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Is there any benefit from offering prayers for the dead?

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    Salam free- minders

    english is my second language so please excuse me for my poor writting skill . Few days back i came cross this article from the internet which totally change my thought over praying for the dead people . I am a regular vistor of this site as well as other sites such as submission.org and moslem.org . i am born and raised as sunni but struggle to become a strong believer of GOD Alone and Quran alone . since i am trying to follow Quran and trust no hadith sometimes i have to struggle to find a solution such is this one . Please express your opinion on this ..

    http//www.quran-islam.org/199.html

    Prayers for the Dead

    (A Quranic Perspective)

    In the Quran, God prohibits all believers from offering prayers for the disbelievers or idol worshippers regardless of whether they are dead or alive

    "Neither the prophet, nor those who believe shall ask forgiveness for the idol worshipers, even if they were their nearest of kin, once they realize that they are destined for Hell." 9113

    If they died as disbelievers or idol worshippers nothing and no prayer can change their fate

    "With regard to those who have deserved the retribution, can you save those who are already in Hell?" 3919

    This truth is known to all Quran readers and is not the subject of any dispute. The purpose of this research is to inquire into the legality and benefit (if there is any) in offering prayers to the believers. To arrive at a Quranic verdict with regards to this question we must first address two separate types of prayers

    1- Prayers for the believers who are still alive.

    2- Prayers for the believers who have died.

    FIRST Prayers for the believers who are still alive

    When we pray for a living parent, a relative or friend we usually implore God to cure them of an illness or assist them in adversity, etc. This kind of prayer implores God's Mercy on them while they still live. This prayer is encouraged in the Quran and is heard by God

    "And lower for them the wings of humility, and kindness, and say, "My Lord, have mercy on them, for they have raised me from infancy." 1724

    Some have interpreted this verse so as to make it permissible to offer prayers for our loved ones whether they are dead or still alive, however if we examine this verse and the one just before it we find good indication that God is inviting us to pray for our parents while they are still alive. Let us read verse 23

    " ......... you shall never say to them, "Uff" (the slightest gesture of annoyance), nor shall you shout at them; you shall treat them amicably." 1723

    The words "you shall treat them amicably"can only mean while they are still alive, it is not possible to treat a dead person amicably!

    After they are dead, they will get a Judgement in accordance to their work on earth and in accordance to God's Mercy, nothing we can do will change that.

    We also read that the angels offer prayers for those (living) on earth

    "The heavens above them almost shatter, out of reverence for Him, and the angels praise and glorify their Lord, and they ask forgiveness for those on earth. Absolutely, God is the Forgiver, Most Merciful." 425

    The significance of the words "for those on earth" will be apparent later.

    It must be emphasised here that prayers for the living believers is encouraged by God for a number of reasons

    1- Prayers for the living believers is not related to the Judgement they will receive from God on Judgement Day. This Judgement is exclusively reserved for the Almighty and we are told in the Quran that it is based primarily on each one's deeds and work on earth. Consequently, and since we are not imploring God to alter or change the judgement they receive on the Day of Judgement, thus this kind of prayer cannot be classed as a form of intercession.

    2- Prayers for the living believers (which as shown is not intercession), and imploring God in general, is a genuine expression of our worship of God. To implore God is to trust and accept His absolute authority to answer our prayers. The link between imploring God and worshipping Him is made evident in the following Quranic words

    "Your Lord says, ?Implore Me and I will respond to you. Surely those who are too arrogant to worship Me will enter Hell forcibly" 4060

    The words ?Implore Me? and ?Worship Me? in this verse confirm that ?Imploration? is indeed an essential expression of worship.

    "Should My servants ask you about Me, I am always near. I answer their prayers when they implore Me. Thus they should respond to Me and believe in me, so that they may be guided."2186

    SECOND Prayers for the believers who have died

    What about the prayers offered to the believers who have already died? Are we permitted to pray for them? Do our prayers make a difference in their Judgement on the Day of Judgement? The aim here is to analyse this claim and try to establish whether there is any benefit in offering prayers for the believers after their death.

    Prayer for the dead is a form of intercession

    As mentioned earlier, when we pray for a living relative or friend (believer) we usually implore God to cure them of an illness or assist them in adversity, etc. This kind of prayer implores God's Mercy on them while they still live. We have seen how this prayer is encouraged in the Quran and is heard by God.

