Good article that destoys the "19" myth
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Peace,
So you find it a coincidence that God refers to many things by number 7?
7 verses, 7 pairs, 7 sleepers, 7 seas, 7 days, and the list goes on. It is a pretty common number for God to use to refer to His marvels. I wonder myself sometimes why it is like this. Number 7 seems to symbolize something. Do you deny this?
Your logic is different from mine then. Is my logic flawed?
God bless you despite your arrogance
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Peace,
So you find it a coincidence that God refers to many things by number 7?
7 verses, 7 pairs, 7 sleepers, 7 seas, 7 days, and the list goes on. It is a pretty common number for God to use to refer to His marvels. I wonder myself sometimes why it is like this. Number 7 seems to symbolize something. Do you deny this?
Your logic is different from mine then. Is my logic flawed?
God bless you despite your arrogance
Did you read what I said? I will repeat . . . you can take any number 2-9 and come up with such "miracles". They do not really mean anything.
Take seven verses . . . it is just number of verses in Surah Fatiha. That is all . . . next chapter has more . . . why would that be significant?
7 pairs of what?
7 seas? There are more than 7 seas!
7 days? So what? There are 30 in a month, 365 in a year . . . etc.
"Number 7 seems to symbolize something. Do you deny this?
"Obviously - I thought was clear from the reply above.
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Peace pixelrow,
It is true, but those numbers would mean nothing because you do not contextualize them to something relevant.
I still say to you that number seven is special. You can have it the way you like but it does not matter to me.
There are 14 initials in the Quran which I see connected to the seven pairs stated in Quran.
Anyway, a handful of people see no relevancy in the occurrences in the Book, but it does not matter out of the religious perspective since it is not truly relevant anyway for salvation.
But some people put so much energy in trying to falsify this finding and for what purpose? It is not like it matters anyway. The religious assessment is not based around some mathematical phenomenon but is based around you as an individual, which you seem to have forgotten completely.
God speed
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You made a promise NOT to "talk" to me! . . .but never mind!
"It is true, but those numbers would mean nothing because you do not contextualize them to something relevant."
Ah . . . see it is YOUR argument. . .hence - it is YOU who has not done what you claim!
"I still say to you that number seven is special. You can have it the way you like but it does not matter to me."
Sure . . this is how dogma works.
"Anyway, a handful of people see no relevancy in the occurrences in the Book, but it does not matter out of the religious perspective since it is not truly relevant anyway for salvation."
There we have it . . . you admit it is not relevant! It is what I said from the start . . .!!!!
You say "handful" - implying many do . . . I don't think that is the case - else - EVIDENCE?
"But some people put so much energy in trying to falsify this finding and for what purpose? It is not like it matters anyway. "
If it does not matter . . . why state it in the 1st place? You see the 2 are different things . . . random occurrences are NOT relevant at all. But those who try to make it relevant lead others to danger - hence effort has to be put in to counter this.
For example . . . Astrology is meaningless - yet this meaningless can be very dangerous when some make this meaninglessness relevant and start to dictate it to other people . . .
"The religious assessment is not based around some mathematical phenomenon but is based around you as an individual, which you seem to have forgotten completely."
I have no idea what this line means.
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Peace pixelrow,
Handful of people who do not believe in any mathematical "code" in Quran is what I meant. A few of my best contacts on this forum do not believe in the "code". It does not matter to me, they are good muslims anyway.
My remark was an attempt to ease up the situation. Of course I would not claim the code had any relevance in salvation, but it is also my claim when it comes to hadith.
This is why I sense you are self-gratifying and the other things I have said before which I do not intend to repeat anymore now. You know this is how I regard you by now.
Last paragraph meant that God will not use belief in a mathematical phenomenon to assess your worthiness to enter wherever you go on the Judgment Day, but your behavior and actions will be assessed.
God bless you
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Peace pixelrow,
Handful of people who do not believe in any mathematical "code" in Quran is what I meant. A few of my best contacts on this forum do not believe in the "code". It does not matter to me, they are good muslims anyway.
My remark was an attempt to ease up the situation. Of course I would not claim the code had any relevance in salvation, but it is also my claim when it comes to hadith.
This is why I sense you are self-gratifying and the other things I have said before which I do not intend to repeat anymore now. You know this is how I regard you by now.
