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Is Zina related to sex ?

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    mohf
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    Those who devour exorbitant gains on capital endeavour-stand not except just like the standing of that person whom Cobra transforms confounded by bite.

    This parable for their transformation is for the reason that they said to people; "The credit sale is just like the gain charged on capital; usury";

    But the fact is that Allah the Exalted has declared the credit sale as permissible and has prohibited the exorbitant gain/usury on capital.

    Therefore, he whom advice; information about the difference between credit sale of goods and usury, conveyed by his Sustainer Lord has reached and in compliance thereof he has diligently abstained indulging in it, thereat, the past finalized transactions are for him while his matter rests with Allah the Exalted.

    And mind it that if someone reverts to it usury,

    thereby such deviants will be the residents-inmates of the scorching Hell-Prison.

    They will abide therein permanently.

    English word "trade" has no relationship or equivalence with usury. For trade the word used in Qur'aan is Tijarat and is also defined which matches Trade the activity of buying and selling, or sometimes bartering, goods.

    Word by Word analysis 2275

    And the whole point of your post is... what... give an alternative translation? Does that in any way change my point?

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      Mazhar
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      And the whole point of your post is... what... give an alternative translation? Does that in any way change my point?

      Not an alternative but to correct the erroneous translation that you had selected. The point was to indicate that we should first grasp what is stated in Ayahs before stretching them to pass on judgmentsa and infer conclusions like this.

      There is no doubt from those verses that anyone who takes riba is a non-believer. The same way, when I read 243, I read it like anyone who commits/committed/is commiting ZINA is a non believer; therefore, he can only mary a ZANI or a mushrik.

      The injunction is only about those who are convicted on the strength of prescribed evidence of the crime of having committed Zina. The guilty could be a believing man and non believing woman; or a believing woman and non believing man; or both could be believers. The punishment prescribed is same and future social status is laid down that such convicts can marry only another such convict. Believers are prohibited to marry them.

      There could be many believers who indulge secretely in illict intercourse. Thereby they are not Zani as for the society is concerned. Therefore, the injunction should not stretched any further. Any believer convicted Zani in his life time could repent and correct his conduct in further life. Is he then not a believer?

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        Not an alternative but to correct the erroneous translation that you had selected. The point was to indicate that we should first grasp what is stated in Ayahs before stretching them to pass on judgmentsa and infer conclusions like this.

        The injunction is only about those who are convicted on the strength of prescribed evidence of the crime of having committed Zina. The guilty could be a believing man and non believing woman; or a believing woman and non believing man; or both could be believers. The punishment prescribed is same and future social status is laid down that such convicts can marry only another such convict. Believers are prohibited to marry them.

        There could be many believers who indulge secretely in illict intercourse. Thereby they are not Zani as for the society is concerned. Therefore, the injunction should not stretched any further. Any believer convicted Zani in his life time could repent and correct his conduct in further life. Is he then not a believer?

        Peace be with you, Mazhar.

        I agree with you. The punishment sounds fine to me up to the part where it says that a person guilty of committing zina can only marry a person who is also guilty of the same crime. BUT what makes me really wonder is, as the punishment continues further, it states that the person guilty can also marry a non-believer. Why do you think it is like this? I mean, why do their rights to marry believers get substituted with rights to marry non-believers?

        Non-believers are God's enemies, right? So why does a believing man/woman guilty of zina should live his life with an enemy of Allah, i.e. a disbeliever? Please share your thoughts.

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          Mazhar
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          Peace be with you, Mazhar.

          I agree with you. The punishment sounds fine to me up to the part where it says that a person guilty of committing zina can only marry a person who is also guilty of the same crime. BUT what makes me really wonder is, as the punishment continues further, it states that the person guilty can also marry a non-believer. Why do you think it is like this? I mean, why do their rights to marry believers get substituted with rights to marry non-believers?

          Non-believers are God's enemies, right? So why does a believing man/woman guilty of zina should live his life with an enemy of Allah, i.e. a disbeliever? Please share your thoughts.

          Salamun alaika,

          "also" in your sentence changes the meanings.

          It is a penal clause, and in criminal justice nothing is added or subtracted of the penal law.

          The Man held guilty of consented illicit sexual intercourse shall not henceforth enter into the contract of Nikah matrimonial bondage except with a woman-convict of illicit sexual intercourse or a polytheist woman.
          And no one except a convict-man of illicit sexual intercourse or a polytheist shall marry certain woman held guilty of consented illicit sexual intercourse.
          And this marriage entering into Nikah with the man or the woman convicted of illicit sexual intercourse is prohibited for the Believers.

          AzZani is no more an ordinary person. He is convicted of a sexual crime of ultimate nature in a manner that it was observed by four people who did testify in the court of law. How can he be given liberty to marry any woman of the society? And how he can be deprived of physical need for all his life? He is thereby allowed to marry, if he so wills, ONLY some convict woman of crime of Zina or a Polytheist woman if she consents to him.

          Believers are prohibited to marry with such convicted criminals of the crime of Zina.

          Convicted Zani by restrictive clause is also not permitted to marry a Christian or Jew woman of the society except someone of them already convicted for the crime of Zina.

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            Peace Family,

            Salamun alaika,
            Believers are prohibited to marry with such convicted criminals of the crime of Zina.

            Simply put, kind with kind or birds of a feather.

            peace

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