    Prayer for a loved one, who we believe to have died as a believer, is categorically different, for here we are not imploring God to cure them of their illness or assist them in adversity, but we are actually imploring God to alter or amend His Judgement and to forgive their sins on the Day of Judgement. Any plea imploring God to amend, alter or improve the judgement He decrees on a person on the Day of Judgement is defined as an attempt to intercede for them. What this means in reality is that we are interceding with God to issue them a more favourable judgement! Ultimately, this raises the question of how can God be implored to excercise more mercy when He is the Most Merciful and when He decreed that Mercy is His attribute?

    "Say, "To whom belongs everything in the heavens and the earth?" Say, "To God." He has decreed that MERCY IS HIS ATTRIBUTE." 612

    The concept of intercession is categorically refused in the Quran

    "O you who believe, you shall give to charity from the provisions we have given to you, before a day comes where there is no trade, no nepotism, and NO INTERCESSION. The disbelievers are the unjust." 2254

    On Judgement Day any intercession is useless unless it coincides with God's Will

    "Intercession with Him will be in vain, unless it coincides with His will." 3423

    "It is not up to you; He may redeem them, or He may punish them for their transgressions." 3128

    Moreover, many verses in the Quran make it very clear that on Judgement Day, and in accordance with God's Absolute Justice, no person shall be credited for anything other than his/her OWN WORK, equally that no soul would carry the burden of another

    "No soul benefits except from its own works, and none bears the burden of another." 6164

    "Every human being is credited only to what he/she (personally) done." 5339

    What this means is that on Judgement Day no soul will benefit except from what it has achieved persnally, all our prayers to someone will not benefit them in their judgement. It also means that many practices practiced by many Muslims today for their dead parents or next of kin are utterly useless. It is utterly useless to do Hajj on behalf of our dead parent, they shall not get the credit of it since they have not done it themselves. The same applies to fasting on behalf of someone dead or giving zakat on their behalf. All this is useless. They will not benefit nor their records credited for anything we do on their behalf. Hajj, Fasting, zakat ... etc, all these are acts of worship and God does not accept us to worship Him on behalf of others. Worshipping God is not accepted by deputisation!

    Sura 82

    1. "What a day; the Day of Judgment!

    2. That is the day when NO SOUL CAN HELP ANOTHER SOUL, and all decisions, on that day, will belong to God."

    The moment the human being dies his/her record is sealed and nothing can change it one way or another. Sadly many Muslims reject these Quranic truths and prefer to believe corrupt hadith that advocate what is contrary to Quranic teachings!

    God's Infinite Mercy

    When we analyse this issue even closer we note that to pray for a dead person, even if they were good sincere believers, is inderectly in rejection of Quranic truth. Let us look at the following verse

    "Proclaim "O My servants who exceeded the limits, never despair of God's mercy. For GOD FORGIVES ALL SINS. He is the Forgiver, Most Merciful." 3953

    "God does not forgive idolatry, but He forgives lesser offenses for whomever He wills." 448

    By virtue of these two verses and other Quranic verses, we are given a glimpse of God's Infinite Mercy. God would actually forgive all the sins of believers as long as they avoid idol worship.

    If we still pray that God would forgive the sins of dead believers, are we not guilty of questioning the promise of God in 3953?

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    Commentary on some related verses

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    FIRST The significance of 1441

    Some have quoted 1441 to indicate that we are invited in the Quran to pray for our parents and implore God to have mercy on them on Judgement Day. Well let us read this verse

    "Our Lord! Forgive me and my parents and believers on the day when the account is cast." 1441

    Immediately, we note a very important difference between 1724 and 1441. In 1724, the prayer for the parents (in their lifetime) is given to us by God. However, in 1441 the prayer we read is NOT given by God, it was a prayer spoken by Abraham.

    Many would quickly say, "well, this is good enough for me, if this prayer was spoken by God's own prophet Abraham then it is something we should follow".

