Iram - The Lost City in the Quran and Ebla tablets
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peace
Before we start I wanna show you verses from Quran where lost city of Iram was mentioned. Note, this city is mentioned only in the Quran and can't be found in older scriptures like Torah and New Testament.
Quran 896-8
Have you not considered how your Lord dealt with 'Aad -
Iram - who had lofty pillars,
The likes of whom had never been created in the land?According to the wikipedia, the Ebla tablets are a collection of as many as 1800 complete clay tablets, 4700 fragments and many thousand minor chips found in the palace archives of the ancient city of Ebla, Syria. The tablets were discovered by Italian archaeologist Paolo Matthiae and his team in 1974?75 during their excavations at the ancient city of Tell Mardikh. The tablets, which were found in situ on collapsed shelves, retained many of their contemporary clay tags to help reference them. They all date to the period between ca. 2500 BC and the destruction of the city ca. 2250 BC. Today, the tablets are being held in the Syrian museums of Aleppo, Damascus, and Idlib. (http//en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ebla_tablets)
http//upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/f0/Ebla_clay_tablet.jpgIn those tablets we found the city with name "Iram". This city was not mentioned in any other scripture or writing except Quran so anyone who says that Muhammad was author of the Quran is very ignorant and in my opinion this is just another proof of divinity of the Quran.
There are also other personal names mentioned including Ab-ra-mu (Abraham), E-sa-um
(Esau), and Sa-u-Ium (Saul), Ishamel (Ish-ma-il) etc... and btw story of Sodom and Gomorrah.Even National Geographic mentioned Quran in December 1978. check this --> http//www.examinethetruth.com/National_Geographics_Dec_1978.pdf
Biblical scientiest use those tablets to "prove" their scripture but there is no city of Iram in the Bible so they just ignore this. This is not just proof that Quran is divine Book but slap in the face to all who reject our Scripture.
What you think about this?
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Peace Sonny
You gave some important resources to us.
First I'm not a historian, so I cannot speak about it from historical sciencesBut I will give you a site from my place
http//arif-worldscience.blogspot.com/2010/03/adakah-kota-ad-dan-iram-sebenarnya.html
Google translate it if you don't know the language.Beside that I demand apologize to you if I posting something which strike you in homosexual thread days ago.
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Peace Sonny,
I've come across the Ebla tablets before but haven't really looked into it in any greater detail, although it is intruiging if it mentions the city of Iram. I will look into this topic more in future, insha'Allah. What's also interesting is the way Bible scholars would actually use this to say how the Bible is accurate (of course there is truth in the Bible as well, but also distortion) but ignore the part about Iram in the Quran... Is it really just scholars who come from religious backgrounds who may do this though? Or do those who lack a religious background also miss out on essential parts of the story because they 'fit the pieces of the puzzle' still in their own human way, missing out on other parts simply because they aren't ever interested in verifying the validity of scripture in the way a scholar from a religious background would?
Sometimes when I have seen atheists discuss Islam - from an intellectual point of view -, they ignore some things e.g. verses in the Quran and I haven't come across them say well this is actually a verse that challenges what we think about e.g. the Earth being so called flat in the Quran (when its not) - like I saw one atheist comment that the Quran says the sun and moon do not meet, so this means its still wrong if it believes the world is flat. But they didn't say, it could mean that the Quran is referring to a spherical Earth and that the Sun and Moon do not meet for other reasons because its showing its not what meets the eye i.e. its not like what we can see standing on Earth. I could say more but I don't want to take this too off topic.
I guess my point is that among some non-Muslims there can be genuine enquiry and then there are some who ignore plenty of things within the Quran that challenge their preconceived notions of so called sexism in the Quran, the concept of Divine Mercy but the necessary warning of punishment etc. Didn't mean to take this off topic, just some things that came to mind.
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Interesting
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Peace,
It is the clownish portrayal by those in traditional islam who turn people away from this religion. People just see people who practice a religion stuck in the 7th century with many strange rituals and regulations and which "permits" polygamy and execution of those who do not believe in it or leaves islam or commits adultery etc etc. It is not strange people have a critical approach to our beloved Quran and God's religion and say in their minds "the people of that religion are crazy, that is the last religion I want to embrace".