Last paragraph meant that God will not use belief in a mathematical phenomenon to assess your worthiness to enter wherever you go on the Judgment Day, but your behavior and actions will be assessed.
God bless you
Strangely - you said quite a while - you will NOT reply to me again . . . but since then you have left many replies.
Then you admitted you were in the wrong by apologising for being personal.
I cannot help it - if you have acquired such fascination towards me - that you cannot let go.
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Interesting article.
Man of Faith, I know what you mean with the number 7. When I was in Catholic school they would say that is God's lucky number rotfl God needs luck?? Anyway, I don't put weight into it but it is interesting. I find the Golden Ratio aka Divine Proportion very interesting as well. I see it as signs in God's creation, something to just chew on. I had to do a report on the Golden Ratio and fascinated it me for weeks! At the end of it, it made me reflect on how this world could not be without a creator. Now Muslim when I read in Qur'an to take note of the signs within nature, it makes me smile.
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Peace Indelwyn,
Well, I am not a fanatic believer in the mathematical number patterns, but I do believe in it though. It is mysterious to me and strange. I have checked sura 1 of Quran and the number of letters in it per verse is as follows
- 19
- 17
- 12
- 12
- 19
- 19
- 44 (note - until the verse speaks about those who are astray or provoked God's anger it is 19 letters)
I am sure there is some kind of complex mathematical system in Quran, but it is not only limited to 19, it is more vast than that.
God seems to have number combinations for all sorts of things.
Anyway, I do spend some hour from time to time thinking about this system, but it is not what I base my Faith on. I see it merely as a Faith-booster, ie another sign that God is really real.
And I do not believe that Dr. Khalifa was a Messenger of God. And I do not follow his teachings nor his counts of 19 in Quran. I reproduce all testing on my own here at home if I do something.
In the end, I spend only a tiny per cent of my time on the mathematical pattern. Reading Quran and the Bible is what I do most of the time.
God bless you
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Peace Indelwyn,
Well, I am not a fanatic believer in the mathematical number patterns, but I do believe in it though. It is mysterious to me and strange. I have checked sura 1 of Quran and the number of letters in it per verse is as follows
- 19
- 17
- 12
- 12
- 19
- 19
- 44 (note - until the verse speaks about those who are astray or provoked God's anger it is 19 letters)
I am sure there is some kind of complex mathematical system in Quran, but it is not only limited to 19, it is more vast than that.
God seems to have number combinations for all sorts of things.
Anyway, I do spend some hour from time to time thinking about this system, but it is not what I base my Faith on. I see it merely as a Faith-booster, ie another sign that God is really real.
And I do not believe that Dr. Khalifa was a Messenger of God. And I do not follow his teachings nor his counts of 19 in Quran. I reproduce all testing on my own here at home if I do something.
In the end, I spend only a tiny per cent of my time on the mathematical pattern. Reading Quran and the Bible is what I do most of the time.
God bless you
I could not agree more!
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Peace Indelwyn,
Well, I am not a fanatic believer in the mathematical number patterns, but I do believe in it though. It is mysterious to me and strange. I have checked sura 1 of Quran and the number of letters in it per verse is as follows
- 19
- 17
- 12
- 12
- 19
- 19
- 44 (note - until the verse speaks about those who are astray or provoked God's anger it is 19 letters)
I am sure there is some kind of complex mathematical system in Quran, but it is not only limited to 19, it is more vast than that.
God seems to have number combinations for all sorts of things.
Anyway, I do spend some hour from time to time thinking about this system, but it is not what I base my Faith on. I see it merely as a Faith-booster, ie another sign that God is really real.
And I do not believe that Dr. Khalifa was a Messenger of God. And I do not follow his teachings nor his counts of 19 in Quran. I reproduce all testing on my own here at home if I do something.
In the end, I spend only a tiny per cent of my time on the mathematical pattern. Reading Quran and the Bible is what I do most of the time.
God bless you
Those are NOTHING more than random numbers . . . you can take any book and claim this.
Hence it is BS.
Just point to few random numbers - and then say . . . I am sure there is a complex system here.
I have NOT come upon such ignorance.
Else what is the system? Do explain . . .
And evidence that Quran alludes to this?
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Peace pixelrow,
Get lost.
God bless you
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Wrong - "Welcome to my ignore list" is my next reply.
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pixelrow,
Wrong - You are now on my ignore list.
Welcome to my ignore list