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.? John 33 I know what i'm talking about. I was slave to the drugs, alcohol, sexual immorality and many more, yet he saved me. There is no greater thing than have a relationship with Christ, and i think people dont uderstand it, but as i look back i know why they don understand it, they're blinded, they can't see. "...the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers.." 2 cor 44 You will soon see war in the middle east, martial law in usa, economic worldwide collapse. We're in the way to the world war 3. The two witnesses will soon appear. Maybe then you will see that i'm not lying. Come to the Lord Jesus Christ while is time, because hour is late. I beg, all of you, for your own good. I just want to help you all. He can save you. God bless.

      What gives you the impression that we are against jesus. Just that we also believe in Moses and Lot and Noah and Joseph. Are they not the way to salvation also?

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        They're not, if you knew about world today, you would know that he is the only way. But you don't need to know this shocking reality of world. What you need to know is that there is no other way. He declared this himself "Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." John 146 "?For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life." John 316 "he saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit..". Jesus is the only way of salvation because He is the only One who can pay our sin penalty. "For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. " Romans 623 Titus 35 Most of religions broking the law, which they deleted "You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. 5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the Lord your God..." Exodus 204 They dont want you to know this. Also "God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth." John 424 There is no other way. "Now this is eternal life that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent" John 173 No other religion teaches the depth or seriousness of sin and its consequences. No other religion offers the infinite payment of sin that only Jesus Christ could provide. No other ?religious founder? was God become man. He is God for the world. He is our saviour sent by our loving Father, just to save us.. "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." John 11 "The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth." John 114 "?Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved? Acts 412

        I told you my friend the truth, and only one true truth. There is not much time. I'm know what i'm talking about, trust me. And trust the Lord, he will show you whole truth, if you just ask him. But there will be two witnesses, and they will be the last chance for many. You will recognize them, soon. God bless

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          They're not, if you knew about world today, you would know that he is the only way. But you don't need to know this shocking reality of world. What you need to know is that there is no other way. He declared this himself "Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." John 146 "?For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life." John 316 "he saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit..". Jesus is the only way of salvation because He is the only One who can pay our sin penalty. "For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord. " Romans 623 Titus 35 Most of religions broking the law, which they deleted "You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. 5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the Lord your God..." Exodus 204 They dont want you to know this. Also "God is spirit, and his worshipers must worship in the Spirit and in truth." John 424 There is no other way. "Now this is eternal life that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent" John 173 No other religion teaches the depth or seriousness of sin and its consequences. No other religion offers the infinite payment of sin that only Jesus Christ could provide. No other ?religious founder? was God become man. He is God for the world. He is our saviour sent by our loving Father, just to save us.. "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God." John 11 "The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth." John 114 "?Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved? Acts 412

          I told you my friend the truth, and only one true truth. There is not much time. I'm know what i'm talking about, trust me. And trust the Lord, he will show you whole truth, if you just ask him. But there will be two witnesses, and they will be the last chance for many. You will recognize them, soon. God bless

          Did Jesus claim to be God? Of course Jesus left no writings of his own, so even if the Gospels did portray Jesus as making this claim, we�d have to wonder whether enthusiastic disciples had retroactively upgraded his status � something that often befalls religious leaders. (There have been, for example, sects that attributed divine or near-divine status to Confucius, Buddha, or Muhammad, three leaders who clearly would have vehemently disclaimed the �honour.�)

          But in fact I cannot find this claim attributed to Jesus anywhere in the Gospels. Indeed he seems at pains to stress his difference from and inferiority to God, as when he says �If I honour myself, my honour is nothing it is my Father that honoureth me� (John 854) or �Why callest thou me good? There is none good but one, that is, God� (Matthew 1917). Clearly Jesus would regard any attempt to identify him with God as shocking blasphemy.

          Jesus does admit, grudgingly, to being the Son of God, but were it not for the theological dogma of God as three-in-one (a doctrine likewise absent from the Gospels), this would naturally be taken as counting against, not for, the claim that Jesus is God. If I claimed to be the son of Pericles, who would infer that I was Pericles?

          Again, in the garden of Gethsemane Jesus is reported (though by whom is not clear, as all the disciples are said to have been asleep) as praying, �O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt.� (Matthew 2639) Would God pray to himself or ask favours from himself? Or even if we read trinitarianism into the Gospels, does it make sense for one person of the Godhead to pray to another person of the Godhead, or to suggest that the wills of these persons could differ?