    However, if we resist this impetuous route and in stead seek guidance from the Quran, we would note the following

    a- This is a personal prayer spoken by Abraham, it cannot be constituted as a law which we should follow.

    b- We are told later that Abraham was not to pray for his father who was an idol worshipper. This indicates that this prayer offered by Abraham (for his parents) could not have been authorised by God. We learn later that this prayer of Abraham was not accepted by God. We read that Abraham's prayer was unrighteous in 9114!

    c- Just because a prayer was offered by a messenger does not mean that we should follow it or that it is righteous. In 1174 we are told how Abraham attempted to offer a plea/prayer for the people of Lot, which was rejected by God (1176). Similarly, the prayers of Noah for his son (1146) and of Muhammad for his uncle (1111-3) were also rejected by God.

    d- If we examine 1441 one more time, we would be able to see how it stands in disharmony with other Quranic words

    "Our Lord! Forgive me and my parents and believers on the day when the account is cast." 1441

    Now let us meditate on these words in the light of the following words of God

    "Intercession with Him will be in vain, unless it coincides with His will." 3423

    These words are quite conclusive in asserting that on that Day, nothing will have any weight towards our Judgement except the will of God. We also know that God's Judgement is based purely on our OWN deeds and our own belief and not on how devoutly others have prayed for us.

    SECOND The significance of 984

    Before we analyse this verse a word has to be mentioned about one of the rituals practiced in Islamic countries today when a Muslim dies. Shortly before the burial proceedings, the dead person is taken in his/her coffin inside a masjid and a salat is observed in prayer for that person. Some have interpreted the words in 984 to be related to this ritual which is known as 'Salat Al-Ganazah' (Funeral Prayer). However, with the guidance of the Quran, it can be shown that this is a misinterpretation.

    To start with, we are told in 7218 that the masjid is for one purpose, and that is to worship God. The masjid is not for taking coffins of dead people inside and offering Salat for them.

    Moreover, we are told in 6162 that the salat (as all other rituals) should be observed for the name of God and nothing else. To set up a salat in response to the death of a human being is in violation of 6162.

    The proponents of this un-Quranic Salat will argue that it is not a salat in the traditional sense since it has no bowing nor prostration and is much shorter. This excuse is not acceptable simply because it is not the form that validates a ritual or invalidates it, it is the heart of the ritual and who it is dedicated for. Since this salat is done purely in dedication to the dead person then it is unlawful whatever form it may have.

    Now let us ponder on the words in 984

    "And 'la tussallee ala ahadan minhum' (do not support any of them) when he dies, nor shall you stand at their grave. They have disbelieved in God and His messenger, and died in a state of wickedness." 984

    The key words in this verse with regards to our research are 'la tussallee ala ahadan minhum'. These words have been used in the Quran in a number of verses. They do NOT mean "do not pray for them" (as some have interpreted) . Neither do they refer to (as others have interpreted) the widely practiced 'Funeral Salat'. When we consult a number of verses where these same words are used ( 3343, 9103, 3356) we realise that these words simply means "do not support them". Let us consider these verses

    "He (God) is the One who 'Yussallee alaykum' (supports you), together with His angels, to lead you out of darkness into the light. He is Most Merciful towards the believers." 3343

    It is clear here that God does not conduct a Salat for the believers!

    "Take from their money (O messenger) a charity to purify them and sanctify them. And 'Sallee alyhum' (support them), for your support reassures them. God is Hearer, Omniscient." 9103

    Once again, it is clear that the messenger is not to conduct a Salat dedicated to the believers!

    "God and His angels 'Yussalloon ala al-nabi' (support the prophet). O you who believe, you shall 'Salloo alayhee' (support him), and recognise and accept him (as God's messenger)." 3356

    Once again it is clear that neither God nor the angels conduct a salat for the prophet, nor are the believers required to do so.

    Consequently, it can be established that the prohibition in 984, which is related to the words 'la tussallee ala ahadan minhum' is a prohibition from supporting any dead disbeliever. The obvious question is how can we support a dead person in the first place? Support can be expressed in any of the following taking part in the funeral, taking part in the burial, contributing to the cost of the funeral or later memorials ..... etc.

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    CONCLUSION

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    1- Do we not trust in God's Mercy

    "None despairs of his Lord's Mercy, except the strayers." 1556

    2- Can we (by praying) prompt God to excercise more mercy on our beloved ones when God's Mercy is infinite?

    "Say, "To whom belongs everything in the heavens and the earth?" Say, "To GOD." He has decreed that MERCY IS HIS ATTRIBUTE." 612

    3- Since God forgives all sins for the believers (3953), what exactly would we be praying for when we pray for a dead believer? Do we not believe 3953?

