PLEASE WATCH THESE!!!
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Prace drfazl,
I meant, it may hypothetically feel inhumane to see what happens but that God has reasons to be angry. I am not questioning God's judgment.
You can pity those who go wrong in life, but you are not allowed to question God's final decisions. Remember the verse in Quran which says all bad is from yourself.
Yet you should not think that these people deserve this or that. Pray that they may become better and finally learn something. Try to spread the Word and its Message may some day reach the Middle-East (edit) and other parts of the world. I am in hibernation in Iran at the moment, but I am going to try sooner or later. It is just risky business here.
God bless you
Edit Regarding the topic of discussion; I think the U.S is not much better than the rest of the world. Sure there is some kind of democracy, but it becomes rich on illicit earnings. It is like a modern empire with immense arrogance. Nowadays the evil works are hidden by the media which broadcasts propaganda that people sadly believe in without questioning.
I am not saying, for example Iran, is any better. I know what is on their news channels. Only that the direct consequences of religious extremism is more severe.
God bless you
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There is only one true sect . . . going strong from day one. Ahl e Sunnah Wal Jamah.
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Bahrain is an unique kingdom, this country is majority Shite, but the royal family is Sunni.
In the past Iran attempted to annex Bahrain, so thats why now Saudi is very protective to Bahrain, like create King Fahd bridges, and send some troops to help tackle the unrest.Saudi n USA (possibly) is concerned if Bahrain's royal familiy was toppled, Bahrain will change their political side to Iran.I would say that is a valid concern. Bahrain would be worse under Iranian Ayatollahs. Al Saud may not be perfect, but they are hundred times better in managing country compared to Iranian regime. The prosperity which Bahrain enjoys today would be lost if Ayatollahs took over, with their anti western and isolationist policies. They're also craving for a scenario to ensure their 12th Imam emerges, which is one of the main motivator behind the Iranian regime's actions today.
Helloo.. remembered Iraq?
The same situation Shiite Majority with Sunnis in power (Saddam Hussein and the gang)And now the Sunnis cannot accept the fact that the shiites held power and they're doing bombing nearly everyday..
Iraq government (which is shiite majority government) today is not 'anti-western' or 'isolationist'.
It's the sunnis who caused mayhem, murders and spreading of fear in today's Iraq.Thus how can you say "When the Shiite majority grab power in Bahrain it will be worse than being under the Sunni's dynasty nepotism?"
So much about "The prosperity which Bahrain enjoys today would be lost if Ayatollahs/Shiite took over", it's actually the same propaganda being propagated by the Saddam Hussein regime in Iraq during his heyday of power.
The Saudi's dynasty got a lot of fear to the shiites, due to their own wrongdoings to the shiites both in the past and up until today.
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Shia_Muslims
Salam / Peace
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Peace,
Somehow I think people have more freedom in Iran than Saudi-Arabia. Just a first-hand neutral observation of Iran tells me that and external views of KSA.
Sure, alternative thinking can be risky in Iran, but it is still not as dangerous as people think.
The only hazardous factor in Iran is the unhealthy paranoia which has affected the Iranian government. They see Western propaganda everywhere and they think they need to defend their people and sovereignty. This defense takes its expression in heavy censorship of Internet, media and practically all external sources.
Still I think Iran is much better than people think in Western countries, also compared to other questionable countries in the world.
"Interviews" (or rather casual talk) with many Iranians tells me that a majority of them are not content with the problems the fanatic government is imposing on its citizens. Complaints are everywhere and many are open to liberal attitudes to religion.
Most of those who run out in the street yelling "death to America" are uneducated, ignorant people who are manipulated by the government media and propaganda. Most people have never set their foot abroad. The isolation has caused them to feel this way because it is easier to ask death to someone you have never seen.
Despite this I can actually understand the reluctance to let some elements of the Western world to come to Iran like people running around almost naked, extreme haircuts, nasty attitude, vulgarity and many other irreligious elements to a country which is pretty spared from that kind of behavior.