          Jesus is reported to have said ?he that hath seen me hath seen the Father? and ?I am in the Father, and the Father in me? (John 149-10); but in the same passage he shortly goes on to add ?At that day ye shall know that I am in my Father, and ye in me, and I in you.? (John 1420) Again, while Jesus does proclaim ?I and my Father are one? (John 1030), he also prays for his followers, ?that they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us.? (John 1721) Whatever the nature of the ?oneness? Jesus is claiming exists between God and himself, it is apparently something that is supposed to hold between God and all Christians ? in which case it can hardly be the relation of numerical identity.

          Likewise, in the two New Testament passages where Jesus is said to have regarded himself as ?equal with God? ? John 518 and Philippians 26 ? the Greek word translated ?equal? is isos, which means ?on the same level? or ?of the same rank,? never ?identical.? The claim that Jesus was God did not become Christian orthodoxy until the Council of Nicaea in 325 CE. The orthodox reading of these passages seems natural today only because they are read through the lens of what ?everybody knows? about Jesus? claims to divinity; few would find incarnationism in the texts unless they first brought it there.

          An objector may point to the opening lines of the Gospel of John, which apparently identify the ?Logos? with God (John 11) and the ?Logos made flesh? with Jesus (John 114). Of course these lines were not spoken by Jesus, and so do not show that Jesus himself claimed to be God; but in any case, what exactly are they saying? The relation between God and the Logos seems to fall short of strict identity; the Greek, literally translated, says something like ?the Logos was with the God, and God is what the Logos was? ? an awkward construction clearly trying to express a subtler relation than identity. The term ?Logos? is borrowed from Greek philosophy, where it means a thing?s abstract rational nature; the Logos that is ?with? God and is what God is, is not God but God?s nature. To say that Jesus is the Logos made flesh, then, is simply to say that he is a physical embodiment of God?s nature. This hardly makes him identical with God, since all human beings are supposed to be created from God?s spirit (Genesis 27) and in God?s image and likeness (Genesis 126-27).

          Indeed the New Testament authors clearly understand Jesus as offering everyone the opportunity to be sons (and daughters) of God and to partake of God?s nature

          ?But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.? (John 112-13)

          ?For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. ... And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ.? (Romans 814-17)

          ?Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him.? (1 John 32)
          As the New Testament authors understand Jesus? message, being the ?Son of God? is evidently not a status that Jesus claims for himself alone, but one that is open to all Christians;

          http//praxeology.net/unblog02-04.htm

          You need to read the Gospel through the Gospel's eyes.

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            Hello everyone

            My story began few years ago. I had no relationship with God. But i was in the church sunday after sunday. You see people going to the church, and no change in their lifes. Then i've discovered the TRUTH. I discovered what is vatican, secret agendas, idolatry, and many more. My faith has increased, but still i had no relationship with God. I knew that HE IS, but still i was a slave to the sin. I read and read about what is world today, what is "matrix", and then i meet Jesus. I beg for mercy and forgiveness, but still i was a slave to the sin, and nothing changed in my life. Many times i was crying out to Lord Lord saves me, forgive me. Then after many months, something has changed, and i began to struggling with myself. My eyes has opened. I've been fighting with myself but most of the battles were lost. And one night i prayed to the Lord to change me on this what he wanted me to be. And on the next day i said to the sin enough, and i was changed man. I've been born again, and now i see thing different, for the first time, it's a strange feeling but then it becomes beautiful. You're not in bondage of the sin, you just have no desires for sin anymore. Today i know Jesus Christ is the Lord. He is the ONLY way to the FATHER. "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." John 146 "Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free." John 832 There is no other way. Not by popes, not by churches, not by man, not by ANYONE ELSE. Unless a man repent of his sins, and receive Christ, have Christ, man is lost... "No, I tell you; but unless you repent, you will all likewise perish.? Luke 135 Sin and church going to hell, literally sin and church going to hell. We all need to be born again, there is no other way. "Jesus answered him, ?Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.? John 33 I know what i'm talking about. I was slave to the drugs, alcohol, sexual immorality and many more, yet he saved me. There is no greater thing than have a relationship with Christ, and i think people dont uderstand it, but as i look back i know why they don understand it, they're blinded, they can't see. "...the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers.." 2 cor 44 You will soon see war in the middle east, martial law in usa, economic worldwide collapse. We're in the way to the world war 3. The two witnesses will soon appear. Maybe then you will see that i'm not lying. Come to the Lord Jesus Christ while is time, because hour is late. I beg, all of you, for your own good. I just want to help you all. He can save you. God bless.