    "Proclaim "O My servants who exceeded the limits, never despair of God's mercy. For GOD FORGIVES ALL SINS. He is the Forgiver, Most Merciful." 3953

    4- Can we ignore the truth of 5319 and 6164 and insist that our loved one's will benefit from our prayers?

    "Every human being is credited only to what he/she (personally) done." 5339

    "No soul benefits except from its own works, and none bears the burden of another." 6164

    5- Is it ok to intercede on behalf of our loved ones who died and are awaiting Judgement when the Quran states that there will be no intercession on Judgement Day?

    "O you who believe, you shall give to charity from the provisions we have given to you, before a day comes where there is no trade, no nepotism, and NO INTERCESSION. The disbelievers are the unjust." 2254

    6- Strong belief in the Quran and its teachings leads all believers to accept without any doubt that as a result of God's Infinite Mercy, all believers will be utlimately pardoned, not because you or I prayed for them, but because of God's Infinite Mercy.

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      Guest,

      What do you mean by God's infinifte Mercy? No hell? Is it Quran?

      drfazl

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        Salam drfazl,

        Well..my question was whether or not we should pray for the dead? Please stick to the point.
        From (reading) Quran I like to believe that God possesses infinite mercy .God will forgive whomever he wills and requite whomever He wills. I don?t question God?s infinite mercy on us.

        God Overlook many sins ? sign of God?s infinite mercy

        If GOD punished the people for their sins, He would not leave a single creature on earth. But He respites them for a predetermined interim. Once their interim is fulfilled, then GOD is Seer of His servants.
        Anything bad that happens to you is a consequence of your own deeds, and He overlooks many (of your sins).
        You can never escape, and you have none beside GOD as a Lord and Master.
        Among His proofs are the ships that sail the sea with sails like flags.
        If He willed, He could have stilled the winds, leaving them motionless on top of the water. These are proofs for those who are steadfast, appreciative.
        He can annihilate them, as a consequence of their own works. Instead, He overlooks many (of their sins).
        Those who argue against our proofs will find out that they have no basis.
        Whatever you are given is no more than temporary material of this life. What GOD possesses is far better and everlasting, for those who believe and trust in their Lord.
        We have to ask forgiveness for our sins before we DIE

        Repentance is acceptable by GOD from those who fall in sin out of ignorance, then repent immediately thereafter. GOD redeems them. GOD is Omniscient, Most Wise.

        Not acceptable is the repentance of those who commit sins until death comes to them, then say, "Now I repent." Nor is it acceptable from those who die as disbelievers. For these, we have prepared a painful retribution.

        O you who believe, if you reverence GOD, He will enlighten you, remit your sins, and forgive you. GOD possesses infinite grace.

        If they disbelieve you, then say, "Your Lord possesses infinite mercy, but His retribution is unavoidable for the guilty people."

        . He specifies His mercy for whomever He wills; GOD possesses unlimited grace

        Your Lord is the Rich One; possessor of all mercy. If He wills, He can remove you, and substitute whomever He wills in your place, just as He produced you from the progeny of other people

        Unforgivable sin
        GOD does not forgive idolatry, but He forgives lesser offenses for whomever He wills. Anyone who sets up idols beside GOD, has forged a horrendous offense.

        We have to OBEY GOD AND OBEY MESSENGER before we DIE otherwise it will be too late

        Proclaim "O My servants who exceeded the limits, never despair of GOD's mercy. For GOD forgives all sins. He is the Forgiver, Most Merciful."
        You shall obey your Lord, and submit to Him totally, before the retribution overtakes you; then you cannot be helped.
        "No soul benefits except from its own works, and none bears the burden of another." 6164

        Peace
        ASM

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          Salam drfazl,

          Well..my question was whether or not we should pray for the dead? Please stick to the point.
          From (reading) Quran I like to believe that God possesses infinite mercy .God will forgive whomever he wills and requite whomever He wills. I dont question Gods infinite mercy on us.

          God Overlook many sins sign of Gods infinite mercy

          When I asked about the infinite Mercy, you ask me to stick to the point prayer for the dead
          But you write at length about the infinite Mercy in your post. See above.

          Anyways prayer for the dead is against Quran.

          dr fazl

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