Although I think, Iran will make its population get tired in time and just stop supporting their country. But as long as they keep their population uneducated and living in ignorance and under regime propaganda and indoctrination it will be fine. They will have yet a majority of the population in their tight grip.
Nevertheless, I think Iran is better than KSA.
God bless you
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Pixelrow,
2868 And your God creates what He wills and chooses; not for them was the choice. Exalted is Allah and high above what they associate with Him.
Sunnah Wal Jamah is surely going wrong from day one.
Peace.
The above doesn't say much does it? All you have said is
"Sunnah Wal Jamah is surely going wrong from day one."
Just because you claim it . . . doesn't make it so. As it is a simple statement. The I dismiss it in a similar fashion . . .
Sunnah Wal Jamah is surely the one true path from day one.
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The Saudi's dynasty got a lot of fear to the shiites, due to their own wrongdoings to the shiites both in the past and up until today.
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Shia_Muslims
Salam / Peace
This may be correct. I don't know. I am of the opinion that the Saudi Dynasty feels "threatened" by Iran due to Iran's Revolutionary Ideology as compared to Saudi Arabia. Each country stake claims to being Islamic Countries but only Iran has the testicles to stand up against The Great Satan and practice their sovereignty how they see fit without America's say so and regardless of how America feels about it whereas it's no secret at all that Saudi Arabia is one of America's many, many prostitutes that they have set up all over the world.
I seriously believe Iran, Syria, China and North Korea are the only regimes left on this planet which would have the courage to resist The United States' and The Zionist Occupants of Palestine's plans for complete world domination and, in the case of China, North Korea and Iran, the military strength to actually bloody their noses.
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Helloo.. remembered Iraq?
The same situation Shiite Majority with Sunnis in power (Saddam Hussein and the gang)And now the Sunnis cannot accept the fact that the shiites held power and they're doing bombing nearly everyday..
Iraq government (which is shiite majority government) today is not 'anti-western' or 'isolationist'.
It's the sunnis who caused mayhem, murders and spreading of fear in today's Iraq.Thus how can you say "When the Shiite majority grab power in Bahrain it will be worse than being under the Sunni's dynasty nepotism?"
So much about "The prosperity which Bahrain enjoys today would be lost if Ayatollahs/Shiite took over", it's actually the same propaganda being propagated by the Saddam Hussein regime in Iraq during his heyday of power.
The Saudi's dynasty got a lot of fear to the shiites, due to their own wrongdoings to the shiites both in the past and up until today.
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Shia_Muslims
Salam / Peace
You are incorrect in saying that Sunnis are causing Mayhem in Iraq. It is both sides. Shias have their own terrorist groups too - Muqtada Al Sadr, Mahdi Army etc... They also kill Sunnis. Although I agree it is nowhere nearly the same level as Saddam did.
Today's Bahrain is very different from Iraq back then. It's GDP per capita is $27000, whereas Iraq's was not more than a few thousands. Iraq was never prosperous, it was just militarily powerful.
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This may be correct. I don't know. I am of the opinion that the Saudi Dynasty feels "threatened" by Iran due to Iran's Revolutionary Ideology as compared to Saudi Arabia. Each country stake claims to being Islamic Countries but only Iran has the testicles to stand up against The Great Satan and practice their sovereignty how they see fit without America's say so and regardless of how America feels about it whereas it's no secret at all that Saudi Arabia is one of America's many, many prostitutes that they have set up all over the world.
I seriously believe Iran, Syria, China and North Korea are the only regimes left on this planet which would have the courage to resist The United States' and The Zionist Occupants of Palestine's plans for complete world domination and, in the case of China, North Korea and Iran, the military strength to actually bloody their noses.
Al Saud dynasty has nothing to fear the shias. There are 3.5 million Shias living in Saudi Arabia. They have more rights than Sunnis have in Iran. They also have representatives in Mecca.
The problem is the Shias who are an agent of the Iranian regime and act on their orders not all of them. Recall that it is Khomeini who first was bent on exporting his Shia ideology. He openly threatened to conquer Mecca/Medina for Shias.