            Salaam
            Jesus seems to be a very interesting person.
            did he wrote a book i can read ?
            Peace

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              Salaam
              Jesus seems to be a very interesting person.
              did he wrote a book i can read ?
              Peace

              LOL - I raise my hat to you!

              Dear JesusIsTheWayTruthLife I am a Christian, but came to this forum to share and learn. Try learning from people first

              Act 1034 Then Peter opened mouth and said "In truth I perceive that God shows no partiality.
              Act 1035 "But in every nation whoever fears Him and works righteousness is accepted by Him.

              Who is to say that they are not already 'saved'?

              Richard
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                JesusIsTheWayTruthLife
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                Who is to say that they are not already 'saved'?

                "All the prophets testify about him that everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins through his name.? Acts 1043

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                  "All the prophets testify about him that everyone who believes in him receives forgiveness of sins through his name.? Acts 1043

                  3.81. Behold! Allah took the covenant of the prophets, saying "I give you a Book and Wisdom; then comes to you an apostle, confirming what is with you; do ye believe in him and render him help." Allah said "Do ye agree, and take this my Covenant as binding on you?" They said "We agree." He said "Then bear witness, and I am with you among the witnesses."

                  This verse in the Quran came regarding Jews. It sounds the same as the verse you quoted. The problem is you are attaching a divinity to Jesus. Everything else you say is not the problem.

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                    This verse in the Quran came regarding Jews. It sounds the same as the verse you quoted. The problem is you are attaching a divinity to Jesus. Everything else you say is not the problem.

                    I'm not saying he is God, BUT he is the son of God. The only and one, mediator between God and people. Soon you will see two witnesses, that will be your last chance. Be prepared my friend. God bless

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                      I'm not saying he is God, BUT he is the son of God. The only and one, mediator between God and people. Soon you will see two witnesses, that will be your last chance. Be prepared my friend. God bless

                      I have no problem with you saying he is a mediator but the part when you say he is the only mediator. Was not Moses a mediator? Or else why did God send Moses or Noah for? You need to clarify a little more.

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                        Salaam,

                        I was calling myself Christian before this, but I was non-trinitarian, thus a monotheist. I liked the good things about Jesus, but I never accepted the idea of him being God or even a mediator between me and God.

                        God blessed me with doubt about it from the start and I was thus not susceptible to the whispers of Satan, praise to God.

                        For your own good, please leave this Jesus God stuff, if you apply divinity, then the New Testament would contradict itself.

                        Read books about the myth of Jesus, they will convince you if you think rationally. I completely discarded any, if there even was any, doubt whether I was right or wrong about Jesus. Jesus is not God, and he spoke only the words God told him to. He did not die as an act to return to the Father and to become a divine savior.

                        For example, Jesus did not let his followers call him lord and many other things which prove that the trinity is just nonsense.

                        Apart from obvious distortions, the Gospel is interesting to read though, I am sure there is still much Truth in it.

                        I have thought about and adopted much of the righteous behavior of Jesus in my daily life, nothing wrong with it, but then I did the same with all messengers too though. Perhaps that is the way you will reach Heaven through him?

                        Either way, welcome to the forum and hope you will discover the Truth with us.

                        God bless you

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                          I'm not saying he is God, BUT he is the son of God. The only and one, mediator between God and people. Soon you will see two witnesses, that will be your last chance. Be prepared my friend. God bless

                          so you're telling us that Jesus isn't a God himself?
                          from what Christian church are you come from?

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                            Salaam,

                            Some Christians do not choose to believe Jesus was God's son, people such as myself, while I was still calling myself Christian.