The problem is not really the Quran. Most people lack knowledge of it. They just see the practitioners who act more like lunatics than sensible but reverent believers. And they know (with certain right) that this "religion" is running havoc in the world as it is. Does not matter what the Truth is when the kufrs are hiding behind it, painting it black. Yes, you can be as blunt as to say they are the kufr if you literally use the definition for the word kufr, sorry to say, because they hide the Truth funnily in these modern times.
Edit I am sorry if someone is offended by what I wrote. I was thinking whether or not I should remove it, but I decided to let it be. It is inevitable that what I said is true and I did not really lie. The Truth will prevail and falsehood vanish.
God bless you
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Peace Man of Faith,
Is this directed at anyone in particular because your post doesn't even mention Iram or the tablets? If it is, why not simply address the person and if you do it politely there's no problem. Your post appears to touch on some of the things I mentioned in my post.
Some of those who are critical of the Quran have also studied the Quran and talk about it in depth, and some atheists create online shows dedicated to disseminating knowledge that shows how the Quran is "flawed". Some Christians/or any other religion dedicate their time and create websites that rank highly in searches that constantly dispute the Quran - not just traditional Islam.
People in these instance often know about Quran only Islam but they still reject it. They may say its not possible or that its just a modern Western way to deal with the things in hadith etc. We can't white wash everyone. Some of them do read the Quran and they don't believe in it not just because of traditional Islam but because of many other things. There were people in the time of the Prophet who had the Quran with no hadith - did they all come rushing? No, not really. Were they all somehow competely different to people in the modern day in terms of their willingness to accept/reject, no I don't think so. There are differences in all groups.
I know you will say you weren't white washing - but I'm not saying you are, it's just there is nuance here and I'd like to mention it.
I am not defending traditional Islam/Sunni Islam/Shia Islam and the problems with traditional Islam are many - it can create problems with those who initially study the Quran. It can be frustrating - but I imagine for some of those on this forum - who take a different view on Ramadan but get a constant "no no no", can feel that the element of "one way for all" found in traditional Islam is present even here sometimes. I would say that's down to human nature more than anything else.
But anyone who studies the Quran deeper, which those who reject easily and often do, can also look beyond traditional Islam and can explore Quran only perspectives as well.
Because at the end of the day the way each person behaves is not so much about traditional Islam or Christianity or Atheism, its about their own nature and their willingness to connect with their Creator, leave behind any preconceived notions and accept whatever their Creator guides them towards and what they are given. This nuance with labels or perceptions with other people I believe is strongly and constantly mentioned in the Quran.
May Allah swt bless you
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Salaam to all
please check this http//unchartedruins.blogspot.pt/2012/08/irem-of-thousand-columns.html ; also read brother pazuzu posts if you have some time. check on web just put iram of the pillars. and take some time watching yemen names of tribes, cities,etc.. and VOIL?... truth comes in front of youre eyes..
Salaam from AlgharbAlandalus
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Salaam to all
please check this http//unchartedruins.blogspot.pt/2012/08/irem-of-thousand-columns.html ; also read brother pazuzu posts if you have some time. check on web just put iram of the pillars. and take some time watching yemen names of tribes, cities,etc.. and VOIL?... truth comes in front of youre eyes..
Salaam from AlgharbAlandalus
peace
Thx for the link, that was interesting article.
More I learn and research our history more I know that things we learn in school are false. Civilization was much older and much more advanced than we think. Truth is stanger than fiction indeed. -
Peace supportpeacenotwar,
No worries sister. The post was directed as a general reply to Sonny's statement that now people should believe in the Quran. The problem is not really the Quran but the clownish representation by the ones who are in the extra-invented religion islam which the Quran is blasphemously attributed to. The Quran belongs to all religions or no religions at all since they are all invented. God's system which is the islamic way of living is the only sunnah or system to follow.
It was practically this what I meant in my post and I can agree I seemed slightly offensive, but I got this impulse.
God bless you