And what has "standing up against great satan" has done to Iran? Iran's currency has devaluated many times in the last year, do you have any idea what that means? The population are suffering due to the Ayatollahs. Ahmedinejad lost the election in 2009 in favour of a moderate candidate who wanted to normalise the relations with US and west and had to commit voter fraud + kill thousands to stay in power.
Saudi Arabia is the biggest economy in the middle east and the most stable Muslim country. They absorb more Muslim immigrants than any other country. They're putting money where it is most needed - in development.
Somehow, you seem like a crazy conspiracy theorist to me.
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Today's Bahrain is very different from Iraq back then. It's GDP per capita is $27000, whereas Iraq's was not more than a few thousands. Iraq was never prosperous, it was just militarily powerful.
Do you know how GDP per capita being counted?
IF one people earn $10 Million and 9 people earn $0 then the GDP per capita is $1 Million.
In short GDP per capita shows nothing..And it's the same case as Bahrain, the Al-Khalifa families, cronies and sunni minions get 80% share of the total income from oil resources and they share the 20% to the rest of the people.
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Bahrain
http//www.newenglishreview.org/Samir_Yousif/Apartheid_Under_the_Mandate_of_Islam%3A_The_Case_of_Bahrain/
http//kristof.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/02/22/is-this-apartheid-in-bahrain/ -
Al Saud dynasty has nothing to fear the shias. There are 3.5 million Shias living in Saudi Arabia. They have more rights than Sunnis have in Iran. They also have representatives in Mecca.
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shia_Islam_in_Saudi_Arabia
And I guess the Jews and Christians also living happily in Saudi Arabia?
In Iran there are many Jews, Christians (Catholics, Orthodox, Mandaeans / Follower of John The Baptist), Sunnis, Zoroastrians etc..
Church In Teheran
http//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/73/Catholic_church_in_Tehran.jpg
Synagogue in Teheran
http//www.tlaxcala-int.org/upload/gal_838.jpgI wonder if there's any church / synagogue in KSA..
Salam / PEace
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Salaam/Peace Jafar,
You are well informed on a lot of issues and you seem to be on top of things.
And it's the same case as Bahrain, the Al-Khalifa families, cronies and sunni minions get 80% share of the total income from oil resources and they share the 20% to the rest of the people.
I was watching an interview a couple of weeks ago on LuaLua Tv and according to a gentleman who was at the time one of the representatives on behalf of The Bahraini People, they don't even get 20% of the revenues coming in from the Oil Exports. This is just ONE of the reasons behind the uprising of The Bahraini Citizens.
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Man of Faith
Dear brotherMy reply to your message seems to have met with some error and hence this post.
To your query what do I think about what happened
What happened in this forum Is just political clouting started by Shirley, shared by the like and even minded adversaries. We only tried to bring some sense to the topic through Quran but they could not heed. Allah says if we argue or sit with them who are forgetful or careless of Allah's verses, we too would become like them 4140; 620. And you never argued with them except saying your points and so, no blame on you. Henceforth we rehearse in our entire life, the sense of the ayats just mentioned.
What happened in Bahrain It is nothing more than what happens justly as Sunna of Allah against those rejecters of Quran. And you will not find any change in the Sunna (3362, 61, 60). As long as they associate Hadith with Quran they are mischief mongers who always mix up good and bad; and right and wrong. They are a drowned people in their own contumacy, never to surface again for a fresh lease of life unless they attend to the verses of Quran and rehearse it in their lives, with patience while they suffer. Allah says He has not sent down this Quran to make you suffer (202). The Bahraini upheaval is an example of those who belie this particular verse of Quran. Almost all Muslims and all Muslim countries fall into this category and the prophets would be witnesses to this who would say O my God, my people had totally rejected Quran!
Peace, brother
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Man of Faith
Dear brotherMy reply to your message seems to have met with some error and hence this post.
To your query what do I think about what happened
What happened in this forum Is just political clouting started by Shirley, shared by the like and even minded adversaries. We only tried to bring some sense to the topic through Quran but they could not heed. Allah says if we argue or sit with them who are forgetful or careless of Allah's verses, we too would become like them 4140; 620. And you never argued with them except saying your points and so, no blame on you. Henceforth we rehearse in our entire life, the sense of the ayats just mentioned.