                            God bless you

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                              Hello everyone

                              My story began few years ago. I had no relationship with God. But i was in the church sunday after sunday. You see people going to the church, and no change in their lifes. Then i've discovered the TRUTH. I discovered what is vatican, secret agendas, idolatry, and many more. My faith has increased, but still i had no relationship with God. I knew that HE IS, but still i was a slave to the sin. I read and read about what is world today, what is "matrix", and then i meet Jesus. I beg for mercy and forgiveness, but still i was a slave to the sin, and nothing changed in my life. Many times i was crying out to Lord Lord saves me, forgive me. Then after many months, something has changed, and i began to struggling with myself. My eyes has opened. I've been fighting with myself but most of the battles were lost. And one night i prayed to the Lord to change me on this what he wanted me to be. And on the next day i said to the sin enough, and i was changed man. I've been born again, and now i see thing different, for the first time, it's a strange feeling but then it becomes beautiful. You're not in bondage of the sin, you just have no desires for sin anymore. Today i know Jesus Christ is the Lord. He is the ONLY way to the FATHER. "Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life no man cometh unto the Father, but by me." John 146 "Then you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free." John 832 There is no other way. Not by popes, not by churches, not by man, not by ANYONE ELSE. Unless a man repent of his sins, and receive Christ, have Christ, man is lost... "No, I tell you; but unless you repent, you will all likewise perish.? Luke 135 Sin and church going to hell, literally sin and church going to hell. We all need to be born again, there is no other way. "Jesus answered him, ?Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again he cannot see the kingdom of God.? John 33 I know what i'm talking about. I was slave to the drugs, alcohol, sexual immorality and many more, yet he saved me. There is no greater thing than have a relationship with Christ, and i think people dont uderstand it, but as i look back i know why they don understand it, they're blinded, they can't see. "...the god of this world has blinded the minds of the unbelievers.." 2 cor 44 You will soon see war in the middle east, martial law in usa, economic worldwide collapse. We're in the way to the world war 3. The two witnesses will soon appear. Maybe then you will see that i'm not lying. Come to the Lord Jesus Christ while is time, because hour is late. I beg, all of you, for your own good. I just want to help you all. He can save you. God bless.

                              Salaamunelikum/peace unto you Brother

                              I would like to give you a brief introduction to Islam and Muslim

                              The single most important belief in Islam, is that there is one God. The Muslim name for God is Allah, which is simply Arabic for "the (al) God (Ilah)."

                              Muslims believe that God is the all-powerful Creator of a perfect, ordered universe. He is transcendent and not a part of his creation, and is most often referred to in terms and with names that emphasize his majesty and superiority. Among the 99 Beautiful Names of God (Asma al-Husna) in the Qur'an are the Creator, the Fashioner, the Life-Giver, the Provider, the Opener, the Bestower, the Prevailer, the Reckoner, the Recorder, the King of Kingship and the Lord of the Worlds.

                              Allah exist with his words and His words are in Quran. Quran is the first and the final Book revealed by Allah for the guidance of the mankind. And it is the only Book in the world which claims to be a guide for the mankind. It is a common belief that Allah sent other Books before Quran, such as Torah and Gospel. The word Torah, which is Tauraat and Gospel which is Injeel in Quran has always been mistranslated by translators over the years and it was further copied by translator to translator into their translations. These words Tauraat, Injeel are the attributes of the Book/Quran. Tauraat means Law, Injeel means good new, Quran means reading, Furqaan means criterion and so on. Quran state that the same book/Al-Kitab was given to all the Prophets in the verses 683-90, in this verse The Book is in singular and it was given to 17 prophets.

                              As mentioned earlier, we believe in One Allah, and Allah exist with his words among ourselves, therefore, Allah states that any book about Allah other than Allah will be full of contradictions.

                              "Then do they not reflect upon the Qur'an? If it had been from other than Allah , they would have found within it much contradiction." 4;82

                              Thus it opens itself up for examination. And challenges the reader to try to disprove it by finding any contradictions within in.

                              Now keeping that in mind lets analyse Bible as a word of Allah. Christian faith mainly revolves around Jesus and the first contradiction Bible state, it is about Jesus genealogy.

                              According to Bible, of the four Gospel writers, God ?inspired? only two of them to record the genealogy of His ?son? to make it easy for you to compare the ?fathers and grandfathers? of Jesus Christ in both the ?inspired? lists. Matthew to record only 26 ancestors for His ?son?. But Luke had also ?inspired,?gathered upto 41 forefathers for Jesus. The only name common to these two lists between David and Jesus is Joseph and that too a ? supposed? father according to Luke 323 (AV). This one name is glaring. Could both the lists have emanated from the same source, i.e. God?

                              Secondly, Jesus (p.b.u.h) is mentioned as son of man 83 times and Son of God 13 times in the Bible. So, was Jesus a son of man or Son of God. The writers can not make their mind up as Jesus was a son of man or son of God?

                              Christian world attributes to Jesus as Word of God, a Sign, Mercy, A Messenger, and a Prophet. But his attributes can nowhere be found in Bible but only in Quran.

                              In Quran, Essa Ibne Marium/Jesus is mentioned 25 times and with his attributed names

                              when the angels said, "O Mary, indeed Allah gives you good tidings of a word/kalima from Him, whose name will be the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary - distinguished in this world and the Hereafter and among those brought near . 345

                              O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion Nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) a messenger of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him so believe in Allah and His messengers. Say not "Trinity" desist it will be better for you for Allah is one Allah Glory be to Him (far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs. 4171

                              He said "So (it will be) Thy Lord saith, 'that is easy for Me and (We wish) to appoint him as a Sign unto men and a Mercy from Us'It is a matter (so) decreed." 1922

                              said, "Indeed, I am the servant of Allah . He has given me the Book and made me a prophet. 1930

                              According to the Bible Jesus only knew Torah and Gospel, but according to Quran Allah taught him The Book, Taurat and Injeel.

                              "And Allah will teach him the Book and Wisdom, Taurt and Injeel. 348

                              According to Bible Jesus called his mother "Woman" John 2, but according to Quran Jesus was kind to his mother

                              (He) hath made me kind to my mother, and not overbearing or miserable; 1932

                              According to Bible the Disciples forsook Jesus and fled ST.Mark 14, Quran states that Disciples were with Jesus and they were MUSLIMS

                              But when Jesus felt disbelief from them, he said, "Who are my supporters for Allah ?" The disciples said," We are supporters for Allah . We have believed in Allah and testify that we are Muslims . 352

                              According to Quran Allah causes Jesus to die but Bible states he was killed on the Cross

                              And when Allah said ?O? Essa /Jesus I will mutawaffika/ complete you (your soul / self / psyche) and raafiooka / raise you (in degrees) to Myself and purify you from those who reject, and I will make those who follow you superior to those who reject towards the day of judgement. so you will return to Me, then I will judge between you in the matters where you differ.? 355

                              That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not- 4157

                              How can anyone presume that Allah Almighty will leave his prophets/messenger on the mercy of this corrupt world.

                              O Messenger, announce that which has been revealed to you from your Lord, and if you do not, then you have not conveyed His message. And Allah will protect you from the people. Indeed, Allah does not guide the disbelieving people. 567

                              Finally, Allah tell us about your invitation

                              And they say "None shall enter Paradise unless he be a Jew or a Christian." Those are their (vain) desires. Say "Produce your proof if ye are truthful." 2211

                              So, brother produce your proof as what you are telling us.

                              Peace unto you.

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                                Salaam,

                                The Gospel found in the Bible is the testimony of several followers of Jesus and it is right that Jesus never wrote any book and those versions of the Gospel are not written by God at all. However, despite the distortion and corruption, they still portray a partial Truth.

                                They were biased by the viewpoint of each follower, and the early Christian church may have distorted them further. There were most likely more versions written, which were more accurate, but they disappeared along the way.

                                The Bible portrays Jesus as a most humble man, pure from sin, thus perfectly righteous. The saying of Jesus "Woman!" never occurred, that is a Bible corruption, the Law commands us to respect our parents and Jesus would never have broken the Law.

                                Either the witness misinterpreted the situation, the language mistranslated or the early church added words to this text.

                                The prophets of old, those of the Torah, wrote various scriptures, which were later gathered together. Corrupted, distorted, over the years, they portray the partial Truth, but they are far from useless. These writings are their of testimonies of the Truth and was not written by God, even if these people were most righteous believers.

                                They knew from God what others did not.

                                God bless you

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                                  "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me." John 146

                                  Jesus spoke in metaphors, the truth in those metaphors will be shown to you only if God wills, and after a lot of reasoning. Not during a night of dreams.