What happened in Bahrain It is nothing more than what happens justly as Sunna of Allah against those rejecters of Quran. And you will not find any change in the Sunna (3362, 61, 60). As long as they associate Hadith with Quran they are mischief mongers who always mix up good and bad; and right and wrong. They are a drowned people in their own contumacy, never to surface again for a fresh lease of life unless they attend to the verses of Quran and rehearse it in their lives, with patience while they suffer. Allah says He has not sent down this Quran to make you suffer (202). The Bahraini upheaval is an example of those who belie this particular verse of Quran. Almost all Muslims and all Muslim countries fall into this category and the prophets would be witnesses to this who would say O my God, my people had totally rejected Quran!
What happened in this forum Is just a 'revelation' of what's truly happening on the ground. Beyond the cloud of political interest and media distortion.
Face the fact, Sectarianism, tribalism and racism is tearing Middle East apart and it has happened since many centuries ago up until today.
In the end, numbers will win, politically, it just a matter of time.
Thus the future will be- The Palestinians will prevail over the Jews in Israel
- The Shiites will prevail over the Sunnis in Bahrain
- Wahhabism + Salafism in KSA and Zionism in Israel will become extinct.
It just a matter of 'when it happened' and 'how it happened'.
The true test will be when the oppressed finally get the upper hand.
- Will they 'seek revenge' ? (FAILED THE TEST)
- Or will they forgive their past 'oppressor' / 'enemy', dissolve sectarianism, racism, tribalism as a whole and move forward (PASS THE TEST),
The blacks in South Africa PASS THE TEST with at least B+ grade.
Salam / Peace
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Jafar, peace
Every word of your answer to this post is answering your God. Please go ahead..
In the end, numbers will win, politically, it just a matter of time.
Thus the future will beNumbers will win? Will you read 925 and rectify and retract your statement?
- The Palestinians will prevail over the Jews in Israel
- The Shiites will prevail over the Sunnis in Bahrain
- Wahhabism + Salafism in KSA and Zionism in Israel will become extinct.
Will you read 2455 juxtaposing with 6159 and correct and speak out?
When are you going to pray to Allah to rule the world? And before that prayer become humble before your God; and read the following ayat 326It just a matter of 'when it happened' and 'how it happened'.
The true test will be when the oppressed finally get the upper hand.
- Will they 'seek revenge' ? (FAILED THE TEST)
- Or will they forgive their past 'oppressor' / 'enemy', dissolve sectarianism, racism, tribalism as a whole and move forward (PASS THE TEST),
The blacks in South Africa PASS THE TEST with at least B+ grade.
Please read 6839 and leave the judgement with God. Do not be the falsifier of judgement Day 1071
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Do you know how GDP per capita being counted?
IF one people earn $10 Million and 9 people earn $0 then the GDP per capita is $1 Million.
In short GDP per capita shows nothing..And it's the same case as Bahrain, the Al-Khalifa families, cronies and sunni minions get 80% share of the total income from oil resources and they share the 20% to the rest of the people.
http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Human_rights_in_Bahrain
http//www.newenglishreview.org/Samir_Yousif/Apartheid_Under_the_Mandate_of_Islam%3A_The_Case_of_Bahrain/
http//kristof.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/02/22/is-this-apartheid-in-bahrain/GDP/capita does show the relative level of prosperity. But if you want to measure income inequality, let's see the "Gini Index", which is specifically designed for that.
The Gini Index of Bahrain is at 39, on a scale of 1-100. This puts Bahrain's income inequality at less than that of the United States, and a little more than that of Canada.
What say now?
Salaam/Peace Jafar,
You are well informed on a lot of issues and you seem to be on top of things.
I was watching an interview a couple of weeks ago on LuaLua Tv and according to a gentleman who was at the time one of the representatives on behalf of The Bahraini People, they don't even get 20% of the revenues coming in from the Oil Exports. This is just ONE of the reasons behind the uprising of The Bahraini Citizens.
As usual, all you can bring up is anecdotes to back up your claim. Anecdotes does not equal to evidence.