                                  Jesus is the way? yes. But, remember Jesus metaphorically was the word of God incarnated. Therefore, the way and the truth and the life is contained in the Torah, the Psalms, what remains of the gospel, and the Qur'an. And yes, No one goes to the Father except through His word.

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                                    Salaamunelikum/peace unto you Brother

                                    I would like to give you a brief introduction to Islam and Muslim

                                    The single most important belief in Islam, is that there is one God. The Muslim name for God is Allah, which is simply Arabic for "the (al) God (Ilah)."

                                    Muslims believe that God is the all-powerful Creator of a perfect, ordered universe. He is transcendent and not a part of his creation, and is most often referred to in terms and with names that emphasize his majesty and superiority. Among the 99 Beautiful Names of God (Asma al-Husna) in the Qur'an are the Creator, the Fashioner, the Life-Giver, the Provider, the Opener, the Bestower, the Prevailer, the Reckoner, the Recorder, the King of Kingship and the Lord of the Worlds.

                                    Allah exist with his words and His words are in Quran. Quran is the first and the final Book revealed by Allah for the guidance of the mankind. And it is the only Book in the world which claims to be a guide for the mankind. It is a common belief that Allah sent other Books before Quran, such as Torah and Gospel. The word Torah, which is Tauraat and Gospel which is Injeel in Quran has always been mistranslated by translators over the years and it was further copied by translator to translator into their translations. These words Tauraat, Injeel are the attributes of the Book/Quran. Tauraat means Law, Injeel means good new, Quran means reading, Furqaan means criterion and so on. Quran state that the same book/Al-Kitab was given to all the Prophets in the verses 683-90, in this verse The Book is in singular and it was given to 17 prophets.

                                    As mentioned earlier, we believe in One Allah, and Allah exist with his words among ourselves, therefore, Allah states that any book about Allah other than Allah will be full of contradictions.

                                    "Then do they not reflect upon the Qur'an? If it had been from other than Allah , they would have found within it much contradiction." 4;82

                                    Thus it opens itself up for examination. And challenges the reader to try to disprove it by finding any contradictions within in.

                                    Now keeping that in mind lets analyse Bible as a word of Allah. Christian faith mainly revolves around Jesus and the first contradiction Bible state, it is about Jesus genealogy.

                                    According to Bible, of the four Gospel writers, God ?inspired? only two of them to record the genealogy of His ?son? to make it easy for you to compare the ?fathers and grandfathers? of Jesus Christ in both the ?inspired? lists. Matthew to record only 26 ancestors for His ?son?. But Luke had also ?inspired,?gathered upto 41 forefathers for Jesus. The only name common to these two lists between David and Jesus is Joseph and that too a ? supposed? father according to Luke 323 (AV). This one name is glaring. Could both the lists have emanated from the same source, i.e. God?

                                    Secondly, Jesus (p.b.u.h) is mentioned as son of man 83 times and Son of God 13 times in the Bible. So, was Jesus a son of man or Son of God. The writers can not make their mind up as Jesus was a son of man or son of God?

                                    Christian world attributes to Jesus as Word of God, a Sign, Mercy, A Messenger, and a Prophet. But his attributes can nowhere be found in Bible but only in Quran.

                                    In Quran, Essa Ibne Marium/Jesus is mentioned 25 times and with his attributed names

                                    when the angels said, "O Mary, indeed Allah gives you good tidings of a word/kalima from Him, whose name will be the Messiah, Jesus, the son of Mary - distinguished in this world and the Hereafter and among those brought near . 345

                                    O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion Nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) a messenger of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him so believe in Allah and His messengers. Say not "Trinity" desist it will be better for you for Allah is one Allah Glory be to Him (far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs. 4171

                                    He said "So (it will be) Thy Lord saith, 'that is easy for Me and (We wish) to appoint him as a Sign unto men and a Mercy from Us'It is a matter (so) decreed." 1922

                                    said, "Indeed, I am the servant of Allah . He has given me the Book and made me a prophet. 1930

                                    According to the Bible Jesus only knew Torah and Gospel, but according to Quran Allah taught him The Book, Taurat and Injeel.

                                    "And Allah will teach him the Book and Wisdom, Taurt and Injeel. 348

                                    According to Bible Jesus called his mother "Woman" John 2, but according to Quran Jesus was kind to his mother

                                    (He) hath made me kind to my mother, and not overbearing or miserable; 1932

                                    According to Bible the Disciples forsook Jesus and fled ST.Mark 14, Quran states that Disciples were with Jesus and they were MUSLIMS

                                    But when Jesus felt disbelief from them, he said, "Who are my supporters for Allah ?" The disciples said," We are supporters for Allah . We have believed in Allah and testify that we are Muslims . 352

                                    According to Quran Allah causes Jesus to die but Bible states he was killed on the Cross

                                    And when Allah said ?O? Essa /Jesus I will mutawaffika/ complete you (your soul / self / psyche) and raafiooka / raise you (in degrees) to Myself and purify you from those who reject, and I will make those who follow you superior to those who reject towards the day of judgement. so you will return to Me, then I will judge between you in the matters where you differ.? 355

                                    That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah";- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not- 4157

                                    How can anyone presume that Allah Almighty will leave his prophets/messenger on the mercy of this corrupt world.

                                    O Messenger, announce that which has been revealed to you from your Lord, and if you do not, then you have not conveyed His message. And Allah will protect you from the people. Indeed, Allah does not guide the disbelieving people. 567

                                    Finally, Allah tell us about your invitation

                                    And they say "None shall enter Paradise unless he be a Jew or a Christian." Those are their (vain) desires. Say "Produce your proof if ye are truthful." 2211

                                    So, brother produce your proof as what you are telling us.

                                    Peace unto you.

                                    Very nice introduction and summing up...
                                    It is interesting that I noticed the statement that the Qur'an is the very only book God has given to humanity...

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                                      I'm not saying he is God, BUT he is the son of God. The only and one, mediator between God and people. Soon you will see two witnesses, that will be your last chance. Be prepared my friend. God bless

                                      Hello there. Jesus is the son of God in the same sense as was David, Israel & Ephraim
                                      Psalm 27 & Jeremiah 319.

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                                        Greetings and Peace, all group

                                        It would seem that I'm a latecomer to this thread.

                                        Monotheism is the key; all Prophets (Peace upon them all) came with the same message. Following the example of Moses, or Jesus, or Muhammad, or any other Prophet is fine. It so happens that my wife is also a nontrinitarian Christian...no problem from me.

                                        Regarding some claims that a Jesus has a share in Divinity, this is not supported by the Bible, only by agendas. The following are evidences against the claim.

                                        Here is a short version http//www.aish.com/jw/s/48892792.html

                                        Here is a longer, more scholarly version http//www.gutenberg.org/files/15968/15968-pdf.pdf

                                        Others are free to believe as they will.

                                        ALLAH knows best.

                                        peace

                                        ~Abdul-Hadi

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                                          Peace Abdul-Hadi,

                                          So your wife is a Muslim, and even if there is a lack of Knowledge if she denies the Messenger of Qur'an and Qur'an itself, she fulfills most of what is required by God. The fundamental Message is the same in "pre-Quranic Islam" as in the Message of Qur'an, so your wife follows God. If I had not discovered about Qur'an alone Islam I would probably also have rather called myself Christian than Muslim, but praise to God I found a trace of Truth to follow, so I now know that the term Muslim is describing a certain person who works towards Islam, God's creed, and could as well call themselves Christian and still be Muslim in case you belong to a group who had the Christ as Messenger.

                                          Anyway, we need to love each other as brothers and be equitable. Best is to use no label at all but Muslim but the label Muslim is very misunderstood not only by Muslims themselves but the external viewers who get a negative appeal by traditionalists as they see Islam as a very strange and foreign religion which does not appeal to them at all and they only see Arabs with weird clothing and practices while Islam is in fact very generic and applicable for anyone. In fact one could continue to live practically as a (non-trinitarian) Christian, only believing in Qur'an as a scripture and gain Knowledge and Wisdom from it.

                                          Bible itself destroys its own arguments that Jesus is God and before someone enlightened me about them I still could not believe that Jesus was God. It is illogical in my opinion, not only considering the story of a son of God who "dies" and is killed by crucifixion seems crude. Apart from that, which father would let his son be killed on a cross while watching from Heaven if he happened to be God? It was so ridiculous when I was a child and teenager and it is still laughable.

                                          God bless you

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