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http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shia_Islam_in_Saudi_Arabia
And I guess the Jews and Christians also living happily in Saudi Arabia?
In Iran there are many Jews, Christians (Catholics, Orthodox, Mandaeans / Follower of John The Baptist), Sunnis, Zoroastrians etc..
Church In Teheran
http//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/73/Catholic_church_in_Tehran.jpg
Synagogue in Teheran
http//www.tlaxcala-int.org/upload/gal_838.jpgI wonder if there's any church / synagogue in KSA..
Salam / PEace
The Saudi government has repeatedly stated that it does not forbid private worship for Jews/christians. Only public preaching is forbidden due to a Hadith of Prophet Mohammed where he asked to forbid all religious practice other than Islam from Arabian peninsula. So, yes, in that respect Iran would be better than Saudi. But this does not negate the success of Al Saud dynasty at turning Saudi arabia to a prosperous welfare state.
But consider this. 99.5% of Saudis are already Muslim. Any reforms wouldn't matter because existing population is already Muslim.
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- Wahhabism + Salafism in KSA and Zionism in Israel will become extinct.
Wahabism by now just used as "political tools" by Saud Family.
Even Wahabism support Ibn Saud during his struggle, but in 1933 when American traveler discoverd the oil in KSA, Saudi's family was changed their policy from Anti Western policy to pro Western especially to USA.Of course it's against Wahabism who is anti western, in which made a gaps between Saudi Family and Wahhab Conservatism.To avoid something risk, Saudi still give autharity to Wahabism in KSA, just to erase the "gaps" and strengthen the Royal power in domestic.
There is good article about Salafy by Ahmed Mansour in Ahle Quran site
http//www.ahl-alquran.com/English/show_article.php?main_id=8027
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Dear DrFazl,
Thanks for bringing the truth. If we view just materialistic way we feel pity. But Reading Quran and seeing the materialistic world, it is so funny and ridiculous How the world is by the hands of people. Thanks for bringing the Truth with Reference to QURAN. I wish more and more Malaks descend on you with heavy wings to and you also learning Quran directly from ALLAH's Guidance. God Bless You. Me like many hugely benefitted in Life with Allah's Blessings.....
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GDP/capita does show the relative level of prosperity. But if you want to measure income inequality, let's see the "Gini Index", which is specifically designed for that.
The Gini Index of Bahrain is at 39, on a scale of 1-100. This puts Bahrain's income inequality at less than that of the United States, and a little more than that of Canada.
What say now?
As usual, all you can bring up is anecdotes to back up your claim. Anecdotes does not equal to evidence.
Gini co-efficient is measured between 1 and 0 - where 0 is perfect equality.
Where did u get ur figures from?
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Man of Faith
Dear brotherMy reply to your message seems to have met with some error and hence this post.
To your query what do I think about what happened
What happened in this forum Is just political clouting started by Shirley, shared by the like and even minded adversaries. We only tried to bring some sense to the topic through Quran but they could not heed. Allah says if we argue or sit with them who are forgetful or careless of Allah's verses, we too would become like them 4140; 620. And you never argued with them except saying your points and so, no blame on you. Henceforth we rehearse in our entire life, the sense of the ayats just mentioned.
What happened in Bahrain It is nothing more than what happens justly as Sunna of Allah against those rejecters of Quran. And you will not find any change in the Sunna (3362, 61, 60). As long as they associate Hadith with Quran they are mischief mongers who always mix up good and bad; and right and wrong. They are a drowned people in their own contumacy, never to surface again for a fresh lease of life unless they attend to the verses of Quran and rehearse it in their lives, with patience while they suffer. Allah says He has not sent down this Quran to make you suffer (202). The Bahraini upheaval is an example of those who belie this particular verse of Quran. Almost all Muslims and all Muslim countries fall into this category and the prophets would be witnesses to this who would say O my God, my people had totally rejected Quran!
Peace, brother
In other words . . . these few "Quran only" are the right ones . . . those who have always been a small minority. Yet you deny you are a sect.
This is anything but being sectarian.